by Chase Stallo
Sign Of The Lap Times: San Diego
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 | 10:20 AM
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PrintRound seven of Monster Energy Supercross from bright and sunny...err...muddy San Diego once again proved that this year could be the deepest Supercross class in the past decade. Chad Reed's victory makes four different winners through seven rounds. Superb. And to think defending champion Ryan Dungey has yet to grace the top of the box. But enough about the race, onto the lap charts, brought to you by Motion Pro.
AMA Supercross
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 4 |
55.497 |
3 |
59.541 |
Trey Canard |
| 2 | 1 |
55.813 |
6 |
57.969 |
Chad Reed |
| 3 | 3 |
56.193 |
3 |
59.286 |
James Stewart |
| 4 | 2 |
56.850 |
12 |
58.142 |
Ryan Dungey |
| 5 | 7 |
56.926 |
4 |
58.648 |
Ryan Villopoto |
| 6 | 8 |
57.226 |
4 |
59.424 |
Brett Metcalfe |
| 7 | 6 |
57.601 |
2 |
59.661 |
Andrew Short |
| 8 | 5 |
57.827 |
4 |
59.106 |
Davi Millsaps |
| 9 | 10 |
58.153 |
8 |
1:00.647 |
Justin Brayton |
| 10 | 9 |
58.282 |
4 |
59.851 |
Mike Alessi |
| 11 | 18 |
58.350 |
3 |
1:06.577 |
Austin Stroupe |
| 12 | 15 |
58.509 |
7 | 1:03.901 |
Ivan Tedesco |
| 13 | 13 |
59.575 |
4 |
1:02.700 |
Fabien Izoird |
| 14 | 11 |
59.614 |
6 |
1:02.015 |
Nick Wey |
| 15 | 12 |
59.812 |
8 |
1:02.191 |
Kyle Regal |
| 16 | 20 |
1:00.419 |
2 |
1:12.492 |
Kevin Windham |
| 17 | 14 |
1:00.577 |
4 |
1:03.003 |
Chris Blose |
| 18 | 19 |
1:01.015 |
2 |
1:02.518 |
Weston Peick |
| 19 | 16 |
1:01.522 |
7 |
1:04.681 |
Michael Byrne |
| 20 | 17 |
1:02.144 |
4 |
1:07.954 |
Maxime Lesage |
For the second straight week a new rider has taken the crown of fastest lap. In San Diego it was American Honda's Trey Canard that turned in the fastest lap of the night with a 55.497. If not for a couple of costly mistakes Canard might have grabbed his second consecutive victory.
Canard set the fastest lap in San Diego.
Photo: Garth Milan
Andrew Short is slowly but surely making adjustments to fit his style to the KTM 350SX-F, and it sure seems like the hard work is paying off. Short ran inside the top-five for a majority of the race before getting nipped by Davi Millsaps at the end for fifth. Still, Short has shown steady improvement over the course of the season and showed it with the seventh fastest lap of the night.
AMA Supercross Lites
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 1 |
55.489 |
2 |
57.312 |
Eli Tomac |
| 2 | 2 |
56.309 |
14 |
57.843 |
Tyla Rattray |
| 3 | 4 |
56.693 |
15 |
57.703 |
Cole Seely |
| 4 | 7 |
56.845 | 13 |
59.087 |
Ken Roczen |
| 5 |
3 |
56.974 |
14 |
57.712 |
Broc Tickle |
| 6 | 5 |
57.577 |
5 |
59.199 |
|
| 7 | 10 |
57.820 |
3 |
1:02.090 |
Kyle Cunningham |
| 8 | 6 |
58.084 |
4 |
59.315 |
Josh Hansen |
| 9 | 8 |
58.365 |
7 |
1:00.315 |
Ben Evans |
| 10 | 9 |
58.905 |
8 |
1:01.494 |
Ryan Morais |
| 11 | 11 |
59.682 |
11 |
1:01.313 |
Antonio Balbi |
| 12 | 14 |
59.949 |
12 |
1:03.006 |
Tommy Weeck |
| 13 | 12 |
1:00.291 | 8 |
1:02.783 |
Martin Davalos |
| 14 | 15 | 1:00.384 |
9 |
1:02.722 |
Nick Paluzzi |
| 15 | 16 | 1:00.648 |
14 |
1:03.479 |
Casey Hinson |
| 16 | 13 |
1:01.126 |
14 |
1:02.677 |
Ryan Smith |
| 17 | 17 |
1:01.246 |
11 |
1:03.271 |
Scott Champion |
| 18 | 19 |
1:02.074 |
2 |
1:08.082 |
Dakota Tedder |
| 19 | 18 |
1:02.753 |
5 |
1:04.313 |
Travis Bright |
| 20 | 20 |
1 Lap |
1 Lap |
1 Lap |
Kyle Beaton |
Wow! What a showing put in by GEICO Honda's rookie Eli Tomac. Taking advantage of a great start Tomac looked like a one-man demolition crew in San Diego, pounding out fast lap after fast lap. But his fastest of the night was a 55.489 (more on that later).
