Racer X Race Report: Houston
Sunday, February 13, 2011 | 4:15 AM
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PrintIt’s said that anything can happen in racing, but in the case of this race, it wasn’t just anything, it was everything. Where do you even start when talking about a race like the 2011 Monster Energy Houston Supercross? The first-time rookie winner? The championship shakeup and new points leader? The battle to the finish? The Lites East opener?
All of the above apply in this one, as wild and crazy of a race as you’ll ever see. And it indeed ended with a new points leader, a fresh winner, and a dizzying array of stories to cover.
Many of those stories collided in the first turn, when an epic pileup claimed favorites like James Stewart—the SX series points leader coming in—as well as Chad Reed. Ryan Villopoto spun coming off the gate, but he was able to sneak around the trouble and at least avoid the big crash, salvaging merely a bad start. Reed and Stewart were way, way back, and the ultimate first-turn crash victims, Justin Brayton and Chris Blose, were nearly a lap down by the time they had their bikes back up and running.
And meanwhile, Houston’s favorite racer—Kevin Windham—grabbed the holeshot and started checking out. It’s been a tough year for the veteran GEICO Powersports Honda rider, but he was on his old-school game in Houston, rejuvinated and distancing himself from the field early on.
Once James Stewart was down in turn one, the door was open for a wild race.
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Meanwhile, Stewart and Reed were way back on a track that was very difficult to pass on. They were barely approaching the top ten near the halfway mark.
For eight laps, the Houston SX was all Kevin Windham's.
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Then it all broke loose again. First, on lap eight, Windham, carrying a lead of nearly five seconds, jacked up a rhythm lane and ended up swapping right off of his bike and into the ground. His night was over in an instant. He would later walk off under his own power, battered and bruised but apparently free of major injury.
Then Stewart crashed into the back of Jason Thomas in the same section, going down hard again himself and bending his front brake rotor. Stewart wasn’t injured, but Thomas may have suffered a knee injury in the crash.
Late in the race, Canard and Dungey got into it with a scrap for the win.
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With Windham out, Trey Canard seized the lead on his Honda. But Canard began to tighten up, and defending SX Champion Ryan Dungey began to find his groove. The Rockstar Makita Suzuki rider started closing the gap, and then Canard made two big mistakes in a rhythm lane. The battle for the win was on, and Dungey made the pass momentarily, only for Canard to respond and pass him back. With that pass, Canard seemed to loosen up, and he unleashed a few strong laps to get his gap back. On the last lap, Dungey dug deep and closed in again. Dungey knifed inside in the final corner on the last lap, and the two exited the corner side-by-side in a drag race to the finish for the win. And Canard held his ground and edged ahead, capturing his first career SX win in dramatic fashion.
“I don’t even know what to say right now,” said an elated Canard after the race. “It’s just, crazy!”
Just six races into his full-time 450 career, Trey Canard has a victory.
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Dungey took second. Third? Villopoto, who carved his way back from about 12th on a track that was extremely hard to make passes on. With Stewart’s crash-induced 15th, Monster Energy Kawasaki’s Villopoto grabs the points lead back, as well as a nine-point gap.
Villopoto fought past Muscle Milk Toyota’s Davey Millsaps late in the race for third. Millsaps hung on for fourth ahead of Red Bull KTM’s Andrew Short. Short fought past Dungey’s teammate Brett Metcalfe, and Metcalfe crashed in the whoops on the last lap, handing off sixth to Reed. KTM rookie Ken Roczen took a solid seventh in his first-ever SX class race, ahead of a recovering Metcalfe, Dodge Motorsports Hart and Huntington’s Ivan Tedesco, and Roczen’s teammate Mike Alessi.
Dungey's close second helped take some of the sting out of last week's DNF.
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Ryan Villopoto carefully picked his way through the field and landed third.
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The wild race made the big battle for the opening round Lites East Region win seem tame, even though it packed some action of its own. James Stewart’s brother Malcolm grabbed the holeshot in his first career SX, but Dean Wilson quickly put his Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki into the lead, following by GEICO Honda’s Justin Barcia. Stewart crashed spectacularly in a rhythm lane and went back to last, although he would fight back to 14th at the finish.
Justin Barcia outdueled Dean Wilson for the opening round East Lites win.
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Barcia went after Wilson for the lead. Most pegged this duo as the early favorites for the Lites East Title, and they didn’t dissapoint, making repeated passes on each other for the lead. As they swapped lines and block passes, Barcia’s teammate Blake Wharton started closing the gap from third, with DNA Shred Stix Star Racing Yamaha’s Ryan Sipes closing in fourth. Later in the race, Barcia finally started pulling away from Wilson slightly, and Sipes tried a ill-fated pass on Wharton. He cut inside, they collided and both went down.
Wilson’s teammate Blake Baggett inherited third for a podium finish. Bagget had down down twice in his heat race and snuck into the main event with a ninth-place heat race finish, which gave him a terrible gate pick for the main. He kept digging to get into the top five, and then take third from Sipes and Wharton due to the crash. Sipes recovered for fourth, and rookie Rockstar Suzuki rider Ian Trettel snared fifth in his first career SX.
Except the Wilson/Barcia battles to continue.
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Lites Results
1. J Barcia
2. D. Wilson
3. B. Baggett
4. R. Sipes
5. I. Trettel
6. B. Wharton
7. J. Anderson
8. L. Vincent
9. M. Lemoine
10. A. Martin
11. C. Gosselaar
12. S. Rife
13. G. Audette
14. M. Stewart
15. N. Izzi
16. A. Catanzaro
17. T. Futrell
18. P. Larsen
19. L. Lilbarger
20. D. Durham
1. T. Canard
2. R. Dungey
3. R. Villopoto
4. D. Millsaps
5. A. Short
6. C. Reed
7. K. Roczen
8. B. Metcalfe
9. I. Tedesco
10. M. Alessi
11. T. Hahn
12. N. Wey
13. J. Brayton
14. W. Peick
15. J. Stewart
16. K. Regal
17. V. Friese
18. C. Blose
19. K. Windham
20. J. Thomas
Supercross Class Season Standings
1. Ryan Villopoto, Poulsbo, Wash., Kawasaki – 132
2. James Stewart, Haines City, Fla., Yamaha – 123
3. Trey Canard, Shawnee, Okla., Honda – 112
4. Chad Reed, Tampa, Fla., Honda – 105
5. Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., Suzuki – 101
6. Andrew Short, Smithville, Texas, KTM – 80
7. Brett Metcalfe, Lake Elsinore, Calif., Suzuki – 80
8. Justin Brayton, Cornelius, N.C, Yamaha – 65
9. Davi Millsaps, Carlsbad, Calif., Yamaha – 62
10. Kevin Windham, Centreville, Miss., Honda – 61
Supercross Lites Class Eastern Regional Season Standings
1. Justin Barcia, Ochlocknee, Ga., Honda – 25
2. Dean Wilson, Menifee, Calif., Kawasaki – 22
3. Blake Baggett, Grand Terrace, Calif., Kawasaki – 20
4. Ryan Sipes, Ekron, Ky., Yamaha – 18
5. Ian Trettel, Lake Elsinore, Calif., Suzuki – 16
6. Blake Wharton, Aubrey, Texas, Honda – 15
7. Jason Anderson, Edgewood, N.M., Suzuki – 14
8. Lance Vincent, Youngsville, La., Honda – 13
9. Matt Lemoine, Collinsville, Texas, Kawasaki – 12
10. Alex Martin, Millville, Minn., Honda – 11
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Roczen solid
Really nice to see Bagget had the fastest lap time of the night, I'm sure he will put up a good battle also. Nice job roczen, almostttt dungey
Sounds like it will be good TV. The Stewart Bros. almost finished in the same position.
Also a good top 10 for Alessi, Roczen and Millsaps.
Just an observation. In the photo above of bubba picking up his bike it looks like Bubba Sr. is helping him. I thought this was against the rules, any racer receiving outside help during the race while on the course. Can anyone confirm this and if so will bubba be further penalized for this?
call me crazy, but i can see reed winning this championship. no i am not expecting it; but i will not be jaw dropped if it happens either. my reason being is it is not hard to imagine rv and stuart crashing out for 1 round, pushing as hard as they have been. actually mostly stewart more than rv, but point taken i hope. now in reality i thing rv has it in him to win the championship but in the past bubba has a way of being down on points and focusing real hard and clicking off wins. turbo trey is lining himself up to be the consistent top 3 man for 2012 in my opinion. i hope k dub is alright and wish he would of won houston and just glad for his general safety. peace to all
bdrvr....uh I can confirm that Stewart Sr. is slightly darker than that guy.
So if RV wins (which would be fine with me) does he also get an asterisk because of Dungey's DNF and Stewart going down? Lots of RV fans criticizing Dungey and now the shoe is on the other foot. It is still anyone's Title because anything can happen each and every race. One more crash from Stewart and an RV mistake and Canard could be winning this thing.
way to go trey..ahaha dungey lost opputunity to win..it sucks that the big guns went down but thats racing...oh ya if that happens again im sure trey will be up there and kdub and dungey,but thats not the way i want to win..this just makes it interesting.......like larry myers ues to say keep your feet on the pegs and wheels on the ground(motoworld back inthe day)............i dont think trey could pull it off,next year contender maybe,could be a vulliem or a laracoo,or kdub wins no sx championship but can win races........good racing to all and hope for no more problems.....oh by the way big james aint white........
supercross s--cks so boring come on nationals !!!
Well it happened and somebody (JT$) got hurt from it!
Wow!! I had a bad feeling yesterday, i really truly did. First, i want to say how pumped i am on Trey Canard getting the win....that is awesome!!! Congrats young man!!! I'm definitely bummed for KW though!! I cannot wait to see the battle with TC and Dungey, with TC holding the champ off for the win!!! A good night for those who don't care much for JS and not so good for us "fans", but i must admit it was a night that both sides of the fence knew would be coming at some point.....damn!!! Should make for some good TV though. I am glad that with this shake-up, none of the top 3 guys landed in the top spot. That should at least keep the boards a little tame!! Congrats to Roczen also on a very good first 450 (350) ride. SHort gets props for getting his 350 ahead of that many 450's also......the bike coming around a little?? What a night!!
Looks like the East lites is more stacked than the West region...looks like Sipes is gonna take the Wharton brothers off his Christmas list ..there was like 4 sets of brothers racing yesterday..pretty cool..Sipes brothers had best finishes ...two sets didnt qualify...
...oh yeah, even though the results weren't that great, i have to say Malcom showed a little something with a good heat race and very respectable lap times throughout the night also.....and a main holeshot!! Keep your head up MS!!
btw..is it me or are those Nike boots just plain ugly??? they look like someone who never rode designed them...
Dang and tooo bad K-DUB was on the gas, really i hope his wrist is okay!! and great racing to Canard and Dungey, its gonna ON from here on in!!
Wonder what happens, if Ken Rozcen stays overseas for a whole season next year.America, just watch out!!! Good Job, Ken!!! I will cheer for you in this years MX2 World Championships, even if you are on KTMs now....:-)
What a shocker JS7 took out another rider....I have nothing else to say he's a danger out there
Ryan Dung - Heap couldn't buy a win! This championship belongs to RV!!!
