Insight: Payton and DeCoster
Monday, October 1, 2012 | 10:05 AM
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PrintIf anyone knew what Team USA was up against at Lommel, it was Team Manager Roger DeCoster. He's a Belgian himself, and was on hand when Team USA won this event for the first time ever, at this track, coincidentally, in 1981. But in the end, no amount of extra time or prep could get the Yanks up to speed--the conditions were just far too different than what they race on in America. Here's The Man's take, post-race.
Racer X: You knew it was going to be tough going in. What are your thoughts?
Roger DeCoster: Well, I knew it was going to be tough going in, but it was even tougher than I expected. Not to make excuses, we had a few things going against us, and Germany, they had no problems, good starts, no mistakes. Most people thought Belgium or the Netherlands would be the toughest because they're really used to sand, but these three guys from Germany rode exceptional today, they rode above maybe their normal level, and they really came together. They did an outstanding job, I mean, des Nations has been existing for over 60 years, and this is the first time they have won it.
What about Ryan's ride today? I thought he looked a little bit off, maybe not as good as we would have expected?
Yeah, I think all three were not really good enough. We were not in the same league, you saw [Jeffrey] Herlings and [Tony] Cairoli, it made us look how they would look if they came to Anaheim. We could have done a little better if things had rolled our way, but I don't think we had it in us to win in these conditions. I would like the press people to convey to the American public what this track is really like. You hear it's sand, you hear it's big bumps, but if you walk the track here, I walked it yesterday, and the ruts were above my belt line. And they were deeper today!
Coming in here, you had to have some worries about this.
Yes, and that's why we came in early. The riders have to adapt their riding style. In America, the riders want to ride over the front, because of supercross, you have to keep contact with the front wheel. Here, you have to stay on the back, it's almost like riding a jet ski, with how you control things with the back and just let the front float. In three days, three practice sessions, to expect to be as good as these guys--Cairoli, he moved up from Italy and lives a mile from this track. He's here every week, two or three or four times a week. Our guys tried to do the same thing in three sessions. It's not only the riding technique, but also bike setup, we got better each time out but we were not there.
I agree. I thought Ryan's bike didn't look as good as others out there. You said you made changes, did you go the wrong direction?
No, we went in the right direction, we just didn't go far enough. All three guys, really. I think with a little more time, we would be a lot closer.
"I would like the press people to convey to the American public what this track is really like ... I walked it yesterday, and the ruts were above my belt line." - DeCoster
Ray Archer photo
KTM went 1-2 in every moto, and Roczen won MX2. Great day for them.
Yes, KTM, this might be their best year ever. Not only what we were able to do in America, but they dominated in Europe, winning MX1, MX2, MX3, and now KTM dominated the Nations, also. Feels like the old Honda days!
Biggest surprise today? Rider wise?
It's hard to say. We had heard about Herlings, but also you have to give some credit to Cairoli, you know? He seemed to do just enough to win, you know. You almost don't know how much he can do, you know. Everyone expected Herlings to win, and he was faster than Cairoli, but Cairoli won.
Well, you have to lose one of these years, and it had been since '03 that you lost one. And you'll be back next year.
Yes, we'll be in Germany next year, same track where they held the German GP last week. It will be much harder ground so we won't be at so much of a disadvantage.
When Team USA renewed their commitment to this event in 2005, Mitch Payton and Pro Circuit were right at the front of big push. The team has supplied the U.S. MX2 entrant in seven of the last eight years, and they won each time--until now. Here's Payton, post race.
Racer X: Going into it, we thought that it wouldn’t be an easy one and, for the first time in a long time, USA loses. Thoughts?
Mitch Payton: It makes me think of when you told Beeker that you would burn down the USA pits.
I only said that I would do that if Mike Alessi wasn’t on the team.
He wasn’t, so you were going to burn down the USA pits.
[Laughs] I retracted that later on.
Oh okay. [Laughs] No, truthfully, I was proud of the guys. The whole week – we came over a little bit early – and I’ve got to admit, the Dungey family is awesome. I’ve been friends with them for a long time anyway, so that was easy. The Barcia’s we didn’t really know all that well, due to the fact…
[Laughs] Yeah your guys race him every week. You don't bro down with them?
