by Chase Stallo
Sign of the Lap Times: Southwick
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 | 10:00 AM
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PrintMan, the drama at the 'Wick was overflowing this weekend. From the Ryan Dungey bike situation, to Justin Barcia and Gareth Swanepoel winning their first career motos (in their respective classes), to Brett Metcalfe getting that eight-year monkey off his back and finally winning his first overall, and oh yeah there was a hurricane breathing down the east coast that halted the travel of half the industry. Southwick by far provided one of the wackiest, flat out bizarre weekends in recent memory. But you will hear plenty about all this "drama" throughout the week so let's see how it all broke down with this week's Motion Pro Sign of the Lap Times.
450 Class
Moto 1
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 1 | 2:00.892 | 2 | 2:03.445 | Ryan Dungey |
| 2 | 2 | 2:01.703 | 3 | 2:03.442 | Ryan Villopoto |
| 3 | 36 | 2:02.287 | 2 | 2:03.698 | Justin Barcia |
| 4 | 3 | 2:02.795 | 2 | 2:06.942 | Brett Metcalfe |
| 5 | 35 | 2:03.477 | 3 | 2:05.635 | Chad Reed |
| 6 | 4 | 2:03.560 | 3 | 2:08.917 | Mike Alessi |
| 7 | 5 | 2:05.598 | 3 | 2:08.883 | Colton Facciotti |
| 8 |
6 | 2:05.691 | 3 | 2:09.067 | Jake Weimer |
| 9 | 18 | 2:06.580 | 2 | 2:16.037 | Michael Sottile |
| 10 | 8 | 2:06.776 | 3 | 2:10.687 | Les Smith |
Moto 2
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 1 | 2:20.682 | 2 | 2:27.254 | Justin Barcia |
| 2 | 3 | 2:24.858 | 2 | 2:30.020 | Justin Brayton |
| 3 | 2 | 2:24.929 | 12 | 2:28.587 | Brett Metcalfe |
| 4 | 7 | 2:25.125 | 4 | 2:27.606 | Ryan Dungey |
| 5 | 5 | 2:26.900 | 2 | 2:32.721 | Jake Weimer |
| 6 | 4 | 2:26.901 | 2 | 2:30.428 | Ryan Villopoto |
| 7 | 13 | 2:28.230 | 10 | 2:36.719 | Kyle Regal |
| 8 |
6 | 2:29.018 | 2 | 2:34.919 | Mike Alessi |
| 9 | 34 | 2:30.264 | 2 | 2:35.062 | Robert Marshall |
| 10 | 8 | 2:30.697 | 4 | 2:35.817 | John Dowd |
Yes, Ryan Dungey did set the fastest lap of moto one with a 2:00.892 on lap 2, but we all know the real story of the weekend regarding Dungey. The man put in a ride that will probably go down in the history books in moto two. He stared down the barrel of adversity and burned a hole through it. We all know the back story by now so I won't bore you with that, but sometimes you have to beat a dead horse and give credit where credit is due. He also logged the fourth-fastest lap of the moto and did it on lap four, when he must have been mired in traffic.
Overshadowed by the "Dungey Dilemma" was Justin Barcia laying the wood on the rest of the field in moto two. Not only did Barcia win his first career 450 moto, not only did he set the fastest lap of the moto, but he did it by putting down a lap that was a full four seconds faster than his next closest competitor!