Well there goes another riders season ending due to a dangerous reckless rider named Stewie. Lets see, Stewie has landed on other riders about what now, 5 or 6 times or more ? .......That’s one record I think he will hold and nobody will break. I don’t remember Carmichael or McGrath doing this trying to come through the pack. How many other riders are going to get hurt because of this kid with his total lack of respect and careless dangerous riding !!
Good post whatever... Did you get married? I hope you can hang in there cause there will be many hits on Stewart as this story unfolds or maybe not... The season just got crazy.
Will Dungey go from winning the Championship in 2010 to 0 wins 2011?
The riders can be helped in the first turn. this is why they always have a stack of mechanics in there at the start.
im a huge fan of 80 s 90 s racing,you know when MC tought every one to stay on the ground.....anyways super pumped for this season.really bummed for 14.super pumped for Canard way to go he s truly a awsome rider.its pretty obvious its #2...maybee 22?hell its supercrosws who knows......................
same old one lane follow the leader until someone crashes. Please bring back two stroke bikes!
Stewart's pants say, "Bro' Show." AKA, the crashing Stewarts? Bummed for JT$. MORE bummed for K-Dub. Damn! Great job by Canard. RV put in a nice effort to salvage third. Likewise for Reed in sixth. Roczen represented himself well ... but I just have to say (to certain people in particular) that I told ya Shorty would finish ahead of him. Three 350s in the top ten! I wish all the Dungey haters would go stick their typing fingers in a spinning rear sprocket (figuratively, of course). Top two were as expected in Lites (Go Barcia!), but it looks like there are plenty of hungry young men out there looking for their shot at it. I have to say Malcolm S surprised me. Hopefully he'll be judged on his own merits; big bro' casts a big shadow to follow. SX viewing on the tube should be interesting this week!
bro show/o show...get it now ? its a play on a butt patch we all know and love....and now that o mara is training the fastest man on the planet, why not have some fun...........bro show....funny, cool, and a nod to one of the raddest and most styley riders from back in the day.
with 11 rounds to go JS only has to win 3 rounds and he's back in the points lead. He'll probably win more than 3 in 11 rounds anyway. Statistically he's still won 50% of the mains this year so far. Looks like it's win or crash in the Stewart family. Malcolm already crashing out.
#7 need someone to land on his back for a change. he done that to tadesco, JT and Kile regal (i think, in the same when crashed with reed last year) i a Christian and being thought not to wish nothing bad to anybody but i hope someone does the same to him and ends his season the AMA does nothing... like always
Where can I find the footage that shows Stewart riding dangerous and reckless. Until I watch the race I'll assume they were racing and maybe it was an accident. Maybe JT$ unknowingly moved over or something.
mxvet77 looks like a new guy in this!! dont u know #7??? he has done this more than once. lets not try to cover this guys recklessness.
GO HONDA
Hey guys, can we just wait and watch the race to see what happened before you start raggin'?? The replay wont lie, but word is that JS went to triple out of a corner and JT checked up on it.... possible that nothing could be done about it if that is the case. When you have any one of the faster guys that far back in the pack and they are going for it to get back to the front, something like that could happen......If he's to blame i'll be the first to say it, but lets watch and see first is all i ask.
You win your championships on your worst nights not your best nights. so far Dungy worst = 20th
Stewart worst = 15th
RV worst = 4th (I think)
RV in 2011
Sounds like Reed was on the move, hitting the deck in the first corner to 6th only 5 seconds behind Villopoto in 3rd.
KXGUY324((( a christian))) ,you believe in 100% unproven bullshit...to think the way you think ,to hurt or mame..another person like you described ,you sound like you need an ass whooping.....harry potter is as believeable as the bible ...he,he,he....only sheep follow?
Kyle cunningham landed on Stewarts back dummy at PHX 10.
Go Kenny. Just wait till Roczen learns SX. The kid will be unbeatable. He is going to rule MX2 WC this year, and then he will race full time in USA. where he will become the new RC. There has never been a 16 year old ever that has been able to perform at his level.
There are a few more rising stars in German MX as well, Henry Jacoby and Stefan Eckerold just to name two.
stewart landed on kyle partrige ending his season last year., but any way how about Canard? I hope another rookie wins the championship this year!
What a wild race, Stewie made a bad misstake at the start and another over the triple, right into the back of the other rider, bad misstake that really cost him. Great ride by Dungey and of course Canard. And Roczen looked good, but NO TOP 5 guys, just like I thought. And he had a big chance with Stewie and Reed behind him after the bad start. Its the big boys up there. But a great ride for him and I'm glad he got out safe. And Short finished ahead of him, wow imagine that.
Myke, You will remember that RV decimated the world on a 250F...both motos. Let's nt get to ahead of ourselves with Rocz. He is talented, but RC? it will take 10 years of championships to determine that.
hey unforgiven...God is real..ask any real man.atheists are just scared of the truth.how do think the earth got here?big bang? hahaha.motocross and hot chicks are proof of God awesomeness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everybody knows James has races like that now and again; he'll bounce back. He always does. I was pulling for Dungey, but I was impressed that Canard was able to fend him off. Dungey was still being too nice in some of the corners. Villopoto didn't seem too happy with third, but he had a good ride to get there.
Way to go JS for landing on another rider. Dont bother trying to say it was the other guys fault. If your behind someone thats not doing a jump that you can, you might want to check up to avoid landing on them and ending their season. Just a thought, you douche
How 'bout the guy from Louisiana who got 8th in Lites whom none of us have ever heard of?!? Awesome ride, man.
Hate to say it trick, but him landing into JT$ was another one of his big lapses in judgement. It was pretty clear from the corner that Thomas didn't have the drive to triple out of that corner, and Stewart followed directly in his line and launched it like he wasn't even there. Another tick on the list of riders injured by Stewart.
When coming thru traffic especially deep in the pack, you can't assume that every rider is going to do every obstacle the same. I think Stewart displayed poor judgement, and it cost him and Jason Thomas.
just watched the JS7/JT$ wreck over and over again, no disrespect to Stewy fans, but Thomas had possition, stewy 100% at fault. Screw Stewart, I hope Thomas is ok!! When will he learn??
@dave - Atheists are scared of the truth? I guess you think that means Heaven and an afterlife? Why would atheists be afraid of something like that? The vast majority of them are not "evil", so they would actually have something to gain by such belief. I think religious people in general are more fearful than atheists. I can't say God doesn't exist, because it's impossible for me to actually know that. By the same logic, you can neither claim to know that God does exist. It's an inescapable stalemate. Let others live their lives and believe what you want to without being a pompous a$$.
JS7 was doing the triple to the table top even alessi did it on the 350 same time...and JT$ decieded to double it right infront of JS7 it happend so fast i bet he thought he was going to triple like everyone else. i dont think its reckless if you have raced supercross tracks which most of you havent it happens alot...the guy in front of you decides to not do the rhythm section the way most do and its to late you already pulled the trigger.. ive have done it...its an accident and all you that dont race just stop whining
Also, one thing that really pissed me off was after JS landed on JT$, all the commentators had to say still was how good JS is and how bad luck got him tonight. How about calling him out on yet another bonehead move? Or maybe, just maybe a mention of the real victim of the crash, one of the older more badass guys of our sport that's been racing pro for a very long time. You'd swear the industry is on the JS payroll.
Intrested to see if any JS7 fans see it diffrently....
bigtireguy.......oh no you didn't. You are now officially a "hater" lol. I can already answer your question, obviously it was Jason Thomas' fault. (sarcasm)
If JT& didn't clip the double and bobble it wouldn't of happened............now the start...........all Stewart.
Over and over again, we see riders get out to the lead and jump all the jumps with no concern ... the riders without the start (the smart ones, anyway) check up and double rather than triple (for example) when they're in traffic. Then there's "King James," who rarely shows concern for the other riders on the track. I feel bad for Thomas.
Well said Friendly Neighbourhood Athiest.
On Stewart's crash... I think it was a bonehead move but really no one can know exactly what was going on from Stewarts perspective. Bummer about Windham and JT$. Stoked about Canard's win and RV and Reed's ride. Good ride for Dungey too.
Can someone tell Erin Bates how STUPID she sounds when she says (over and over again), "most minimal amount of mistakes"during podium interviews. Here's a better idea. Find a trackside reporter with the "most minimal amount " of stupidity.
Anyone that does NOT let Stewart land on them, is a racist.
I'm surprised no one is saying anything about I think Blose not moving out of RD way on the last lap. You couldn't see on tv but some one that was there said he did, anyone know?
@ ITSRACING: Yea, if your logic was correct why hasnt everyone else gotten a nice list of riders they have landed on including Carmichael? And thank god your not on the track too because it sounds like youd be just as reckless as him. but I shouldnt talk because I havent been on one of the many private spec supercross tracks that are on the west coast and near me. Guess you know everything.
As an observation, it seems that only one rider appears to be landing on other riders in the premier class. A very talented and seasoned one at that. He is the only one that appears to have this problem. Yet there are so many folks who insist on trying to rationalize it. Why? Every other top caliber rider out there is capable of not landing on each other. The victim is always likely to be the unsuspecting rider hit from behind, not the guy who knows he is about to hit him. The promotors and AMA need to start imposing point penalties in order to force common sense and protect the riders. No excuses JS7. You blew it and you hurt a fellow competitor trying to make a living and who does not make the millions you do. And shame on the announcers and the industry for white washing it.
He landed on another one!! Hope he isnt hurt too bad like some of the other ones! Why is Stewart the only guy that lands on people so frequently? Maybe he wins because other riders move out of the way so he doesnt land on them too.
and it looks as if he ended thomas's season also!!
"Retardcross", Very funny!!! I DID race on "supercross" type tracks, and I always paid attention to the people around me. Mostly out of respect/fear. I didn't want to end my season on a stupid mistake. And I would feel terrible if my "Stupidity" ruined another riders season...... oh yea.... God Rules!!!!! lol
How about that killer coverage? No replay of that finish....nice. Hey, but they caught that basketball hittin` the rim in slow mo.... TC did good to block, Dungy had the drive, and he wasn`t shutin` off.....he was gonna sky that thing like O`mara at Daytona!
It was a matter of time before Stewart started showing his true colors, with that racist "BRO SHOW" on his pants. Most people might not even notice, but what if Villopoto put "WHITE HOPE" on his?
It would be nice if other riders gave Stewart the Willy T. Ribbs treatment. Since he's the bully of the class, knocking back-of-the-packers down, landing on them and thinking he can run roughshod over others with no repercussions, the other riders ought to give him a run of "bad luck." Sometimes karma comes around to hurt a man's series points standings, nomesane? Hint hint wink wink
Supercross is a broken pile of crap! The show has gotten too awful for Feld & Speed to be so strict with the coverage. If they are going to make it so much hassle for anyone that doesn't have Speed channel to watch, then forget it.
Also, its really hard to believe JS7's has such stupid, blind followers, that he can jump on and maim a competitor nearly every year, and they think it is the fault of the unfortunate rider getting landed on.
