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Sign of the Lap Times: San Diego

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 | 10:45 AM

Take a deep dive inside the lap charts with this week's Sign of the Lap Times.

 

 

 

 

 

450SX Class

Lap Rank Finish Best Lap In Lap Avg Lap Time Rider
1 5 46.777 5 47.871 Chad Reed
2 2 46.819 3 47.726 Justin Barcia
3 6 46.841 13 48.553 Ryan Villopoto
4 1 47.124 5 47.781 Davi Millsaps
5 4 47.261 11 48.367 James Stewart
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3 47.314 13 48.121 Ryan Dungey
7 8 47.603 11 48.444 Trey Canard
8
7 47.608 8 48.674 Justin Brayton
9 9 48.069 8 49.277 Andrew Short
10 13 48.111 4 49.521 Matt Lemoine
11 10 48.328 9 49.514 Mike Alessi
12 12 48.430 4 49.371 Matt Goerke
13 14 48.477 4 49.563 Weston Peick
14 11 48.618 7 49.976 Broc Tickle
15 17 49.061 7 51.280 Chris Blose
16 15 49.189 9 50.661 PJ Larsen
17 16 49.370 7 50.646 Robert Kiniry
18 18 49.906 6 51.430 Josh Hill
19 20 50.363 10 52.280 Kyle Partridge
20 19 50.565 4 51.490 Ben LaMay

450SX

- For the first time in 2013, TwoTwo Motorsports Chad Reed set the fastest lap of the night with a 46.777 on lap 5.

- The latest fastest lap of the night belonged to Monster Energy Kawasaki’s Ryan Villopoto and Red Bull KTM’s Ryan Dungey, who both set their fastest laps on lap 13. RV’s 46.841 bested Dungey’s 47.314.

- Rockstar Energy Racing’s Davi Millsaps was the most consistent rider of the night—setting all his laps under 49-seconds. Millsaps was the only 450 rider to achieve the feat.

- While San Diego is one of the bigger stadiums raced in all year, the short, quick, track gave way to the fastest times of the season. Only six of twenty riders posted an average time over 50-seconds.

- Muscle Milk Honda’s Justin Barcia was the only rider in the field to post three laps under 47-seconds. The only other 450 riders to post a lap(s) under 47-seconds were Ryan Villopoto (2) and Chad Reed (1).

- Chad Reed got off to a blistering start in San Diego, setting 10 of his first 11 laps under 48-seconds. But that mark was bested by eventual race winner Davi Millsaps, who began the race with 11 consecutive laps under 48-seconds.

 

Comparison

Davi Millsaps vs. Chad Reed vs. Justin Barcia – Laps 2-9

Rockstar Energy Racing’s Davi Millsaps controlled the race early in San Diego. But for the better part of the first nine laps, everything looked to be in place for Chad Reed to challenge for his record seventh win in San Diego. As we all know, Reed would wash the front end at the mid-way point and finish fifth. Let’s dig into the first eight laps—there are a few surprises on the horizon.


Lap Davi Millsaps Chad Reed Justin Barcia
2 47.38 47.58 48.36
3 47.467 47.206 46.819
4 47.359 47.163 46.974
5 47.124 46.777 47.005
6 47.796 47.098 46.932
7 47.143 47.47 47.12
8 47.718 47.128 46.918
9 47.564 47.977 47.903
Avg 47.443 47.299 47.253

As you can see, it was actually Justin Barcia that was the fastest rider during the first eight laps—helped in part by throwing down three of four laps (laps 3-6) in the 46-second range. Reed proved to be just a few tenths off Barcia’s pace, with Millsaps not very far behind.

Davi Millsaps vs. Justin Barcia – Laps 9-20

So we know Barcia was setting the hot laps early, but who was consistent down the stretch?


Lap Davi Millsaps Justin Barcia
10 47.669 47.807
11 47.779 47.3
12 47.99 47.388
13 48.18 48.085
14 48.258 47.956
15 47.369 48.295
16 47.922 47.851
17 48.141 47.947
18 48.309 48.283
19 48.528 48.618
20 48.157 49.236
Avg 48.027 48.069

Mr. Consistency so far in 2013, Millsaps was about to feel some heat from Barcia, but logged five of seven laps (laps 10-16) under 58-seconds to prevent the young gun from making up any time on him down the stretch. Millsaps had enough of a lead to where the race was pretty much decided by the time the white flag came out, and Barcia ran a 49.236 (his slowest lap of the night) on lap 20.

