Observations: Daytona
Tuesday, March 8, 2011 | 4:40 PMWhen Daytona was all said and done, it just ratcheted up the drama and intrigue that this year’s supercross series has already delivered so much of. If you live near a city that hosts a supercross race, please get down there and buy a ticket. There are so many subplots on and off the track that you just never know what is going to happen next and any one of five guys can win a race each and every night.

Every race fan should experience this.
Photo: Simon Cudby
Also, let it be known that I can’t believe Larry Brooks took this time to spend some time with his family; it’s incredible that he’s missing all this action. He wasn’t at Daytona nor Atlanta and I wouldn’t look for him anytime soon.
Since the Daytona race is not a Feld Motor Sports event, the folks who run the speedway are free to get anyone out there to build the track. For years and years it was Gary Bailey before he was replaced by the folks at Dirt Wurx (the guys who build the other sixteen tracks) and now, multi-time SX and MX champion (and at one time an employee of Dirt Wurx) Mark Barnett has done it for a few years. You can’t really compare Daytona to any of the other tracks because of the layout and the fact that Barnett has the advantage of being able to dig into the ground.
I thought the track was fantastic—some real cool obstacles and a little bit of thought and experimenting ended up working out. The track changes from one lap to the next, and the riders have to be real careful out there. The ruts form, the square edges appear, and you’re still trying to jump 30-foot (or bigger) gaps. I loved the gator pit into a wall, the section that a few brave souls tripled/doubled into, and the on/offs. Kudos to Ricky Carmichael for designing it (although there were more than a few things that were on the track map that weren’t there in real life, for whatever reason) and to Barnett for bringing it to life.

Villopoto celebrates two straight wins.
Photo: Simon Cudby
Ryan Villopoto has now won two races in a row on his Kawasaki, but even he would say he hasn’t been the fastest guy either week. But that’s okay. The bonus checks still cash and the points still get added to your total. RV was the second-fastest guy at Daytona but played it smart, didn’t push too much, and then was handed the race when James Stewart went down. The #7 was going all crazyballs on the field and jumping this insane wall jump, which was probably about a second faster. RV saw it but stuck to his traditional line in that section. In his mind, if he was going to get second, then that was okay also.
That mentality paid off, as Stewie did what he sometimes does and crashed hard. RV inherited the lead and held it strong all the way to the end for his fourth victory of the year. And more importantly, he has almost a race lead in the points.
Oh, James! Stewie was the man for a few laps in Daytona and his balls-out jump over the wall in the gator pit was cool and sweet or whatever word you want to use that means awesome. It turns out that some other riders knew that he was going to do that because they had it on film when he jumped it on the last lap of practice as well as one lap in the heat race. It says something that the guys knew about it and still didn’t pull the trigger on it. We all saw what happened: with an ever expanding lead, Stewie wheelied up the face of a triple and went over the bars in a frightening crash. It was crazy that the jump he bit it on wasn’t the gnarly wall or the triple/double thing that he was one of a few doing—it was a pretty easy triple that he had probably done fifty times that day.

Stewart put in an iron man effort at Daytona.
Photo: Simon Cudby
Stewie got up and stumbled to his bike, clearly dazed and confused. He eventually got his marbles straight and incredibly started going really fast again. Everyone’s lap times dropped off somewhat in the last ten laps and Stewie set some of the fastest times after the horrendous endo. He kept jumping the wall, kept charging, and actually managed to avoid being lapped by RV. It was a gutsy performance and one that might help him down the road to win this title.
There was a lot of chatter on the message boards and at the track about the outside assistance James got from the Asterisk medical crew. There was no outside assistance by anyone that isn’t allowed to help the rider, so you can throw that talk out. Also there were some people saying the track crew should have stopped James from continuing. That’s not the call of the Asterisk medical crew to make—every rider has a right to ignore the medical advice and continue racing. They just have to sign a waiver indicating they have understood they were advised to not race.
James got up, and although he was a little koo-koo, grabbed his bike and because his fender was up from the crash, he hit that and fell down. Had his fender been normal, he would have slung a leg over. The Asterisk crew was talking to him and he was responding well to comments. Besides, James’ lap times were still great, he was jumping his wall jump, and 40 feet after getting going after the crash, he cleared the finish-line jump, pulled a tear-off, and it was back on for him.
