The List: The MXoN Won and Lost
Wednesday, October 3, 2012 | 11:05 AM
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PrintBy Jason Weigandt and Chase Stallo
Want to know how the Monster Energy Motocross of Nations was really won and lost? Have a look at our breakdown of the top ten teams in The List.
1. Germany: 25 Points
Ken Roczen (4th Race 1, 5th, Race 2)
Max Nagl (3rd Race 1, 6th Race 3)
Marcus Schiffer (7th Race 2, 14th Race 3)
It was over when: Roczen and Nagl doing well wasn't the surprise—but everyone knew that Marcus Schiffer would be the weak link. They needed a top ten finish from him, and they got it in the second moto with his strong 7th. At that point, Germany had no flaws and looked set for victory.
Who Stepped Up: The whole team
What can you say—they all stepped up. Roczen's dominance of the MX2 Class at this race has been impressive.
Who Disappointed: For the other teams, they were hoping for a big mistakes, and it never came. Producing six scores without a big crash, mistake or mechanical failure is tough, but this team did it.
Max Nagl played a big role in Germany's win.
Ray Archer photo
2. Belgium: 29 points
Ken de Dycker (3rd Race 2, 5th Race 3)
Clement Desalle (4th Race 1, 7th Race 2)
Jeremy van Horebeek (10th Race 1, 38th Race 2)
It was over when: Jeremy van Horebeek suffered a mechanical DNF in the second moto. He was second of all the MX2 riders in the first moto, so he could have scored big points for the team. They did get to drop his score, but it meant de Dycker and Desalle would have to crush the third moto to catch back up.
Who Stepped Up: Ken de Dycker
Big Ken has been a revelation in 2012 since replacing the injured Max Nagl under the Factory KTM tent. De Dycker finished sixth in the final MX1 standings and carried that momentum into Lommel, where he helped Belgium to second overall, even outperforming his more heralded countryman Clement Desalle—although it wasn’t by much.
Who Disappointed: Jeremy van Horebeek
It’s tough to place van Horebeek in this spot considering his failure was due to no fault of his own. But when your teammates string together finishes of 3-4-5-7 there’s no one else to fill the position.
Ken de Dycker was the star for Belgium at Lommel.
Ray Archer photo
3. USA: 39 Points
Blake Baggett (14th Race 1, 6th Race 2)
Ryan Dungey (7th Race 1, 9th Race 2)
Justin Barcia (14th Race 2, 3rd Race 3)
It was over when: Things weren't looking good after the qualifiers, practice, or the first moto. But the Barcia/Baggett duo had a chance to drag the team back into contention in the second moto, putting themselves in position to take advantage of a mistake. But Barcia's run for a runner-up finish in the second moto ended with a collision with Ken de Dycker—the Belgian that Team USA needed to beat. Barcia got his bike fixed, but it didn't matter, because he only matched the score of Baggett's first moto 14th.
It was over when II: But really, Barcia finishing second in that moto wouldn't have helped in the end. This one was over as soon as Team USA couldn't get up to pace in the deep sand.
Who Stepped Up: Justin Barcia
Yeah, Barcia bounced off the track and got crazy on Saturday. Then he collided with Ken de Dycker in his first moto, which eventually busted his bike. But he was also up front in all of his races, and scored Team USA's only podium finish in a moto.
Who Disappointed: Ryan Dungey
Dungey has been a big part of Team USA's success the last three years, and he's the two-time and defending National Motocross Champion. His 7-9 scores (with a pair of uncharacteristic crashes) didn't get it done.
You might have missed: Easy to say Baggett struggled when looking at his 6-14 scores. But, that actually made him the second best MX2 rider for the day. A bigger problem was Baggett's starts—the team gave the 250F man the good gate pick in each moto, but he still started way back.
Ryan Dungey wasn't himself in the deep sands of Lommel.
Ray Archer photo
4. The Netherlands: 44 points
Jeffrey Herlings (1st Race 2, 2nd Race 3)
Marc de Reuver (9th Race 1, 17th Race 3)
Glenn Coldenhoff (15th Race 1, 39th Race 2)
It was over when: Marc de Reuver crashed in the second moto. The Dutch had already used their throwaway when Glenn Coldenhoff suffered a DNF in the same moto due to a broken clutch lever.