But seriously, they’re awesome. Justin [Barcia]’s a nice kid and everyone got along so good, him and Blake and Ryan. Everybody was working together and talking about what they thought and what they were doing. We were trying to tell them what we could see on the track and they were all open and receptive of it. I think we could do everything we could do and when we got here, the truth is we were outgunned. Cairoli and Herlings were amazing in the sand and we weren’t that fast.
"We knew it was going to be tough ... But we believe our guys are good and, in any condition, they should be capable of running with anyone." -Payton
Simon Cudby photo
You’re not surprised USA lost? What did you think going into the event? You had to know it was going to be tough.
We knew it was going to be tough. We didn’t underestimate anybody. We never were like scoffing at anybody or thinking that. But we believe our guys are good and, in any condition, they should be capable of running with anyone. Today’s the day. If you race long enough, you’re going to win a lot of races and you’re going to lose a lot of races. Today was one that we lost. It’s sad, but yet I’m not disappointed. I thought Ryan [Dungey] rode good and did everything that he could do. I think the track was hard for him to pick up. Justin, for hopping on the 450 for as short of a time as he did, I think he did a phenomenal job. He had a great second moto there and then, I guess, the problem with the wheel there first moto. Then Blake rode good, too. I’m not disappointed in any of them. We can go home. I’m not disappointed and I’m sure Roger [Decoster]’s not either.
As far as Blake himself, he had the inside gate, he didn’t get good starts, fell first moto. Second moto, I’m not exactly sure what happened, but the whole moto I thought he was moving forward and I thought his fitness showed today that it was pretty good too because he was consistent throughout. What’d you think about Blake’s rides?
I thought Blake rode really good. Actually, Jeffrey [Herlings] came over here later and said, "Dude, you’re in really good shape." Then Blake said, "Yeah, I’m just slow." I thought he rode a good event and I’m proud of him. Nobody wants to lose, but everyone in these pits doesn’t want to lose, and there’s no guarantee you’re going to win all the time. We gave it our best and we came up a little short. Sometimes, that’s just how it goes. Hats off to Germany. They won. Kenny [Roczen] rode good both motos. Max Nagl was even, I think, kind of a surprise to most people. Then [Marcus] Schiffer saved the day by staying in there too, so they were the best team and they deserve to win.
You’ve won a ton of these, but you’ve also lost a few. Does this one hurt more or less than the other losses or is it kind of the same or maybe it’s worse because it’s right after the event. How does it rate compared to other times that USA has lost.
It reminds me of losing.
And you don’t like that.
No. It’s not a fantastic thing, but, like I said, you can’t be bummed or disappointed in any of them. They rode the best that they could do today, in the conditions. I must admit the track was really rough, really rutty, extremely sandy. The ruts never stopped changing. It was even way different than we thought it was and even way different than it was when we were practicing here because there were more bikes on the track and stuff like that. It was a good education and I think all three of these guys will have a newfound respect for it.
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...To Payton and Decoster, THANK YOU, for the countless hours you have devoted, all the hard work and effort put into guiding Team USA....with out you, we would not have the track record of success that we do enjoy..Losing this year is not the end of the world, being humbled and seeing that you do have room to improve, will only serve us well when we return to the 2013 Motocross of Nations...Go Team USA!!!.
Everyone has to come up short from time to time to re light the fire. Great job to all the riders from every country that came and competed.
That you Roger Decoster for helping USA become one of the best places to race motocross.
Roger D and Mitch tell it like it is. I was concerned about this one. All the people crowing about how the US can't be beat reminds me of the NFL boards...just not quite as rude. The conditions favored them and that is quite OK with me....we have wore that shoe on the other foot before,and we have dominated in similar fashion.
Tony C. looked pretty good to me in CO a couple of years back...as did Ken R.....so i know that they know how to get it done. I don't think the US fans really understand,myself included,the cultural differences of racing in Europe. I also do not believe our best riders would go over and dominate the GP's in the first season if anyone ever chose to do so. I do believe they could learn it pretty quick,and with proper equipment,eventually get it done. Congratulations to Germany and of course Carioli and Herlings. Sometimes a good ole butt whoopin is good for the long term....keeps a guy working hard. I need to save some money and make the trip to Germany next year....i have always wanted to visit Germany anyway. I sincerly do not believe that the US will start a losing streak,they will just start a new winning streak.