Take a look at Stewie’s lap times compared to the other top finishers and I think you can see that he was doing just fine from his crash. The times that are in bold are when he was the fastest guy on the track:
|
Lap |
Villopoto |
Reed |
Dungey |
Short |
Millsaps |
Stewart |
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2 |
01:17.3 |
01:18.9 |
01:19.1 |
01:18.7 |
01:19.1 |
01:15.6 |
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3 |
01:17.7 |
01:18.1 |
01:18.9 |
01:19.2 |
01:19.0 |
01:15.6 |
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4 |
01:19.5 |
01:23.7 |
01:21.8 |
01:22.0 |
01:22.5 |
02:29.0 |
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5 |
01:18.5 |
01:19.5 |
01:18.8 |
01:20.3 |
01:18.9 |
01:24.4 |
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6 |
01:18.0 |
01:18.7 |
01:18.3 |
01:21.7 |
01:18.7 |
01:18.8 |
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7 |
01:19.1 |
01:19.6 |
01:20.5 |
01:22.4 |
01:18.4 |
01:17.9 |
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8 |
01:19.0 |
01:18.6 |
01:18.4 |
01:21.2 |
01:19.3 |
01:19.6 |
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9 |
01:18.5 |
01:19.1 |
01:19.4 |
01:21.8 |
01:20.9 |
01:20.5 |
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10 |
01:19.0 |
01:20.3 |
01:20.5 |
01:21.7 |
01:22.9 |
01:22.4 |
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11 |
01:19.6 |
01:19.8 |
01:20.9 |
01:22.5 |
01:23.1 |
01:22.4 |
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12 |
01:21.4 |
01:20.1 |
01:21.2 |
01:23.0 |
01:23.5 |
01:21.0 |
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13 |
01:21.5 |
01:19.9 |
01:19.1 |
01:23.1 |
01:24.9 |
01:23.6 |
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14 |
01:22.4 |
01:20.4 |
01:20.1 |
01:22.2 |
01:24.3 |
01:20.5 |
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15 |
01:21.2 |
01:19.6 |
01:20.9 |
01:23.2 |
01:23.6 |
01:20.0 |
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16 |
01:19.8 |
01:19.5 |
01:19.5 |
01:22.4 |
01:22.9 |
01:20.6 |
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17 |
01:20.7 |
01:20.3 |
01:20.2 |
01:22.6 |
01:25.6 |
01:21.0 |
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18 |
01:20.5 |
01:20.1 |
01:20.2 |
01:23.5 |
01:27.7 |
01:22.7 |
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19 |
01:22.3 |
01:21.2 |
01:20.2 |
01:24.3 |
01:26.1 |
01:24.3 |
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20 |
01:23.7 |
01:23.8 |
01:23.6 |
01:27.9 |
01:28.6 |
01:32.8 |
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As I said, you guys reading this have to get a ticket for a sx race in your area. This #7 guy delivers on the entertainment, no doubt about it. Sometimes to his detriment for sure but either way, he’s going to make you shake your head at the end of the night.
I’ve been up in the press box watching the guys race. but for Daytona I was down on pit row watching and was amazed to hear just how much Andrew Short revs the crap out of his KTM 350 SX-F. He’s been doing better lately, and one of the things he told me was that he’s figuring out how to ride the bike a little better. His “little better” is like I said: revving the bike to the moon. Shorty rode a strong race to a fourth place and thus tied Mike Fisher in 1991 for the best supercross finish ever by a KTM.

Baggett was flawless in Daytona.
Photo: Simon Cudby
Blake Baggett is definitely as low on the hype meter as possible for a rider on the Pro Circuit team. Baggett, who won last year’s Dallas SX on a Suzuki, just goes about his business in a quiet manner and might just win this title over two of favorites Dean Wilson and Justin Barcia. Baggett checked out at Daytona and slowly pulled away from Barcia and Ryan Sipes to win and in the process, moved into second in the points.
When I watch him, he’s just a solid rider who doesn’t look to me to have a distinctive riding style or riding trait—he’s just fast. Blake is going to be a real factor in this thing and he can thank his opening race at Houston for him being in there. That race was almost a disaster but he salvaged a third there to keep him in the race.
Barcia is riding with some broken bones in his wrist and probably just trying his best out there on the Daytona track. I imagine the pounding the wrist took on that track probably had him searching for the nearest ice bag immediately after the main event. Kudos to him for holding strong with the injury.
Let’s take a look at the results, shall we?
AMA Supercross Lites Class East:
1. Blake Baggett
2. Justin Barcia
3. Ryan Sipes Sipes is trying the whole “slow down to go fast” thing. It got him a podium.
4. Blake Wharton Wharton is Wharton. You just don’t really notice him all that much for some reason but he’s fast.
5. PJ Larsen Larsen well, good although he was kind of by himself all race.
6. Jason Anderson Anderson didn’t look good at any point in the day and perhaps his teammate Ian Trettel’s bad practice crash had something to do with it. Jason barely made the main but once in there had a good ride to get sixth.
7. Malcolm Stewart Mookie once again—wait for it—crashed. He’s really fast and will figure this thing out soon enough. He’s an easy top-five guy if he can smooth out.
8. Dean Wilson Wilson went off the track and crashed in the main but came from last to eighth on the treacherous Daytona track. He’s nine points back and in third in the points, which isn’t great.
9. Matt Lemoine
10. Les Smith
11. Lance Vincent Vincent had to go to the LCQ to make the main but his impressive rookie year continues.
12. Taylor Futrell
13. Alex Martin Martin is a solid eleventh in the points, right behind Vincent.
14. Levi Kilbarger
15. AJ Catanzaro
16. Hunter Clements
17. Nico Izzi Izzi was fast in practice and all night but crashes did him in. He falls into the Tommy Hahn category of having no real results to match his speed.
18. Kyle Keylon
19. Hunter Hewitt
20. Ryan Zimmer

Roczen finished eighth in his second Supercross class race ever.
Photo: Simon Cudby
1. Ryan Villopoto
2. Chad Reed Reed’s second was strong but to be honest, I thought he’d be a bit better. He wasn’t on JS or RV’s pace and a second was probably the best he could have hoped for.
3. Ryan Dungey Dungey is tied with RV for most podiums in the series (seven in nine races) and he rode well considering his starting gate position, but he’s yet to straight-up pass any of the top four guys in the last three or four races. He can’t rely on crashes and bad luck if he wants to win this thing.
4. Andrew Short After Indy this weekend, Short’s going out to California to test the 450 for outdoors. I also hear that Alessi will get the same chance as well to ride the bigger bike.
5. Davi Millsaps Millsaps was again pretty good on this night and when he got by Short he was in second for four laps. Then he got tired and dropped back his podium went bye-bye. Looking at the lap time charts, you can see that after lap ten, he really slowed down (4-5 seconds) while the guys around him were much more consistent. Still, he’s been much better lately.
6. Justin Brayton Brayton did what I thought Tedesco would do, ride steady and fast the entire race and end up doing pretty well. Brayton didn’t have his blazing speed but he was pretty steady. This was a Justin Brayton 2010 ride, not his new 2011 style.