Who Steeped Up: Jeffrey Herlings
At just 18 years of age, the controversial Dutch phenom Jeffrey Herlings had the weight of an entire nation, if not all continental Europe, bearing down on his shoulders. While his conquests in the sand will live in motocross lore, his chance to prove himself against the best in the world was a challenge Herlings has embraced all season. Riding the 350F, instead of the 250F he’s ridden all season, Herlings dominated his first moto (Race 2), which set the stage for the showdown with Tony Cairoli in the final moto. An early crash from Herlings looked to wash away the hype. But the current MX2 Champion was up for the challenge and sliced through the pack to pull onto the back wheel of Cairoli with just minutes remaining. Although his last ditch effort would prove futile, Herlings answered the bell on the biggest stage.
Who Disappointed: No One
The Dutch were not expected to win the event outright, and other than a DNF from Coldenhoff, the Dutch were who we thought they were.
Herlings was a monster for The Netherlands at Lommel.
Ray Archer photo
5. Italy: 45 points
Antonio Cairoli (1st Race 1, 1st Race 2)
Davide Guarneri (5th Race 2, 13th Race 3)
Alessandro Lupino (37th Race 1, 25 Race 2)
It was over when: MX2 rider Alessandro Lupino broke a ligament in his thumb ... driving go karts on Friday night before the race! He struggled to 25-37 scores, basically eliminating any chance of Italy contending.
Who Stepped Up: Davide Guarneri
David Philippaerts, the 2008 MX1 World Champion, was expected to be sorely missed by the Italians (he was out with an injury), but Guarneri filled the spot well, logging a solid fifth in his first moto. It was a great ride, but he crashed in moto two and finished 13th, and even team leader Tony Cairoli admitted that sapped his own motivation a bit.
MVP: Antonio Cairoli
Super Tony finally showed what he can do on the grand stage. Ending the year with 12-straight moto wins in the GPs and a 1-1 at the des Nations, Cairoli might never be better than he is right now.
A 1-1 performance at Lommel from Super Tony carried Italy to a fifth place finish.
Ray Archer photo
6. France: 47 points
Gautier Paulin (2nd Race 1, 8th Race 2)
Xavier Boog (10th Race 2, 16th Race 3)
Marvin Musquin (11th Race 2, 19th Race 1)
It was over when: Marvin Musquin failed to finish inside the top-10 in either of his motos.
Who Stepped Up: Gautier Paulin
Paulin not only showed his versatility at Lommel—he’s known as more of a hard packed rider—he’s begun to establish himself as France’s go-to-guy at the MXoN, after two moto wins in his past three appearances (2009 and 2011) and a second place finish to Cairoli in the first moto. A crash in the second moto hurt his chances for the overall, but Paulin has proven to be a contender on the world stage.
Who Disappointed: Marvin Musquin
Musquin, who won the MX2 Class at the MXoN in 2009 and helped lead France to the brink of their first title since 2001 a year ago, was arguably the biggest disappointment of the weekend. The two-time MX2 World Champion had lofty expectations entering the weekend after winning at Lommel in 2009 and finishing third in 2010 (in the MX2 Class). But his 11-19 moto scores left Musquin and France looking for more.
It was a dissapointing weekend for Marvin Musquin and the French squad.
Ray Archer photo
7. Estonia: 56 points
Tanel Loek (2nd Race 2, 4th Race 3)
Priit Ratsep (20th Race 1, 15th Race 2)
Gert Krestinov (17th Race 1, 18th Race 3)
MVP: Tanel Leok
The Estonian Express, Tanel Leok, had a sensational performance, running in moto podium contention in both of his motos. Perhaps not by coincidence, Leok's best performance of the GP season came in sandy soil at Lierop, where he finished third in the second MX1 moto. But he was only eighth this year in MX1 points, so this was a great day.
Who Disappointed: Estonia got seventh overall! No one disappointed here.