Call it what you want! Dungey going 7-9 doesn't cut it!! If those are 3-3's we win!!
Guy never had a moto off the box all 24 motos in the outdoors.
Pretty sure Herlings wished he didint give up his gate pick but Man I say HERLINGs is FASTER than Cairolli in the sand. He was 23 seconds behind and to close that up to 1 sec and given that Cairolli was well rested and Herlings had just 35 mins to regroup after second moto and come back and race.
Sharff150,, What is your point? what if what if what if what if what if what it.
Doesn't matter, All 3 Americans still road great with the challenge that they faced.
Mitch And Roger are class acts and are great Ambassadors of American motocross.
Looks like our pro riders need more time in the sand such as series like the Florida Winter Am series that use to run in the late 70's early 80's two months in the winter, atleast that's what Hannah & Bailey and a host of factory riders in box vans did while competing with fast guys of Florida (Keny Keylon, Steve Martin, Mark Murphy, Kippy Pierce) on tracks like Diamond Back in Cocoa Beach where Bob Hannah gave Dutch sand specialist Kees VanDerVen a look at his rear fender..
My point is Dungey our team captain let us down!!
Everyone is acting like we made them race Erzberg or something!!
When our top guy goes 7-9, it doesn't cut it!!
It did seem like RD had the hardest time adjusting ( crased both moto's and that NEVER happens to RD )to the track and that surprised me, Ya get so us to the guy just being there every week then to see him off his game like that is a shock. JB's move trying to pass in his first moto cost us a lot also. In the end we had a shot if not for 2 crashes that cost us 14 points we were in in.So over all good job on a hard track.
Congratulations to K. Roc and the German team for winning - Great Rides.
Congrats to the Americans for giving it everything they had. The finishes for Dungey were definitely off for him and Baggett did what was expected of him. Barcia did outstanding being that he just moved up to the 450. Very tough track conditions and our team definitely needed more training to get use to those conditions.
Roger Decoster (class act) great interview from "the man" telling the truth and the way it is and was. Barcia, Baggett and Dungey, Decoster and Payton "thank you" for giving all your time and effort for this race. Next year is another year and the Americans will be back. Glad K. Roc races hear in the US.
They went over there and stood up to the challenge knowing the cards were stacked against them. Let's have a SX Of Nations!! Not many people would show up though.
You can't win them all! That track is an anomoly and if there were ever such thing as a home track advantage for local guys, that was the definition of it. In all reality though, your record as Americans at that race speaks for itself. You guys did well considering you had 3 days to figure that hole out.
@ clyde935
Very well said! I've been thinking for a half hour what I was gonna say regarding the MX des,then I read your post.
To read my post scroll up to clyde935's post-word for word.
Like Mitch says our guys should be able to ride well in any conditions. However I don't blame them they are more supercross oriented like even our outdoor tracks are becoming. When we go back in time we see how our best riders did adapt and rode Lommel and won. Also RC and Stanton tore the sand tracks up along with everything else thrown at them. Europe is old school and it is evident they will whip us on any extremely rough surface. Some of our boys making reference to Anaheim1 and how the Euros would look bad there might need to sign up for the supercross of nations next time. I had to love Blakes comment about being in shape but slow lol. So hats off to the Euros because I now see they go all out from the start to finish, unlike in days past. Now I am seeing the dawn of difference between supercross riders and outdoor motocross riders and the seperation will continue to escalate I believe.
No shame, no blame. Congrats to Germany! No small feet and they should feel incredibly proud of their accomplishment. I sure would!
Wish I could have seen the track in person, it sounds pretty gnarly!
Will get em next year!
@Claxton I totally agree with you .....and the Supercross is causing so many injuries half the AMA guys missed the majority of the season due to supercross realated injuries and or training for supercross -its eventually started to take its toll on your riders -its also so fake i traveled to the US and watched three this year............ totally overated! but like @mxmofo1 mentioned "thats where the $ are"
Excellant perspective coming from two of the most respected in the world of Motocross. I think (as I stated on Friday) Team USA had the most well prepared riders and team. I would like to still believe that statement. I also stated that you cannot control reality from a keyboard, and that Murphy, in all of his anti-wisdom will make you pay with the unknowns, going in.
That said, USA received an un-healthy dose from Murphy, (meaning unknowns) and I don't think preparedness had anything to do with that. Unless you move to Lommel, Belgium and drink the kool-aide Tony and Jeffery drink on a regular basis.