Barcia set the fastest lap in moto two en route to his first career 450 moto win.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
250 Class
Moto 1
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 2 | 2:05.154 | 2 | 2:11.107 | Tyla Rattray |
| 2 | 1 | 2:05.447 | 2 | 2:10.542 | |
| 3 | 3 | 2:05.507 | 4 | 2:12.094 | Dean Wilson |
| 4 |
4 | 2:06.494 | 4 | 2:13.524 | Gannon Audette |
| 5 | 14 | 2:07.051 | 4 | 2:16.342 | Eli Tomac |
| 6 |
9 | 2:07.915 | 4 | 2:13.682 | Blake Baggett |
| 7 | 6 | 2:08.118 | 2 | 2:13.880 | Ryan Sipes |
| 8 | 7 | 2:08.195 | 4 | 2:13.778 | Marvin Musquin |
| 9 | 5 | 2:08.341 | 4 | 2:13.207 | Broc Tickle |
| 10 | 11 | 2:08.670 | 3 | 2:15.647 | Malcolm Stewart |
Moto 2
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 1 | 2:13.373 | 6 | 2:17.617 | Tyla Rattray |
| 2 | 3 | 2:15.133 | 2 | 2:19.451 | Alex Martin |
| 3 | 4 | 2:16.012 | 3 | 2:19.009 | Justin Bogle |
| 4 | 2 | 2:16.248 | 4 | 2:19.053 | Dean Wilson |
| 5 | 5 | 2:17.247 | 7 | 2:21.400 | |
| 6 | 9 | 2:17.867 | 3 | 2:23.854 | Jimmy DeCotis |
| 7 | 8 | 2:17.919 | 4 | 2:22.377 | Marvin Musquin |
| 8 | 7 | 2:18.160 | 3 | 2:22.048 | Jason Anderson |
| 9 | 6 | 2:18.928 | 7 | 2:21.591 | Blake Baggett |
| 10 | 12 | 2:19.999 | 8 | 2:23.783 | Broc Tickle |
Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki's Tyla Rattray proved once again he is a man among boys in the 250 class at Southwick. While Rattray did lose moto one to fellow South African Gareth Swanepoel when he stalled his engine while leading, he still managed to set the fastest lap of the moto with a 2:05.154 on lap 2. He did the same in moto two when he tracked down Eleven 10Mods Alex Martin en route to his second consecutive overall at Southwick. But A Mart proved he wasn't just lucky with a holeshot, his second-best lap time of the moto shows how fast he can go. Well done by rookie Justin Bogle in the second moto, as well.
Raise your hand if you thought Gareth Swanepoel would be the rider to break up the Pro Circuit streak...anyone? While Swanepoel has challenged for a podium spot on a few occasions this year I don't think anyone thought he was due for a moto win. But the Star Racing rider battled with the top-two Pro Circuit bikes and came out on top. A feat like that cannot go unacknowledged.
Rattray set the fastest lap in both 250 motos.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
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Southwick lived up to and passed many expectations of being a wild race! Barcia's speed, Villopoto's smarts and Dungeys resolve give s us alot to look forward to in the last two races!
Dungey. history books? Reeds ride after his horrible crash was twice as spectacular. After the halfway point most of the riders Dungey passed thought they were going a lap down.
I wonder what's Alessi's deal? The guy is right there in terms of lap times, starting position, etc. He seems to not want it bad enough or some version of that. I'd like to know if he's got another deal lined up for next year or what is going on in regards to that. His interview seemed very flat / lifeless which, to me, is a sure sign of not really being there.
I think on another website "swanny" told rattray he was going to win at southwick. He seemed to be half-joking when he said it, but either way he earned that one. I hope there's a few more first time winners before it's over.
@kilroy, do you live to contradict? i mean it would be one thing if they were even comparable situations. these are not. one ate major shit and one didnt have a bike at the start of a moto. the fact they come through the pack i guess is similar. the conditions? nope. the mindset? nope. its all realitive. dont get me wrong what reed did was insane but no more remarkable as dungeys ride. im sorry in this instance you are wrong. both will go down in the record books as occurances during the greatest season of moto.
and last i checked this was lap times of SOUTHWICK not millville so how about we live in the present. unless you feel it nessasry to mention reeds crash in every article?
Carlsbad... A couple of things might explain the lack of performance of Alessi..
One is, the 450 he's riding on, was never really prepared for the 2011 season.. remember begin this year... All the lads at KTM were swearing with the 350... So the prep was not the same as the other manufacturers...
Second... I would be very much surprised if KTM did offer him another contract... I think he's shopping around.
Third.. DeCoster is not really a Alessi fan.. For whatever the reasons, I am sure some or most of it may hold some validity in DeCoster's mind...
RD's second moto average lap time was almost the same as Barcia's. One started first, the other last. The first lap, he looked a little sloppy, but he got into a rhythm about lap 3 and started riding anywhere to pass people.
Guys getting lapped roost you as much as anyone else, so I don't think that would take anything away from the ride, even if you accepted that premise.
A-Mart and Goonin' Audette representing MN in the 250 class. Woo-hoo.
