Sign of the (Lap) Times: Red Bud
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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In this article…
Riders
- Nico Izzi
- Mike Alessi
- Broc Tickle
- Brett Metcalfe
- Darryn Durham
- Dan Reardon
- Justin Barcia
- Justin Brayton
- Josh Grant
- Ryan Sipes
- Eli Tomac
- Jake Weimer
- Chad Reed
- Andrew Short
- Kyle Regal
- Dean Wilson
- Chris Pourcel
- Ryan Dungey
- Blake Wharton
- Tyla Rattray
- Trey Canard
- Martin Davalos
Races
The points standings may be all sorts of spread out in Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross, but the riders are still very close on the track. Check out this week's Motion Pro Sign of the (Lap) Times for proof--in fact, it's so close that the fastest guy doesn't always win.
Check out our lap charts for proof.
450 Moto 1
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Rider |
| 1 | 4 | 2:16.882 | 2 | Ben Townley |
| 2 | 1 | 2:17.203 | 2 | Ryan Dungey |
| 3 | 6 | 2:17.756 | 3 | Josh Grant |
| 4 | 4 | 2:17.965 | 2 | Andrew Short |
| 5 | 2 | 2:18.198 | 2 | Chad Reed |
| 6 | 5 | 2:18.550 | 3 | Brett Metcalfe |
| 7 | 7 | 2:20.218 | 3 | Kyle Regal |
| 8 | 8 | 2:20.353 | 3 | Ryan Sipes |
| 9 | 10 | 2.20.558 | 5 | Mike Alessi |
| 10 | 35 | 2:22.175 | 4 | Justin Brayton |
450 Moto 2
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Rider |
| 1 | 1 | 2:17.154 | 5 | Ryan Dungey |
| 2 | 2 | 2:17.418 | 2 | Chad Reed |
| 3 | 3 | 2:17.513 | 3 | Ben Townley |
| 4 | 5 | 2:18.068 | 2 | Andrew Short |
| 5 | 6 | 2:18.392 | 2 | Josh Grant |
| 6 | 4 | 2:18.438 | 2 | Brett Metcalfe |
| 7 | 9 | 2:18.627 | 3 | Mike Alessi |
| 8 | 7 | 2:19.075 | 4 | Kyle Regal |
| 9 | 8 | 2.20.200 | 3 | Ryan Sipes |
| 10 | 11 | 2:20.805 | 2 | Dan Reardon |
Ben Townley was the fastest 450 man in the first Red Bud moto, and he almost finished it with a win!
Steve Cox photo
Speed is the hardest thing to find as a racer, and you might think Ben Townley would have struggled to get it all back after missing two years of racing. Would he maybe be scared, or gun shy, or less agressive? Nope! Ben has had the pace all summer, and his 2:16 lap in the first Red Bud moto was the fastest of the afternoon. Now he just has to work on finishing these things off.
Ryan Dungey continues to be the man in the second motos though, and that's where he's been making his money.
250 Moto 1
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Rider |
| 1 | 1 | 2:18.062 | 4 | Christophe Pourcel |
| 2 | 2 | 2:19.000 | 5 | Tyla Rattray |
| 3 | 5 | 2:19.162 | 3 | Justin Barcia |
| 4 | 3 | 2:19.453 | 4 | Dean Wilson |
| 5 | 11 | 2:19.750 | 4 | Jake Weimer |
| 6 | 6 | 2:19.791 | 4 | Blake Wharton |
| 7 | 4 | 2:20.077 | 4 | Trey Canard |
| 8 | 7 | 2:20.217 | 4 | Broc Tickle |
| 9 | 8 | 2.20.812 | 5 | Darryn Durham |
| 10 | 9 | 2:21.374 | 6 | Nico Izzi |
250 Moto 2
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Rider |
| 1 | 4 | 2:19.623 | 9 | Blake Wharton |
| 2 | 11 | 2:19.730 | 11 | Tyla Rattray |
| 3 | 1 | 2:19.885 | 11 | Trey Canard |
| 4 | 3 | 2:19.904 | 10 | Justin Barcia |
| 5 | 2 | 2:20.205 | 10 | Dean Wilson |
| 6 | 5 | 2:20.538 | 7 | Christophe Pourcel |
| 7 | 8 | 2:20.723 | 6 | Martin Davalos |
| 8 | 6 | 2:20.800 | 5 | Broc Tickle |
| 9 | 9 | 2.21.078 | 5 | Eli Tomac |
| 10 | 7 | 2:21.433 | 8 | Jake Weimer |
Blake Wharton dug deep during a wild 250 battle at Red Bud, and ended up with the fastest lap time.