Just like them coming over here, as Roger said. They would be out of their realm as well.
I also would like to note that besides Team USA, having an new found respect for Europe and Europeans, that some of that same (new-found) respect may rub off onto those on these boards who show so little respect for the likes of anything that doesn't have the stars and stripe sewn into their hide, we all are flesh and blood from the same water and dirt that make up this planet. So, maybe try to keep that in perspective when you be-little those who do not share our immediate shores...
OK, Down off the box I go!
Great read, Matthes!
PS Go, Team USA!
Congrats to team USA. Rode hard, rode well, there's nothing to be ashamed of. Congrats to my other homeland Germany! Team Deutschland and crew did an amazing job. Gehen Sie Beyern München Fußballverein!!!
@Sharff150 Our top guy was one of 3 that got us on the podium. That's huge all things considered. I'd have to think all three of them wished they'd have done better, but to say any one of them let us down is just being out of touch with reality.
GO TEAM USA!!!
Folks we train in grevenbroich in winter and sometimes in lommel - all riders hate those tracks the first 4-6 weekends ;-)
After that they start to enjoy riding in the sand. If you grow up on hard pack it definitely takes more than 3 days to adapt!
Outdoor MX is not all about jumps and obstacles it's also about the roughest track conditions thinkable and mastering them (my opinion).
My boy raced nationals here in germany on 85 (last year) and he really much likes tracks with huge jumps - but mastering the sand tracks is here also considered an art!
For the open german championships (8 races - 3 in the sand) YOU HAVE TO BE A COMPLETE rider on all surfaces.
I am sure would your boys been here some more time or would have trained in the sand of FL before they should have had much better results - same for all the Euro riders at SX ;-)
Great riders are everywhere in the world and MY GERMAN TEAM was best this weekend in Lommel! :-D
And thinking about what Markus, Max and Ken accomplished gives my really goosebumps even now!
With the race being televised and seen by so many, I think we all can get the proper perspective on the "sandiness" of that sand track.
I think DeCoster's description of the track and the differing riding styles needed is pertinent to any conversation of the race.
Thanks to Payton & DeCoster, Team U.S.A. will sorely miss them when they retire from the competition........I hope that day never comes.
@spike1911 i agree however Europe needed this result in order to take the US team and many of their supporters down a notch and (although they deserved to think they where superior after winning 7 in a row) - well done Germany and the rest of the Euros! At least it shut up the boneheads who where claiming their team would destroy all and sundry without even bothering to check out the FIM championship and riders!
I am thinking if you didn't ride the track all the time, then you just didn't understand it. I watched the race twice yesterday (thank you CBS). The sand was so deep and the forever changing lines (if you call them that). I notice the riding style is a lot different too. Those guys out there are badasses trying to tame that track, good job to all.
Damn ...if only Sharff would have ridden his 150.....he practiced all week in the cat box................
Soooo Dungey couldn't keep it on two wheels and crashed twice...Are we going to start giving him crap too?
We just got smoked. blame it on our "supercross" style national tracks, but truth is, we just dont have sand specialists like we used to. And yes, cairoli would be lucky to make the night show at aneheim. Even RV isn't as good in the sand as dunge and dunge looked horrible
I was thinking the same thing about the 350's, I had said all along the 350 is good enough to win and there is proof to back it up for years now. Hell a lot of 450 guys got passed by 250's in the deep sand. Its all about the rider not the bike so much.
There is only one track in the world like that OrganDoner, we have won on all kinds of tracks all over the world so don't let one odd duck kill it for ya. We were very close to winning anyway, two less crashes and we could have won it. The Gole was never to beet Herlings or Caroli ( don't think anyone could) the gole was the over all and we came close.
Hats off to DeCoster and Payton. These guys give so much of their time to create opportunity for our best riders. Sometimes a loss (third is still a good showing) is the best thing that can happen. Motivation, determination, desire... all enhanced by the results in Lommel.
Bill C - The "gole". What the hell is this world coming too? Obviously, I can see why you have a lot of time to make post on this web site. I think the word you're looking to write is goal. However, try Webster's just to double check. Damn!