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Chad Reed set the fastest lap in 450SX en route to a fifth in San Diego.
Simon Cudby photo

250SX Class

Lap Rank Finish Best Lap In Lap Avg Lap Time Rider
1 1 46.322 6 47.898 Eli Tomac
2 2 47.031 15 47.842 Ken Roczen
3 9 47.939 6 48.965 Martin Davalos
4 3 48.021 3 49.103 Jason Anderson
5
20 48.025 4 48.506 Malcolm Stewart
6 7 48.055 11 49.442 Zach Osborne
7
5 48.095 13 48.844 Kyle Cunningham
8 15 48.147 6 49.196 Cole Seely
9 4 48.290 8 49.105 Austin Politelli
10 11 48.304 9 49.333 Joey Savatgy
11 8 48.581 5 49.541 Tyla Rattray
12 10 48.700 3 49.506 Jessy Nelson
13 6 48.715 11 49.375 Travis Baker
14 13 48.819 3 49.671 Christian Craig
15 12 49.742 10 50.606 Josh Cachia
16 19 50.006 3 53.575 Chris Plouffe
17 14 50.065 12 51.081 Jean Ramos
18 16 50.404 6 52.756 Aaron Siminoe
19 18 50.986 5 53.440 Travis Bright
20 17 51.685 5 53.380 Chad Gores

250SX

- For the first time since Anaheim 2, GEICO Honda’s Eli Tomac returned to the top of the lap charts in 250SX with a 46.332. Tomac’s 46.322 would prove to be the fastest lap set all night (450/250 combined)—the second time this season Tomac has achieved the feat.

- Red Bull KTM’s Ken Roczen would set the latest fastest lap of the night with a 47.031 (second fastest in 250SX) on the final lap! It marked the latest fastest lap set all season in 250SX.

- Eli Tomac was the only 250 rider with a lap time under 47-seconds.

- Ken Roczen was the only 250 rider to set all of his laps under the 49-second mark.

-  J-Star JDR KTM’s Malcolm Stewart set 7 of his first 9 laps under 49-seconds before crashing in the whoops, resulting in a DNF.

- What a night for Star Racing Yamaha’s Kyle Cunningham. After a heat race win, Cunningham began the main dead last after a first turn crash, only to charge back to fifth—helped by a stretch (laps 3-13) where he set 10 of 11 laps under 49-seconds.

- After back-to-back career-highs of eighth in Oakland and Anaheim 3, respectively,  HRT Honda’s Austin Politelli went even faster in San Diego and eclipsed his previous best of eight with a fourth. His quick start to the race—first 8 of 9 laps under 49-seconds—was a key factor.

- Interesting Stat: The racing in the 250 class was tight in San Diego. But it was also quick. Fourteen of twenty riders set their fastest lap of the night under 49-seconds.

- Only five of twenty riders had an average of 50-seconds, which was better than the six in 450SX.

 

Comparison:

Eli Tomac vs. Ken Roczen vs. Jason Anderson – Laps 2-7

It was a special night for Rockstar Energy Racing. Davi Millsaps picked up his second win of the season and retained the points lead for another week, while Jason Anderson was able to secure his second 250SX podium of the year earlier in the night. But it could have been a night of epic proportions if Anderson, who had the early lead, could have broken through and made it a clean sweep for Rockstar Energy Racing. Let’s take a look at the opening six laps to see where Anderson lost time to Roczen and Tomac.


Lap Eli Tomac Ken Roczen Jason Anderson
2 47.803 47.677 48.185
3 48.449 48.333 48.021
4 47.492 48.322 48.054
5 48.034 47.89 49.096
6 46.322 48.351 48.645
7 46.869 47.989 48.066
Avg 47.494 48.093 48.344

Eli Tomac was on another planet in the opening laps—setting four of six laps under 48-seconds, including back-to-back laps in the 46-second range. Jason Anderson tried to hold serve, but the top two players in the class (Tomac and Roczen) were on a completely different pace.