Facioats! Nice Ride Champ.
"tyla proved once again he is a man among boys in the 250 class" BECAUSE HE IS A MAN AMONG BOYS.
i also dont see what is so spectacular about dungeys ride. yea, it was definitely a good ride but at a muddy sand track a lot can happen that makes it easy to move up through the pack. especially when its ryan dungey were talking about.
Sorry, but I feel I must re-post this again....before we go making Hollywood movies about Dungey!!!
Not to take anything away from RD but lets put things in perspective people! He's faster than all but two or three people on the track....and in conditions like that he's a lot faster than the rest.....hell most of the slow guys were crashing, quitting or simply just going through the motions trying to keep their bike on two wheels.. RD's bike wasn't damaged, he wasn't damaged? He was mad and full of adrenaline and simply rode the way he can...
No one talks of RV earlier in the season when he took a dirt nap on the side of the track, got up, shook off the cob webs and jumped back on his mangled bike and rode his way all the way back to 9th.....plastic falling off, silencer falling off? And in good track conditions where even the slow guys are still pretty fast!
I might be losing my mind here but I swear some of you have compared RD to the GOAT......????
I concur with Ripdown.
If you must make the comparisons, then the various factors must be accounted for in each situation, or "normalizing" each for a more accurate comparison.
It was a good ride to be sure, but not impressive in my mind. top 3 rider on best equipment in conditions that suited a come from behind scenario. It was the expected outcome if anything.
My observations are that no matter what Ryan Dungey does he won't get credit for how good he is. They all race the same track and his ride on Saturday was incredible. The best part of racing is there really isn't such thing as a good excuse for anything except fluke mechanical DNF's. In the big picture you make your own luck and the points don't lie. The champion riders will always rise to the top no matter what bugs occur throughout the season. Dungey rides smart, consistent, safe, there's a reason he always there in the title hunt. Give credit where it's due. He will be the Chad Reed of his generation once Reed retires, hopefully he wins way more titles though. And before you call me a nut-hugger I'm rooting for RV, I just can't keep my mouth shut anymore because Dungey is on par with anyone out there and gets shot down constantly. Everyone better hope that moto wasn't a mental breakthrough for Dungey or they could be in trouble, I think he may have just proved something to himself.
Hey all I was going to go though this mornings Racer X reading with out making a comment because I thought everyone had said it all untill I reac the above post by m c wrote, I could not help but wonder if this guy has ever raced much less raced in the mud???? I promise you thre is nothining "easy" about racing and working your way through the pack in those kind of conditions Yes I have been there and have done it and it "IS" not easy. Wow that post kinda upset me.......
Yes in my time some called me a mud hound. What most people dont understand at the top levels going faster is not in your wrist but beeing smater and figureing out how to make time the bikes will only go so fast.
Carlsbad - Alessi's results have been better on the 450 than the 350, with the exception of his one moto win last year. He has been a consistent top 5 this year, when he struggled to make top 10 much of last year. So while I agree with Didierlotsyeng that the 450 has not been the focus of KTM the last couple of seasons, I still think he is on the better of the orange bikes for the AMA series.
I think it's a combination of the KTMs just not being up to par with the Japanese bikes (look at Shorty's results vs. previous years) and Alessi just plain out not being as fast as the top couple of guys.
Yeah boys, Jason Anderson is back in it baby!!!
PS: To all I have not yet saw a comment from BillC!!!! He said he was riding to Southwick. I told him to ride safe I hope he is ok? I have riden my Harley through some bad storms and it can get reall tough even more so if you are riding by yourself and want to just keep going like most of us Motoheads do! I hope is is safe!
@ Welker and Retardcross
I don't see too many people on here suggesting RD isn't one of the best in the world. I certainly know that he is! Does he get the respect he deserves?? not likely but that is a bi-product of his personality and racing style.....he makes fast look like cruising such as Windham.
Reality is he's one of the top 3 or 4 fastest guys in the world.....and yes Mr. Welker, growing up and riding all my life in Northern Ontario I would agree mud riding is very difficult and grueling.... which also aided RD in riding through the pack. He had a championship to save, is a world class rider and 95% of the rest of the guys on the track in moto 2 at the Wick just wanted it over. I had to follow the second moto on Twitter and as soon as I figured out RD was on track and in the race I knew he'd make up a lot of positions and I was pissed that RV seemed to just have it in cruise control?? I guess it was the smart thing to do but we'll see.....when was the last time RV let himself be passed by Metty???
