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PrintIt’s a relatively rare phenomenon when a racer just steps up his game to such a height that he almost seems unbeatable, and because it’s so rare, many times it takes the fans and media, and even the other teams, a while to realize that is what happened.
In 1993, when Jeremy McGrath started winning one race after another on his way to the Supercross championship in his rookie season, there were a lot of explanations: Jeff Stanton was starting to get old; Damon Bradshaw wasn’t himself; Jean-Michel Bayle had quit; McGrath was only winning because of his holeshots...
But look at what happened over the ensuing years with McGrath. No excuses were needed. The reality was that McGrath was the best supercross racer that the world had ever seen; it just took the world a little while to realize it because he had stepped up his game to such a level so quickly.
Ryan Dungey has fitness, speed, equipment, and the right mindset. He seems unstoppable right now.
Photo: Steve Cox
Now, look at what Ryan Dungey is doing right now. While he wasn’t nearly as dominant in supercross this year as McGrath was in his rookie season, he did win the title, just like McGrath. Outdoors, though, he looks very Jeremy McGrath-like (or Ricky Carmichael-like, since it’s outdoors we’re talking about).
After the first race, where Dungey struggled (to say the least), he has not lost a single overall. During this stretch, he has only lost two motos! The first came at Budds Creek, when he lost his goggles and couldn’t get by Mike Alessi for second. Andrew Short won the moto. The second loss came in the first moto at Lakewood, where Josh Grant came up, passed him, and then took off. Grant is the only rider to do that since Dungey’s win streak started.
But all the while, what we hear from everyone sounds eerily familiar to what we heard 17 years ago: James Stewart isn’t racing the outdoors (yet); Chad Reed is obviously having a tough time with things right now; Mike Alessi can’t compete because he’s missing 100cc of displacement; Dungey simply has the best team and mechanic behind him, as evidenced by Reed’s performance in 2009...
Excuses aside, there's no doubting that Ryan Dungey is plainly dominant right now.
Photo: Steve Cox
While those things are mostly true, just like the "reasons" people gave about McGrath’s dominance, does it really tell the whole story? I mean, is Dungey only winning because of those things? Or is something bigger going on?
The truth is that, while all of those things may be true, and they may be making things a little bit easier on Dungey, Ryan Dungey is winning these races (to the tune of a nearly 100-point lead already, just past the halfway point) because he is the best prepared, the fastest, and to put it simply, the best racer out there right now.
And he’s 20 years old.
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We like to make excuses for him for winning and I don't know why, Stewart chrashed and hurt himself because thats what he does RV can go fast but not under control like RD. RVs two big crashes were because He had to ride over his head to keep RDs pace. RD did dominate like Mcgrath did the season points spread was similar. Dungey has taken Stewarts fastest man on the planet crown, C'mon Stewart come try to take it back!
Great read! Dungey is putting on a clinic right now.
Before his injury last year, Alessi would've been more than a match for Dungey. Better bike? Better setup? Better team? Bigger motor? Family?....Lots of intangibles here but, I think he really was the class of the field. I realize he's a very polarizing figure, plenty of venom for him on this site, but I respect the talent and hope this KID can turn it around and become one of the greats. It's not like he's a j-law type or not trying, I just don't think giving up 100cc in this (U.S.)series is the best plan of attack. In SX however, with a seasoned SX vet, the 350 will turn some heads. All that said, I take nothing away from Dungey, he's earned it, even though he's plugged into the best bike, team, manager, mechanic, etc.
I see alot of the #4 in the #5 nuff said !!
carlbad,, lets not forget that the bikes with 100 LESS ccs than Alessi, are turning faster lap times than he is..
So he must have to beat RC to be the fastest and the best--Right? Or does he have to beat Bailey, Johnson, McGrath, DeCoster. Hannah, and on and on? Please stop with the what-ifs and the so and so isn't there. There is always something every single year.
@05kx250...He did beat the fastest of the World remember MXoN last year....I am definatly a believer in RD now, he has the speed but what is more deadly is he can do it for the whole moto...its a deadly combination for the rest of the field!
ALSO, just like the Stewart, Reed, J-Law, etc. haters out there, there will be the nothing said here that will change their opinion of Mike Alessi. Think about this, he's put the spurs to the omnipotent bubba express outdoors, how many people can say this?
carlsbad,,, Mike and Tony have brought EVEYTHING onto themselves,,, and thats a fact... I would almost guarentee that the Alessis are probably the most disliked family ever in MX racing..