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Eli Tomac set the fastest lap of the night in San Diego.
Simon Cudby photo

Eli Tomac vs. Ken Roczen – Laps 8-15

Although Eli Tomac was able to bounce back from two disappointing finishes in Oakland and A3, respectively, a lot was made of Roczen’s closing speed down the stretch—cutting Tomac’s big lead to mere tenths by the end of the race.

Lap Eli Tomac Ken Roczen
8 47.659 47.642
9 47.837 48.188
10 48.593 47.905
11 48.345 48.219
12 47.732 47.561
13 48.147 47.283
14 48.012 47.406
15 49.283 47.031
Avg 48.201 47.654
The chart says it all. Roczen was flying on the final four laps. The German set all of his laps under 48-seconds and set his fastest lap of the night (47.031) on the final lap, picking up a little over two seconds on Tomac, who was dealing with lapped traffic.

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dinosaurmedia wrote: 10:49am February 12, 2013

This will fuel some debate I am sure. Um' heres something undebatable...the order in which the riders cross the checkered flag - bench racing session over.

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biker143 wrote: 10:53am February 12, 2013

I felt so bad for Reed when he slid out ... That was his night to win and he sure looked like he was going to make it happen.

Go 22 !

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BillC wrote: 10:53am February 12, 2013

More proof of how you need a holeshot on a crappy track!! LOL

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dinosaurmedia wrote: 11:09am February 12, 2013

Track was crappy for everyone - next.

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dinosaurmedia wrote: 11:14am February 12, 2013

I race every weekend either MTB, Road Racing (cycling), or occaisional MX (during the season) and the one thing intolerable to me is the dudes whining about the track...its not as if it had snake pits or molten lava flowing across the track or ninjas jumping out trying to hit you with nun-chucks...smh...

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lm42mx wrote: 11:15am February 12, 2013

The lap times, esp the 450's really illustrate what a POS the track was. And @dinosaurmedia, while I agree everyone rode the same track this isn't the NHRA. If a start is all that is going to matter then we should get new track builders and designers. Generally I think they do a good job. But one thing missing always, is building in one or two trickier obstacles that will better seperate the top guys

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foundwood wrote: 11:17am February 12, 2013

dinosaurmedia: Truth, son. Good posts.

Cunningham started last and finished fifth. He must have not cared about running the "one line" that everybody else was taking around the track.

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MX100 wrote: 11:18am February 12, 2013

With these lap times the last 5 years, Im completely surprised that they haven't made these main events 20 min plus 2 laps, I went to Indy last year and the main was like 17 min, what a rip off. Plus it will give riders a chance to make up for the bad starts. These guys run 2 35 min. motos outdoors, why can't they at least run a 22 min. main event in SX.

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MX100 wrote: 11:21am February 12, 2013

I also think the track was lame, I think they should have a stadium length whoop section, and DEEP WHOOPS, at every round, they have to create passing some where, everyone is hugging the bales around every corner, they rarely go up on the berms anymore.

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dinosaurmedia wrote: 11:24am February 12, 2013

I agree MX100 - have you ever been to a top level RC Car race? They run triple a-mains.

Qualifying is done the days befor the mains. In SX this could be Friday or Saturday morning - giving riders time to rest.

The format is the 50 points for the win, 49 for second 48 for third and so on...

If you win the first two mains you score 100 points - and automatically win the event and sit out the third main. This allows another driver a chance at a main win. The points are always very tight and the end of the races/series and the best thing about this format is that you throw away your worst score from the three mains.

There could be three ten minute plus 1 lap mains similar to the MEC for both the 250 and 450 classes. More races for the fans but still not an overload for the riders and they can throw away a score incase a dnf or crappy start.

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dinosaurmedia wrote: 11:30am February 12, 2013

I understand what guys are saying about one line and all as well though - hopefully the East will rut up, have many lines and Millsaps still wins! That'll ruffle a few feathers - and no< I am not on the Millsaps bandwagon, but it is very cool to literally see a leopard shed it's spots - well done to him.

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Misoheye wrote: 11:40am February 12, 2013

I wasn't there so I don't know for sure, I think the problem was with the dirt not the design. They put lots of road base (pebbles/gravel) in the dirt to help it drain. The gravel comes to the top and presto no traction!