Carl Stone photo
Trey Canard has had many days where he had the speed to win, but mistakes or crashes or bad luck prevented him from getting the win. He may have figured it all out now, though, because on a day where he didn't get the fastest time in either moto, he claimed his first-ever AMA National MX victory. It's clear that in a class this even, a few tenths of a second extra on one lap doesn't make the difference. Consistency counts, and Trey's finally into the record book.
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How did Reed get so close to BT and RD being so far off there best... The boys must have slowed down a bit.... Funny how Pourcel's time puts him in 5th in the 450 class and he did the leap too but some still say the 350 KTM needs more power. Hmmmmmmmm I still say it MIKE!!
The first 450 moto and the second 250 moto were some of the best ever! Trey earned that win with desire. Hopefully he can get some more. Red Bud is MX heaven!
You can just see BT getting a little better every week.. If he was in his prime, there is no one out there right now who could touch him...
BILLC couldn't have said it any better. Why do people think alessi's factory 350 couldn't do something 250's and mostly stock privateer bikes were doing all day. Guys are going faster on lites bikes than alessi. His manager/dad/coach/BFF/buttdart dad should get him a spot on bubbas world already. Oh, they burned that bridge too. Townley is blazing fast, RDs gotta feel that. Cummon Reed, We know that Kawi is more than capable of a huge holeshot
Yep, Tony has absolutely RUINED Mike's career, and Mike did a little also. They think they know it all, and no one else can tell them any different,, just ask Roger D. I remember being at Millville, I think in '04 when the Alessis had the "believe the hype" t-shirts.. His first pro race,,, and already acting like a C .....
Well.. One fast lap is not going to win the moto. They should also post the rider's slowest lap. That would show who has the fitness.
I know practice is practice and racing is racing but I gotta think that RD is using what's need during the race and there's still more in the tank just judging from his practice time 2:16:762 over 1.5 seconds faster than everyone else. I do think the battle with BT101 slowed him down a bit and helped Reed get up to them both. And it's not just this race Dungey is usually faster is practice then everyone (I know he's not always) and he's gotten the Rockstar fast lap a bunch of times already. I do hope that Grant, Reed, BT, Shorty and even Bubbles continue to raise their game because I'd really like to know does RD have more speed.
"mrb186"....Slowest lap might not tell much of a tale either, as on the last lap of a moto, a rider may cruise if there is nobody around them. I think the fast lap tells us something, but not everything. Two riders may turn a similar fast lap, but in the details it might be revealed that one rider turned similar laps for most of the moto while the other simply turned one really good lap and then was off the pace the rest of the race. At the supercross online website, they showed us every lap time for SX, but not for MX
I've said/posted it before and upset some people,While Mike is a talented fast kid, and has shown he can win motos here and there, even a few overalls. He has done nothing to warrent all the hype he and daddy have screamed for. NOTHING in the pro's, NO TITLES!!!! Why people always rant about how dominating he is baffles me. I think the press is as much to blame as anybody..... Tony has destroyed the kids career. Grant, Tedesco, Villipoto, etc have all won overalls, where is there hype? (Villipoto excluded, he has won a few titles)
A riders fastest lap time, should be, in the practice qualifing session. Providing that the riders isn't just watching the competition and JUST doing what it takes. ( Which I believe is what happens ) Then....of course, there are the riders that need competition to go fast. So in a nut shell, lap times are a head game! The trick is to be able to make your lap time minus a bit AFTER ONES TANK STARTS TO EMPTY AND ITS ROUGH! The tracks are quite smooth in practice, for the most part.
Answer me one Question...anyone. Why do the factory teams even attempt to put up with Tony? The teams rule the contracts and the riders. If it were me....I'd sign Mike providing POPS is no where near the track or pits.
I agree racer8m but i think truth of the matter is that mike is alot like his old man in alot of ways. its too bad cause mike has talent. although his talents obviosly dont work on a 350.
fczook If RD had more in the tank why did he not get passed BT?? I have NEVER seen RC, JS or RV get stuck behind ANYONE for more than half a lap outdoors, Let alone stuck behind a "slower" rider. I think BT had the speed, He my have got tired but RD still could not get by.
its awesome to see townley posting the fastest lap of the day. lap times may not always reflect finishes but do prove what a rider is capable of. townley was only guy that ever gave villapoto real competition on a lites bike.
BILLC, its obvious that you wernt at the race. Pourcel hit the leap maybe 3 times. Alessi hit the leap at least that many times in moto 2. But he really had to stretch it out to clear it. As did Pourcel. CP actually cased the jump every time but once. But the "leap" isnt the only obstacle there. The entire track is littered with hills. Steep and tall ones, and the 350 definately handicapped him at Red Bud. Most of the hills have a tight corner at the bottom where you cant carry a gob of speed, so the 350 had a slower drive out of the corner and up the hills. But Alessi has a host of other problems besides that. He is the type that thrives off of confidence, and he has none now. Hindered by his team(Dad) and his own ego, he needs to get Dad out, and get a good team behind him. Where he isnt pounded with pressure and negativity also.