Tanel Leok put together an amazing performance at Lommel.
Ray Archer photo
8. Great Britain: 56 points
Tommy Searle (8th Race 1, 12th Race 2)
Max Anstie (9th Race 2, 11th Race 3)
Jake Nicholls (16th Race 1, 36th Race 3)
It was over when: Tommy Searle couldn’t break the top-5 and Jake Nicholls failed to secure a top-10 finish in the first moto.
Who Stepped Up: Max Anstie
Max Anstie has shown his prowess in the sand—a podium at Lierop in the MX2 Class this year—but many questioned his choice over Shaun Simpson for the MX3 spot. We’ll … Anstie answered his critics with solid rides in both motos while riding the 450 (he spent all season riding the 250).
Who Disappointed: Tommy Searle
With Dean Wilson sidelined with a shoulder injury, the torch was passed to Tommy Searle to lead GBR back to the podium—or at least match their fourth place finish from a year ago. Searle failed to do either, and was outperformed by the less established Anstie.
9. Portugal: 80 points
Rui Goncalves (10th Race 3, 12 Race 2)
Luis Correia (13th Race 2, 24th Race 3)
Paulo Alberto (21st Race 2, 33rd in Race 1)
It was over when: Paulo Alberto failed to break into the top-20 in either moto.
Who Stepped Up: Rui Goncalves
He was expected to be the strongest rider, and he was, with 10-12 scores.
Who Dissapointed: Paulo Alberto
Alberto had the weakest results, but seriously, top ten overall for the team is good so no one is really complaining.
Max Anstie rode a terrific race for the British.
Ray Archer photo
10. Australia – 83 points
Todd Waters (8th Race 2, 15th Race 3)
Lawson Bopping (19th Race 3, 21st Race 1)
Luke Styke (20th Race 2, 26th Race 1)
It was over when: Veterans Chad Reed, Michael Byrne, Brett Metcalfe and Matt Moss all were unable to compete due to injuries, leaving a team of three rookies to contest one of the hardest tracks in the world.
Who Stepped Up: Todd Waters
Next year Australia may have a real dilemma on their hands when everyone returns from injury. The reason: Todd Waters. The runner-up in the Australian Nationals MX1 Class far exceed expectations with an eighth in the second moto—firmly establishing himself as a potential pick next year.
Who Disappointed: Luke Styke
It’s hard to pin point any rider from a team that really disappointed—this was a group of rookies. But Styke, who lost the MX2 Australian Nationals title at the final round, was hyped as a great sand rider. And he failed to live up to those lofty expectations.
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"But really, Barcia finishing second in that moto wouldn't have helped in the end. This one was over as soon as Team USA couldn't get up to pace in the deep sand."
.WHAT???????????????? thats a 12 point swing!! and you say it wouldn't have helped?? That also adds 2 points to team Germany!! now we are tied...Still think id did not matter??
I think some people are crazy when they say we had no shot!! that with Barcia and RD not passing anyone after his 2nd crash in moto 2 is what did us in other wise we could have won. and none of this would be talked about. Sure Herlings and Tony are form another planet but we did not need to beat them.
Love the way people call Herlings a beast or a monster in the sand........but wait ..he is!!
The picture of Tanel Leok is pure class. You can tell he's riding the ass off that Suzuki. Well done Tanel, you stepped up at the biggest race of the year.
I would say that the main disappointment for Belgium was Desalle who could'nt do better than 4-7. He is number two in the final standing of MX1 world championship, so we can say it was very average from him. Van Horebeek was unlucky, but still, his tenth position in race 1 was really ok (2nd 250), and he was about to improve his mark in the second moto, but his bike had a different plan for him...
This thing was for Belgians to lose and the mechanical by Van horebek ended the show for Belgium to win. I have to agree thos CAIROLLI is in the best shape/form he can be and he may never have a repeat season like this. Enjoy it while you can.
what suprises me about Tony is that he doesnt do too much gym or cardio work out. The Euros just ride and hit the road on a bicycle and thats it for their work outs.Tony said in his interview that he found out that thats what works best for him.