Tomac set the fastest lap of the night en route to his first career SX victory.
Photo: Garth Milan
What a rollercoaster ride for German import Ken Roczen. After taking his first heat win of the season Roczen looked primed to contend for a win at San Diego. But a bad start and two crashes later left Roczen buried deep in the pack. But the resilient rookie made his way all the way back to seventh and in the process set the fourth fastest lap of the night. Kudos to the German.
But, back to the one-man show Eli Tomac. Only three riders set a fast lap under 56 seconds. As previously mentioned two of those riders were Chad Reed and Trey Canard, with the third being Tomac. That shows just how fast Tomac was pounding through the slop of San Diego. While the track was more beat up for the Supercross class, let us not forget that Tomac is at a 200cc disadvantage. Well done, Eli!
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and Tomac had the fastest average lap time of all - 250 or 450 !
So did Rattray and Seely, and Tickle.. The track got worse as the night went on.
Yea, Eli did great, but the track was pretty fresh when he set the fastest lap. His lap times were 2-3 sec slower on the last 10 laps. Eli did a great job though!!!
Wow what a mess the #'s are this week. Yes ride4ever is right, The track was much worce for the 450 guys.
I don't care what anyone says Tomac set the fastest lap time period! Although it was only .oo8 seconds faster than TC. But having a a average time of .657 seconds faster than Reed is impressive. Yeah yeah the track was pretty bad by the time the Big bikes got out there, but it was raining when the lites guys were racing too!!!
To bad KR went down would have been cool to see him and tomac go at it. KR was super fast in the heat.
Tomac was extremely impressive in SD, he checked out early and was gone by the 6th lap of the race. He kept clicking off perfect laps and seemed to just get faster and faster with each one. It was a great ride to be able to see! I thought Reed had done the same thing, he continued to ride aggressive and seemed to be getting faster with each open lap. Just goes to show that Canard was fast and barring the 2 crashes probably could have won this race. Not trying to take anything from Reed... his laps looked flawless and he was hauling! Congrats to both Reed and Tomac great rides!
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Not to take anything from Reedy cause im pumped on the win, but Canard would have won if he had backed it down just a little
I wasn't trying to take anything away from Eli. Just an observation about the 450 guys. The extra power of the big bikes isn't really that helpful in the slop like that. Darn, I was thinking it might be Roczen's night. It would have been awesome to see Eli and Roczen do battle in the mud!! Yea Bill, the numbers were crazy.......
Don't forget that the main is shorter for the Lites guys-- it's harder to hold on to that average the longer ya gotta go. That being said, Tomac was effin quick, and nobody had anything for him.
I was there for this one and Tomac was on another planet. BUT the track was completely prepped, both whoop sections were knocked down and resurfaced, so it's not right to compare the two races. Canard was on another planet before he tipped over in front of Reed who was also on another level compared to the rest.
Wow so impressed with Eli's ride! For being a rookie and having a difficult track plus the mud and plus its one of the first times he has been in the lead he handled it like he has done it every weekend. If he can keep this speed he will be dominating. Also expected RV2 to have a faster lap time but he was battling thro the pack tho. Awesome racing have been waiting for a points battle like this for a couple years.
Forget who had the Best lap!! The avg fastest lap is what's going to win you the race and check out REEDS time compared to Canard's...