@BillC you think there's only one sand track like that? lol you clearly don't watch the G.P's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOm80oRMAmg (they say that track is tougher than Lommel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgtHtbtYgHQ
The closest track we have to Lommel here in the States is the Daytona SX, unfortunately...
id suggesst them build one even if its a personal one i know i wouldnt want to say "im the fastest rider in the world.......unless its a sand track"
Spike1911, congrats to your boys on a well earned victory! Thanks for your respectful and logical post on this board as well.
One thing I have learned about Dungey is he doesn't take getting beat lightly! Dungey's most valuable trait is he is a thinker. Dungey is not the most naturally skilled rider, but has honed his trade by recognition of the factors involved, and working harder than most at refining those factors. Trust me on this, Dungey now knows what sand racing is about and if he is faced with competing at the level of MXoN on a sand track again, he will figure out what HE needs to be better at it. This is not to say that he will ever beat the top one or two sand technicians in the World, but he will figure out, and then refine his OWN skill sets to be in the "hunt" most of the time. Roger knows this about Dungey which is why he plucked Dungey from the amateur ranks when many didn't even know who the guy was.
All in all I was very proud of how our guys battled, and I am certain the next time the Nations is at a real sand track we will be better trained, and prepared to contend for the win. I just hope the next sand race happens again soon as when you get up in age (like me) you never know how many years you will be around to see the next race! :-)
Great job Roger, Mitch, and all the team members!
Although the US team did well in unfamiliar conditions, it is likely that if they could have had just a bit more experience on some sand tracks that are worked up into serious ruts and bumps like Lommel had, they could have done better. You can practice and set up for sand by riding on some practice track, but to get the surface worked up into similar conditions you need massive traffic on it to get the ruts and holes to develop. We could certainly find sand tracks in the US with similar depth of sand but you still need a lot of laps on the track to develop the right surface so you could set up the suspension. Unfortunately Roger will probably be retired by the next time there is a MXDN on sand so hopefully the next team manager will look back on this experience and know how to get the team prepared. The team still could almost have pulled off the win with a little change in luck. It is probably kind of good for the Euro teams to have some hope to win anyway. If the US would have won this one they would really have been crushed.
I guess some of you boys missed out on how Herlings had suspension problems yet he lapped USA. It was not setup or track time it was riding skill on rough tracks. I bet if they had to do it over they would have asked RC to ride.
Claxton 1 question...why is it that every time he races in the Des Nations he has some sort of issue? Last year his shifter. THis year suspension and ribs? He lapped bagget not team USA only one of the team members. In case youd didn't see MXDN in 07 you will notice Ryan Villipoto lapped all the way to 12th as well. (MX2 bike btw) On a track he does wel at, that's what this is all about really the Americans aren't as good on the sand and it showed. In 07 everyone else wasn't as good at Budd's Creek and it showed.
@looper148- thanks for the links, more rough sand tracks for future MXoN!
Glad Carioli had a great day he has had such bad luck over the years at this race. I don't like how some guys are bashing our guys, we can't always have the good luck and that is what the US didn't have this year, without Barcia's first moto crash causing his wheel to blow up and Dungey's 2moto crash trying to avoid Barcia and the US would have been right in the hunt. But it didn't happen and they had some bad luck. The US can't win them all and other teams can ride well and have the luck on there side once in a while.
Barcia definitely showed the most speed. If his wheel doesn't come apart, which when you think about it is rare, he probably ends up 4-3. The other guys just seemed lost out there, and I hate that because I'm a big BB fan. I'm getting tired of all the "impossible sand track" talk. We have won there before, and everywhere else in Europe for that matter. How much had Johnny O and LaPorte ridden Lommel before they went? I don't think RC practiced in Europe alot either. You can't turn back time but I think a team made up of RV, JS, and JB win this thing. Oh well better luck next year.
I'm getting sick of reading Claxton's posts. Someone above borrowed the word I used yesterday - this track is an anamoly. Yes, there is Lierop as well. Two tracks among ALL the GP and AMA tracks. The US has won all over the world - including Dungey for the past four years. These guys rode that sand for three days total - and NEVER on a race day! Cairoli and Herlings no doubt ride it that many times per week! Not trying to take anything away from what the GP riders; they did great. But to start playing Chicken Little after ONE performance on ONE particular kind of track and condemning the whole AMA system that has produced more Chamberlain trophy winners than any other nation BY FAR - especially if you look at 1981 to the present - is simply BOGUS.