Totally agree Halsey, but 450's are getting clocked by 250's as well. I think there is the mental aspect of going to a gun fight with a knife that probably has #800 beat down or it could be that he just sucks like all the haters want to believe so badly. #800 was / is the best chance for success with KTM (sorry Searle) until next season. The kid is a legitimate outdoor threat.
800 had his chance and his dad helped him blow it !!
Oh no no no no,,, not all of them.. He may be the best chance for KTM, but that doesnt mean anything.. That only means something for KTM, not for a championship.. He's not a "legitimate" outdoor threat this year !!!!
"05kx250" for president!!!
You have to stop taking dirt samples with your visor to win Championships. It's not Dungey's fault JS and RV can't stay off the ground. Are they faster?-I think so. Are they always in control? Nope. I'll take the Championships over being "the fastest" any day.
JDubya,, I'm a RD fan, but to say that he's always in control,,, is just not accurate... c'mon maaaaannnn !!!!
Again I agree. It's unfortunate the dad has that much input into his sons career. We've heard DeCoster, Everts, basically everyone that's been associated with them that "team Alessi" is difficult to deal with and who will EVER forget the Glen Helen incident? All unfortunate for this young man's career. What blows me away is how in the world could Tony have issue with what ROGER FREAKIN' DeCOSTER would think is a correct career choice for #800??? He's done a pretty good job of it with his other 450 rider.
WTF is wrong with stewart. Pulling out of X'games was the worst descision he could have made. I'm sure it was larry brooks descision. He's ruining steweys career like tony alessi did to mike years ago. Mike alessi couldn't get a top 5 riding the 350 in the lights class. For once i will say that YZ'Sean is right. Dungeys corner speed is so precise, they cant handle him and he will only get faster. He's only 20 years old, should have many years left. His bike setup is the best ( I clearly saw that last year when him and CP were battling). He's been beating the best all year, his rookie year. When Stewey passed RD at Aneheim 1, we all thaught it was over. RD gained about 3.5 seconds and almost made a last lap pass. You all forget that??? CArlsbad,>> According to Mike, tony, and KTM , mike was showing up to the gun fight with a bazooka. And if he could win on a 450, They would have made that change months ago. KTM knows he doesn't have the fight to win the title, so they're just debuting their bike in the usa. That little Cy punk probably still thinks he's the best out there. I'm gonna say it one more time. If DEan wilson, Pourcel, BArcia, stroupe, wil hahn, broc tickle had an extra 100cc's they would have been floating LaRoccos leap all day from the inside line. Whats up with that???? Ktm should have brought Cairoli if they wanted a winner in the US
05kx250, who is this fastest and best you talk about?? It looks like Dungey is beating everyone out there, so that makes him the best and fastest. RV2 won 4 races in a row until he went down, he isnt there. So Dungey is the fastest. period. Like it or not, he is kicking everyone out there to the curb. If they were faster they would be winning. I hate when someone says "he was faster, he just crashed." The guy who gets to the finish line first is the fastest guy. I can go to a track and get a 450 going as fast as it will go, then wad it up. Does that make me the fastest guy on the track?? NO!!!! Because I didnt win. Dungey is the fastest out there..
I didn't say Dungey was ALWAYS in control. I suppose you can take it that way. Nobody on a MX track is always in control. To say Dungey has to beat guys that are either injured or don't race the Nationals to validate his talents and Championships is ludicrous.
people go on and on about RV being better outdoors I don't buy it. On the other hand Dungey is looking better outdoors than he is indoors for sure. He is much more patient for the pass and outdoors give him more time to make the pass and more time to stretch his lead and more time to show he won't get tired or overheated. Indoors CP will be more of a factor since a race is only 20 minutes.
RD5 yes is dominating right now. He is on the best bike etc. But come Unadilla when Stewart comes back and races his first national of the year RD5's domenance will be over. Mark my words. #7 goes 1-1 and Dungey goes 2-2. That is all.
Again, I am an RD fan,, but when KW races his FIRST outdoor in YEARS,, and has a great chance to win,,, is really pretty pethetic as far as the competition goes.