James Stewart is the all-time AMA record holder for landing on his fellow competitors. Carmichael, Tedesco, Partridge, and now Thomas. He also, pushed his bike in front of Travis Preston, without looking, while Preston was in the air over a triple. In the Tedesco incident, he broke Ivan's wrist in PRACTICE, and didn't get any punishment, and never apologized. In the Preston case, he nearly killed Travis, and Travis got reprimanded for telling Stewart what he thought about his bone-headed, super dangerous move. Stewart never accepted responsibility for that one either, and pushed the AMA to punish Preston, who did absolutely nothing wrong.
Stewart really needs to be punished for ruining guys seasons year after year. Something really needs to be done!
You'd think Stewart would be better getting past the riders he laps almost every weekend. When he's leading, he blows past them, when he's losing, he either lands on them or under cuts them in the air. Definately the most dangerous rider out there. and on the starts, he almost always gets into the rider to his right, watch!
i haven't read any of these posts, so i am not arguing with anybody, just telling you what i saw, playing the slo-mo over and over.. I just watched the 2 j stewart crashes, and i think the first turn was totally his fault. He was swapping side to side just like a1.
The jt crash was not his fault, imo. He was already launching off the takeoff, trying to land on the tabletop, and jt messed up the jump, and practically stopped right in front of him. stewart did not land on jt's back, whoever said that was watching a different race. he rammed him from behind, just like stewart/reed A1 of '09. nowhere else to go.
Too bad for windham, that would have been awesome if he pulled it out, glad he's ok. it was that same straight, where jt and stewart collided, and tc messed up there too, letting dungey by.
rv made a great charge thru the pack, with no incidents, good ride, and good points.
dungey was trying to make up for that one where reed got by in the final turn.
I never expected malcolm to get 2nd in a heat race, and holeshot the main, he didn't sound that good, from what i was reading.
I hope all the rest are as entertaining as this one.
let the cyber wars, begin.
jairtime.....you gotta be kidding.....thats a tribute to O`show. Gotta say, it looked like Bubba was already comitted and JT kinda squirled into his line.
retardcross, it wasn't just thomas not having the drive to do the triple. He came up short, on whatever he was trying to do, and practically stopped on the tabletop, where stewart was landing. That could have happened to anybody.
Trick, respectfully (now I get to say anything :-) If you are in the back working forward and you know only the top 5-7 guys can even make that triple out of the corner...you have no business hitting it in traffic. This was completely JS7's fault and mot the first time. 7 could have passed the back of the field anywhere else at any time and did not need to force this. also (imo) while the Bro-show is a nod to the O-show, it is in poor taste and someone should have just said no.
It's nice to read that I am not the only who can see Stewart for the d**k he really is. How many times is that now? He never expresses any remorse & the media just tends to skip it almost if the other rider was in Stewarts way. He is fast, I'll give him that. But why is he such a media darling? The only I can think of is because he is black competing in a white dominated sport. Don't even get me started on Sheehan, complete & total f**kface. Is any one else tired of him going on & on about Stewart like he is the only rider on the track? I wonder if that's all him or if a puppetmaster is pulling the strings? Nice to see that they did'nt cover Roczen at all, classy.
Belive me, I`m the first one to point out reverse racisim, but even I don`t think that is bad taste, remember Andy Jefferson? He had Bro-Show and Plasma on his pants, just a play on words for fun.
I am not a js fan, I am a motocross fan. if that was reed or dungey, villo, anyone, i would say the same thing here. some people only see, what they want to see. hate is blind.
Go back and watch your recording a few times. In the slo-motion sequence, It is very clear, that JT was trying to double, while stewart was tripling onto the tabletop. JT came up way short on the double, he didn't even get far enough to case it, but instead, hit front tire first, then rolled up onto the tabletop.
If you look closely, you will see that there is another rider in that turn, who squared up on the inside, and had much less drive than JT, (who was railing the berm on the outside). The inside rider, managed to easily seat bounce up to the tabletop, and STILL was going faster than JT. You can clearly see, that if JT was going the same speed as the rider on the inside, then stewart would not have hit him at all.
After you have watched your replay, get back to me, on this.
I don't know why that yammie is fish-tailing on the start, that's a couple times now. never saw him do that before, but he's doing it now.
and it looks as if he ended thomas's season also!!
no one seemed to notice JT$ casing it on the table top and singling off the next one before going down...sometimes when you case it, the guy behind you hits you...
but in the message board world it will be all 7's fault...
.....because it was 7's fault....now you bring up a valid point.... PROPS to Ice Trey!!!! nice win!!!
Hey SBPC, Supercross aired on CBS this morning, not Speed.
Not even going to touch the Stewart/JT argument...
I just watched the start in slo-mo again. That looks like a dumb gate pick for stewart, 3 spots from the very inside. If you look at the first turn, the inside tuff blocks are not curved into an arc, it is a sharp point. Even before stewart got squirrely, it looked like the inside guys would get pinched off there, or have a VERY tight turn to make, compared to the guys in the middle. Still all stewarts fault, but i think that was a dumb gate pick.
Stewie has made some dangerous moves all through his career, so nothing new hear. He passes quickly because he just puts his head down and charges. Which is fast, but it bites him hard sometimes. Hope Jason thomas is fine and he gets to ride. Stewie has ended a few guys seasons before, lets hope it didnt happen again. And about GOD, I feel cold beer proves GOD loves us and wants us to be happy.
Who cares if JT made a mistake and only doubled? These guys go through lappers every race. Stewart ran into JT plan and simple. If it was a car accident James Stewart's insurance would be going up. JS7 has landed on RC4, Kyle Partridge and now JT that I can think of.
JS moved to the big bike class for 2005. He has raced for eleven 450 class AMA championships (6 Supercross and 5 Outdoor). He has won 3 of the 11 big-bike Titles he contested (2007 Supercross, 2009 Supercross and 2008 Outdoor). Not bad but hardly total dominance like Carmichael. Fact is, JS7 crashes. It has plagued him throughout his career and ended almost all his non-winning championship seasons. Love him or hate him he is fun to watch and he generates publicity and opinions, both good and bad.
I see that nobody seen Stewie hold up RV when RV was going to lap him, funny how he let TC and RD right by then RV was coming and Stewie got back in the race line to block RV and hold him up as long as he could..... Yes Stewie that same blue flag applies to you also. There is no other rider out there that could get away with what this kid gets away with...and thats a FACT
Dis someone actually say that this race s***ed? Are holeshot runaways better?.... Former Multi-D23 Champ, Gannon Audette, got in the 250 main in his first try, and was running in the top ten for a while. Alex Martin scored a 10th, representing MN. I'm going to throw out the nickname again; nice podium by Dean "Grounds Keeper" Wilson.
Stewart landing on JT$ was the only reported incident. Just before that (we were front row at the bottom of a huge triple) he landed 3 inches off another riders fender...scared my wife to death....the crash a 1/2 lap latter was no surprise.
That said, Stewart was doing a rear wheel tap coming out of the second set of whoops that was absolutely other-worldly. His speed was so superior in some sections it would be hard to believe he wouldn't soon eclipse McGraths record except that he is weak minded and whihc will likely severly damage his body and ruin his potential as a world beater.
yeah, it did look like stewart went from the inside to the outside, when rv was coming up on him. From that straight on camera angle, its hard to tell how close villo was to him. villo hit a tuff block, when he got squirrely. I wish they had a slo-mo of that one, from a better angle. If stewart did cut him off, while being lapped, it was dirty, im just not sure thats what happened, because you cant see the distance between them very well. a side view shot would be nice, like the jt incident. it did look odd that stewart veered to his left imo.
Ok,sorry but you guys are ridiculous. Nobody should expect a guy to go around a track and not do an obstacle the way he wants on the premise that the guy in front of him might decide NOT to do it at the last second. It's really too bad that you people just use an accident like this to spew your blatant hate toward the guy. Sorry, if that crap was anybody's fault it was JT's. Watch it again, last second change in the flow of things out there, and nothing could have been done. Partridge? JS fault....RC a few years back? Ultimately JS fault. JT on Houston? Thats the chance HE takes when he screws up a rhythm section or makes a split second decision like that. PLEASE!!
....and why in the HELL did you same people not light up these boards last week when KW landed on Tedesco??? NOT A SINGLE WORD WAS SAID ABOUT THAT!! What is the difference(im sure you will find one)......KW was flying through and IT made a mistake and slowed up a bit and KW crunched him. KW should have pulld up and stopped in that nano-second that things changed and he didn't do it. HE IS RECKLESS!!!! RIGHT?? Oh, that was just racing and everything was just fine in that one right? That and the fact that it didnt involve STewart.....WHATEVER!!! Be fair with your criticism boys!!!
Whatever- I did not see Windham land on Tedesco but this doesn't happen with Windham. Stewart pulls this crap regularly. Plus Stewart on multiple occasions has fallen then pushed his bike in front of someone riding causing them to crash (in front of Windham in the whoops and Preston on the triple) and there is NO excuse for that.
..Rarely happens with Windham..
Ok, "Whatever", When somebody gets sick of his BS on the track, They slow/wreck him out of a title, don't ***** about it.... The guy is a menace, and JT$ has every right to do the section anyway he see's fit. James, the guy BEHIND him needs to re-direct his lines to avoid collision. P L E A S E!!!!!! Its His reponsibility to avoid collision when he is the one BEHIND!!!!!! its called Being SMART!!!! something he has shown, time and time again, he is not...
last week at a2 did you notice short jump in front of dungey and dungey locked up and almost endoed...............some guys like ryan clark should not be racing k dub drilled him oakland nothing was said.....racing accidents happen its dangerous...........if they would make the tracks wider and a touch longer hello,maybe some things could be avoided..........ive been landed on never would i blame the other guy unlees intentional...cause me not jumping a section last sec.....take it easy hope all is well jt$ cause him and stewy are good friends................
Justin Barcia= dirtiest rider ever . James Stewart= just plain stupid (too bad its always someone else that gets hurt when he takes them out). Dean Wilson Will Be back to do battle and WILL beat barcia when the dust settles. Dean was just happy to be riding decent, he had bad armpump. He said over and over how he was just happy to come out in one piece because of barcia's dirty riding. Barcia's chin looks like my huevos on a cold night. Nothing against Trey, But why is everyone on trey's nuts and absolutely hating Dungey. Dungey looked better and seemed to have more speed than trey, he just needed another lap. I'm not a dungey fan. Really hope Poto can shut out stewey. Stewey's gonna kill someone
Actually I am NOT a Stewart fan. I don't dislike him because he is black there are too many reasons to count that make me dislike him. Up until this race this has been the best I have ever seen him ride. When he doesn't get the start he is usually extremely dangerous. The first 5 rounds showed me a smarter and more mature stewart only to be brought back to earth by the same ole same in Houston. Anyone that has been landed on while attempting to race their own race knows it aint fun. Who's fault was it? Obviously it was God's fault nothing happens that he doesn't allow.
Cheers
James Stewart should have a butt wipping for taking out JT as there was no need to do what he did. Just crapy sportsmanship. Way to go Malcom - keep up the great work !