@texag, the only thing you said that made sense was that "you can't turn back time." Maybe riders going to Florida in the winter better prepared them for Lommel in '81 (31 years ago), but there is very little that WASN'T different about that scenario. BB definitely wasn't “lost” finishing sixth in that second moto on a 250 and second overall in class. Dungey had a fall while riding next to “the wild child.” We may never hear what really happened, but if a camera man crossing a track on a straightaway in front of Bubba – one of the riders you claim “would win this thing” if he were there – caused him to throw it away, who knows what effect the flailing Barcia had on Dungey on an already treacherous track. And Barcia didn’t do better in his first race because of HIS mistake. I hate these friggin’ Monday morning quarterbacks who have no clue what it was like out there and the difference between riders who live next to such a unique surface and ride it constantly and riders who rode it three times in a week – and never on a race day. No friggin’ clue. All credit to the top riders this weekend who did what they did. And I don’t mean to discredit Barcia either. But Dungey has won multiple AMA championships and, over the past four years, has beaten Cairoli EVERY moto except his first professional race on a 450 in Italy and yesterday. He WAS the best choice. Not Bubba. Not an injured RV. Dungey’s done the US proud and doesn’t deserve crap from the likes of you.
Mike Allessi should have gone over there. He deserved it way more than Barcia. But no, all because of Decoster not wanting him on the team.
mike alessi lmao that guy would have been lucky to finish the race
Hey self154, Chuck Sun, Danny LePorte, and Donnie Hansen shocked the world at Lommel in 1981. The Belgian sand was a type of ground the Americans were not expected to be competitive at, but that trio shocked the world and marked the start to a new era where Team USA was going to be a solid presence.
Now shut your pie hole and get out your big wheel 200 and make a mini Lommel track in your sandbox. FYI none rode the Florida series these boys knew how to go fast period.
@self154 I'm sorry that somebody else used the word anamoly.A word thats been around for years and years and years.You clever devil you.I noticed you used the word Dungey several times in you rant.I hope that doesn't upset you that a few other people used that word as well.
@ Hey Claxton I think your a little off on that one you need a History lesson and a good F#ckin on this !
1981 USA Donnie Hansen / Danny LaPorte / Johnny O'Mara / Chuck Sun Beilstein, West Germany
roger,mitch telling like it is. even though we could have won (a little less bad luck) it wouldnt have felt good, knowing there were quit a few riders that were faster than our guys.for those of you being critical,you clearly have never ridden knarly sand.
if you dont have the flow,lines bike set up, you might as well wrestle a steer around that place. try doing wind sprint on the beach while juggling bowling balls(for 30 min.) its not that fu#king easy!
You forgot Johnny O, Claxton. And you might want to put your glasses on so you can see what my name actually is. You're clearly quite observant. I’ll shut my pie hole right after you do. Comparing 1981 to 2012 is a fool’s game … which I suppose is why you’re doing it. I’ll say it again; your remarks about “the demise of the AMA riders” after this race show how truly clueless you are.
You're only as good as your last race..How many times have we've heard that and now it sinks in..Team USA will be back and will be motivated for redemption at the next stage of the MXDNations. Kinda of a wake up call for us US fans.
CZ MARK + SKID mARCK tONEWALL + DOUCHE'
You to suck buddy follow each others lead and are F*CKING CLOWNS GET A LIFE You watched it twice what a douche' How could you know what happened blowing each other all day ...............HA HA !!
You got beat you YANK OFFS
@fred - First, another one that can't read. Nowhere does it say my name is "self." And despite your becoming a defensive dolt, I'd made no attempt to "claim" the word "anomaly." If you check the "spoiler” story from yesterday, you’ll see I used the very same word, and I was simply stating that you, too, had used it today. WTF!
sTICK TO YOUR DAY JOBS PUDS. Roczen got the last laugh on all you puncks that called him weak,cry baby and all the american douche' names you can throw he just stuck you all with a big stiffy enjoy the F$CKING YANKS !
My bad Sef now which word did you use yesterday anomoly or anomaly because you used both spellings today dumbass.Yes I know you used it yesterday you clever devil.Your the only one thats ever used it because your so smart and a much better monday morning QB than the rest of us you richardhead.