7. Kevin Windham KW had a quiet night and took home a seventh.
8. Ken Roczen Kenny was a little more in control than usual and was rewarded with an eighth place. He’s done nothing in his two 450 races to indicate that he’s not going to be a great rider in the future.
9. James Stewart
10. Mike Alessi The most amazing thing about Mike’s night was his hit the gate in the heat race, came into the first turn in last, and somehow, in three-quarters of a lap, passed twelve guys to get into eighth at the end of lap one. That was pretty impressive.
11. Ivan Tedesco Tedesco was way back and just soldiered on the whole race with steady lap times. He said after that it was one of the gnarliest races he’s done.
12. Matt Boni Boni ties his best finish of the year. That’s two main events in a row for a guy that I think should be there every week.
13. Trey Canard Rough couple of races for Canard.
14. Michael Byrne Byrne owes a couple of guys some payback in the upcoming races, as he got cleaned out a couple of times.
15. Nick Wey Wey wasn’t feeling well all day but did the best he could. Incredibly, he has yet to finish inside the top ten this year (he’s got two elevenths) despite being one of only thirteen guys to make every main this year.
16. Fabien Izoird Saw Fabien inside the truck and asked him how was his first Daytona. He replied, “Crazy, man!” and kept walking.
17. Tye Simmonds
18. Brett Metcalfe Oh man, Metty crashed a couple of times to go with his crash in Atlanta and he’s beat up from the feet up. Don’t look for him this weekend in Indy as he tries to get healthy.
19. Chris Blose Blose twisted his ankle on lap two and tried to make it work but Daytona is pretty much the worst track to “try to make it work.”
20. Matthew Goerke Matt also twisted an ankle and was forced to pull off.
In the award for coolest gear of the night, it wasn’t even close. No one else could even hope to have anything as cool as the Fox retro gear that the boys rolled out for Dungey, Roczen, Barcia, and Wharton. And they are selling it! It’s just clean lines, a retro look that still holds up with all the new features that the modern stuff has. So yeah, this stuff and the Washougal retro gear from last year is what you would call mega-sweet. Dungey topped off his look with two different color Nike boots as well, a la RJ in ’86.
Saw Troy Adams there and he’s going to rise up and take on Michael Picone this summer in the Dade City Cup series and is hoping to go back to Canada this summer if he can. He is also a toothpick away from looking exactly like Razor Ramone.

Dungey was rockin two different colored boots at Daytona.
Photo: Simon Cudby
Jason Thomas is struggling bad since getting landed on by James Stewart at Houston. In the crash (which JT refuses to blame on Stewie) Thomas tore his ACL, matching his other knee, which also is torn. Thomas is barely riding during the week and is sort of just riding around out there. He just needs some time for his knee to try and repair itself before he can get back up to speed. Sucks to be JT right now, no doubt about it.
Austin Stroupe is certainly causing a lot of people in the pits to whisper about him and wonder what’s going on with him. Valli Yamaha team manager John Mitcheff was on the Pulpmx Show on Monday and talked a bit about the challenges working with Austin. It seems Austin doesn’t always make the best decisions on and off the track, and the team has benched him until, in John’s words, “he’s 100 percent healthy.” What Mitcheff left out is 100% healthy means body and mind.
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"As I said, you guys reading this have to get a ticket for a sx race in your area. "
Duly noted. Get back to me when there is one in the Northeast.
Great ride by Stewart however hes just starting to enforce his new nickname "fastest lawndart on the planet"
as entertaining it is to watch JS7 ride, you have to wonder why he doesnt drop it down to 95% so he can finish a race without cashing? Other riders could have gone balls out wide open but its obvious why thats not always a great idea, epecially in a long series.
TV VIEWER OBSERVATIONS: DAYTONA
We didn't get to see the Lites Heats or LCQs this year?????
Dungey had 7 laps where he was the fastest, 6 out of the last 8 laps. He just couldn't make up for a bad start. I think he is gonna be on it for Indy. RV and CR rode a smart race once again. We will be at Indy and I'm "Superpumped". lol. I know alot of people really like that saying......
Glad the KTM guys are gonna be allowed to ride the 450. Ive talked to a couple of privateers and they all say the 350 is a joke but then again im sure the ones they ride arent nearly as good as say short's or alessi's.
We have used alessi as a psuedo measuring stick, to indicate the lack of depth, in a field of riders, for comparison purposes. With all due respect to mike allessi:
"Mike’s decision to jump on the 450 for the 2007 Toyota AMA Nationals after only two seasons aboard a 250F had many people questioning the logic of the young Californian. He went into the outdoor season unsure of what to expect, but knowing that he could run top-ten and maybe even top-five. His predictions turned out to be fairly accurate as he spent the beginning of the outdoor series riding on the bubble of the top-ten. Then, with the reported arrival of a new rear shock that World GP racer David Philippaerts had been testing, Mike suddenly came alive over the fourth-of-July weekend at Red Bud. He grabbed one of his patented holshots and proceeded to race with both the semi-retired Ricky Charmichael and heir-apparent James Stewart. Although he didn’t know it, Red Bud was the place where Mike became a contender for the outdoor championship. Soon after Mike’s immergence as a weekly front-runner, series leader James Stewart started to falter when he seemed to be in total control of the series. Starting with a practice crash at Unadilla, and ending with a knee injuring foot-dab in Washougal, the door suddenly flung open for a host of riders to win the title. Most of which had previously fought over the second and third spots on the podium. One of those racers now in the title hunt was Mike Alessi. Mike would fight it out to the last moto at Glen Helen, grabbing a streak of second- and third-place finishes along the way, only to miss winning the championship for the third year running. This time, though, second place felt like a victory. He was partially injured and unsure of himself at the beginning of the summer, but by the end of it all, he knew that he had the speed to win a national championship.