JT$ is Stewey's boy, WTF??? he took out his boy! Good job ken roczen. What was sipes thinking? Sipes has some speed this year. He could have ran w/ Barcia and deano. Barcia is gonna hurt someone like stewart did. Why is Stewey allowed to block Poto while getting lapped? politics are so nice in Motocross
whatever, you're showing your true Stewart "colors" again (no pun intended). As I said earlier, riders MUST (and usually do) ride more cautiously when coming through slower traffic. BTW, Windham got out of shape and bounced into the side of Tedesco in the incident you mentioned - not the same thing at all. There are things called "patterns," and Stewart running into (or over) people is one. He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it - or get hit by Stewart.
just watched race js didnot blk villopoto comon he was 3or4 bike lengths behind,nextn time you seen villopoto he was going by millsapand metty........very risky move james has to ride smarter no doubt..and james and jt are friends............im a fan of motocross and supercross i want all the riders to do welll...............what the hel@ is wrong with dirtworkx that start was as stupid as the split starts at aniehiem years past,why did they not red flag the race only n8 riders made it clean.......christ they red flag a lcq last year or this year, the national last year after 2 laps wtf............
Red-flagging a start because "too many riders went down" was discussed last year. It's a bogus idea. First turn pile-ups are part of racing!
And speaking of Stewarts running people over ... I was looking forward to seeing what PJ Larsen would bring to the table after winning the Australian SX Lites championship. He was looking good right up until Malcolm smashed him off the track. Where have we seen that before? If you take yourself out, there's a good bet you were too aggressive. (Do you hear that, Ryan Sipes?)
Also, Hannah and RJ would laugh at you people moaning about Barcia's "dirty" riding. Was he dirtier than the Stewart brothers? Or Sipes? Must be the long hair; it's probably the same people crying about Hanny in the West.
this is how it happend jason thomas cased the double and stewart was already commited to the triple there was nothing he could do! if JT would made the double nothing would of happend.... i watched the crash about 20 times so all u ppl who watch it 1 time and think u know exactly what happend ur wrong because i thought it was stewarts fault to until i watched more than 1 time
Go back and watch your recording a few times. In the slo-motion sequence, It is very clear, that JT was trying to double, while stewart was tripling onto the tabletop. JT came up way short on the double, he didn't even get far enough to case it, but instead, hit front tire first, then rolled up onto the tabletop.
If you look closely, you will see that there is another rider in that turn, who squared up on the inside, and had much less drive than JT, (who was railing the berm on the outside). The inside rider, managed to easily seat bounce up to the tabletop, and STILL was going faster than JT. You can clearly see, that if JT was going the same speed as the rider on the inside, then stewart would not have hit him at all.
we aren't talking about what stewart did in the past or what he will do in the future, but look at the jt crash again, and tell me it was his fault, with a straight face.
i agree he has pulled some boneheaded moves, but i really don't think this was one of them.
it was nobodys fault... but since js was in the accident everyone says its his fault
The very FIRST rule in MX is don't follow someone elses line. For James to work through lappers and be in the tyre tracks of a back marker or slower rider is inviting disaster.
Sure it is the fastest way but it is also the riskiest, one day it will bite him on the ass and not the person he runs in to.
I think his record fro thsi type of incident speaks for itself, all the JS lovers must be able to acknowledge that surely?
thank u trick for agreeing with me
The people that write on this wall show how smart and talented they are with all these great and lovely words they write!LMFAOSHILMS
How many actually ride or even understand MX or SX I see a few that understand that things happen that you don't always have control over and some you do. James and JT wreck was unfortunate and was neithers fault it was racing. If JT wouldn't of came up short james would of had the room to land but it happened. When some one comes up short on a jump infront of you what can you do? I mean what could James of stopped half way off the jump no. Could Baggett stop from running that guy over? Does that make Baggett an idiot? NO.And Malcolm got landed on from behind who's fault was that or was it just racing? That was racing. This is a tough sport and there was so much going on in lites that if ya want to cry about something look there what about Sipes and Wharton or go ride and learn something besides you keyboard tricks!!!!!!!!!!
he had 2 riders in front of him there was only 2 lines either way he would a followed one of em
WTF? Stewart got a 15th place finish and is still the top line of the damn article! People need to get off of the favoritism for Bubba and report about the winner!
what if reed won the championship
what if canard won the championship
what if dungey won the championship
wowwww buddy I AM A BABBA HATER
I think hell get hurt and villopoto will win
a couple years ago stewart was naming off records he will beat &mcgraths; 72 &7 came up n stewart said ill notch that one two......im a fan of stewart although i dont want him 2 finish top 3 in points ,he is the most coordinated n fastest 4 sure but talk 2 the goat 7 sx titles ,,,he was a realist ... in the 450 class that will not b topped nor will rc's in moto those guys changed everything..... they not only raised the bar they made the bar.stewart you are awesome,you are a showman you are ungodly fast
[quad quad last week?}but i havent forgotten what u said n ill bet an inch your not gunna pull that 1 off .....go2 22 14 41
If I'm driving my car and I suddenly slam on my brakes and the person behind me rear ends me who's at fault? Of course the person behind you is always at fault right. But at the same time you can understand it was just an ACCIDENT. It's not like the person just recklessly plowed into the back of you.
The same thing applies here with JS. JT messed up the Rhythm section and Stewart was already into his jump and rear ended him. Yes ultimately it's Stewart's fault but it was an ACCIDENT people. Stewart was not malicious nor was he reckless. We're talking about split second timing and decision making. It's racing and accidents happen.
The real problem is that a lot of people HATE James Stewart. So anything negative or any kind of controversy he's involved in will be exaggerated to the 10th power. Greatness is always hated on. I hated on Michael Jordan. I trashed him at every opportunity. But I had to give credit where credit was due. Jordan was the best. So continue to hate on James all you want but in your heart you know he's the best in Supercross right now.
The facts are: js7 has a pattern of landing on people. There were two people in the corner in front of him so no open line. As he was in the back neither back marker could be expected to triple. Mistakes happen and people come up short.
So, JS7 working from the back (guys who will double) with no open lanes decides to triple with not 1, but 2, riders right in front of him.
Come on folks! He blew it and it was indeed his fault. Cost him points and could have cost him the season. AND it may have cost another racer his season and $.
Walks like a duck, quacks like duck....
Jordan is an interesting example. One of the greatest hackers in the game. Well known for fouling but never being called for it. Because he put butts in seats and was great to watch offensively they needed to keep him in the game. Personally think favoritism is the wrong approach, and maybe it is part of why NBA is losing fans and tv audiences?
Similar thing happening here? Could promoters and AMA being looking at long term $$$ untapped markets? Hmmm.....
Oh and Eric. Yes the car scenario you present is ABSOLUTELY the guy behinds fault. Not an accident at all. The rules of the road are clear. Look forward, pay attention, and leave yourself space/room to avoid.
You have helped support that JS7 did none of this, and as the majority already know, it was indeed his fault.
plain and simple... stewart got too anxious and was obviously NOT looking ahead when coming through the corner. ya, JT$ messed up the rhythem section. stewart had time to check up. another stupid move by the #7. and for the guy who commented on about James stewart sr. helping js7 in the picture... dude, he is white. i mthink you need a bigger computer screen or a new pair glasses!
Open Class I don't know if you've been living under a rock but the NBA is not losing fans or TV viewers. The NBA fan base is so great they even have league pass that gives viewers access to EVERY SINGLE NBA GAME. If they didn't have the audience that would not be possible. There is no favoritism with James in AMA.
Stewart has a proven pattern of this. If he doesn't get the start he wants or gets out front early he acts like a little BIT** & rides with total disregard... unprofessional. One day he is really going to hurt somebody, I mean badly. God I hope he does it to himself.
"Oh and Eric. Yes the car scenario you present is ABSOLUTELY the guy behinds fault. Not an accident at all. The rules of the road are clear. Look forward, pay attention, and leave yourself space/room to avoid."
Open Class your not making any sense. You claim a rear end collision is "not an accident at all". Then what is it? That's news to me. I didn't know people just drove around plowing into other vehicles on purpose. Like I said it was James Stewart's fault but it was an ACCIDENT. I don't believe he was malicious or reckless.
Sef, you are showing your true colors and your stewart "dislike" yet again!! Nice little racial subtlety you added to your post too!! I love KW, but he totally could have avoided that happening right?? WRONG!! I mean, Tedesco screwed up in front of him and that is what ultimately caused KW to get in to him...but i know...you likey KW and you no-likey JS, you are captain obvious my friend!! ANd "OPEN CLASS", yes, if the insurance company were to get involved with this, Stewart would be at fault and his insurance would have to cover it....that is not the point...the point is there was nothing that could have been done to prevent the contact based on the circumstances, and how JT went through the section.........unavoidable accident!!! My only hope is that he comes back and goes on a win streak like he did 2 years ago when he was 18 down.......and he will!!! How will you all spin it so that the title ( if he wins it) will be tainted because he got in to the back wheel of Jason Thomas in Houston??? Can't wait to hear!!
"dz958", go watch A2 again buddy!!! "BigTIREGUY"......i'd bet the farm that if the roles were reversed on this one, and JT was behind and JS screwed up the section and JT got into his back tire as a result, that your ass would NOT say that Jason Thomas was in any way at fault. I'D bet you anything big guy!! I can hear it now..."Tough shit, Stewart screwed up and didnt do the triple, what are guys suppose to do, just wait and see what Stewie is gonna do before they commit to anything?"........You would STILL rail Stewart if things were turned around and you know it, though you are not big enough to admit it!! ITS RACING GENTLEMAN, a few people on here get it. The KW contact with Tedesco can be viewed the same way....i though nothing of it except for crap happens on a racetrack sometimes!! Keep on hatin' boys!!!!
Wow whatever, do you like those nuts salted or unsalted?
Man, Bubba and his "posse" must've been awful busy in the pits last night. JT, Canard, Dungey and Reed really ruined his night by allowing themselves to be run into. That's a lot of bikes to push off their stands and " dudes asses to beat ".
Uneasy_rider,,, Its probably becuase he was the POINTS LEADER... Make sense now,,, Einstein ?
You are a regular comedian aren't you dyingbreed71.....that is some real original and funny shit dude!! Let's have some fun!!
The other shame of the Stewart incident is we are talking more about it than the great battle between Barcia and Wilson. After a number of races where 1-5 at the start is the same 1-5 at the finish, that Lite race was a great race. The main 450 guys are the top dogs but the Lite riders are hungry and fun to watch.
Congrats to TREY CANARD!! Damn the LynchMob was silent 4 a couple of weeks when BUBBA DA BEAST was winning but a loss this week brought em out their caves! A crazyass race but S@#T happens,hope JT and KDUB are up racing next week!!
"whatever", I'm big enough to admidt alot! I have actually been enjoying JS7 this season until he pulls this crap!! I understand crap happens in racing, it just always happens with your guy Stewey. I was away on business and did not see the KW14/IT9 deal, I honestly can not comment, other than there isn't a history of this with either rider like there is with "Bubbles". I look forward too hearing how Bubbles latest victim is.. I'm sure he could care less.......
Hey all of you couch racers thanks for the entertainment LOL I have been landed on and been the one who landed on the other guy.It is called racing. Also I think Stewart had nothing on his mind but trying to go fast as he could so again It is just racing,I have been the stuffer and the stuffee, It is called racing. May the best man win with also the best luck. LETS KEEP RACING!!!!
So Jason, What do you think ?