@Ripdown - Well said. It was a great ride and Dungey hauls the mail no doubt. To me, the fact he went out there and raced at all is more of a shocker cause you know he was pissed.
@Retardcross - Dungey " the Chad Reed of his generation".... Um, Chad Reed has been the runner up to more titles than anyone, is that really a compliment for Dungey....Albeit an awesome resume for Reed, I think Dungey will win more titles than Reed...or He'll be second to Villopoto his whole career like we are begining to see.....infact, Dungey is only 1 SX title behind Reed....since he has a 250SX and MX title already as well as a 450 SX and MX ....Most folks couldnt stand Reed until this year when the " New Reed" arrived...which in a few folks eyes from what I read is just a gimmick....he is smart and plays people...but he still the same selfish reed
Lap times tell everything...As you said.... "Yes, Ryan Dungey did set the fastest lap of moto one Blah Blah Blah...... He also logged the fourth-fastest lap of the moto and did it on lap four, when he must have been mired in traffic."
Uhhhh Chase.... RD payin you? Metty was running the fastest lap of the race on lap 12 ..... IN TRAFFIC..... Dungeys lap time average was only slightly better than Barcias... and comparable to Mettys..... Where do I see SPECTACULAR ride written on these numbers.... Half the field quit the race in the 2nd moto and thats how he got 7th....
You could watch the live timing and see Dungey moving up but as the lap times show, it wasnt due to raw speed it was due to the fact the competition was giving it up ....
I dont hate any rider I love them all, they make the sport what it is.... but Dungey is only as good as the rest of the front runners and has his days like they do,,,,, its racing and its been great this year but RD is NOT the 2nd comming of the GOAT
Dungy is the most professional racer out there by a mile. He never really complains. He just works hard and does not ride over his head. Glad he is representing the USA at the Motocross des Nations. You know he will make us proud regardless of the final result.
Can you imagine if he did not have bike problems in SX? Champion. Can you imagine if he did not have bike problems in Motocross? Champion.
@Ripdown - No one talks about RV's ride earlier this season? Villopoto fans haven't stopped talking about it. I admit that it was very impressive. Dungey's ride was also very impressive. Typical of RV fans, they feel they need to discredit anything Dungey does as "not anything special". Yeah, Southwick's conditions the other day were so easy to come from behind in. You people are morons. I hope Dungey wins this championship, just to see all the doubters shut the hell up.
@ Monsoon Mike - No, the second coming of the GOAT is RV. Isn't that what you want to say? No where in the article was it said that Dungey was the next Carmichael. There's a very thick Villopoto bias around here.
@Monsoon Mike, its obvious you arent a Dungey fan and are letting that cloud your view of reality. Metty set HIS fastest lap in lap 12, not THE fastest lap, Metty's fastet was 4 seconds slower than Barcia's. And half the field DID NOT quit the 2nd moto, dont be a hater, let the guy get his do for a great race.
@Cockroach, what if--what if what if. Get over it, RV won supercross, and will probably win the Nationals. Dungey had 1 win in supercross--RV had 5. You act like RV didnt earn it.
I hadn't been much of a fan for Dungey, until I saw him at the MXdN last year. But as I watched him more this season outdoors, I really liked the way he was looking. As Ripdown puts it, a very Windam style, fast and smooth. If it had been any other race, with dry conditions, I might not have been as impressed. But as rough as that track was and raining, Ryan did a great job and I was cheering for Reed. So Dungey has gained a lot of new respect from me this season. He will become the next ambassador of the sport for this era.
Hay all I am wondering if BillC is ok? we have not yet had a post from him unless I missed it? he rode to Soutwick and I said it on another post I hope he is ok? U motoheads will ride through anything I know I have on my Harley. Hey BillC you make it home ok? Anyone know??
Dear Reed fans, is it possible that because your guy went off the deep end that you're a little bitter?
Don't get me wrong I would have been as pumped as anyone to see Reed pull off the championship after what he's done this last year and with being such an ambassador for our sport but seriously, loose the hate. Dunge is a straight up good guy and damn fast on a motorcycle.