With a switch to the Roger DeCoster led Rockstar/Makita Suzuki team, 2008 would be a combination of a fresh start and a carry-over of momentum for Mike. He debuted his new ride at the Rockstar Energy US Open, showing that he had picked up his supercross game during his short period with the team and that he’d be a title threat going into Anaheim I. The supercross season didn’t last long for Mike, though, after only five of seventeen rounds he was put onto the injured reserve with a broken collarbone. He wouldn’t line up at a gate again until the AMA Toyota Motocross Nationals kicked off near his own backyard.
When the outdoor series got underway at Glen Helen Raceway, it was no surprise that James Stewart, after withdrawing from the supercross series to fully repair and heal his injured knee, was on another level of speed compared to the rest of the field. What was interesting was that Mike had come off of an injury of his own to gap the rest of the pack by nearly the same margin that Stewart was beating him by. He quickly established himself as the second man to beat in the 450 class during the first five rounds of the series. On the opening lap of moto two at Red Bud, the same place that marked his immergence in 2007, Mike suffered a horrific crash that saw him landed on several times and left him unconscious. In an internet video four days later, he re-assured his fans that he was all right, although he will miss the rest of the season."
this is not the same guy we are seeing out there now. not sure what is going on with him. maybe that red bud crash spooked him or something.
Why is it that both James and Malcolm Stewart can't keep it on two wheels?
BA200, no doubt Stewie can let it all hang out like nobody else can, but it can take it's toll over the 17 race series. He must be one tough dude, he's taken some nasty spills and just keeps going! It's amazing to watch Superman fly around the track though!
how can you say reed wasn't on the pace with villopoto's did you look at the lap times. yea they are tenths of second difference but that is running the pace if not better???? reed would've been there to inherit the race had it not been for his bad start! RIGHT OR WRONG? JUST SAYING
Check your lap 12 stats
stewart 121.0
reed 120.1
........
only 1 lap stewie was fastest after the lawn dart.
I wouldnt really say he was handed the race when theres 16 laps to go. The lead obviously but not the race. Thats basically saying nobody had a chance to win aside from RV. Just my opinion anyway.
MATTHES WROTE:::::"every rider has a right to ignore the medical advice and continue racing. They just have to sign a waiver indicating they have understood they were advised to not race."
Your starting to make me angry matthes. Why are YOU,FELD, The AMA, all about stewey? anything for the golden boy. How come NOBODY SAW ANY WAVERS GETTING SIGNED??? It never happened. If Any Dr. would have seen James pupils, theres no way he'd be back on that bike. Nobody signed any wavers Matthes. stop throwing BS arguments for your buttdart. This is complete BS.
Reed had 3 bikes on top of him at houston and nobody helped, not even the honda guys. But the asterisk Medical guys will muscle James bike straight, bend his fenders back, and let a guy with a concussion ride 15 more laps on the gnarliest SX race all year. Clearly knowing he was Concussed. Matthes stop saying they cleared james and made him sign a waver. It never happened. If they did throw a quick waver in his face,,, He'd be too out of it know what he was signing. I'm calling you out Matthes. YOUr a LIAR. LIARS are the scum of the earth Matthes. How could you say such Bullspit????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
first track Short could twist the grip on...you cant rev on dry hard and slick good for him..
wow Trick your column was longer than Matthes.. ( you think anyone took the time to read it?)
Reed not on the pace? He was faster than Villapoto 9 out of 20 laps, 8 of the last 9 laps and only a 1/10th slower on the last lap. Don't you think trying to get around slower guys in the opening laps might have had something to do with it. Awesome race though, I was about 20 ft. from Stewart when he was trying to get back on his bike.
The comment that Reedy wasn't on RV or JS7's pace was a little unfair. Sure Stewie was in a class of is own in outright speed but CR posted quicker times than RV in 9 of the 20 laps listed above. No doubt RV was able to control the race from the front but if Reedy hadn't left his best (comparative) laps until the second half of the race he might've been more in the battle...
THEY PROBABLEY SIGHN THE WAVER BEFORE THE FIRST RACE OF THE SEASON EVEN STARTED. JUST SAYEN
Also, the Pit setup this year was the worst EVER!!! you could not even get close to the bikes to take a picture let alone close to the riders!
Hopefully they'll go back to last year's set up....#justsaying
"They just have to sign a waiver indicating they have understood they were advised to not race."
So here's how it goes, JS crashes like he did and then he goes to mount the bike... he falls, Medics say "hey james sign this if you want to ride"...
Thats classic!!!
I mean it would work for practice but...
Trick, regarding your Alessi comments: Before Roger DeCosters arrival at KTM, Mike was set to sit out the SX season because he's only being paid for the outdoors. Things being what they are (with his dad's past w/ DeCoster and the economy being what it is and the scarcity of factory rides), Mike decided it was in his best interest to ride the indoors (for zero $). I believe (which doesn't make it so) Mike is ***** footing through the SX season to be healthy for a title run outdoors. Also, the 350 experiment has not delivered in my opinion so, Mike could be a bit frustrated at the lack of compet*tiveness from that engine. I know the whole "Carioli did it in the G.P.s" argument but, G.P.s are not the U.S. scene in terms of equipment or talent (it's very possible the G.P. 350 is more than 350 and more than likely it's full-on works). We shall see come the MX series with Mike on comparable equipment if he is still capable of a title run. If not, I'll be the first to say it. If he is, there will be a lot of Alessi un-fans that will be looking quite foolish. Worst case scenario, Ryan Dungey will be more than happy to leave his unpaid bonuses at Suzuki behind and rejoin the man.
I really enjoyed reading this weeks observations article. I'll bet the author is a real keen fellow with a lot of knowledge, maybe an ex- pro racer???? keep up the great work! sicerely, Hodaka
Nice!!! I vote for that lap chart in sign of the lap times every week! That's good bench racin' right there.