"halsey"...Windham finished 47 seconds behind Dungey the first moto and 55 seconds in the 2nd and went 5-4 on the day..........UM.........Again, how did he have a great chance to win???
KDub smoked Carmicheal back in the day, and he will smoke Dungey before the season is over
05kx250, the last time rv2 was beating Dungey (outdoors not supercross) was in 2008 on 250s. Dungey beat rv2 at washougal that season and almost beat him at Unadilla. Since then Dungey has improved his speed, fitness, mental toughness, and confidence. I am not saying that rv2 can't or won't beat Dungey outdoors but it certainly won't be a foregone conclusion in my opinion.
RD is my favorite right now but I just hope JS does make that comeback as planned at Unadilla. Part of me thinks RD really has raised his game, part of me thinks it's just wishful thinking and that not seeing JS outdoors in two years has just made us forget how amazing he really is out there. RD won't have much incentive to really battle him until he clinches the title, but that should still give us at least two pretty intense rounds at the end of the series.
Stewart is gonna go 1-1 after not racing a National in almost 2 years. I doubt it. I will say I am happy he pulled out of the X-Games to race real MX. What was he gonna prove at the X-Games? That he can beat Josh Hansen. Big deal. X-Games is a joke. Windham, while impressive at Millville had no chance of winning. He wasn't even on the podium. RD was 41 seconds ahead of 2nd in moto 2 and Windham was probably behind RD by over a minute.
Pinned927, JS7 is apparently sitting Summer X out to focus on the nationals. That doesn't sound like such a bad idea to me. It shows commitment to what really matters, and I for one appreciate that. You guys should all listen to Steve Matthes' podcast he did with JS7 the other day, Stewart explains a lot, and it's really enjoyable. It's on Transworld and PulpMX I think.
- Lewis,, I'm talking about the competition in general.... It looks pretty sad for a guy that 10 years older than his comp, and hasnt raced an outdoor race in like 5 years, to go 5-4 on the day.. I think most poeple would agree with that,,, dont you ??? I also would be willing to bet that KW gets better and better every race... My God,,, I have to expalin everything... bhfox39,, I guess I really dont remember ANYONE 'smoking" RC... Maybe one race out of 50..... Delete
I've figured out who 05kx250 is he's J-Law trying to piss everyone off!!! You have to be in it to win it my friend...I don't doubt with RV in there it would be more interesting but that the thing he isn't there...As for Stewart he's as useless as a 86 YZ 250 out there, he's all holywood now so good let him go he's a dangerous rider out on the track anyways....
05kx250 I completely disagree with that last statement. When the gate drops the BullXXXX stops
If you're not in it you don't count. Plain and simple.
It does for 2010. This sport isn't about that one race where this happened or that one time when someone got passed and left... it's 24 motos and 17 main events, and none of those "faster" guys been there for all of them. 2010 is Ryan Dungey's year, and he may not always be putting down the fastest lap but he's more mistake free, patient, and consistant and because of that, he's the fastest guy out there right now. When people give him that label, it's based on the whole year, not a couple races. You (05KX250) are judging based on a few performances (and I agree in that regard), but that doesn't win championships and that's what people remember
Surrounding yourself with good people is also very relevant here as it is in any business or sport.
"054kx250" for secretary of the defense!
Even in the video interview with Chad Reed... He said Suzuki has the best team and bike out there.
Stewart may be faster... and RV may be faster... But you are not always remembered by being faster... Championships are always remembered... That is what riders are hired to do... Win Championships... Even JMB won a outdoor 250 MX title and never won an overall... So did Gary Jones in the early 70's... When JS comes back... RD5 would be smart and just let Stewart go and race for the championship... After it is locked up, step up the game and race him. We do need one more solid guy for the MXoN's... I think Stewart would be it... RD, JS and TC for the US MXoN team is my pick.
People have a tendancy to forget that Speed is only part of what makes you a great rider. Yes, its undeniable that villopoto is faster than dungey, but is villopoto better? Right now, I would have to say no. Why? Because part of being the BEST rider in the world (notice I said best, not fastest) is fitness, consistancy, and staying healthy. ALL of theses things are equally important as speed. You cant get a championship without all of them. So why bother talking about whos fastest. lets talk about whos the best, and thats the guy crossing the finishline first every week. This is hard for me to say b/c Im a huge RV2/CR22 fan.