I'd like to know what Bagget thought when he got lapped by Herlings and Cairolli, I mean the guy was like 6th place when he got lapped. That would be a good bagget interview ?. Did he think he lost a position or did he even realize he was getting lapped. One thing we all saw at MXON is that KTM domination is here big time. Its getting bigger than the honda days. I see an orange future. already thinking of getting a 350 and I been a honda/suzuki guy all my life
Yeah and you think Stewy would of done better...........HA HA we would of had a worst defeat....................
I don't know! Maybe watching that little mishap between Barcia and Dungey in the 2nd moto for the 37th time in frame by frame, slow-mo, regular speed, reverse slo-mo, and every other option possible, was not enough for me, but I would say (objectively) that Barcia was most definitely coming (across) into Dungey's line as Barcia was attempting a pass, (gee, never seen that before) and a simple evasive throttle back,( by Dungey) as he tried to avoid (potential contact) with Barcia was enough to rotate the front wheel downward and to the right, and plow, as opposed to float the front tire over the sand, was the reason Ryan's 2nd place position was jeopardized. And (NO) I do not buy that Dungey was trail riding in 2nd place, as Claxton's (selective memory) has repeatedly implied. But, rather Ryan was keeping his nose clean trying to stay (out) of trouble, which is exactly what he needed to do, after Barcia's little encounter with trying to take Ken de Dyker out, in moto 2.
In summary, I can't accept Dungey was at fault, to the point of full responsibility, for Team USA and their not placing better than 3rd on the podium.
That said Barcia maintained a great finish in moto 3, but his wreck(less) abandon, may have lost the war for Team USA.
My opinion, after careful consideration, and I am sticking to it! Watch it another time or twelve before you throw Dungey under the bus, (all by himself).
Sorry, "Barcia and Dungey in the 3rd Moto," I meant! My error!
Caseypons SPOT ON. Or, if you will allow, "BAM."
Caseypos, btw, you are going to get drilled for saying it. Despite the fact that all 4 commentators at the track in 2 different broadcast teams (the Euro live feed and then the USA feed with Emig & whatshisname) thought the same.
Put it this way, if Barcia didn't cause Dungey's crash, then that photographer had ZERO to do with Stewart's crash. At least the photographer was 120 feet away and he didn't look like he was crashing into Stewart's line.
the MXDN is over ...we got third.....move on......and get off Barcias di*k ....he gave it his best as did the whole team...he was racing other people besides Rogers son.....
@ElsinoreRacer; Yes, I agree, despite that (live) commentators (one Englishman and One American) noted as a forced error, had Barcia not come across Ryan's line as the right hander was coming right up, and Barcia wanted the inside line, (immediately) at the risk of taking Dungey's inside line that he (already) had.
Just sayin, if Barcia was not a part of the equation with de Dycker and/or Dungey, on both incidents, the outcome would not be as it turned out.
So, if anyone is going to throw bodies under the bus, make sure one of those rear dualies has Barcia's name on it, as well, and let Ryan Dungey save some face, is all I am sayin!!!
Dungey looked off pace and it is what it is... Could have been the sand, but it was the same track for everyone and Dungey said himself he is used to sand,so he just got beat..RV may have been beat as well, but it would have been closer in my opinion....Sometimes it comes down the rider skill and there were better guys out on the track...
Barcia - To me, his attempt to pass DeDycker where he did showed his immaturity he has shown in the past and it cost him a front wheel...He was also riding over his head in moto 3 which from what i saw caused Dungey to go down after having to check up or else he would have slammed into a buckin bronco ala Bam Bam...
Baggett - Looked ok in comparison to the rest of the 250 guys (except roczen) but didnt shine like I thought.....
We'll get em' next year....keeps it interesting none the less...
This article is disrespectful to the riders of all the teams listed! How dare you suggest some members of these teams as..., "disappointing"!
Weigandt, take some good advice from a guy older than yourself. 'Think before you speak (or write in this case)"!
@Tonewall; We both know how you feel about Roger DeCoster and KTM. And we both know Barcia can do no wrong in your eyes as these boards are witness. So, don't (try) to lay your tainted bias dung on me. I ain't no tourist, I live here!