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MX100 wrote: 11:42am February 12, 2013

The only thing with more then one main event, If you get a situation like Justin Barcia smashes his face in race one, sits the rest of the night out, his season is OVER. Even though he has 2 DNF, he's still 6th in points, so I think a longer main is the way to go, and trying to get riders to qualify on friday or ride another day is like pulling teeth, these guys want it all in the one day and get outa dodge, and back to there homes to train, just see outdoor nationals, how they did away with 2 day events.

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KilloMoto wrote: 11:49am February 12, 2013

Reed set the quickest lap and was the quickest to fall....

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rickamatuzio wrote: 11:49am February 12, 2013

You mean you want a whoop section like this??

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xIK6o3e0RyI

Amazing

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KilloMoto wrote: 11:51am February 12, 2013

In the sarcastic words of all the Stewart dislikers....wait for it.....

" well, he set the fastest lap - so it must be the bike ".....

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Misoheye wrote: 11:51am February 12, 2013

If SX is going to continue to be all about starts, maybe points should be given for fastest qualifier and heat race winners. I'm only talking like one point. Maybe heats, semi's and lcq again?

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MX100 wrote: 11:53am February 12, 2013

Yeah what is with these little (9 whoop) whoop section that they jump in 2 hops or the one hop, this is a joke, the tracks need a long section of whoops (12 and up) 3 feet deep, this will slow them down and seperate the men from the boyz. Im not a Reed fan, but he'd clean house with deep whoops

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GreenBikeGone wrote: 11:53am February 12, 2013

More laps, more track time, more injuries. It is a rare season when all the top guys are standing at the end.

20 laps is plenty.

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dinosaurmedia wrote: 11:54am February 12, 2013

Also maybe the simple tracks are keeping guys safer? Maybe?

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MustardDog wrote: 11:55am February 12, 2013

Longer lap times are great, its called Motocross

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KilloMoto wrote: 11:57am February 12, 2013

Good starts are always beneficial.....I'll have to check the lap sheets from AMA, but Stewart Dungey and RV had to pass at least 5 guys each before they reached a somewhat open track....then it was pretty much follow the leader....take a chance on a different line and hope you dont get passed doing so.......

Stewarts pass on Tickle and Dungey at the same time was pretty sweet

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MX100 wrote: 12:09pm February 12, 2013

Yeah well I see nothing wrong with at least 20 min main event, this 15 min main event stuff is a rip off to the fans and the good riders trying to come from the back, 22 min main is no where near 2 35 min outdoor motos. These guys are in top shape they would be fine.

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racepaintusa wrote: 12:24pm February 12, 2013

The real truth of short laptimes/racing is this......The down time gives sponsors more time to try to sell you their SH!T. The show is run by the sponsor $$$. This is why I do not go to SX anymore. Its a 3 hour commercial with 48 minutes of actual track time.

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JimboMX374 wrote: 12:48pm February 12, 2013

Roczen was down almost 5 seconds on lap 9

8 4.559
9 4.91
10 4.221
11 4.095
12 3.925
13 3.061
14 2.454
15 .202

Alright Chase...UNCLE ! I cant maintain column seperation with word or excel.
Tried smaller font size...no go. What is the secret ?


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CZmark wrote: 1:38pm February 12, 2013

I think MustardDog is on to something! Maybe even take it outdoors. The races are just to short. Some of these look like they are finally getting into their groove and its over. I like the 20 minutes plus 2 laps.

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rickamatuzio wrote: 1:42pm February 12, 2013

Exactly what I said a few weeks ago. Award points for Heat races, and more points for the main. Let the last place LCQ finisher get 1st gate pick, and both Heat Winners get last gate pick.

Starts would no longer be the primary issue, it would come down to performing good throughout the evening everywhere, including passing.

As it stands now, the rider who gets the most holeshot a generally wins the championship. Not necessarily, but also not fair.

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rickamatuzio wrote: 1:49pm February 12, 2013

For example, Villipoto wins heat 1 he gets last gate pick for the main. (He was awarded 15pts for winning the heat). In the main, it's an amazing race to watch as RV dices his way up to 5th from a bad start. He earns another 20 pts and gets 35 for the evening.

MILLSAPS got 6th in the heat, got 5 points, then holeshot the main and won getting 30 points for winning. MILLSAPS gets 35points as well.