JimM
CarlsbadCa
I couldnt hrdly believe it when I saw Stewarts bike on Reed ! Deja vu all over again
JimM
Carlsbad Ca
oh well, at least it wasn't a boring race, and now we have something to talk about.
Hey Dean good news , bad news which do you want first ? The good news : your leading the Houston SX ! The bad news : Justin Barcia is right behind you. !
What are the odds that Barcia playing pinball with Wilson was and is Deanos head ? 15 has a problem here , the setup for that situation is gonna happen again. Racing 101 says you settle it on the track and bang back but can you imagine Barcia response if he's pissed ? All that aside those two using creative lines was good stuff !
JimM
CarlsbadCa
I watched the replay of the stewart crash in slow motion several times and you can clearly see that JT$ rear wheel spun quite a bit before the face of the jump. Stewart came around the corner already hooked up and went for the triple. By the time that Stewart was hitting the jump JT$ was hitting the top of the second jump and this caused his front end to dive resulting in his bike slowing down. It looks like JT$ was trying to make the triple but he had a little too much wheel spin. I am not defending Stewat or JT$. I just believe this was a racing accident that nobody wanted. As a racer, I have had a couple of these myself. Anyone racing for a championship is going to take risks at some point. A crash in the first turn is going to promote that. As for Barcia... there is just one plain dirty rider. I believe that his actions were all intentional.
So if what evreyone is saying is correct...Stewart should just roll all of the jumps around the track when he is coming through the pack just in case one of the back of the pack riders cant do the triple let alone even clear the double before the table? IDIOTS! I do find it interesting though that Dungey got the benefit of having all the contenders that were out last year in the back of the pack and he still didnt win. Hopefully this riles him up a bit and he comes out even stronger next week.And back to Stewart...I am sure all of you who are crucifing him woulld have the abillity to somehow slow down in the air when a rider in front of you cannot even do half of what he should have been doing over a supercross obstacle.
First, whatever, apparently you're not familiar with the expression "showing your true colors," nor, "no pun intended." That was me being very clear that my comment was not "racial." It's amazing how blind you are to what's actually being said when the topic is Stewart. And I'll stand by what I said before: Stewart has a history of landing on people; Windham does not. Add to that the fact that K-Dub was racing with someone who could realistically be considered "competition"; Stewart was passing people he would never see on the track without a bad start and/or crash (he had both in this race). This nonsense about "accident" or "not accident" is not the point at all here. In so many instances, it is up to the person coming up behind to avoid the person ahead. When you're a far superior jumper to another rider on a SX track, that rule is even more important to observe. Interesting, Welker stated that, "Stewart had nothing on his mind but trying to go fast as he could," as if that is some sort of excuse. How about thinking about the fact that you're sharing a track with riders of varying abilities - most with less than you? Take another line! And Open Class, clearly you have no idea what's going on in the NBA these days.
haters don't rate.
The only way 7 gets a pass on this is if the face of the triple was to tall to see over. Many more bad starts form Stewart and RV gets it done ( IFTY ) ! For what its worth here are JT$ stats this year : A1- 15th , PHO- DNQ, LA- 18th , OAK- DNQ, A2-16th, HSTN- Road Kill
JimM
Carlsbad Ca
Wow!! cant imagine whatever would get on here and defend Stewie?? ha ha, whatever, you would defend Stewie if he kicked a puppy I think. He screwed up again, periuod. Just like when he landed on Kyle partridge, just like when he landed on RC, and just like when he pulled onto the track in front of Travis Preston. Admit it, your boy screwed up again, Not to mention him cutting in front of RV anf trying to hold him back. Its a cowards move, YOU ARE GETTING LAPPED, GOT OUT OF THE WAY.. And quit making a race issue out of it whatever, we dont care what color he is, if you screw up you screw up, black or white. YOU have the race problem, its obvious. Its the same reason your a big Stewie fan, the veterens of this site know that. If you screw up, then admit it and move on. He has never admitted to a misstake, its always somebody elses fault with him it gets old.
This time JS7 was not at fault, I realize he has made stupid mistakes but this time you can clearly see that JT made a mistake and slowed way down and it was too late for JS7. Completely an accident. All you people sitting on the couch, should just enjoy racing and appreciate that these guys are giving 100 % for us to enjoy.
I've been KW fan forever, like most people are, but maybe if he would push a little harder he would have won a championship by now.
How about Barcia and wilson, it reminds me of Bradshaw and Matiasevich, great race.
Also Malcom Stewart was not at fault on his crash.
JS7 will come back from this, he's only 9 points down.
On the other hand I have a feeling RD will not win a single race this season.( including outdoors)
This is a much more entertaining series than last year with everyone healthy.
bd200, love the cold beer/god revelation! James has raced practically his whole life. He knows everybody does not ride the track the same and anyone can screw up at anytime. But when James gets behind he becomes a risk taker and blows through riders like they are sitting still (which usually serves him well). Alot of people thought a new and improved Bubba had evolved. Maybe, when he has the lead...... but same old Bubba when he falls behind. Too panicky and throttle wide open!! Got to admit, sure is fun to watch though!!
By the way, if any of you have kids, good luck getting an autograph or photo from RV or CR much less ask them anything , they hate people. on the other hand RC, JS7 and TC will go out of their way for FANS. Then you will also be JS7 and TC fans...PERIOD
K-Dub had it!! Rare mistake by by #14. I think he may have been able to hold off Trey, he was 1/2 way there!!! You'll get em next time!!!!
WOW...I gotta say that was a exciting race. I grew up with a 99.5% chance of McGrath running away with race win after win. F*ck it...That was insane from the begining to the end! I want more of the same. Villamoto's on top (for now).
Jimmy, We've heard this before but, salted or unsalted??
@Jimmy - Which crash wasn't Malcolm Stewart's fault? The one where he ran straight into PJ Larsen and knocked himself down as well? Really?
Rockhard, I agree!! too bad Dungey blew his chain last week!! It would be really even more exciting about now..... Just barely passed the 1/3 mark for the season the game is still WIDE OPEN!!!!
P.S. Guys that talked smack on Roczen should eat crow now!! Not bad for 16!! Is he gonna race next week??
Oops! Never mind Sad Diego is west coast.......
666... dont be stupid, it was Kyle Partridge not Cunningham. Stewie srubed under him and got what he deserved
If these things happen to JS more often than other riders it is likely because he puts himself in the position (A fast guy coming through the pack with focus on the lead instead of what is right in front of him). If you put yourself in the position, bad things will happen. Barcia: How do you plan to win a title if everyone on the track has a beef with you? Better put rear view mirrors on your bars.
you guys are retarted... K dub landed on Ivan last week when Ivan decided to double a section and KW went for a triple yet you dont call Kdub reckless... so many haters that dont actually race...shut up
Ever heard of taking a different line when coming up on a slower rider? Common sense goes a long way; once again Stewie's head was up his butt while trying to come through the pack. It's just like skiing/snowboarding.... you are responsible for the slower downhill skier/snowboarder. It's unfortunate that the AMA doesn't put an end to his disregard to other riders. Looks like his brother has the same idiot gene... By the way, I am still pissed that Rattray's bonehead move took out Christian Craig. What a great comeback ruined by "Bubba-like" riding! I've gotta' admit though; Stewie's first turn blunder made the race better.
who cares who landed on who? its supercross, it is part of the sport .
deal with it or don't put your name on the entry form.
if ya don't like watching a reckless sport then change the channel.
or change sports.
Wasn't beer invented by a monk?
The first rule of racing as others have posted before me, don't follow the guy in front of you 'cause if he goes down he's taking you with him, still applies. Sure there's a championship on the line, and the money that goes with it. But all the fame, glory and money in the world is useless if you kill yourself. The money might help if you snap your neck and live, but what quality of life is that? If Bubbles didn't land on that tough block the Asterisk taxi would have taken him back to the pits. Fastest man on the planet? Probably. Smartest? Not even close. Watch the head on replay that they showed in slow motion, as talented as he is he could have easily split those two riders. As talented as he is he SHOULD have split those two riders. After all, how many times has he changed his lines at someone else's expense? If he hadn't crashed he would have clawed his way back up in to the top 5, maybe even the podium and since I'm no math genius, I'll guess that he would've maintained a slim margin over Villopoto. Now he has to play catch up, again, and he'll probably go nuts and make more bad decisions. I hope not though, the racing is no fun when the top guys are all out with injuries. RC always said on a bad night you have to limit your points loss and not make things worse, be smart etc. Bubbles still doesn't get it.
The sport isn't reckless, individuals are reckless. By comparison, it's like blaming spoons for making Oprah fat.
If JT hadn't of spun...If Stewart wasn't following....IMHO, both riders were equally at fault....It sucks but that kinda stuff is going to happen with track the designs of today. But, hey big jumps and crashes sell(tv) air time and tickets! welcome to the show!
the sport is reckless by nature. don't try to deny it.
top pros risk their lives everytime they practice or race. if shit goes down, or there is a mechanica,l and things go bad, they can go real bad. sure its assumed risk, and people that are natural risk takers are gonna excel, but...the fact is, when you look at the big picture, this sport is very risky and it would take what most people in the mainstream call a reckless person to participate. just because we are immersed in dangerous activities, doesn't make the reality any different.
it is a reckless sport that is on the edge of what many people would call 'nutbar'.
that is why these dudes get paid, and should be getting paid more to scrub the shit outta 70 ft triples.
the odds are good something reckless is gonna happen when ya got 20 of the top dudes in the world on a sx track.
I'm curious what everyone thinks about the sipes/wharton incident. Personally after only seeing it a couple of times I dont think it was as bad as everyone thought it was. I don't think sipes SLAMMED him... I think they got hooked and inertia (sp) took it from there. haha... either way GO BARCIA!!!
nothing wrong with the sipes move, wharton had a 1/4 wheel, but sipes was inside.
not the smartest move, but nothing 'wrong' with it.
barcia and wilson battle was cleanvery hard and risky/reckless, but still clean,.. erin bates baited wilson post race interview into saying he thought it was not clean. weak. wilson was just as on edge for the first half or the race.
Stewart is so typical in that he feels entitled. When most riders go under the AMA Supercross microscope for all to see, they're somewhat responsible for their actions, but Stewart knows that if anybody from the AMA ever gives him a hard time, he can pull the race card, and the AMA knows it too, so they're never going to say a word. Meanwhile, the other riders don't want to race with him like they do with the other guys, i.e. stuffing him, brake-checking him, cutting him off, slamming the door, clipping his front end, crossing lines on him etc., because if they do, the race card will be pulled.
Stewart knows he's got that race card, and that if he doesn't pull it, some bleeding heart, white guilt type will pull it for him.
I say he should be treated like a normal pro by the other pros, because his whole career, it's been a one-way street, and he's the one who has done the abusing.
When he's riding in the back of the pack, he should expect them to be more squirrelly than the leaders. Back-of-the-packers make more mistakes, they have more arm pump, and he should know that if he's going to hang around at the back of the pack, he needs to be a tad wise and a mite gingerly about picking his lines and passing people on tech triples. It's as if he looks down in front of his front fender like a novice, because many times, he fails to see things that are happening right in front of him and runs right into them.