When 7 or 8 out of the top ten 450SX riders get hurt something is wrong.I'm glad to see that some on here are comming around to the fact that 450's make to much effing horsepower for SX.I'm not the first to point this out but I've been the most avid on here about it.Maybe 2012 was freak of nature but but the top 250 boys made it thru SX.Well except for Deano and he got what he deserved from Tomac.The top five 250 riders made it through the out doors as well.Maybe the outdoors was a fluke( I would of used another word but Sef might spank me if I did)
@sef154
You are one of the many hopelessly immature and irrational reprobates posting here that couldn't grasp the concept of impartiality or objectivity if it was force fed to you. I make alot of sense to folks with an IQ over 100 and more maturity than an 8th grader. I'm sorry if my comments hurt the reputation of your bromance buddy RD. Adults can offer criticism without making it personal. I think RD's a great rider. I have nothing against him but the truth is he didn't ride well, and I'm not the only one who noticed. Matthes mentioned it in the above article. Cairoli noticed RD and BB struggling, and said he was impressed with JB. I understand you are among the many who harbor resentment for JS but he is a great sand rider and has been successsful in the MXON in the past. As far as the only racers having success there being natives history says otherwise. Pretty sure RC and Johnny O never lived in Belgium. Were beaches less sandy in '81? Didn't RC manage to beat Everts? Put on your big boy panties and get over yourself.
@Frickf&$K or whatever semi nutty no take " jackwad of the week " names you endlessly choose when you go off your meds and theres no Stewie to hate..... take your satin 1987 members only disco jacket with the word "dooosh" your mom embroidered across the back because you say it every other word.....and head on down to the bath house for some sack lunch....i sure you'll find true love and your work mop waiting........................ I said nothing to you sh*tstirrer...and I congratulated the winners........you're a f'ing moron and a pathetic wack job...not funny and horrible takes....a sad little boy.................@texag...agree with alot of what you have to say this eve.....
I always love how the Americans make up all these excuses when they loose straight up. RD was scared and you could tell, BB was all over the place and I can't even believe he finished the race, JB has riden the 450 alot he is not new to it as they make it sound, he did very good getting a 3rd and would have done good if his front rim did not fail, but there are no excuses you got your Ass handed to you accept it and admit you are not the best in the world, I wonder if Jeff Emig was watching the des nations?? most likely not... Jeff Emig quote ( Ama motocross, we are watching the best riders in the world right now.) HAHAHA NOT
Stewart Shmewart. There is no way I'd bet Team U.S.A. on that guy ever again.
I see people second guessing the picks and pontificating one way or the other. It doesn't matter who we sent, THAT track and THOSE euros were too much for any combination of U.S. racers to beat on THAT day.
As fast as Stewart may or may not be in the sand, he crashes just as fast too. That isn't something an educated person would allow to risk Team U.S.A's chances on.
If Dungey had stood up and got his ass off the seat a bit more, he would've done a whole lot better that 1st moto. He was trying to corner sat down and coming into fast sweepers sat down. It was really funny to watch him miss the basics of riding sand.
LOLgood stuff guys thanks for the laughs!!!
Pitbull I don't know that we should question Roger's work to help team USA. Also don't the riders tack some blaim?? They knew where they were going and even said they have heard all the talk so Maybe they sould have tried someing also?? Like said above and by me RD did not look good and was sitting down way to much. In the sand you need to hang it out and get out of shape a bit and thats not RD's style. JB and BB ride like that all the time and it showed last weekend
DeCoster: "In three days, three practice sessions, to expect to be as good as these guys--Cairoli, he moved up from Italy and lives a mile from this track. He's here every week, two or three or four times a week. Our guys tried to do the same thing in three sessions. It's not only the riding technique, but also bike setup, we got better each time out but we were not there." He said a lot of other things, too, but the point is several of you seem to think you know more than Roger - which is simply laughable. And when I tried to say the same things, I'm told to put on my big boy pants. My guess is that I'm not the one who needs to grow up. But I prefer not to talk to such self-important morons, so I'll just sign off and wait 'til MXdN '13, after which these same people will either a) disappear (we can only hope), b) change their tune, or c) continue to live in their fantasy world (where they know more than Roger DeCoster ... LMAO).