Looks like Dungey is hauling too. RVs average lap will be a litle low since he had to go get his rear fender removed, but Dungey was flying. Which is good to see since the track was muddy. Reed was absolutley flying too, he was in the zone at San Diego.
RD has been on it. The DNF is what cost him. Right now Reedy and Canard are still in the mix. Any of the top 3 have any DNF and they will lose like 4 spots. Its that tight. JS has been the luckiest. He landed on the tuff block at Houston after colliding with Thomas. If thats not being lucky then I dont know what you call that. He then rode terrible last wkd and got a 3rd. This is turning out to be one of the best seasons. A privateer winning on a 450 class-Reedy 's win was Epic.
It's going down to Vegas. Be there!
another thing to check out is the AMA results website, they show the lap by lap times...the lap times are all over the place....crazy night
http://results.amasupercross.com/index.php?e=07&w=1
Reed is not a "privateer"
bd200, they omit a lap from the average if it is 120% slower than their fastest lap. I believe they did it for his 2nd lap which was 1:06.017. I think his avg would have been slower if they counted it, but I'm not positive. I don't feel like averaging that many #"s.
If Reed's not a privateer, than what is he? He's not factory. Just cuz he's rich doesn't mean he's not a privateer. I wonder when the last time a privateer won a premier main?
bd200, never mind, his best lap was 56.926 and 120% of that lap would be 108.112. So all his laps were averaged in. Sorry! Yea, those were really fast laps he was putting down. if you take out the 106.017 lap and do the average, it would be 58.238 sec. Which was still a little off Reed and Dungey's pace, but that was fast for him since he had to pass everyone!
Damn, I'm an idiot! The 120% rule looks like it only applies to average qualifying lap times not race times. Sorry for my number rambling!!! They do average all race laps.......
acejas,, I really think you're reaching now.. Its pretty obvious that Reed is NOT your average " privateer."
Stewart really fell off pace at the end of the race. In the last 6 laps RV made up 26 seconds on JS7
Pull lap 1 out of the equation and refigure the avg lap time. Then tell me where RV stands. I want to see if that doesn't give him the fastest avg by a good margin. Plus it was hard for RV to set the fastest lap while dodging his way through traffic.
Im just saying that as all statistics you can make them say what you want by tweaking them. Seriously though. RV was hauling mail to get to 7th when he was 20 seconds back before lap one was even over.
Can someone please explain this average lap time to me? Does it only calculate laps where a rider doesn't crash? Does it start at lap two instead of lap one? Because if neither of these are true and it counts every lap it should be the same as the finishing order right?
Henni#709, the first lap of the race wasn't calculated in the average lap times, because it was included with the start. but on lap 2, Villo had a 106.017 and if you take that lap out of the average, his average would have been 58.238 instead of 58.648. That's 3rd best behind Reed and Dungey, but good time considering he had so many guys to pass!!
The average lap time does not include the first lap
RV was SICK!!! When he moved into 9th he was 10sec behind Metcalfe and passed him in like 3 laps or less.My Hat is off to REED as well but RV killed it IMO for what he had to over come. He was going by guys so fast he looked like he was on a dry track LOL. RV has come from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back 3 times this year, I don't think anyone else except JS could come thru the pack like he does.
Thank you dz, I was so confused. Lol.
TDeath21, I have been paying attention lately how they do the times. And to the best of my knowledge if the finish line is close to the start gate then they will start lap one as soon as they pass the transponder at the finish line. If the finish line is near the end of the track then as soon as they pass the finish line that ends lap one, but since it would include the start out of the gate the time wouldn't be the same as the other laps. Therefore, they omit lap one and start timing laps 2-20 to figure average lap times.
dz958, sometimes the first lap is included if the start is closer to the start gate.
Oops I meant the finish line is nearer to the start gate.
Houston was the only track this year so far to post lap one times.
Thanks MXMofo !! Atleast someone knows what I mean. Reed is the team owner, so he paid to get things going and probably all the "operational" bills, that is what "owners" do....But you think Bel Ray is only giving Reed free chain lube for all those logo's he is sporting all over the place, same with Fox/ Shift.....Satellite team may be the name they used to call it....Reeds team is not much different than Pro Circuit - Kawasaki, only Mitch doesnt race. He gets "some" parts from Honda (these are the parts you can not buy obviously) and he gets all the information a factory rider would get from Honda....He is not a factory rider, but he is closer to a factory rider than he is a privateer in my opinion.