Dungey pushed BT 101 the entire last half of that first moto. BT101 rode an excellent race, but the pressure finally got him. He looked back at Dungey more than once, I saw him do it. Dungey was smart, but I really am not sure if he would have pushed for a pass or not. But it really isnt an issue now, Dungey went 1-1 on the day, and has a huge points lead. He knows he could have went 2-1 and still got the overall anyway.
BillyC, I wasn't dissing on Townley. He's riding great and definitely has the speed. He gave RV fits too and there were several times RV just could not get him. I recall JS gave RC fits in a few races where it took RC a bit before he was able to make the pass stick. And RV had a similar problem with RD in the last lites races for RV when he just couldn't get past Dungey but Potto was clearly on fire and didn't need the win. All things aside I just think that Dungey still has more to show. If you don't agree that's fine, no worries. Also I think RD did get past BT101 a couple of time and BT lit it up and came right back because he does have the speed but as it was pointed out Dungey didn't need the win and certainly didn't need to step it up. That's why I said I'd like to see the other riders continue to raise their game so maybe we can see to what level everyone can rise.
Well for someone who did not need the win he was sure trying like he!!. BD do u really believe the pressure got to BT?? He was running out of gas and RD still could not make a pass on him. So I don't think calling RD smart is true at all, He gave it his all to get past him ( maybe you could not see that from the ground but I saw it many times on tv) and could not do it till bt slipped up with half a lap to go. As for me "NOT" being there what does that have to do with the lap times BD?? CP turned a lap that puts him 5th fastest only 1/4 of a sec out of 3rd fastest on a 250!! So I really don't see how the 350 was holding him back unless u think the 350 KTM has less power than a 250 Kaw. fczook I know that and I was not saying you where but u did say u think RD had more in the tank and from what I saw he tried real hard to make a pass many times and could not get the job done so i don't think he had any more that moto. Hey if BT flopped over the other way Reed would have won so there was some luck in there too.
That was the best 250 2nd moto!!!
I was watching practice RD5 was just cruising going fast in some sections i now this becoues my rider HAAS was riding right with him. Then all of a sudden he was gone 1 lap that's all he needed and he had fast lap! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!
Thats pretty much what they all do... Do you know why ??
Sure they are checking out good lines and getting a clear track then put down that great lap! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!
Some guys just seem to not want to admit that giving up 100cc in the 450 class just is not advantageous. I'll post this stat again. Alessi in 2008-2009 holeshot 13 of the 16 motos he raced, 8 of those in 2008 against Bubba. So far on the 350 he has holeshot 1 of 10. I hate Alessi and am glad he is floundering, but the bike is clearly under-powered, which by the way it is designed to be! When KTM is saying the idea is to be less power, more agile, why do people argue that it is not down in power? Alessi needs holeshots to get that leg up in order to do anything results-wise. I remember hearing before the season that he will still pull tons of holeshots. I guess he's forgotten how to do that too?
BKR" I think he needs that cr490 then he might be right back up there! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!
uh, none of you DUNGEY fans can say a word about "fastest lap" bull****...cuz we all know that 7 can lay down a faster lap than even RC could, but that doesn't win races, so RD5 fans, stick with the overall results...don't cheapen how good this kid is this year...
BillC why do you always bring up RC when trying to downplay Dungey's winning? Last I checked he went 1-1 Saturday. Now he has to pass people quickly to be champ? He sat on Ben's rear wheel and pressured him, Ben fell, RD won the moto. Does he get less points for not passing earlier or quicker? Even if he didn't get past Ben, he would be cool with a 2nd and no crash or injury. Some guys go so mental trying to pass for a win that half the time they end up on their head with a broken bike or body. Question: has Dungey ever missed a Pro race due to injury?
You guys make more excuses for alessi than Tony. Listen to BillyC already. You think Barcia wouldn't be busting the Leap every effin Lap on that bike????????????????????? nuff said
BKR" Yes he has in 250 RedBud he crashed on the Bogener ski jump. And at Colorado he went down in the dark and missed the next round. But that was back in the j-law days he's way past that now! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!
Pinned you already said that every 250 was clearing it when only a very, very few did a very few times. We can't speculate as to what Barcia would do on the 350. I agree though that if they did it on 250 2strokes why can't it be done on a 350? Whatever the case I love seeing Cunningham, Sipes and Chisholm catching and passing Alessi late in the motos! Next week he will have Windham and Ivan pushing him back a few more places.