"Rogers Son," you crack me up! Ha! ;~}}}
caseypons A yes the weather is better in the old North West Tell us why you never made it to Washougal .......................??????
Was it karma that had Barcia getting parked by the same Belgians that were parked by Barcia's trainer / mentor Jeff Stanton 20-something years prior?
I'm suprised nobody else has mentioned this.........or is it just too far-fetched to comprehend???
@KilloMoto: Bingo!!!
@ tonewall, your KTM bias is showing...............haha. Just kidding, bud.
this kid is fast let me know what you guys think! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYC6F7tpdeo
Everybody is saying how bad Dungey and Baggett did and how good Barcia did. Take an interesting look at how each rider finished in their class. MX1 Dungey 5 - 4 MX2 Baggett 2 - 2 MX3 Barcia 10 - 3.
This makes no difference but it is interesting.
Pitbull..Wake up. I was responding to the story, Not making excuses.
Weather Barcia caused RD to crash or not, who knows, Once RD got up he went no where. I have not heard of him being hurt either. After seeing Barcia'e crash with Ken de Dyker it did not look as bad on the big screen as it did live on the computer. Ken de Dyker came all the way across the track, Maybe JB did not think he would come all the way to the inside line?
Funny how some say let it go, Its over ECT but they still show up on every thread about the MXD. If you don't care stop reading about it!!
Just face it, that deep sand is not the USA normal track conditions.. And its basically a "home" track for Belgium and Germany.. It is very hard to beat a talented team on thier home track.. Take those same teams to almost any track in the USA and it would be totally different results.. Its why the Des Nations is in a different location every year, for this purpose.. Heck, Caroli couldnt even beat Andrew Short in Thunder Valley in one moto, why?? Its kind of a Home track for Short.. The USA shouldnt have been a clear favorite going into this race anyway.. Would RV1 or Stewie have made a difference?? Maybe, who knows.. But one of them would have been in Barcias spot, who actually rode the best anyway.. Dungey is probably our 3rd fastest outdoor rider in the 450 class, but he was the only one healthy enough to go.. So it is what it is.. Great job Germany, and congrats on your first win at the Des Nations.. And great job to Belgium also..
Alessandro Lupino completely failed for his country. Hopefully for Italy's sake he's banished from ever being considered for future MXoN. AC's efforts while dominating and glorious for himself were all for naught because of Lupino's lack of courtesy for the team and for Italia.
There's a time for go-karting, partying, skydiving, snorting coke, taking it up the ass, or even playing patty-cake, but it sure in the hell isn't the night before the biggest race of your life when your country is depending on you.
bd200 NEED to get that piece of shit truck fixed
I may be mistaken - for what its worht
The last time USA did nto win was 2003 in the sand in Begium to the Begiums
Everts - Ramon - Smets
We did not race in 2004
JimM
Pala374
Without a lot of should have, could have. I was not to far from the Barcia, Dyker incident and saw the hole thing. For sure Barcia was going for the pass and may have made it if Dyker had not come over. Did he do it to protect his position? I saw it as a racing incident Justin was going inside and then there was on room left so he tried to get out of it but at that speed sometime there is no time. So he caught Dykers rear wheel and went down but got up quick and back to business. That's racing! That track was for sure the toughest track I have ever seen and the speed that the top guys in each moto was going was crazy. I just want to say that on that day and on that track we got schooled. On and other day and an other track it may not be the same, but for now for all that survived that track KUDOS TO YOU. Guys give credit when credits do.