Redbeard65 I disagree with you totally. Reed is just the richest privateer out there that's all. He is privateer by every definition. If you were a racer and went to Honda with talent you could get what reed is getting, same with Pro Circuit. The fact that Reed has a semi is because he chooses (from Experience) to have a full effort to put him in a position to win races. Sponsors advertise where they can get exposure so Bel Ray who is competing with Lucas and AMS OIL and Royal Purple has got an endorsement deal which any privateer can get as well. The fact that they have their name on the side of a semi truck crossing the country is what they have to negotiate with a larger team verses a pickup truck rear window. The number Reed threw out there last night on the podcast was 2 million dollars for a budget..... that is out of pocket so look at it how you like he is a privateer spending money but positioning himself properly to run a profitable team.
OK mrwhirlwind,, then KW is a privateer also..
KW is team manager not owner
I think the difference is whether the factory comes to you or if you go to the factory.
Reed has the same pull as a Dad with a mini in the trailer, you try to offset costs with endorsements and sponsors, every rider turning pro has sponsors and many amateurs have them as well. Factory teams and satellite teams pay the riders like employees plus prize money, a privateer lives off of sponsors and prize money. I can see how you are confused.Think of it this way, are you an employee or self employed? If you are self employed you will understand if you are an employee your business owner will understand.
mrwhirlwind,,, I think you missed my point.. You said--- "Reed has the same pull as a Dad with a mini in the trailer" Funny, my Dad had mini bikes in the trailer, but I dont remember us being millionaires andmy parents working 50 hours a week at their jobs just so we could race.. That wa a totally inaccurate comparison..
I get what your saying Whrlwind, but a "true privateer " isnt a factory rider who starts his own team and gets all the perks and support a factory guy does. Reed is self employed and the employee...Its almost like Kobe Bryant quitting the lakers and playing at the Boys and Girls club , just not the same.Reed has all the backing of a factory rider basically, he just pays for some of the the things the factory would otherwise pay for operationally.....he still gets paid to wear gear and gets all free parts, service and all that jazz....I guess "privateer" means something new these days...Heath Voss was a privateer for years and his family was LOADED, but he didnt get what Reed gets now....I dunno....endless debate I guess....I still like what reed is doing with his "satellite" team.
Do you think Mitch Payton (another small business owner ) throws unlimited parts at Two Two? The team has to buy the parts. Now whether or not Chad gets a salary or not is up to him and his accountants. I have never received a salary from the corp that I own. I use a good accountants advice for expenses and continue to put capital into the corporation. Don't kid yourself he pays for the service too and the driver of the rig and the airline tickets and a ton of accountant and Lawyer and infrastructure stuff that no one but him sees. Does he get paid by Shift? Probably but I am guessing that you or I couldn't live off of that let alone raise a family. Your Kobe Briant example would be him leaving the Lakers and starting for the NBA Kobe Bryant basket ball team, securing a stadium and a franchise. Gretzky and Lemieux became NHL owners after their careers, and Didn't Michael Jordan have a financial stake in the Wizards? Reed has taken a risk but all business owners do, he has raised the privateer bar significantly. Hey if it was easy everyone would do it.
RedBeard65...Heath Voss! Good blast~from~the~past name...did he ever ride with Team Tamm?
mxmofo it isn't so far off the mark. I too was a racer with a mini on the bumper rack of Dads Chrysler. Dad also helped me get Plugs from Champion in return for stickers on the fork legs and a badge on the jersey and we got AMS OIL (1980) for the same stickers and badges and a dealer gave us discounts on the bikes to wear their jersey and pants. Now if I was a better racer I would have ended up talking right to the bike manufacturers for more equipment and support and when I turned pro in 83 most of the expenses were covered by our local dealer and our suppliers but we still paid to play just like Chad Reed is doing and I never paid my Dad for all the driving and wrenching and cheering. I give Reedy great amounts of credit for doing a start up in difficult industry times, and still doing the racing and the promos
on mud races some 250's are faster than the 450's simply because it was lighter and much maneuverable..That's the case why Tomac is much faster than Trey and Chad..The guy has a great talent too...