The fortune for RD has been to be surrounded by good people...Ok, not good people, the best people in the business. On top of all he's just following the RC's Manual To Crush The Competition, which is not available to everyone. His fitness is the key, Windham, Townley and Grant have shown that the skills and speed are present for them to win but in fact their fitness is no match for Dungey's. If Bubba keeps his word to come back and has been working hard to hold his blazing fast pace for 30+ minutes Dungey will be in serious troubles. But off course by then, there will always be people saying that RD did not need to fight for the win since he's already the crowned champ. Remember that RC would not stop his winning streak until he finished al his seasons. RD is really good but by no means the fastest nor the gratest. He has many motos to win before saying that about him. For now he is the best out there.
So true Moto0619... and I have to give Bubba big ups on it all on the come back... he dropped out of the X-Games to focus on MOTOCROSS... X-Games are great... a good side show... Even K-Dub dropped out of the X-Games just to focus on motocross.
It is completely deniable that RV is faster than RD. RD beat him strait up many times this year. I don't know that I could think of two riders more closely matched the last 3/4 of the supercross season. Rv wasn't in the ballpark speedwise the start of the season. whoever got the holeshot won, I can only think of 4 times they really raced each other close RD strait up beat him 3 of the 4 I can remember. Even after RV full on slammed his bike into RD.
Man it isn't RD fault they aren't there. Just because your favorite riders are busted up you feel the need to **** on RD parade. I'll bet if RD was on the couch he wouldn't be tweeting sh*t about anybody, he at least has more class than that. There is only two riders he can't beat you say but there not there, get it. He hurt everyone else bad. One thing for sure, RD is laughing all the way to the bank!
Stewart has shown he is fast in the past. I also don't believe he will just roll over and admit defeat. Having said that if he comes back and can run 2 X 30 min + 2 laps at the speed of Dungey, or faster for more than 1 weekend right off the injury then he will achieve super human status in my eyes. Imagine the blisters and the arm pump and the fatigue and the nerves from not being at race pace for some time? Don't forget fellow racers that Dungey has beaten a field of pro riders consistently now by a wide margin and he is making it look easy.
I always thought the fastest and best was the guy with the #1 plate. To get that plate you have to be in it and win it. We've seen the "fastest" guy lose championships many times. Many times the fastest guy also crashes a lot, one reason why he may be going faster. In his career Stewart has broken a collarbone, broken an arm, broken a wrist, torn a knee up, and 2 of those times it cost him an easy title. The other times are an unknown, but he was a contender for sure. Why is RC still not the fastest and best? If he trained and got ready to race outdoors next year.....he's only 30. If you want to be the fastest you have to take it away from the guy with the plate. Until Stewart has a #1 plate back in his possession he's just James Stewart #7. And when did Windham "smoke" RC?
I agree if Alessi was on that Yellow bike he would be handing it to Dungey. As far as RV I think he is fats but we really didnt get to see battle btw RV and Alessi. RV got hurt too soon. Now the big question is whether RV would be a match to Dungey right now outdoors. You see RD isnt that much faster than the rest of the field. he just isnt getting tired thats all. It took him 17 laps to get by Windham and plain and simple Kdub got tired thats all, Its not that RD was way faster. RD knows he can just ride around and wait for the guys to get tired and he can get easy win and he has done that so far.
BKR, KW14 smoked RC twice that season, once at Unadilla I believe, and I don't remember where else.
"Dungey simply has the best team and mechanic behind him, as evidenced by Reed’s performance in 2009..." Thats a direct quote from Cox himself and its so true. Im scared to see Stewart on a Makita Suzuki.
I wish I could be at Una****in" dilla this year, wandering down off the hill in the fog of post party carnge. This could potentialy be the most wicked moto battle of the 450 season. I gotta go with Dungey on this one but as a fan you can't lose with Stewart, Windam and the Dunge fighting tooth and nail in classic moto mayhem. I think Regal is for real too. Damn it, I need a "The other side SUCKS" fix. Who's ever going there, have a freakin' blast. Hope everyone survives Shogual!
I wish I could be at Una****in" dilla this year, wandering down off the hill in the fog of post party carnge. This could potentialy be the most wicked moto battle of the 450 season. I gotta go with Dungey on this one but as a fan you can't lose with Stewart, Windam and the Dunge fighting tooth and nail in classic moto mayhem. I think Regal is for real too. Damn it, I need a "The other side SUCKS" fix. Who's ever going there, have a freakin' blast. Hope everyone survives Shogual!