Villipoto did twice as much work for the night, while MILLSAPS benefits from a great start and an easy ride. Therefore Villipoto gets awarded a little better and it comes out even.

Now this is how Snowcross works currently. It's not perfect, but I'm sure if the AMA hired Obama or some democrat to think about this, they could figure out a way to be socialist and spread the points evenly more so starts don't mean everything. Plus Villipotos self esteem won't get hurt as much.

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BillC wrote: 2:06pm February 12, 2013

rickamatuzio yes SnowCross has done it that way forever. Just don't get oBama involved, You will have to pay a % of your winning's if you are better then the other guys.

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therealmofo wrote: 2:17pm February 12, 2013

@Rick--you really need to get a life, you and BillC both--your guy lost get over it..Your guy couldnt even win his home state..Michigan or were he served as Gov. of Mass... that is telling.. Its over move on..

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rickamatuzio wrote: 2:38pm February 12, 2013

I don't have to get over it. It's my individual right to hang on forever and ever if I choose!!
I can't wait to see how he handles North Korea. I wonder if he will go over and apologize again.

And don't call Romney my guy!! I thought that was a mistake from he get-go. I was all about Donald Trump. You have me all wrong mofo, you think I am a die hard right winger. I'm pretty neutral, in fact, by today's standards JFK would be republican. The only thing I care about, mostly, is stopping the EPA from basically governing, preventing, and taxing ourselves our of industry while every other country is living large and of giving a hoot.
(Obama won for one simple reason by the way, the medias left bias which was able to reach deep into the uneducated Americans in this Country that had no idea WHAT they were voting for, Except a black man the promised change!! Change you can believe in)

Good response Billc, I got a great laugh from that.

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rickamatuzio wrote: 2:45pm February 12, 2013

As Nikola says, "another strange turn of events here on racer x!"

Davey Combs must shake his head and laugh when he reads the crap we all argue about.

What about the polar bears? We haven't debated that yet. Don't you like how the media puts a polar bear on a piece of ice floating at sea and says they are drowning?? Then on the history channel I watched they can swim up to 150miles non stop, and stay under water for 11 minutes. A little misrepresentation there.

(Sorry, I'm just stirring the pot here before next Saturday)

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KilloMoto wrote: 3:20pm February 12, 2013

...and the polar bear population is starting to increase again....

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Misoheye wrote: 3:28pm February 12, 2013

@rickm..Do you know who created the EPA and why? No google this is not an open book test.Haha. On a serious side, the EPA is like any other gov't agency, poorly executed. I hate gov't control but look at some of the pollution in the places that are doing the manufacturing...Yikes!! I had a professor that said it best, "Don't shit where you eat".

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motobk wrote: 3:37pm February 12, 2013

This message is to all the fools that have not been around very long. They tried that back in the 80s . I regards to making the fast guys start last. The fast guys , Johnson, Ward, Lechine, were smart , they got there fast laps in , then pulled over and let people by so they did not get screwed because they were faster. The whole plan was a joke ! And should have never happened.
And anybody that thinks Obama won the election is also a fool. He stole the election and everybody knows it. He wont last a year before he is Impeached . As of now there are 14 articles of Impeachment filed against him, ant 1 of them will get him thrown out. Anybody that supports him supports the destruction of America.
There have been 3 Supercross teams fold so far this year because of Obamas economy, he knows what he is doing , and none of it is to make anything better.

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BillC wrote: 4:45pm February 12, 2013

"(Obama won for one simple reason by the way, the medias left bias which was able to reach deep into the uneducated Americans in this Country that had no idea WHAT they were voting for, Except a black man the promised change!! Change you can believe in)"

.Yup that and almost have the people are getting some kind of hand out so why Vote for Job's if you get money for free?? You should have to take a test to vote and if you can't answer a few basic questions about what is going on in the world sorry no vote for you. Way to many people that have NO CLUE what is going on voting. You ask them a question about their guy and they just have no clue at all.

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BillC wrote: 4:49pm February 12, 2013

motobk, I wish you were right but I don't see how he gets Impeached with the Dem in control of the Senate!! the Constitution is an obstacle to them to get around.

.And Hey therealmofo you must think you are a KNOW IT ALL to say who my guy was. How could you have ANY clue??