I enjoy all of your comments first of all the most imprtant thing I like to look at in the lap times on the AMA website is who is still pushing at the end of the race that tells me who really wants it. Also I read a tweet between CR22 and DV12 about what Reed should call himself Reed thought buyateer was the best cause from wht I know is even Pro Circuit makes the factorys pay for his work and I think that is true and fair. I had lots of stuff given to me when I raced but as the post above said that is normal for most good racerers nowdays. Lets just keep racing and hope ilt keeps as exiting as it is now!!!!
To the comments on Tomac being faster than the 450's without considering track conditions. You obviously have no clue. Ya it was raining for the lites but thats what makes it worse for the 450's. IT is a process of breakdown and the fact the lites were ripping in the rain made it worse for the 450's. Initial rain can make slick conditions but those dont slow lap times much, its the damage done by the lites that makes it worse. 250F's are easier to ride in the mud but if you put Tomac out front of the 450 main to start he would not have won and I'd put my salary for the year on it. Nice to see everyone's comments but don't make yourself sound like you know shit when you don't.
To the comments on Tomac being faster than the 450's without considering track conditions. You obviously have no clue. Ya it was raining for the lites but thats what makes it worse for the 450's. IT is a process of breakdown and the fact the lites were ripping in the rain made it worse for the 450's. Initial rain can make slick conditions but those dont slow lap times much, its the damage done by the lites that makes it worse. 250F's are easier to ride in the mud but if you put Tomac out front of the 450 main to start he would not have won and I'd put my salary for the year on it. Nice to see everyone's comments but don't make yourself sound like you know shit when you don't.
#1, #2, #7, #10, #11, #14, #18, #33, #41, etc. have CONTRACTS with teams, whereas Chad Reed does not. That makes him a privateer. I agree there is a "gray area" that defines the haves and the have nots but, #22 is doing it on his dime. I'm certain he didn't want to but, it's a depressed economy and he wasn't the only one left out in the cold. Props to him. Eventually all teams will be private (non-manufacturer) efforts ala NASCAR, it's the way of the new world. Suzuki has Yoshimura, Kawasaki has (had?) Pro Circuit and Yamaha has JGRMX. It will be interesting to see who Honda & KTM align themselves with in the coming years to gravitate in that direction.
I would seriously doubt that Reed gets Free parts from anybody. There is no way Mitch Payton is giving Pro Circut parts to Reed for free. I would bet money that when Reed started his team, he paid for everything. The sponsers are coming now, since the season is under way and he is showing results. But I would bet that by the first two races or so, he had paid for everything to that point. It will take an entire season or longer for him to make money with his team. There is just too much money involved in starting a team from scratch to make it back that quickly. I read a story on the Honda of Troy team, and they were 3 years before the race team turned any profit, it takes a ton of money to get off the ground in this sport.
Josh Hansen is a DICK!
So I guess we all agree that Reeds situation is a different situation and it is tough to truley classify what it is....It is "privateer" effort cause he is paying the bills for the operation of his company and all that they do to show up at the races, I understand that.... but It is also safe and fair to say that, He is Chad Reed afterall and he gets alot of "factory" perks and now has money coming from BIG sponsors....not just free chainlube and goggles....latest word on the street is he has the same motor in the chasis as 41 aka the motor out of the #33 that is not on track, so I dunno...as I mentioned, Reed thanking the honda guys for hooking him up, he has Lars the former factory Honda mechanic.....its just not what I a former racer to be a "prviateer"....if yo have the option to be on a factory team or start your own team and still be top 3, your kind of in your own world....
He laughed about how the transmission thing has been blown up and there were some traction control giggles too. The "factory" 450 motor would have come to him only because he has graced the podium. BD said it right, he had to show up on his own at first, The "Big" sponsors need to be woo'd. now winning on Saturday night while it only paid a pittance for prize money showed Corporate America that Two Two is a very Viable option for advertising, I hope Chad had a busy week in the boardrooms.