And for those commenting that riders were letting him go because they thought he was lapping them, from what I saw he was going so fast and taking such mad outside lines they never even saw him coming till he was gone. Guy was on it.
Although RV played it safe moto 2 and maybe a little too safe looking back now, in the end he came out better than he would if Dungey didnt have those issues as we all know Dungey would have been up front moto 2.You can never predict those issues and they sure do suck... If, RV were to win the second moto and Dungey got second, they would have tied in the days points..If Dungey were to go 1-1, RV would have lost points and we would be tied and if Barcia won, RD took second and RV third, he would have lost more points and possibly the points lead....RV played it right still came out on top which is all that matters and the day was almost a wash.....8 point lead going into the last to races and RV needs to go out beat Dungey (like he said in his interview) these last few races...or they can trade moto victories and tie on points the last two races....
no way rd is like ricky..he is more of a reed consistent,,laracoo come from behind always there at the end, and windham smoothness........rv is more rc
@JonJon525
You sir are the moron......go back to grade school and take some comprehensive reading classes and you'll see I was in no way discrediting RD's accomplishment nor his abilities.....just trying to add a little perspective....the conditions at Southwick were terrible no doubt.....which benefits the elite riders....doesn't make it easy for them but surely makes it more difficult on the back end of the field.....you know, the guys who RV, RD and Barcia out pace by 10 to 15 seconds a lap.
You guys are nuts.
RV and RC are the black and white Kings on a chess board. Different colour but equal. With a little more time we might see Barcia, Trey, JS7 and Reed all banging bars together. One can only hope.
The thing that impresses me the most about RD is how fast and consistent he is with out getting wild and crashing. Can anyone here tell me any time this year when he crashed (a tip over or bumping into the back of Reed doesn't count)? I don't think there was one time.
Just imagine if he stuck it out a little more what he could do. No body could touch him. Those may be his only two weaknesses- lack of aggression (passing the big guns) and being sometimes a little too conservative.
I think RV2 is going into safe mode way too soon,he should have gone for the win.He let Brayton beat him (nothing against justin but come on) I can see being safe in the last moto of the season but with the points so close he needs to step it up.
@ TOO SOON,, You have to remember that RV might have been playing it safe so his bike would not grenade on him.. Southwick can sometimes be about survival of your bike.. Bikes blow up alot more at Soutwick than any other track.. Just my opinion, but I think thats what RV was doing. RD on the other hand, had no choice but to go "balls out."
""" hole shot""" hey! what did RC do in the rain at millville a few years ago to me and every one in that race?????? ya i want to jump off a bridge!!!! that wont happen when i get that yellow bike ever agian!!!! go me!!!
Moto 2 Facts Dungeys laps broken down
39 Started
27 Finished
13 Riders on Lead Lap
Dungey finished lap 1 in 39th, lap 2 38th. Lap 3 34(no passes yet), Lap 4 32(RD last one on lead lap) Lap 5 28, Lap 6 26(one on lead lap behind him) Lap 7 24th( barcia has lapped 7) Lap 8 21st(30 riders left on track) Lap 9 17th(5 on lead lap behind him) Lap 10 16th(17 on lead lap) Lap 11 13th(16 on lead lap) Lap 12 12th(15 lead lap) Lap 13 10th(15 on lead lap, 12 Lapped riders) Lap 14 7th!!(PASSES 3 LEAD LAP RIDERS, only 24 riders scored that lap that means they got passed by barcia 2 times on same lap)Lap 15 Last lap 7th(GREAT RIDE!)
Finished 2:03.5 behind Barcia
I'd really like to know how far behind Barcia dungey really started, with a lap time average between 2-15 .5 seconds slower than Barcia
Dungey lapped upto not including 8th place in Moto 1.
Still pulling for RV2 bigtime but...... All of you who say Dungey's ride was nothing??? You have to remember, it is not like he fell in the first corner and got up in last at the end of the pack. The guy spotted the entire field almost 2 minutes and then took off in last. That is a hell of a ride. He obviously ate more roost, dealt with more riders and fought off a level of frustration that no other rider will know this year.