@Caseypons ...I had A Martini jersey..the same gear and boots......i 'learned' to 'cross up' my twice pipe CZ...one of the only trophys i actually give a sh(t about has Roger Decoster engraved on it...I have a signed factory Suzuki 1971 GP book and many others and I have film of Him myself and Gerrit W after a USGP.......you have no idea how I feel from a few sarcastic remarks made on here. I started owning KTM's when they were pentons 73 125 and 175 74 250 which led to ALOT of KTMs GS6 MC5's 380's 400 4 stroke etc... ....alot of times I was the only guy on the starting line with one in the day...... my last was an 05 300....I happen now to prefer a RMZ 450 because it hauls and a KTM will never turn inside it....lol...but I like the bikes ...they just aren't NEW (except for Dungeys always new untested one...lol) or anything special to me at all.....half of what I say about them is to yank Cbads chain and i'm sure he laughs it off as I do his Suzuki slams...Barcia tried his ass off and gets slammed...i don't get it...same with Stewart ...you'd think it was guys on this site hitting the ground....I like guys who try that hard .....But RV1 is my favorite rider and I have no favoritism toward or against the rest ...I think Dungey is a serious badass and has a chance to win anytime he lines up and i'm sure he tried his best in the cat box...."ole paint' Havocs bike is my favorite because of its seriously dominating heritage and I own one...lol...its all good....the M-cup will be interesting and worth looking forward to..
@tonewall Yeah I seen you on the broadcast over in Lommell you were dressed like the blue man group from England wearing the spandex ....Cherio blu hole
@Tonewall: I've read your above statements of how you love Roger DeCoster, Ryan Dungey, KTM and the fact that Barcia tried his ass off.
That said, in my opinion, form these boards, you, my friend have done nothing but abuse KTM and especially (their un-tested machinery). All year you have taken great pride in belittling any and all Europeans for nothing more than, they are in fact Europeans. Two days before the MXdN both you and Claxton were taking great pride in nationalistic bigotry towards both Antonio Cairoli and 18 year old Ken Roczen as you both have all summer long.
As stated, your previous comments precede your futile attempts to cover your words, as (again) these boards are witness to your previous nationalistic bigotry at the expense of someone (anyone) who is not born on your (flat) little world.
When you are, good and ready to "Walk the Walk and Talk the Talk" as Claxton slanders (ALL) Euros for place of birth rather that merit of worth, then and only then can we have an intelligent conversation.
Oh, and your praise to Claxton's comment stating,"I sure hope Tony Cairoli doesn't get his teeth stuck into any Team USA rider" the night before the MXdN was held, was really a class act effort on your part. Defend that bigoted, slanderous, derogatory affirmation now. You my bigoted friend, are a walking contradiction of terminology, as is your bigoted friend Claxton.
Oh, and by the way, Tony Cairoli did get a chance to sink his teeth into not only any potential American, but the entire field as he lapped them, but unlike you, and Claxton he has compassion for his fellow man. As far as I am concerned, you owe Tony, an apology, and then eat those words in this public forum. You Dog!!!
Man Up Tonewall, and stop waffling all over yourself and what you have written day in and day out.. It's embarrassing to read, and it makes you look like the bigot you consistently portray in denial.
You started this confrontation, remember that, my friend....
PS My sincere apologies to (everyone) else on these boards, but Tonewall and Claxton. As they have been asking for someone to stand up to their slander of, any and all Europeans, as long as I have been reading this fine Motocross (not racist or nationalistic rag) publication.
Once again, my apologies....
@Gary Bailey; As you have written in my prized publication of yours, "How to Win Motocross" never follow always look for an alternate line. After several re-views of the Barcia, de Dycker incident, I can honestly state from video footage, that Ken was taking that wide outside line to cut the apex off of that left-hand sweeper. At the speed he was approaching that corner, there was no way in Hell, Barcia was going to hold that inside line all the way around that corner. Barcia's motive was more than just holding a tight inside line allllllllllll the way around that corner at the speed he entered that sweeper. At least that is what you taught me....as I remember.
As much respect as I have for you, and my late night reading during the early '70's of your Bible of Motocross, stating it was a racing incident, then, Sir, I will retract my statement Barcia was trying to take de Dycker out on that over-zealous approach to that wide sweeper on the far inside line.
I stand corrected, Sir!
@
caseypons Hey weather man thats not baily you douche'''''''''' thats carlsbad dork bailey would have his in red like you that goes NO WHERE. HE is a flamer like you stay in washington fool . You posers believe everything and anything........