Maybe he doesn't have the mental capacity to be a great champion, to make wise choices and be consistent. He has too much of that "gimme" mentality. He doesn't have true humility or compassion. Any humility he displays is merely an act so he gets what he wants. Occasionally he'll break dance like some funky football player in the end zone, or put a racist "bro show" to put it in all white people's faces, revealing the racist within. If he ever gets what he deserves, we can rest assured that Jesse Jackson will arrive on the scene to cry the blues.
jairtime, you sir are not only wrong, but absolutely insane.
have fun with your delusion.
or...........you are the biggest/best internet troll ever.waaaaaaaay too over the top to be real?
the willy t ribbs reference? really?
how is he supposed to know that thomas is going to mess up on that jump, maybe he didn't think splitting two riders on a triple was a good bargain. maybe wait til the turn. That was a rythym section that got kdub, and made canard mess up too. Maybe if he blitzed between them on that straight, it could have been worse.
who can say what goes on in the head of a supercross rider? what would (insert name here) would have done?
we have been complaining about the 'too narrow, one line tracks' for 5 weeks now.
just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, that could have been anybody who hit thomas, in that situation..
Stewart was 30 ft behind as he was exiting the turn, watch it again. He made up that 30 ft in about a half second.
Seriously "sef"??? Seriously???? I'm well aware of both of those expressions fella!! YOU don't see that the fact that you have to make it "very clear" that you are not being racist has some racial implications of it's own!! "Hey folks, just so you know, i'm NOT being racist when i say true "colors" while talking about a black man even though i put the word "colors" in parenthesis"!! Seriously sef???? Yes, we all know those phrases well, therefore, there is no need to clarify your lack of racial intent. I honestly would not even have thought twice about it had you not drawn attention to it. Whatever.Here we are in old familiar territory again, and i don't have the patience to argue with you. It's ok if it's anybody else but Stewart, WIndham was every bit as much to blame for not noticing Tedescos "mistake" and change of pace and he should have pulled up and slowed down and avoided contact!!! ITS RACING MAN!!! "Up to the person behind"?? sure it is "sef", and like i said, for insurance purposes, JS is at fault, and if you hit somebody from behind in a vehicle, you will pay for it, but it doesn't mean you were "reckless" or negligent, it might just mean you didn't have time to stop or avoid the contact.....RIGHT?? You are every bit as "blind" my friend!! Im sure JT appreciates your "competition" remark also. Everyone is competition on the track guy, especially if you do have misfortune and end up in the back, they are your "competition" also. Not buying that one!! HAHAHA "bd" you and your "veterans" of this site....that is funny!!! I have the least race problem of anybody on here dude!! Here you go again looking at it ONLY from your same 'ol i don't like STewie point of view!! What would u boys honestly say if the tables had been turned?? My money is on it wold be JS fault for not doing the obstacle...you would never admit it, but i know better!!!! ANd are you seriously going to stick with the whole cutting in front of RV thing??? He was several bike lengths back man, oh but i forgot, RV is YOUR boy, so ofcopurse you are gonna have HIS back. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT my man!! This is futile!! iT's fun sparring with you two, but futile!!
A Fantastic night of Supercross Racing in Houston, TX! Gritty, tough rides and some surprises too. That's what we pay for in the grandstands or on TV at home. It's a BadA$$, unforgiving, take-no-prisoners blood sport, period.
The strongest, toughest (mentally) & luckiest usually win; the weak pull over while getting lapped. It's been that way since the beginning of Motocross & Supercross is no different. Train harder, ride faster, finnish better.
The B.S. that is discussed on these comments page makes me laugh. Wow; serious head games. Some of you get a little too worked up with each other over stuff that the guys out there racing have already forgotten about or at least put behind them. Too many Red-Bulls, Monsters or Rock-Stars (drinks) all day long?
Those of you who have never pinned-it (Amateur or Pro) when the gate drops still don't get it. These guys are Pro Athletes. Rookies or Veterans, they all know that $hi+ happens when you race; accidents as well as on purpose. Accept it or go home.
To all the riders that competed in Houston: thanks for a great show this weekend! You are making it a better series every Saturday Night! Great to see some new Faces atop the podium too!
Nice race.. And am thrilled that Canard won! He deserves it!
As for the JS... He screwed up the start, and was too eager.. And for the crash with JT.. Well watched it in slow motion.. JT seemed to go slower than what he ought to.. Resulting in JS crashing on him... Racing incident.. And the AMA did not reprimand JS... So there we go...
trick.. Try not to get too upset with the Stewart haters... Seems a pretty common thing... Look at this way.. The more a rider grows in popularity.. The more they will also dislike him.. And let's face it.. Stewart is by far.. I repeat by far the most popular rider... It will be normal he will also have the largest haters... I used to work at dell when they were briefly #1 in sales... As a sales analyst... We also noticed the complaints have grown substantially... Could remember the endless and senseless meetings in Austin (TX) on how can we improve this?? Ha,ha.. Who cares.. As long as the sales were good..
Was also on a french forum.. And my goodness.. A lot of JS haters as well.. And only difference on that forum.. The haters did not mid giving away their race.. Ha,ha.. You gotta hand it to the frenchies for being upfront on being a racist.. ha,ha.. France has a slightly larger problem when it comes to immigration compared to other countries in europe. But these very same guys still believe CP would have kick ass if he was riding in SX...
Futile and absurd...
All in all.. Even though I am a JS fan... Was super thrilled that Canard won... And there are 11 rounds to go... Many more mistakes can and will happen.. Ha,ha
And.. For added note.. JT did not curse JS... Which only leaves me to conclude he knew.. He did something wrong as well... If I was hit from nehind and I did nothing wrong... Js or not.. I would make sure the guy would know my unhappiness....
JT just walked away like a dog with a tail between his legs.. Ok... He was banged up.. Maybe... But still... Would sue JS afterwards.. If JT had a case.. Isn't the USA the land of law suits? JT has not a case against JS... He knows that.
@Didierlotsyeng --- JT doesn't have to do that just to prove stewart is wrong. IMHO, JS misjudged the situation. Kyle Patridge, then JT47.. Now who's next? Or would he still be lucky the next time he'll land on somebody?
And oh.. one thing... All Ralph Sheheen cares is how lucky JS7 was? Haven't he thought how unlucky JT47 was?
It must be serious love... He really is inlove with JS!!!!
meickey.. Ralph was, is and will always be an idiot.. Am amazed as to why he is still being kept as a commentator....
As for JT.. i hope he will be okay and live to race another day.. Seems like a nice dude.. And reason why he will not do this.. what I believe reading about JT.. He loves to ride and race... And despite his respectable age (For Motorcross pro then..)... Hopefully he will be able to achieve some respectable results.
Hope JT$ is OK...great guy...and when you race SX and you are as fast as JS 7 you pre plan for passing riders in jump sections, not jump behind them in the same
line. If JS 7 would have done that JT$ would be racing next wk end. Been there done that in Pro SX...great job to Trey. Happy B Day Mike on Saturday, nice
present by Barcia...
Seems we need a character limit on posts. I think some dumb asses think they are auditioning for a spot on the RacerX staff. Who actually reads those long ass stupid posts? Get a grip.
whatever, you can't even tell the truth in your response! I put "colors" in parentheses? Go back and check, pal ... it didn't happen. I put the entire expression in quotes in my second post in explaining what I said. You sure know how to reach.... I said, "No pun intended," because I know some people have their PC radar up so high (like you, apparently) that any mention of "color," whether it refers to race or not, will be misinterpreted. Thanks for proving my point. And I'm sure Thomas would be honest enough to tell you that he has no delusions of beating Stewart to the finish (barring a crash that DOESN'T involve him getting knocked off his bike). You refuse to so much as ADDRESS the "history" component of my argument - because you HAVE no argument there. I'm not saying Stewart intended to crash (who does?); I'm saying he's reckless ... and his career shows that clearly. You "don't have the patience to argue with [me]," but you write long diatribes to do just that. Good one.
Pizzacorner .. Ha,ha.. Makes perfect sense... Putting a limit on the characters.. I doubt Racer X could afford my services or from others who posts.. Who would like to work for such a lousy income..
SEF!! Oh, i'm telling the truth alright..... Go back to the first post FELLA.....IT DID HAPPEN!! Just the word "COLORS" in quotes......who can't read buddy?? Wow, amazing how you are not even aware of what you write and you claim so boldly that you didn't!! Have you found it yet?? It's there... here, i'll paste it here for you, you said.............whatever, you're showing your true Stewart "colors" again (no pun intended). Those, my friend, are parenthesis around the word "colors".....before i even chirped a word about it.....THANKS FOR UNPROVING YOUR POINT AND PROVING MINE!!
Freakin' Stewart! He has TWO riders in front of him side by side and he just jumps like no one is there. One of them is Alessi to boot. Who is going to expect Alessi to be doing every obstacle every time? Neither rider did the jump as Stewart was expecting. Why Stewart lands on people so much is exactly why he comes through the pack so fast. When he doesn't land on someone, it is by chance, because he doesn't slow down any and use his head. Rewatch A1 and see how many times he is coming down from a triple or double right next to a guy. One guy bobbling will have another Stewart "land-on". It's simple probability that Stewart will land on someone when back in the pack. Like rolling the dice. He had no shot in the first turn and just "rollerballed" into it knocking everyone out. Then he takes out JT$ in one of his now patented moron moves. Maybe his moniker should be changed to "most dangerous man on the planet". Only injustice is that he was able to salvage 15th, while JT$ was the injured one. That's usually how it happens though, right? The person in the wrong hardly ever gets the worst of it. Wonder if Reedy is still going to be all hugs and kisses with James now that Stewart crushed him in the first turn and ruined his night as well?
You’re right, whatever. I also put "competition, "accident," and "not accident" in parentheses. Was I discriminating there, too? Thanks for making the argument about parentheses. I guess it's true you've got nothing else. Try to make it about race, or MY bias, but there are PLENTY of people here who know it's about a rider with a HISTORY of RECKLESSNESS. Huff and puff, but you’ll never blow that argument down. (Not realistically, anyway.)
I stand corrected on one thing, i seem to be confusing using "quotes" and "parenthesis" interchangeably.......i will go with "quotations".......my point is the same, you bring attention to the word "colors" and say no pun intended.......i would have thought nothing of it otherwise!!!
Get over it.
Whatever, you do seem to be avoiding the history issue and trying to make this an argument about something other than what it is. What are you afraid of? The pattern is there, that is established. Would you have us all believe that they are all just racing? or the fault of the slower riders? Where do you stand on this?
whatever, it cracks me up everytime you say you have the least race problems of anyone. Yea, right?? Thats bull, we know why you are a Stewie fan. And when Stewie doesnt race, you arent even on this site. So, why are you such a huge Sterwie fan??, most of us know, but tell all the others whatever. I could care less what Stewie looks like myself. I was a fan at one time, until his huge ego got in the way. My son had posters on his wall and everything. I think he still has one, but he isnt as big a fan as before because we never see him race anymore. That is why we arent big fans of his here, not his looks, never meant anything here. He is egotisticle, and thinks hes mister perfect. And thinks he is bigger than the sport. Thats why I dont cheer for him anymore. I dont hate anyone, dont wish any injuries on anyone. And I do enjoy it when he races, the more the merrier. But hate when he or everyone else makes excuses when he acts like a fool on the track. Have you noticed how many times it has happened to him, and not anyone else?? that should tell you something. He has been involved in more crashes just like the one Saturday than any guy out there, that alone is pretty telling to me. And 11 shots at a big bike title, and only has 3, those stats dont sound like a legend to me either.
there is no difference between euro trash racism and white trash racism.
some of you are embarrasements to the human species.
racist f*cks.