Guys, you do realize that Red Bud is not made of cement. All motocorss tracks change from year to year. I have seen motos back in the day where 125's were jumping Lar Leap every lap. The track builders really built up the jump this season. If you have any old video of Red Bud compare the landing to this years. In years past the third hump was much flatter and more forgiving if you came up short. The run up to the jump was real lumpy this year also and that was killing their drive to the jump. Maybe the takeoff lip was iffy thie year as well. I was not jumping it so what do I know, but if top pros on factory bikes are not jumping something, it must be a pretty hairy jump. With moto tracks you really can't compare the tracks from year to year. It's not like road racing where the tracks stay the same and everyone compares lap records from year to year. Think about it, have you ever heard of moto guys comparing lap times from year to year. Hell, a crappy bulldozer driver can add 1 to 2 seconds to a lap time by just moving some dirt around between motos
well BKR what bench mark would you like to use?? Also it is not just RC That I bring up. Some people talk about RD like he is the 2nd coming so that will draw some comparison ...NO?? I did and do not try to down play what RD is doing just bring up a few points.
BILLC, if you dont think thepressure put on by Dungey is what caused BT101 to lose the lead, then what. He just screwed up with half a lap to go?? No, he choked a little, it happens to the best of them. It happens to Stewie all the time, so why not BT101. I dont think Dungey got tired, he pushed Townley for several laps, and rode hard the second moto also. I think Dungeys fitness is as good as anyone on the track. He knows he doesnt need first every moto for the title. He proved that he rides for a title more than just moto wins when he won the 250 title last season. He has a great team who teaches him to look for the bigger picture, the championship, to get past Townley he may have had to take a huge chance. Maybe he wasnt going to risk going down and losing alot of points, so he was willing to give up first in that moto. Who knows, we sure dont know just from watching the race. But Dungey has a huge lead in the points, and is in total control of this series.
Well bd you ever fall riding by yourself?? If so then U can't say the pressure got to BT, If BT says it thats one thing but we will never know. I don't know how u seem to know who pressure gets to, Even JS just because he crashes does not mean it was because of pressure. Ya push hard the chance of a crash goes up.
I got to talk to an insider on Alessi camp at Red Bud at Alessi isn't happy with that 350. He couldn't clear Laraocos leap while in the past he did it every lap. 2nd moto he cleared a few times but had to strech the bike. When I asked why dont they just give him a 450, the reply was Alessi signed a contract to introduce the 350 and KTM has spent a ton of $ on the 350 so what message does that give consumers if he switches? He will just have to stick it out. I know he's been playing it low that he doesnt feel well but its the bike. It would be good for SX but not MX. The only reason he won hangtown is because it was hard pack. When it comes to loamy sandy tracks where hse power is needed the 350 cant hang with 450.
under powered?? perhaps mike should check ac 222 out his de-carli prepared red bull KTM 350 is rockin
Yes under-powered. By 100cc. It says so right on the sticker on the sidepanel. Cairoli is doing awesome but what would he do in a national? We saw what Townley did to Cairoli at Glen Helen. Now add Dungey, Reed, Metcalf, Grant to the mix and we'll see if Cairoli can hang on the 350. He's an amazing rider, way better than Alessi, and should still win over in the GPs 350 or 450. He has stated that he may race the last few nationals....so let's see how he does. If not he'll be in Colorado. So will Dungey, Metcalf, Townley, and Reed. Should be fun.
One race at Glen Helen , a track 222 has NEVER seen...makes the 350 stink?? Come on BKR.. JG SMOKED RD on moto to..did that mean the Suz 450 STINKS at that track??
Guys u cant compare Cairollis 350 to Alessi. The 350 is good on hard pack thats why Alessi won Hangtown. The GP tracks are way rougher and dryer so thats why Cairolli isnt struggling as much. Besides 222 is also affected, he has yet to put 2 motos 2gether on that 350. Last year he would go 1-1 all the time and now its one good moto and one so so just like MA800. On loamy soiled tracks horsepower matters look at the lap times of 450 2nd moto compared to 250 then count that one seconds to 2 seconds a lap and thats exactly where you find Alessi. I was at Red Bud and Alessi didnt do the leap 1st moto. 2nd moto he did a few times but he had to stretch it almost crashed a few times. Last yr Alessi was doing the leap even in practice. so yeah horsepower counts.
BillC, honestly....I said the 350 is under-powered not that it stinks. It IS under-powered. That is what happens when you have a smaller displacement. Is a 250 under-powered compared to the 350? Of course it is. The whole 350 concept is that it is more agile and has the right power compared to big, bulky 450s that have too much power that the riders can't even use. Does not register in the Pros. In the Pros they do use all that power, contrary to opinion. JG was faster than RD that moto, not the bikes. Just like Cairoli is faster than everyone else in the GPs....by a lot! If he was on a 450 he would be winning even more. He will not hang with the talent in the nationals on a 350, though. He isn't THAT good. Watch at the MXoN in Colorado. Go get yourself a 350 and have a blast, it will be a great bike for amateurs and weekend warriors.