I think Stewie just had some bad luck. Yes, he was fast, but it wasn't his speed that did him in, it was just a little mistake on a jump. Can happen to anyone, especially with the poor lighting that so many of the riders commented about.
i thought everyone put on a great ride.
open class, i only felt bad and posted that, because i too, was guilty of using his name synonomously with "lack of field depth" which isn't really fair to the guy, all things considered. On a 450 he might be the allessi of old, which will make this summer even more interesting imo.
endoman if you dont like my posts then dont read them.
@Endo4 , i really dont care if you read my posts, or agree with me. I am not doing it for you. It is for the newer fans, who are being constantly bombarded with inaccurate, idiotic statements, that seem to be the foundation for their knowledge of this sport. The truth is, i am out of work right now, and have a lot of free time on my hands. On the one hand, i know that i look like a cyber-nerd who doesn't have a real life, with all my stupid articles, but as i said, i do enjoy looking it up, and figuring it all out. it keeps my brain moving, for when i get a new job, ya know.
sorry if my persistence and tenacity is annoying to you, that is not what im tryng to do at all. In my opinion, it is the fault of racer-x, for not publishing relevant information, intertwined within the current article, to help educate all of these newer fans, and keep them abreast of what actually happened in history.
Again, i know i am a cyber-nerd for being on here in the first place. for anyone who doesnt want to read my researched comments, then please dont read them. But i hope that some of you will find it useful, even entertaining, since i have done all of the work for you. i am enjoying the refresher course myself !
no hard feelings to anyone. MOTO RULES !
I am a Reed fan. But common guys be realistic? did ya's watch the race? Reed was right on Millsaps only for Millsaps to gap him and pass short. Reed road a horrible first half a race. I thought his line selection was a little off. Probably due to the "living track". Second half of the race he was the man, no doubt. But I think Matthes comments are very fair. It was not Reed's main event.
As for the JS7 banter. I ain't really a fan. Not at all. But what a brave strong ride. Give the guy a break. The crash could of happen to anyone for starters. The only reason he fell over was cause he kicked the rear guard. And than showed heart which i don't think alot of us thought he had and rode till the end, in what looked like a pride ride more than anything.
As for the the rules brought up by Matthes. Those *****ing that he is full of shit. Seriously do u honestly think u have more of an idea? I know common ruling is unless you are carted off with a real injury where paper work is filled out. There is no reasoning not to be aloud to ride. But again I have no idea in supercross either. So I will take Matthes word.
I dont know .. Jairtime, Why do the stewart brothers crash , unlike the OTHER riders that never crash at all , I am sure you will give a pointy hat reason , so lets hear it !
I really enjoyed this column. Thank you for posting it.
I once read a story of a man who won a running race when everybody said he couldn't. When asked what his secret to running was, he replied that he was deaf.
Imagine where this world would be if everybody followed the advice of negative people.
I really enjoyed this column. Thank you for posting it.
I once read a story of a man who won a running race when everybody said he couldn't. When asked what his secret to running was, he replied that he was deaf.
Imagine where this world would be if everybody followed the advice of negative people.
no disrespect to anyone on here...
"I dont have to "do my homework" to know what happened, I watched every single race then. RC broke his collarbone at Glen Helen, and it wasnt really a bad crash. He was leading and fell over. He already won the title, it kept him from the Des Nations that year"
clip from a magazine article:
"carmichael crashed violently today in the first moto of the Glen Helen National. He was leading the 450 race when he swapped coming down a steep hill, landing on his shoulder. He was x-rayed and treated at the track, then left immediately for the flight back to Florida, where he will see a specialist. "
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF33k8yqz9Q (that is windham that crashes first, its not rickys fault.)
Honestly, I don't remember EXACTLY what happened either, and i am learning a bit as I go. Its FUN, you guys should try it sometime.
peace to all.
wrong video in that post (rc on a honda duh) still looking for it. stay tooned.
All these guys saying asterik helped James ....he was getting on the bike and fell and they helped him up like they would anyone....anyone remember roczen getting picked up like a baby at PHX ?....James obviously was dazed but he remounted started his bike under his own power.....also asterik didn't touch his fender....watch the race...it went back into place after the first jump James did...dorks!....go RV
If Dungey has podiums at 7 of the 9 rounds and one of those was a mechanical DNF, then why does it seem like he is left out of the conversations when it comes to talking about the championship? He normaly builds momentum through out the season. I wouldn't count him out yet. Bubba has only 1 podium in the last 4 rounds.
ok i cant find a video of it. just that mag clip ,sorry.
Stewie did avoid getting lapped because he ignored the blue flags being waved at him. I don`t understand why he should get away with that one. Also the flaggers were waving the flags too early in front of RV because Alessi pulled over to let Stewert by when RV was behind Stewi WOW seems like they did everything they could to help their hometown boy there.
Mathes....."a little koo-koo" ha ha ha I'll say!!
man I still can't beleive Stewart shook that one off and rode like he did post crash! that's grit man....
When a rider enters a competition they sign a waiver. Then the onus is on the rider whether they want to continue or not. JS7 had a horrific crash which would have everyone else laying in the back of the golf buggy. Give him a break he got up and kept going. Champion effort needs praise not smack talk.
Great racing for all concerned, a great t.v. show for the supercross world.
I believe RV will clean up this year, but all others are making him work for it.
Love the "lawndart" tag.