Cut the guy some slack and give him his props, the dude is a mad fighter and based on the last couple years of motocross..... In the ENTIRE world, there is only one guy who can go faster and that is one RV2, Go get the title Villo and Dungey you have made me a fan with the never say die work ethic and skills.
I am a fan of RV2's raw speed and have been every since I saw him at Glen Helen on a lites bike wearing # 251 and few people knew who he was. Carmicheal had a walk in the park that day in the big boy class but Villo was the only guy throwing massive jumps off the back table top that equaled what Carmicheal was doing and he was doing it on a 250!
Red54M, He really didnt' deal with anymore riders or roost then Barcia, Since he started so far behind everyone he had a clear track for basically the 1st 3 laps, You even said it yourself he spotted Barcia almost 2 minutes..
Not4show......I'd have to disagree and say Dungey would have a tougher go than Barcia coming through the pack. Barcia had more of a "clear track", meaning anyone he came up on would be blue flagged to move. Dungey was actually "fighting" for position coming through. Just the whole situation in general makes me think Dungey was dealing with a lot more than Barcia that moto. Just my opinion though, they both rode fantastic.
@ Not4show unless Barcia lapped up to 8th he ate less roost. Even if he did he ate less roost by one rider. The other thing is Barcia had a pit board telling him he was well clear, we did not have to risk every pass that Dungey was committed to making. Hey Barcia rode great, I am saying give Dungey his due, I don't know what this dude has to do to earn respect from some people???
I guess he is just too good of a person, too fast and without enough drama for some folks. Unless RV2 kills a baby or runs over his dog he will always be the guy I want to win!. But I am prepared to defend Dungey along time, just like those that have a problem with him better be prepared to constantly find fault cuz it looks like the guy is going to be running at the front for a few years!
Great ride by Dungey....yes...he manned up and did what a real champ should do...I am sure if that were Reed or RV, we would have seen a similar performance had they been in Dungeys boots.....
I do think that the first few laps....and if you watch the footage, RD is the cleanest guy out there....when he caught up to guys in the back of the pack....they were so spread out all he had to do is go around them, they were not bunched up like they would be on lap 1....Nobody from 7th place back would be a match for Dungey anyway...so yes, great slavage....but Dungey had a pretty clear track to work with most the race and was ging for it...not to mention how many of those bikes were stalled, broken, crashed or just cruising trying to survive.....racing is racing and he did what he needed to do.....But I think any of the top 5 guys could have done the same...if their HEART was into it....Dungeys heart was in it for sure.....no doubt..he was probably so pissed at Suzuki he didnt know what to do.....I like the Dunge(spounge)...but want to see RV win more
@ Trendkiller, you know we are on the same page my friend. I would have expected exactly the same thing from RV except perhaps a 5th place finish! My point is we want our guy to win and we want him to beat the best. I am glad to see Dungey fight like hell to try and defend his title. I have mad respect for the guy because he is young, he is all F%&#N business and he simply does not make excuses. He never points the finger and always says our team! Rather he runs out of gas, chain comes off or he has no bike when the gate is about to drop.
Him saying he owes it to the team for him salvaging a 7th is definitely seeing the glass half full, We all know riders that would have said " It sucks having to wait for your bike on the gate and starting behind the 8 Ball " One Chad Reed comes to mind.
Which brings another point, Reed quit! Yeah, "the crash" would have scared the hell out of anyone. HE DID NOT GET HURT HOWEVER. With all his years experience and how infrequently he has one of " THOSE CRASHES " I am a little surprised he was not able to put it out of his mind and say it happened, not likely to happen again lets go. Hell Trey Canard has one once a year, breaks his leg all to hell and comes back for more. When his bike had problems 2nd moto he mentally checked out. You could hear it in the interview and see it in the second moto. Hell Barcia's bike broke first and came back and won second moto. That was a difference in attitude. IMO Reed was lucky to have lead as long as he did. Facts are if Dungey would not have run out of gas Reed may have never even led this series.
@Red54 - Was there even an issue with Reeds bike in moto 2 or did he just not have it in him? He was getting smoked in moto 1 before the bike failed...and, I knwo it sucks for that to happen....I know.....When baseball mit Bates chased Reed down after moto one, he almost got diarreah of the mouth and he held his real thoughts back ...We almost saw the real Reed come out there for a second and his pisss poor attitude he is known for...but he knows now to watch what he says and you could see him think before he spoke... Bad mouthing Honda would be a disaster for him.....Things have gone well for Reed this year and he had lots of luck in SX to put him where he was..but as soon as something bad happens, watch out......the fingers start pointing.....