He'll never give in, Open Class. The funny thing is, whatever, I've agreed with a lot of your posts this year. But when you get into your "defend Stewart at all costs" mode (there are those quotation marks again), you'll be arguing with a lot more people than just me. If you're totally honest about it, I've been a lot kinder to #7 than a lot of people out here. But the history is one of recklessness. He's not going to escape that. Remember, the crash with JT was his SECOND of the RACE (NO PUN INTENDED), and arguably he held some blame in both. To argue that Windham's record is comparable is ridiculous ... and I think you know it, deep down.
The only reason Allessi got top ten was because Stewart took himself out of contention along with Blose, J Thomas and Brayton. Windham crashed and Metcalf gave him a gift in the last lap when he crashed. Allessi is a non-factor. Allessi cant even compete with his 16 year old teamate, Roczen.
HEADLINES: ROOKIE ROCZEN BEATS STEWART IN PREMIER CLASS RACE
Get over it sef?? I guess if you chose to ignore it as you are , i will.Im growing weary of this, what we have is the same old story of differing opinions, plain and simple. You have allies in your camp and so do i....it's no different than it ever has been on here. Open Class, i will discuss this in any way you want to. I'm not defending Stewart blindly here, i just honestly believe when looking at the incident that they are both equally to blame, and yes, open class, as others have stated, it IS just racing to a certain degree. Why do you not think it is?? Nobody has yet to hoinestly answer the question about how they would feel if roles were reversed in this one. I truly believe people would say that James screwed up and didn't do the obstacle and as a result the guy behind him was committed to it and that would be the end of it. I really believe that. None of you can deny that when JS is involved it gets amplified. As for the history sef, ok, 3 times now this type of thing has happened. Windham did land on a guy last week, you cannot deny it, but since he has no "history", it's no big deal, but the first time JS had this happen in the RC incident, he was railed just as much. Lets just accept the fact that many people are a lot harder on him just becuase he is James Stewart. Whatever, im just gonna watch closely for this type of thing the rest of the season and see what kind of reaction it gets depending on who is involved!! "bd", you make absolutely no sense dude!! What the hell are you talking about when you say you know why i like JS, are you implying it is because he is black??? Seriously?? That is a hoot guy!!! Pull your head out yer butt would ya mr. Speculation!!! Since you know, why don't you go ahead and announce why it is you think i am a fan!! That was a dumb post man!!
I'm not going to get into a huge argument here, that's already been done. What I'd like to point out though regardless of JT$ not completing the section as planned is this........even if JT$ had properly tapped that double to step on to the table, Stewart tripling on is still MUCH faster, and I believe he may have still made contact, quite possibly a little later though as they stepped off the table. My point is, it was going to be an extremely close call for a big crash no matter if JT$ made it or not. It was very high risk for Stewart to triple on no matter how you look at it, and that is why I am leaning towards the fault being on Bubba. History proves bad decision making coming through the pack, but that's already been said. It's no fluke JS was in the middle of an incident like this. He took a big risk no matter how you slice it, and it bit him once again.
For those who want character limits, go Twitter. More than character limits on posts (at least break it up into short 2-3 line paragraphs so it's readable), this blog needs a bit less criticism.
And why the constant dumping on riders? What's up with that? Jealousy? Never had the fortitude or discipline to race yourselves? Why so much hate? Enjoy the racing.
Because you have a keyboard and an internet connection doesn't mean you have an opinion with any value. The lack of depth in the thinking before posting is stunning. Admiration for these guys should be the priority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF0UVeifF_g
Watch the slo-mo at the end, Alessi on the inside gives a good gauge for where JT$ would have been had he completed the section properly. JS closed in on Alessi (and JT$) fast, and had he landed the table without contact with JT he still had nowhere else to go except right behind him in the same line off the table because Alessi was on his right. There's no doubt in my mind he shouldn't have tripled in.
I believe that anyone who tried to jump that triple when working from the back with two riders in front would have been wrong to do so, and responsible for wreck. Anyone.
Landed on RC out doors, changed lines on a triple and undercut partridge, pushed his bike in front of Preston, pushed his bike in front of KW, landed on IT, and now landed on JT$. The observation by most if not all is that JS7 seems to have a larger % of these types of incidents. They also seem to come when he has a strong sense of urgency to get to the front, either from a crash, bad start, or...
For the record, I watched the KW/IT incident again and KW clearly tried to take a different lane and bounced wrong into IT. Yes, KW is at fault. I hope you can see the difference between the two incidents as they are entirely different scenarios.
Retardcross... Of course.. The safest thing would be not to triple it, But hell.. JS was fixated on going though the pack as quick as possible... In my younger days I raced amateur and did some local sand races... I had a bad start.. I did the same.. Raced aggressively and bumped a lot of guys.. Now imagine some weird looking guy like me having some angry ducth white ass farmers coming up to me after the race and complaining about my rough riding? Of course in amateur back then maybe today still.. I got reprimanded.. But that is another story... All in all... JS paid the onsequences of his bad start... Let's hope he avoids this... And for those rooting for RV.. They hope will make many more liek these! Ha,ha.. You gotta love racing!
BK-R , "Most dangferous man on the planet" , good one ! Jimmy did you really say RV will not wn another race all season inlcuding outdoors ?
JimM
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Thats fine Open Class...i do not think that Stewart is somehow not at all to blame here, i just think it is a combination of things. As far as people saying he needed to take a different line, i just watched the race again and counted numerous times that Dungey was a couple of bike lengths behind Milsaps, and then Canard, and he took the same line over a triple, so close that if something had happened that prevented the guy in front of him from making the jump it would have been disastrous and nothing could have been done.Can you not also see that this type of thing is so close to happening all the time out there?? This one has run its course!!
Ok, B-KR...you really think that start crash is his fault?? Yes, he is all over the place at the start, but it had no effect on the major pinch down that happened on the inside of that first turn. Sorry, that was just a short straight with a super tight first corner. Go watch it again and look closely to see that his fishtailing, though obvious, really didn't affect the pile-up, that was going to happen anyway,IMO!!!
Easy to spot a real racer in these posts who speaks from years of experience. Used to race some of the same Indiana & Michigan MX tracks that Larry Witmer raced back in the day and Larry knows race strategy.
Why a guy with JS 7's talent & ability didn't plan to jump slightly right of JT 47 and thread the needle between him & MA 800 is perplexing. He's one of the few that could do such a thing except..., he lacks patience. Fast + reckless = 15th.
JimboMX374... Most dangerous man on the planet... Ha,ha... Nice!!! Maybe they shud put JS on the same list as Osama... Ha,ha..
RV not win?? idiots.. he will win more.. And I see him a real contender for the title... SX and MX... Dungey will not win.. Sounds more probable...
Actually B-KR, Reed was pretty cool after the race, said he hated the track, hated the first turn, and that he was fighting for every inch of the track and "unfortunately, me and stew ran out of track and ended up on the ground"....i dont think he looks at it like he was taken out by anybody!!!
blame the the announcers. ralph sheheen: ohhhhh, and stewart goes right into the back of 48 jason thomas, taking him out!!!!! Emig: thomas doubles, came up a little short and stewart lands right on him.
announcer who knows how to announce properly: ohhhhh!!! JT clips the top of the second jump, loses his drive, and stewart PLOWS into the back of him!!! james simply had no place else to go, dont you agree ralph???!!
Ralph Shaheen: Yeah jeff - but you know, he is the fastest man on the planet, so he should have been able to just fly over jason thomas, dont cha think????
and where was erin bates, when you need her??
Is there a reason people are failing to acknowledge the video I posted that clearly shows a big problem coming even if JT$ completed the jump the way 95% of the field was doing it? The bottom line is JS jumped a way faster line behind two slower riders who were essentially side by side. JS was going to be coming in behind them way too fast, the only difference is that if JT$ made the first jump it would have just delayed the crash for another 10 feet down the track. How is this even disputable? Watch the video for F sakes lol.
Erin was trying to "make the most minimal amount of mistakes." LOL
whatever, did you really compare Dungey racing with Milsaps and Canard to Stewart coming through the pack on JT and Alessi? Come on, man! Here's another expression for you: apples & apples ... you catch my drift?
I watched the YouTube clip. Stop & look at the frame @ 1:37. JS 7 was lining up to split MA 800 & JT 47 down-the-middle but again, he lacks the patience & planning to carry out such a move and follows JT 47 on the outside line.
Stewart's come-from-behind mental race management is poor, period. He's fast, put repeats mistakes, on his part, that are avoidable.
JS 7 is one of the all-time best at scrubbing & moving the bike around. He's been a Pro for about a decade now. Will it take him 10 more years to get it right and not crash out other riders in the process?
Help him, Larry Brooks.
Sometimes you need to slow down to go fast. He forced the first turn crash. How many times this year has he lapped slower riders? Did he follow? If you took an IQ test for the last 20 years most of the champs had brains. This one slipped through the cracks!!! He races like a video game where people get up after you land on them.
maybe thomas should have been over on the track a little OFF THE FASTEST TOP 5 LANE. but then again he needs a paycheck too! No ones fault? after i read to yz125 post I quite reading. not enough time in the day.
I just watched it again (very entertaining race, by the way). One interesting stat that ralph mentioned before the race, was that stewart is collecting wins at a faster rate than r/c did, but not as fast as m/c. But, r/c retired at 27, and m/c won his last title, at age 29. How long will stewart go? If he went as long as mcgrath, he could get 100 wins, a record that could never be broken (everyone says right now, that mcgraths record will never be broken.) stewart is only 8 wins shy of r/c, and stewart is only 25. If he can stay healthy, he could do it. How any injuries did m/c have, anybody know?
if you watch every shot of that race, focusing only on that straightaway, where stewart, thomas, windham, canard, all had trouble. half the riders are tripling onto the tabletop, just like stewart. the other half are seat bouncing up to it, which is slower. the slower riders are slamming into the face of the second jump, and seat bouncing up onto the tabletop. even the guy on the inside of the turn is doing it, when stewart and jt are there. thomas hit with his front end low, and was not able to seat bounce it, hence the crash.
some people on here are saying, that stewart should not have been going that fast through there, when in close proximity of much slower riders, who just cant do the big triple, that the top riders are doing, and stewart needs to be more cereful when coming from the back.
the videotape doesn't lie. im glad i recorded it. that was the opposite of a boring race. almost had a gut wrenching victory for 33 year old kdub! but the rookie wins! 3 of the big 5, are wayyyyyyyyy back with a yardsale first turn! 350's are competitive!!!!16 year old in 7th! Alessi gets a top 10!
and the beer is very COLD.
also, that first turn was not stewarts fault. i changed my mind. watch the very inside rider. he is fishtailing also. must have been slippery. focus on the inside rider as he come to the first turn, and block out stewart. he is pinched off anyway. anyone know if there was a crash in the heat race they showed hi lites of?
in the heat race that dungey won, watch the very inside guy. he is totally pinched off 10 ft out of the gate. then the guy to his right gets pinched off, another 20 ft down the straight, etc, etc, etc. that was the dumbest start design i have ever seen, but it was entertaining. maybe it supposed to be a 'sharp' contrast to the freeway first turns of the last few. i cant wait to hear what the riders have to say about all this.
i meant: not a faster rate, but at an earlier age. or something like that
Stacy, you don't have to kiss up to "the brothers" out of fear that they will gang up on you. Your white guilt will consume you. You don't owe them a thing. Wake up.