Matthes get off stewey's nuts. He already had to stop Larry from swinging from em'. LKN is saying it right. Where was the "WAIVER" Matthes. Did james sign it while he couldn't stand on his own 2 feet. Efff you Matthes, you biased piece of dirt. I hope every rider and every fan raises he!! because of the reason WHY WAS JAMES ABLE TO RIDE after being completely concussed. This fagg makes mistakes and jumps on people when he's right, let alone Dazed n confused. Somebody's gotta be with me here. Asterisk guys werent going to let Tyla rattray ride after a crash at A2. And his crash was nothing compared to james. Tyla had to get a complete evaluation before he could ride. Mitch didn't think asterisk would let tyla ride. So how can james get away with it?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????
James is a Lawndart and Matthes is a buttdart
OrganDoner writes "If Any Dr. would have seen James pupils, theres no way he'd be back on that bike."
When we are discussing the brain different size pupils whether they be large, small, asymmetrical or un-reactive indicate severe brain trauma. Often caused by increased pressure to the brain.
I would think that the both the Asterisk and Daytona medical staff are more then capable of making decisions at this level of racing.
If JS did suffer a concussion which so many people seem to think he did. Grade 1 maybe grade 2 (unless you think LOC of < 5min is a grade 2)
Ecneics ot niarb sih detanod eh ebyam? Go figure
r/c and bubbas greatest crashes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3TOIfy85s
The conspiracy is in your mind, dear Wade Henderson. If the flags were waving for Stewart then they have to be waved early so he can, um, see them. If it truly was too early, why should James slow for RV? You can't have it both ways.
Like I said at Vurb, the flags are waved to prevent lappers from slowing down the leaders' pace. If the leaders never catch the lapper, what case do you have?
Also, I'm currently working on a 'Super Pumper' machine that will pacify the perpetually enraged OrganDoner through hypnotics and transfer his hatred for Steve Matthes directly into the veins of Ryan Dungey so that he may finally have the drive to outrun the rest of the field. Would you like that, OrganDoner? If your anger could be harnessed for something productive?
WHAT ABOUT BARCIA AND HIS GOAT BEARD? BAA!!! BAA!!!
You people are crazy ! ! Really !
Right on wade.He should have pulled over, and let Villopoto by.They should have waited til Villopoto was bye before waving them at all. Probably just because it's in Flordia.
Oops ! Sorry for the typ.o maybe he donated his brain to science. Go figure !
"every rider has a right to ignore the medical advice and continue racing"
Thats BS, if someone has a concusion he or she should be stoped.
The rider puts the other people at the track in a great risk of being hurt.
Ive had friends who riden with a concusion, they thankfully didnt hurt anyone but they didnt remember riding a single lap after the crash.
Good article Steve.
Do some of u think if a rider has a big crash they should sign a waiver or have a medical examination before they continue?
If a rider says he is ok & he is talking coherently why shouldn't he get back on the track ASAP.
The Asterisk guys have been doing this for a while now, I think they know what they are doing. They do a fantastic service for all the riders!!!!
I do wonder what position JS7 would have made it up to if the Asterisk crew weren't on the scene or so efficient.
JS7 showed great heart & determination to finish the race, let alone make it up to 9th
I'M REALLY GLAD THAT IT ALL WORKED OUT THE WAY IT DID. It makes this great season even more interesting.
Does anyone ever win on these type forums?
I mean everyone is always right or knows more than the next post?
With this being the best SX season we've seen in a while I was wondering if this is the best forum blogging ever?
Does anyone come back after a bad post and regroup and post something worthwhile?
If I post something stupid or wrong do I need to sign a wavier to continue posting or can I just jump back on and start typing?
Lap 12, you have Stewarts lap in bold. Stewart was a 1:21.0 and Reed was a 1:20.1
Last time I checked, 1:20.1 is faster than 1:21.0. This also means that Stewart was only the fastest guy on the track for one lap, after his crash.
Matthes has made mistakes, been biased and ruffled a lot of feathers (mine included). That said, he is just doing his job which happens to be something he is passionate about, as are most of us. James Stewart is a polarizing individual and any post with him as topic usually has one of the longer "reply" threads indicating popularity. What's a guy to do? Not talk about him? I agree there are more deserving topics that maybe could be mixed in with "All Bubba, all the time" but, they are giving the "public" what they want by talking "lawndart" 24/7 (if not in reality, certainly in their perception). No, I don't need more Bubba but, what am I gonna do? write my congressman?
OrganDonor....Shut the ***** up!!! STFU!!! Do you think that maybe it would come AFTER the race?? The things he is talking about about apply to every racer asshole!! It's ultimately the riders decision, what are they gonna do?? Yank him off the bike?? You're just pissed off because Stewart got back on the bike and salvaged points and is still in the hunt, it sure as HELL is not because you arte concerned about JS welfare. Shut your mouth you hate spewing idiot!!
Not to compare but (watch me do it anyway), Eric Johnson wrote articles that had nothing to do with the "top five" riders and were thoroughly informative, well written and left me feeling better for the experience. Where you at EJ?
Funny , last week Matthes was on Reed's nuts and now this weeks Stewarts? Make up your mind folks....Matthes (albeit not the best) is a journalist and some folks are reading into it to too much....He has to write about something....this week it's Stewart week. He impressed just about everyone, whether it be his crash or his rebound to take 9th.
Here is a lesson for the bench racers. Blue flags are waived to let riders know that the leaders are coming up behind them and the lapped rider, as his discretion is to do what he can to avoid interfering with the leaders. Blue Flags do not mean " stop and pull over" like Alessi did...Like a yellow caution flag it lets the rider know someone is down and what the rider chooses to do is up to them. There are rules on what a rider can do under they yellow flags but blue flags are more or less "hey the leaders are coming, dont be a dick and get in the way" ....james didnt break any rules regarding the blue flags and RV wasnt close enough for him to take any action on letting RV pass..Alessi is an idiot for pulling over and obviously wasnt paying attention....besides, watch the video, JS7 was a full straight behind him and caught up to him in 2 turns....Alessi was done....