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Retardcross wrote: 5:00pm February 12, 2013

And the conspiracy theorists are out, "Obama stole the election" haha. #BROBAMA for the win.

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LastBikeRM250 wrote: 5:29pm February 12, 2013

I'm going to try to stay out of the political nonsense, but for the record: not everyone who likes and follows SX/MX is a rabid right-winger. Plenty of us own businesses, pay taxes without constantly whining about it, and are politically moderate. The extreme views people are drowning themselves and their kids in is disheartening.

Bitch all you want about your phantom "takers" (which are mostly people on social security and veteran's benefits), but realize you insult a lot of good people with your generalizations.

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Uncle Charlie Birmingham, AL wrote: 5:40pm February 12, 2013

@ BillC

Take your political BS somewhere else ................PieHole !!

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therealmofo wrote: 5:44pm February 12, 2013

@East Coast Swing--thats great--funny thing is, all the "right-wing nutjobs" think the welfare people voted in Obama--The states with highest concentration of welfare recipients, voted Republican...Check it out for yourself,,

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Uncle Charlie Birmingham, AL wrote: 6:16pm February 12, 2013

Go to Politico for politicts !! This is Motocross or Supercross is all..

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BillC wrote: 8:10pm February 12, 2013



East Coast Swing, Funny I did not start the political talk but you single me out. Shows what a low life you are.

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comedian66 wrote: 9:09pm February 12, 2013

BillC.....how does the media reach the "uneducated"? How does the "uneducated" even know how to listen to the media? and finally, why would the media even want the "uneducated" to listen? Do you have a Masters in "uneducated" thinking?

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Uncle Charlie Birmingham, AL wrote: 9:58pm February 12, 2013

@ BillC

I think Chris Dorner had your name in his Manifesto !! LOOK OUT mofo!

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squid292 wrote: 10:07pm February 12, 2013

Rc car racing. Lmao. I think the format on excitabike should be used! (sic) That track was horrible. No separation from the top guys to mid pack. All the sections were the same as everyone did it the same. Hence the start meant more than ever. May as well race flat track. My dad is 81 and called me at 1 am to say it sucked. And he has been to mx before doubles.I can't make this up. Good job to Saps and JB and RD thumbs down to the track designers. Keep it up and tv's will be turning off all over the country. Congrats you made sx into nascar

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Warren579 wrote: 12:35am February 13, 2013

I can't beleave a post about lap times turns into Obama bashing come on and by the way he won the election suck it up buttercup!

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klrman1 wrote: 12:47am February 13, 2013

I agree with mx100 and have had this beef for a long time about short mains. It's really an embarrassment to our sport to have such short racers.

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klrman1 wrote: 12:48am February 13, 2013

err, correction to my above post for the last two words that should read "short races"

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djpaulone wrote: 3:10am February 13, 2013

The political issues on Motocorss forum is unreal and hilarious.

The system is F'd. winning the Heat doesn't reward you squat. Dungey got last gate pick and got a awesome start last week. Obviously tracks vary on gate position and starts favor the rider that nails them down. Point being winning a heat doesn't issue much reward if any.
Heat wins should get you points. Wining points during heats would cause more intensive to win the heat. Only top 3 riders get points

I was at the race, the whoops where insanely deep I almost thought they where jumps. The TV doesn't get even get close to the scale.

Random Rant
This was the second race/stadium that the N word was yelled out in the crowd when Stewart came out. Absolutely Pathetic

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BillC wrote: 7:08am February 13, 2013

comedian66 ..one question, who said anything about the media?

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Bieberhole69 wrote: 9:46am February 13, 2013

@rickamatuzio thats such a stupid idea. points for heat races. why change the system, it works fine. quit complaining about it.

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cody2051 wrote: 10:07am February 13, 2013

About the only thing I get out of this is that the 450's are too big for supercross and the 250's are too much for the entry level pro class. What a joke it is that a 250 can get around the track faster than a 450. Give all the reasons you want, but the fact is the entry level pro class should not be even close (sub top 5 minimum) to the big boys.

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therealmofo wrote: 10:51am February 13, 2013

Points for timed qualifiers , and points for a heat race???? Really?? Sounds like somebody is fishing to get Stewart points, he is about the only guyu who would benefit from this every race..LOL!! Whoever started that must be a Stewtard..