*** by the way Fuel & Speed - PLEASE FIND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO TALK and replace Bates next year.....she sucks and she isnt even cute anymore....
@ Rick Melon, Amen to that, I will sign the OUST Bates petition. The girl still does not know what moto it is?? Did you hear that blunder?
To those who say that what RD did was easy, expected, or anything short of championship material, you have never ridden a motorcycle, regardless of what you say. /thread
Wow 20 seconds difference from moto 1 to motot 2. Thats huge! Used to seeing 5-10secs.
Just a question as I live in Australia and have never been to a national who races first is it 250-450-250-450 or 450-250-450-250????
also, go metty!!!!!!!!!! and reedy!!! and burner!!!!
Dak446... You are correct sir. So far this summer RD and RV have beaten each other the same number of times. Some times RV is faster and sometimes RD is faster. This week when in moto 1 RD got the lead he flat out took off, no slow start this week. I think after last week he knows he has to be very aggressive on the first lap even if it makes him uncomfortable. RV was simply not as fast in moto 1. He wasn't playing it smart in the first moto he wanted to win.IMO It's not over yet.
do some of you guys even race? just pass the lapped riders! that track gets so rough that everyone trys to take the smoth lines.so R.D. had to take lines people wert in ,not the best lines the open line.
Really??? RC lapped the whole field in a mud race! That kind of ride would have put RD in 2nd even starting a full lap down (which RD didn't).
mxjoe99 Have you ever been to Millville? There is no comparison to Southwick. RC lapped the field to 2nd in Millville. Millville was muddier and of course it has clay, sand, and HUGE hills. Some of the lapped riders could hardly even make it up the hills. Hard to compare the two races is all I am saying.
WELKER!!!! Thanks for caring, Your a good dude!!! I made it home safe but the storm took out the power and the internet till about 15min ago. My Shop had power but no phone or internet till just now. I know you all missed me LOL.
Bill C - You were there in person.....Was RV catching Dungey that first moto, or was Dungey just letting off ?......TV coverage spent a lot of time watching guys battling for spots outside the top ten then came back to RV and RD with 2 laps to go......Looked to me that RV was chargin catching Dungey in the same way Dungey did to RV at Washougal
@Sherpa - I wouldnt say Dungey " flat took off" in moto 1....He got the holeshot and maintained the same cushion he got off the first few laps while 2nd - 5th got settled....I think he had an 8 second lead at one point but RV gobbled up the last few laps and caught Dungey.....Southwick is arguably the most challeging track to keep consistent lap times...so looking at the average lap times in moto 1, RV was a C-hair faster than the Dunge (spounge)....so saying RV wasnt as quick doesnt make sense.....however, they are both damb fast....
Treand Killer, I think RD backed off a bit and RV turned it up for sure,He was railing turns like he was possessed!!. He was right on him with 1/2 lap to go, JD actuly got in the way in a turn and RV back off. Man I wish there was one more lap would have been good. It was crasy how fast he cought him too, RD had about 8sec on him then BAM he was on him. I think RD could have pick it up but boy if there was another lap!!!
Trend Killer I agree they are both damn fast, but RD did gap him by 8 seconds and then let off with some 2:04 laps which allowed RV to close it up. RD didn't know until he was there.Then on the last lap dropped him again, go watch the race. At the finnish no RV in sight. One more lap and it would have been worse. BillC what are your thoughts on Barcias speed now? Didn't see RV passing him like a lapper this week.
@Sherpa, RV was on top of RD till 4 turns from the finish, JD got in RV's way and he let off till the finish so what you saw on TV was a little miss leading, RD DID NOT pull back away at all, RV was on top of him till the last 15sec of the last lap.
.As for Barcias speed why would I be shocked?? Either way RV PASSED him and pulled away before the honda quite.. He did not say behind him for 30 mins. @nd moto RV did not care what he did all he needed to do was finish and he would pick up points on RD so why chase him? So what are you trying to say?
i hate u billc
possessed!!!!!!!!!!! now i really hate u