....by the way, did YOU see James pupils??? Didn't think so!! Have you ever fallen down and gotten up shaky?? Ever stood up too quick and been dizzy?? Does it mean you shoyld have gone to the hospital?? The guy hit his fender while trying to get back on and fell down. OBVIOUSLY he was "ok" enough to go out and put in good laps, guys get back up from crashes all the time. Like i said, you're just pissed he finished the race cuz' you KNOW he still has a shot at this thing!!
How many of you guys have seen a man with a "concussion" run 50 yards in the exact correct direction to "knowing full well where his bike is", start it, turn it around and blast off like nothing happened??? I doubt he was even a little concussed, just shaken. If you analyze his crash, it looks like he transferred the impact throughout his body with a sweet ninja roll. I bet his back hurts more than anything.
"James got up, and although he was a little koo-koo, grabbed his bike and because his fender was up from the crash, he hit that and fell down. Had his fender been normal, he would have slung a leg over."
WTH are you smoking? He bounced off a PLASTIC fender and went down faster than Paris Hilton......
great article. shitty followers.
for the most part you ppl suck. you speculate about shit you dont have a clue about. I mean you are trying to prove a guy wrong that does this for a living. he is there every weekend and knows inside info that you couldnt even dream up.
just go back to work and hopefully u can ride your ttr-125 tonight!
Not to mention he first went to pick up a bright red tuff block thinking it was his bike......
Hey Trick you leave some of the best posts keepem going! Calsbad you also are good. I like the idots also tey make my day AKA jartime and a foew others LOL. I alway like Mathes's aticles they are not as deep as DC's.
Ans a response I never gave to TRICK about chaging Cranks and/or cases between motos I was my own wrench I was fast did it in the days before power tools , Had a Mark Charles stand and could basicly spit the cases in the frame befroe I swapped cranks that I had already for spares and shimed and trued ready to go. Took me about 30mustes or less. I could tell the factory wrenches a lot more I built my own foctory trasmisions back in the day. How do you holeshot all of the supposudly fasrt 125 elsinores on a Silver tank YZ 125 in the 125 pro/expert class , you build it yourself, The engine could not last 2 30 mnt motos Never mind one 40 plus 2 lap moto LOL
No retard. He wasn't about to ride the tuff block. It was either one of 2 things: He had a split second moment of giving up and sitting down, or it was a camera angle trick and he was actually motioning to his bike but also stopping to take a breath. Watch it without sound so you don't have listen to clueless anouncers telling you what to think.
Hey Trick, why did you devote so many paragraphs to a turd like Alessi? He will NEVER win an AMA title in SX or MX. His best chance came in 2009. "Believe the hype?" Yeah, the hype that he and his family are a bunch of turds that need to be flushed.
acejas33......I don't even have a sound card in my work computer, it's just what the video shows. It doesn't surprise me, his head was clearly scrambled. There's no way the medics should have let him on the track regardless of how well it worked out. It was dangerous for him and could have been for others. They basically lifted him off the ground when he fell on his ass and held his bike for him and supported him when he got on. That's the red flag right there. Being winded and getting back on alone is one thing, and that's not what happened at Daytona, not even close. It was a good ride after the fact regardless though.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. No worries. I admit he looked loopy to me when I first saw it, but just looked injured (body wise) when watching again. I think it was a good ride afterward because he was still mentally all there. I wish James would just talk to the media more and clear it all up.
LOL... i thought you were kidding welker! you should have gone pro !
Whoa whoa wait a minute, whats wrong with a TTR? It may not be much but its a dirt bike and it rips! Dick!
banjopete retardcross and monster, would you guys pass that one over here, and share with the rest of us please?
Talking to the media would clear nothing up, he dosen't give interviews that provide meaningful insight or information into what is really happening with him or @ JSE.
Most recent example would be the Lary Brooks departure story.
One of the many reasons that James is so polarizing to the community of SX/MX race fans.
Hey Trick, why did you devote so many paragraphs to a turd like Alessi? He will NEVER win an AMA title in SX or MX. His best chance came in 2009. "Believe the hype?" Yeah, the hype that he and his family are a bunch of turds that need to be flushed.
monster (your name serves you well monster) its called a cut n paste and took me 2 minutes. i didnt write it myself. alessi came in 2nd place, in both of his 125 years outdoors, got 2nd behind stewart 10 motos in a row, and was leading villopoto in points after nine rounds, of villopotos first season outdoors, and got on the 450 podium in his second pro race ever...
if you still hate him for his kill switch and t shirts, then you are a MONSTER because it was over 6 years ago. you must need some counseling.
SXFAN, that is hillarious! Whack posters need to be cleared from the webmaster to continue posting after being diagnosed "Concussed" from three or more posters........probably means I'm out............whatever, will you start my tuff block for me??
Hey Trick did not go pro due to some health problems raced with the best in many of the big outlaw money races. That is why I ot the first 125 yz monoshock besides the Facort guy's at least that is what Donnie Emler told me when I got it cauae I had to give him the seial nbr before he told me what mods he reccomended, he said he thought he had the only ones there in his shop lol. WE used to talk engine and frame mods back then. I worked at a major race shop in the midwest. I was just loyal to Yamaha. I did race some pretty trick bikes back in the day. That YZ would not have passed Tech for todays AMA rules. There were a lot of fast guys back then in the mid 70'sI think on that bike the rear hub was the only part that was stock????
welker i had a yz125c '75, with a redone shock, otherwise it was stock. my first race bike,
Wilson crashed and came from last to EIGHTH (not 9th, but 8th!!!) on the treacherous Daytona track. WOW....we should all bow down and kiss his ass over and over and over. Oh, wait, he's not Stewart, so screw him right? I mean, not only is he not black, but he's even whiter than white...he's Canadian. Great ride Deano, even if it is being overlooked by the media. Get back in it and win this title. If you can't win it, then at least rattle Barcia's cage every chance you get.
southernboy, Wilson said he is actually Scottish..Its where he was born.