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therealmofo wrote: 10:54am February 13, 2013

@How ignorant is the term "Liberal Media" ???? Hahahaha!! Like the Billionaires who own the media channels are Demacrats???? HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!! The right-wing -nuts that say that just hate the Real News" because it tells the truth about their lying Candidates they vote for..Its why "Fox News" (if you can call it news) cant broadcast in Canada, it against the law there to give false truths as real news and be called a news channel.. Its real look it up..We had that law here until Reagan killed it.. imagine that?? A Republican made Fox News legal..

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Retardcross wrote: 11:06am February 13, 2013

@ Bieberhole69......I can see we share the same awesome taste in TV shows by your username haha.

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Blackjack wrote: 1:23pm February 13, 2013

Just a suggestion.

Top eight transfer to the main and LCQ has four transfer.
Make LCQ same amount of laps as the heat race.
At the 20 minute mark have the white flag for 450s and 15 minute for 250s.
Draw numbers for gate pick. Use old gate pick method for who draws lottery ball order.

If you take a moment to think about any of these ideas, the benefits are more action, randomness and skyrocketing entertainment.

One more for the 2stroke 4stroke debaters.
150cc 2stroke entry level Pro class
350cc 4stoke Premier class

Could bring back some business for OEMs and affordability to the weekend warriors.

Bring on the debate and lets improve our passion.
What do you think?



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BillC wrote: 2:22pm February 13, 2013

therealmofo, There have been independent studies that show FoxNews to be the most accurate and fair. Like you say "LOOK IT UP"

.If you really believe both side get treated the same you are crazy. But either way the "new" shows should be telling the news not giving their opion's, Ya know like it was years ago.

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trucker wrote: 8:03pm February 14, 2013

..another example of CR being to slow. This main he set a quicker lap time than every other racer on the track. He's still & will be in it to win it @ the final race.

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GLOVER_MX_FAN wrote: 6:24pm February 15, 2013

O Boy, SX has changed it's like in it's 4th Generation Now, I've seen it
All and continue to follow , first off
I don't miss the McGrath an RC
Domination but I can say I enjoyed
The SHOW it's a dream come true
For a racer to Dominate and they both worked hard for it..

As for the Format it Sucks us fans dont get what we pay for the Races are too short... BRING THE SEMI's Back!!! First heat Transfers top 4
And 5 transfer in Semi top 2 in LCQ

As for the Main, if they can't Build 1:00 minute lap time tracks then they need to go to a 20 min plus 2 format... The men need to separated from the boys and I as fan want to see a race and not a Trophy Dash... SX is not to be compared to Outdoor MX.. It is indoor Entertainment that I enjoy more than Baseball and Football and Politics for you low lifes on a MX forum.. As for SX I like to see
The points race decided at the LA coliseum like when Damon Bradshaw Blew it in 1992
And when Wardy Stuffed Broc at Pasadena to steal the Title from Broc that he Deserved.. Also Bradshaw had 8 wins in 92 and was clearly the Best, it was his 19th
Place finish in Indy that gave Stanton any hope in LA
What I'm saying is don't mess with the AMA POINTS System... It has been just Fine the way it is
In the end it's Consistency that wins a championship.. Just Remeber in 2011 Villopoto was only one in History to Clinch with 4 rounds left..
The Field is Stacked these days and its good for the Sport so why not have a Race instead of Dash 4 Cash or sending 9 guys to a main from one Race and having Dungey in an LCQ ALL year long so far

I am just Happy to see my favorite Sport on TV which is getting Close to FULL TIME COVERAGE

AS for Mustarddog yes it is Called MX which is where SX came from
Don't Forget the LA SX or the other tracks that use the Bleachers to create an Uphill and downhill off camber... Every track needs to use a section of seats or Create uphill mounds like when Ron Lechein won in San Diego in 82 I believe...

You Want Good Racing...?
BRING BACK 2 STROKES....
Simply Put 4 Strokes changed Track Design in SX

Hats off to Davey and Millsaps
But Saps need to thanks his Mom
DUDE Has a An Awesome MOM
I lost mine to cancer, Dave talk to your mom and thank her on the Podium PLEASE!!!!!

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