@caseypons ...we all aren't on here to please you or agree with you......i have my takes and you have yours.......Claxtons remark was a bad joke but it made me laugh..and if you don't like it tuff sh*t. I happen to be a fan of Mr Cairoli since his early Yamaha days .. LIKE IT OR NOT and have absolutely no real ill will towards Euros LIKE IT OR NOT.... I also have a bad sense of humor and if bothers you ..thats too bad....you don't know me and i don't know you so climb down off that high horse bud....you want confrontation ..i'm glad to oblige.... You over stuffed pompus a*s. If you don't like it ...look away......and stick your WEAK a*s apology's where the sun don't shine..my friend........
@caseypons,
That was a childish response.
@Tonewall: If you think speaking out against bigotry, and disrespect for someone elses nationalism is pompous behaviour, then all I can say for you is, at least you are consistent.
I don't understand you, but I feel for ya man...
Have a nice day!
OldGrey:
Really? You're saying there was a world-class athletic competition, a competitive event where teams won and lost, and yet somehow not a single one of those athletes was disappointing? That doesn't make any sense. Some did better than expected, some did worse. That's sports. And that's what sports journalists do--they explain that.We could write that everyone is awesome every time, all the time, but clearly, that can't possibly be the case in reality.
Mr. Weigandt,
Let me make my point with an analogy. Let's say you had three young kids and you took them all out to play in their first T-Ball game. After the game was over would you tell one of the three they were disappointing? No..., I don't think you would and so it is with your negative connotations attached to certain riders in your article.
You could have made your point without tagging individuals as, "disappointing".
And besides, how do figure Dungey as "disappointing" when he was the most consistent, and scored the fewest (best) points of the three? Just sayn'.
Look, no grudge by me (I'm too old for that), I just don't agree with the way you presented your points in this article. Bye the way, I am a former columnist in a sports magazine, just not MX. Good day sir.
@mit12; You are probably right, I will say I was pretty fired up while writing my reply. When I am told to get off someones dick, I take offence to that. That said, witnessing blatant bigotry against people whom I have a high degree of respect for (and communicate with), only to witness those who think it acceptable behaviour on these boards, and allowing the culprits to go unchecked with their slander, and doing nothing, is not in my constitution. I have bitten my tongue on this subject for over two years and last night my cork popped. Had I have waited until this morning, my reply would have been different. But, my emotions got the best of me.
You can't let the school yard bulley(s) beat up your friends on a daily basis. To (allow) the bully to intimidate you or others in your presence, is not acceptable???
I will call out bigotry when it is in my presence, and especially when it is inflicted on those I care about. Bigotry is a social disease, and unacceptable in a public forum. You want to belittle people, do it at home and behind closed doors and under your breath.
You think my reply was childish, and maybe you're right. Do you find bigotry acceptable behaviour? I appreciate your remark, none the less. Cheers!
@caseypons ........ I'm sure Tony is relaxing with a bad a*s euro super model...crakin some dom' .....looking out the window at his BMW you wish you had and his full works brand new unproven KTM and laughing his a*s off.....tear out a page from his book and put it under your pillow.......give it a rest. Ciao'
@Tonewall; Holy Cats Ass, Dude! That is the most humane thing you have ever posted on these boards. Are you feeling OK???
I would love to bury this hatchet, and not in your forehead, but under my pillow with my disparaging remarks, that I apologise for.
Ole Tony did ride that (un-tested) 350, pretty damn fine on that beach in Belgium, for a Euro. Ha!
May I be struck down by a swift bolt of lightning in my sleep...
Ciao'
Schiffer deserves a lot of credit , that 7th in his first moto was huge.I didn't know anything about him (until now) but from what I was reading he was not expected to do that.
@VISTAJIM
Markus Schiffer used to ride 250 and 450 GPs when the teams had more money and the field in the GPs where 40+ riders...
He regularly place in the Top Ten in each class. then he had real problems because of crashes with his shoulder.
This year he "only" rode the national championships and won most the races even when GP riders like Boog and Nagl were present.
So he is on the same level as GP Top Ten riders only he hasn't got a ride!
BTW in my wildest dreams i had moment where i thought the mxdn could go for germany as it did - but then i woke up having goosebumps! :-D