Lets say JS did not race this race for whatever reason
We would not have anything to discuss here
The laps times were very close, yeah someone did a second better on a certain lap.
But RV would have won, Reed a couple seconds back, then RD
HO HUM boring race
Indy is this weekend and its live once again
And once again we will be here racing to be the #1 blogger during the week
If we could all sit in the same room we could talk for hours
Ain't this sport grand, especially this season
Ya Trick the 125 C monoshock did not need much work ecept I modified the tranny so I could shift under full throttle and changeg some gear ratios in the tranny, Ported it myself, The monoshock I lmade some internal mods and oil changes along with setting the Nitrogen presure to fit the track. Also threw away the fork springs modified the fork tubes and ran Nitrogen forks before Yamaha did it on the canisters. I also had a long rod 85 YZ 250 with a yz 60 ignition and a lot of other tricks. I knew how to build shocks and forks and could make the Yamaha transmissions work better. I should have been a factory Mechanic lol
I would like to see if I could build a fast 4 stroke they take a flow bench and a lot of trial and error to make fast, then you gotta worry about valve overlap and cam timing. That is whay 4 strokes cost so much to make fast? Speed cost money how fast do you wanna go??
My YZ had a shift kit in it, cuz it had a false nuetral between 2nd and 3rd. At pontiac silverdome, in the amatuer race, i pulled the semi-holie top 3 or 4, then hit that false neutral. the shock had a reeder airbag, and i had air fittings in the fork caps, no nitrogen though. and a 520 chain, trelleborgs all around. it was fast enough for me since i was just a novice.
Trick, I enjoy reading your well~researched, knowledgeable, and literate posts, complete with references...are you an engineer or something? Good luck with the job search, in the meantime keep on posting!
Welker, I remember the Elsinore days in the 125cc class as well...I LOLed at your mention of the bikes that were so ported that the rings would only last 1 moto hahaha! The DMC Kawis and the CH Hondas whaled on all other alphabet soup mini~factories...that was the heyday of So. Calif. moto (snif).
MY head hurts now!!! LOL
1 ?? OrganDoner, How do YOU know JS had a concussion?? Did you make that up or is it a Fact??
Like you said get some tickets. I did to bad i have to travel 12 hr drive with the family to Toronto from Foxboro Ma. PLEASE BRING A RACE TO THE NORTHEAST!!!!!!
Thanks francisco. imo, the old days were more fun, because there was so much more stuff you could do to them. that was half the fun, tricking out your bike. The suspesion revolution was nuts, because many a garage welder/engineer, had their bikes come apart on the track. (i am a mechanical designer, who works with engineers, but in astronomy, not racing. ) What was it like designing those Bultaco's, what was thier unique feature, iyo?
TRICK, Bultacos had a bad rep for being fragile, when actually they were quite reliable when given proper TLC. Major trouble spots were the primary chain(!), lousy carburetion (pop a Mikuni on there), leaky fork and shock seals, and L~shaped piston rings (sealed better, but the metallurgy back then was sketchy, particularly under high~temp, high stress conditions). The handling of those Buls was unmatched back in the day, IMO...I rode pretty much everything back then (CZ, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, AJS, Husqvarna),nothing inspired the confidence of the Pursangs. The 1975 250 and 360 Pursang Mk8 Bultacos were the most beautiful bikes ever created, with the exception of DeCoster's factory Honda with the aluminumRibi quadrilateral forks. Now THAT was ultimate trickness!
You'll like this link...remember the boost bottle?
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/JODYS-ANCIENT-ARTIFACTS-OF-AMERICAN-MOTOCROSS-Conc-3031.aspx
Thumbs up, brah.
I like the comoradre that's taking place here! Alls thats missing is the smell of solvent, red silicone and Keystone light! lol good times!!!!!
i had a hodaka wombat just before i started racing, that i used for trails and stuff. nothing felt like a hodaka. those forks are bizzarre! my personal favorites were the luft hydraulic chain tensioner, the rokon! , the wrinkle fin cappra, and those cool die-cut JTracing stickies. and of course the smell of bean oil,... im starting to cry too, i have to go now. cheers.
Hey trick,
What you call the wrinkle fin cappra is the Montesa Vekhonen Replica Cappra 250VR. I raced against it when they were new. Man, that was one pretty bike.
Maybe Stewart should have been disqualified (or his points forfeited) for not slowing down and letting the race leaders by. Villopoto might have felt threatened by having his biggest competition in the series trying to get close to him when he's a lap down, just so he could take a cheap shot. I know how it is when somebody is being lapped and they're fast enough to stay ahead the whole race, it's acceptable, but when you have two guys battling for the series points lead, and Stewart is just about a whole lap down, it looks suspect for Stewart to "innocently" be hanging around where Villopoto was riding, while totally ignoring blue flags. Sounds like Stewart was just itching to pull a Reed on Villopoto.
@shop talker, they didn't make 'keystone light' back then. DO some RESEARCH man ? ! ?....
Actully it was 'miller hi life i believe' ! LOL !
Great write up steve,
I just watched the race again, and it was a great one. I was wondering if there is any penalty for ignoring the blue flags. Stewart just ignored them all night and probably made up a few extra positions by passing guys who were doing the right thing and moving out of the way of the leaders when they say the blue flags. I know it was James Stewart and all but the rules should be applied to everyone equally.
Not sure what your all on. It's plain to see Stewart didn't even hit his head. It was a narly(?) get off but pretty lucky the way he fell. He was more likely a little disorientated than hurt.