Watch Barcia's heat. He was totally pinched and slowed down and tucked inside and got the holeshot.
A bit late, but we get the race late. I really didn't wanna read to much into the stewart dangerous riding thing. But I just can't believe wat he did in this race. I have to admire his will to just be in front. But sometimes ya gotta be realistic. His gate pick was hit or miss. He missed it but proceeded to wipe out the whole field. And than landing on JT$ it was a tough section for the top 3 riders. I think it was the only one that was seperating a few and just bam! I see the mistake that JT$ made. But 7 was always gonna hit him. But to top it off the commentators. Wow, I was a mad Emig fan in his day. But to basically hear no regards for the other riders and all praise for 7 after he made 2 silly mistakes, was just sad. I aint sticking up for stewie but that track was sketchy and when someone is giving it all like him that stuff happens. But having a record for being the pro to jump on the most other pros is getting old. I would hate to see him crossing the street. As for 14 I knew it was going to happen, but watching it happen was terrible. Feel real bad for him :( Reed and Poto unbelievable rides. And obviously real happy for Canard. One last thing. Ya know I get real bored hearing Dungey on the podium but forum bashers give the guy a break. He is the Champ, he is riding well, So he aint winning, get over it. He is the real deal
No sef, i dont "catch your drift", im honestly curious what the big difference is in your eyes?? The only point i was making was in regards to people saying he shouldn't have followed JT's line.......all these guys do that at times, with the assumption that the guy in front of them is going to do a certain thing. Dungey was doing that and had something gone wrong last split second, it could have been disastrous. Not just Dungey, hell everybody!! Why do you have such a problem with that apple man?? Have you read the "open mic" column yet?? Get over it....JT has!! And fellas, quit trying to pin the start crash on ANYBODY......the racers themselves blame the track design (Reed himself does), nobody is blaming another rider!! Damn!
did stewart low-side into the first turn, and clean everybody out?
no, he was pinched off with 5 other riders, all trying to occupy a space big enough for 2.
in what way again, did he 'wipe out the whole field'? which race were you watching? he wasn't the only one fish tailing at the start.
and how any riders did stewart jump on so far?
i count 2... tedesco and r/c.... that's one more than windham.
stewart did not land on jt, he ran into the back of him. jt is not mad at him. alessi caused it.
im going bowling.
So to change the subject....Im not a fan of the 90 degree right to single-double-single to 90 degree right. That was such a momentum killer. Same with the triple that Barcia and Wilson had to double-single a couple times. That is too one lined for racing. It's more of a practice track layout.
stewart jumping under partridge sould also be on that list, so 3 not 2,
ooooh... how about a perfectly flat 180 degree first turn., with no berm..
I agree the design was shit. But there is also a point where stewart should thought ok I fish tailed i don't have this start back off and make it through. Instead he kept going which happen to hit reed, than the next guy and the next guy. (yes i seen everyone fishtailing). Dungey backed off. Watch it again
Give it up Groundy.....you simply cannot pin that start crash on one person!! I dont care WHO it is!!
...his fishtailing had nothing to do with it, Reed admitted that all of 'em were going in hard...thats just what can happen with a first turn like that!
I am sure if it was any other rider whatever you would agree. I got props for stewart. My message to my mate just before the main was "stewart is on another planet tonight". But he got to eager. It doesn't make me dislike him. Just stating what I saw. If you don't agree that is fine. Bench racing is not always going to be agreeable.
I did watch it again, i didn't see stewart run into reed, reed was only a few inches ahead, and right next to him.. Even if he shut off, there was no where to go.
also, villopoto was into windham, as they blasted out of the gate, as much as stewart was into dungey and the guy on his left.
just a crappy start design, and slippery dirt
Groundy, stewart coud have been CR, RD,RV, KR, or anybody else and i would say the same thing about that start man!! I wholeheartedly mean that!! I'm not saying that i am speaking the gospel either, im just calling it how i honestly see it, just like you are. I could say the same to you and say that it could have been another rider besides Stewart and you might not be making that big of a deal about it...who knows, right? I'm gonna agree with your comment that bench racing is not always agreeable and just leave it at that!! Lets move on to San Diego, and see what goes down there!!
I guess all in all its good most riders got through this round uninjured. Alot of crashes in both classes.
I guess all in all its good most riders got through this round uninjured. Alot of crashes in both classes.
stewart goes wahhh, wahhh, wahhh, shifts 3 times (watch his throttle arm/hand). then shuts off same as everybody else. he was fishtailing every time he shifted gears.
Here's the thing. With Stewarts talent he should have several more championships already. He's already an 'under-performer' given his abilities and I think that is how his career will be summed up when we look back. Fastest man on the planet who underperformed. But I love him for the chills he gives when he rides :)
whatever, sometimes your responses are truly incredible. Let's see, Dungey is racing with Milsaps and Canard, he knows they're going close to the same speed, he's watching their lines, sizing them up ... then you have Stewart, bombing through the pack, coming up on Thomas so fast he has NO IDEA what he's going to do over a given obstacle. If you REALLY see no difference there, we don't have anything to talk about.
mxjoe99 ! Thats the old pickup pass, Crash into someone, make sure you have the momemtum and land on top, pick your bike up and pass.
JimM
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I am a Reed fan and what I see here is chad getting a good start and closing the door on the slightly out of shape stewart and five or six bikes trying to fit where only two will. Then I see stewart who should have possibly gone slightly to the right a little more and maybe would have missed thomas. Thomas made a mistake and came up way short and left stewart no where to go. You guys go on about following, watch the race and count how many times one bike is behind another. Your off ya heads. Racing has been awesome.
Stacy, Webster defines reckless as: 1) marked by a lack of proper caution, careless of consequences, 2) irresponsible. Risky is defined as: attended with risk or danger, hazardous. I'll agree that MX is dangerous and hazardous all day long. But the sport itself is not reckless, some of the participants are. To quote Dirty Harry, "...a man's got to know his limitations..."
Trick, I know you are a big Stewie fan, but he wont get anywhere near MC,s record. Not even close, sorry. And dont take anything Ralph Shaheen says literally. He is an idiot, and has a HUGE man-crush on your boy there. And RC took off an entire season with a knee injury, raced outdoors and went 24-0. But RC got all his wins while racing outdoors too. Which means no long rests, no breaks. And constant testing and changing riding style for outdooors then testing and riding indoors. It is a whole lot harder to do it that way, than just being supercross only, like MC, and now Stewie.
Oh man, just watched the start replay about 5 more times. Stewart looks like a rank 250 Novice as he swerves to the right into Dungey, Dungey BACKS OFF, swerves back to the left into Canard, Canard BACKS OFF, Short SLAMS on the BRAKES...Stewart keeps it pinned and turns his wheel into the tuff block and then into Reed on his outside pushing the pack wide....as Dungey, Canard, Short squeeze through the now vacant inside with good starts. Any 90 degree start is stupid, but several smart riders ended up with good starts that were actually half a bike length behind Stewie as he slammed them all. Brains somtimes are handy to have around. If that wasn't Stewart's fault....nothing ever will be. Oh wait, I forgot how things work. Nothing ever will be his fault according to some.
i am not a big stewart fan, i could care less. i dont like any one rider over another. And ralph didn't say it literally, just put up the stats on a chart, on the tv screen, i figured it out myself. stewart has a 24-0 also, and i really don't think he is supercross only, if he is, then of course it would be impossible. i am expecting him to show up for outdoors, some way some how.
Im not defending stewart anymore, unless he pays me 600$/hr like an attorney. say what you want about him, i dont care. I put up all the relevant information, and people still say what they say. whatever, im just going to enjoy the races, and not get caught up in the stewart arguments. ***** it..
hey sw460...don't drag me into this.
i am still trying to recover from spending those nites over at micheal jackson's house. its been a long road.
Wow, B-KR..you must know more than the riders who were out there regarding the start!! ALL of them who spoke about it simply blamed the design of the first turn!! But in your all-knowing wisdom, it was James who caused the whole thing!! JOKE!! I'm just waiting for your musings on how JS caused KW's crash....im sure he had something to do with it didn't he?? I mean, he was on the tack at the same time. Go on and on about all the fishtailing and then look at it yet again and watch that group of riders just totally crunch down in to that first turn!! I do admire your tenacity!! "SEF", as always, im done with you on this one dude!! You see it your way....and i see it mine, bud!!!! i TOTALLY disagree with you....100 percent...as im sure you do me!!! IT IS FUTILE!! You wont budge and neither will i......Moving on to San Diego old pal!! We'll see ya on those boards.....u and i be done here!!
......and your last line B-KR..."Oh wait, I forgot how things work. Nothing ever will be his fault according to some.".......ok, but this is also how things work....."Things will ALWAYS be his fault according to some (others)"!!! There is always 2 sides mister!!!
Ok, here is yet another statement from JT about the whole thing. There is a little something for everybody on both sides in this one. Those who say it was a racing incident get validation, those who say James "screwed up" need to hear JT say he also "screwed up", those who say it was a bad decision by James get validation from JT on that one......indeed a little support for both sides!!!! My personal favorite though is with all of that, JT sums it up as a "racing incident"....to me meaning, shit gonna happen sometimes!! Here it is.......
When questioned about the crash, Thomas said, “It was more a racing incident than anything. Mike Alessi bumped me and I screwed up that section, and I assume James thought I had gone already. If I had hit the section perfectly, I don’t know if anything would have changed, but it would have been close. He obviously didn’t mean to. In hindsight, it may not have been the best decision to try and pass me in that spot, but I understand him wanting to get towards the front as soon as possible. It was just a bad deal for everyone.”
Well, if the video footage of the Houston 450 MAIN 'start' doesn't stop the electronic ''TRACTION CONTROL'' rumors from a few weeks back, I guess nothing will. That BLUE YAMAHA #7 is producing some SERIOUS Rear-Wheel HORSEPOWER!
Couple of other observations & thoughts:
Maybe 'SIDEWAYS 7' actually does need some Traction-Control..., at least to keep the bike straight off the gate. Had DUNGEY & CANARD not been on both sides for him to bounce off of, JS7 would have been going BACKWARDS, half way to the first turn.
JAMES might be due for an EYE EXAM... think about it: turning into the TUFF BLOCKS in the first turn (?) causing him to high-side into his old buddy Chad REED, plus this crazy habit of landing on top of other riders/bikes(?).
That kind of thing can happen to people with NEAR-SIGHTED vision or DEPTH PERCEPTION issues.
OR:
Maybe the YAMAHA/AMA/MONSTER people can sanction all other riders to have the backs of their JERSEYS & HELMETS painted in NEON COLORS so JS7 can see them & avoid hitting them in the future.
Just trying to help problem solve....