@cbad nobody knows what woulda coulda shoulda happened if someone else went....not even you.....and sometimes the "not intelligent choice ' like putting Hannah on a 125 etc has worked out just fine...safe bets aren't always a winner.........your anti Stewie/Suzuki is showing lol..I DO know Havoc would have at least been in the hunt until plowing it in....the American way...lol.and by the way wasn't he on two winning teams...... ......i'm glad its over and the OTHER guys will be back soon......maybe we need to have a MXDN back east in the tight woods and send some 6 day guys or in Baja and send Hondas A team...now that seems like a safe and fair bet to me.....the MXDN is like any trip to europe....its fun but its really great when its over and to get home.....
@ pitbull, I think you're barking up the wrong tree, friend. Who was DeCoster helping the other 20-something times we won? We lost, fair and square, suck it up.
@ tonewall, I think your "Anti-Suzuki" statement was inaccurate....the rest, eh...
As for Stewart. he's on the downside of a 11-year pro career, crashes "a lot", the level of support from factory 'Zook for the MXdN was "questionable", was still injured (or making an excuse for poor performances?) and last but certainly not least, as long as DeCoster is managing the MXdN team, Stewart will not be on it and you can go ahead and stamp that.
My level of respect for ANYONE does not overide my sense of putting the best team possible on the track. It just so happens that keeping Stewart off the team and what's best for Team U.S.A. are the same thing.
For me, the one positive out of having sent Stewart (theorhetically) would have been having his azz handed to him by a 350-ridin' euro and the humbling of the "FMOTP" would continue............with lots of excuses from his camp.
Funny how Roger talks about the track, as if he had no clue.
Seems to me The Son, The Father, and The Holy Spirit that Roger underestimated the competition.
@ Woww ........ You guys beat the Americans on your sand track this weekend, but pull your head out of your a** and check the record books. To say your GP riders are the best in the world after so much American dominance is stupidity. They lost this year, bottom line, but to say "but there are no excuses you got your Ass handed to you accept it and admit you are not the best in the world" just shows how much of an idiot you are.
@cbad ...your first part ...eh ...the second part (which is totally hypothetical) eh....I think hes A LONG way past the FMOTP statement but hes FAR from slow and he would have given 110% no doubt on that...some of us still appreciate that.... ...in yet another side to dream land he also may have hauled the mail and..... RV's over the rear pegged style also may have also been another story....and did'nt EVERYONE just get their azzes handed to them by the " here it comes .....the not brand new KTM..lol ."which if you read anything I ever wrote about displacement ...I have ALWAYS believed the 350-400 is the perfect size ...cause it revs AND grunts...its not lacking anywhere and responds and handles more like a 250...they are the future unless they point the cylinder backwards....kinda strange to hypothetically enjoy someone getting beat and calling that a positive.........@jesus ...who wants to argue with jesus.....hypothetically speaking...
Just to clarify I wasn't doubting DeCoster's picks. He picked the best available team. I think it's obvious RD and BB weren't comfortable. My mention of JS and RV was purely hypothetical. Given their recent injuries I wouldn't have chosen them either. But in a perfect world, aside from an in shape RC, a healthy RV and JS would probably be our best bet in Lommel.
@Retard don't worry buddy, Emig will continue to claim US riders are best in the world. He's never had any integrity.
ya, good ride guys...Like most the posters on here say, the usa boys just don't have the skills on a real and rough motocross track...So from now on try to keep the mxdn on smooth freshly groomed tracks!!!
@jesus (who thinks thats actually funny ) ...why is that..Emig do your mom ......or are you just taking out your a*s....like magic....butt-muncher
I think the best motocross riders in the world won at the 2013 MXDN!!! It was a real motocross track as well.....
Thanks to Roger and Mitch for their help in getting the USA on the podium at MSDN this year. You guys are amazing. I think the FIM world championships finished only a couple weeks before MXDN but for Dungey, Barcia and Baggett to finish the AMA outdoor season, with two of them winning championships, and go overseas to get third in MXDN at that track is a great accomplishment. The trend of the SC tracks and more and more the outdoor tracks focusing on jumps to satisfy the TV ratings is really starting to hurt the sport. Big crashes are great for ratings and if everyone walks away healthy, no problem. But the injury rate the last couple years has to tell us something. We have the big TV audience now. Lets just let them run on safe, fast tracks where a rider doesn't have to worry about the rider in front of him clearing the big triple.