Obviously I'm jonesin', I hit comment twice. Sorry
I'll be sure to get a chorus of "the other side sucks" going for you, McMoto. This thread is funny. Cox writes a piece suggesting that we put the excuses aside because Dungey is handing it to everyone ... and here come the excuses! Some of you guys should go into comedy! Think about this: in a little over a month, it's likely that Dungey will have the same amount of premiere class championships as Stewart, and more than RV and KW. Make all the excuses you want, but they won't change the facts. A couple of specific replies to posts: "Pulling out of X'games was the worst descision (Stewart) could have made." Says who? He pulled out to focus on his return to MOTOCROSS. How can that be a bad decision? "[B]ecause you 'arent in it' doesnt automatically make your competition better then you." Actually, at this point in time (which is the only time we have - the past is a memory and the future is unknown), it does! "I agree if Alessi was on that Yellow bike he would be handing it to Dungey." Typical dgizzy diarrhea of the mouth. That's all I need to say about that. It's great that you all have such strong feelings about various riders, but some could use a healthy dose of reality. In the words of yzsean, DUNGEY RULES!!!!! (At least for 2010.)
OLD CRAPPY KX" You must be kidding Bubble's has a year off racing and RV2 has missed more races then he has raced in the last 2 years. What has Dungey been doing the last 2 years O that's right winning every championship he has competed in! The only reason Bubble's is even coming back is his brother will be terning pro and he wants to be there for him and he wants to be on the mx of nations team. I hope both of them come back this year so RD5 can put the whoop ass on them both! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
There are riders out there that could have a chance in a moto. BT101, Short maybe Grant if the heat exhaustion he got at millville does not affect him the rest of the year. I will even give Bubble's a chance of a moto win first moto but that long off the bike it wont be 1-1 this year! I could be wrong but that is what i think and so far this year i have been right on track! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
There is NO WAY IN HELL that Dungey would be winning this much if Villipoto was there. He knows it, his competetors know it, and anybody that knows jack s@#$ about MX knows it.
There were some very good posts on here very insightful and entertaining! This buy far is my favorite sight fun and some great reads. DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
Yz Sean you are right Dungey has been winning championships the last 2 years. He won his first oudoor championship last year when... O that's right, Pourcel handed it to him on a silver plater with a DNF. And the SX championship this year when, I forgot, how did he win that, O now I remember Villipoto got injured. Next year he's in for his REAL ROOKIE YEAR, mark my words. There will be no rulind by Dungey next year.
"[N]o rulind (sic) by Dungey next year," jojo? LOL. And the excuses keep on comin'.........
You can't take anything away from Dungey. He is the best prepared, has the best team, best bike best mechanic. There's nothing left for him to prove. Stewart would have to sweep the 8 motos he is suppose to race to make me think he isn't the fastest rider on the planet right now.
Jojo" I hope your right and RV2 can finish a year on the 450 with out getting hurt. I hate when any riders get hurt but maybe just maybe he has to push past his convert level to match RD5 speed. Were RD5 can ride that speed all day long there's no doubt RD is the fittest rider on the track right now and i just don't think Bubble's or RV coming in will be fit enough to compete for both moto's this year! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, dgizzy. Ok, where to start. Won't bother commenting on Alessi, you can't be serious with that. Nobody even did 17 laps in the 1st moto, they did 16. Dungey passed Windham on the 8th lap. Now, Dungey isn't that much faster? All from reference point I guess. When RC would win by 30 seconds in a 15 lap race, is that also not that much faster? 2 seconds a lap average is huge. I'm pretty sure RC also relied on his fitness. Most champions have always relied on their fitness to win titles. MC didn't win his outdoor title till he buckled down and got fit. He was in the best shape of his career by far in 1996. You must purposely post things that are ridiculous just to see what people will say.
Who can say if RV was racing if he would be beating RD. Imo RV was a tad faster than Dungey 2 years ago but Dungey seems to be improving with every race. The Ryan Dungey we see racing NOW at this present time is much faster than the guy Villipoto last raced.
I love getting a rise out of your so easy you must have a lot of issues! Supercross is over RD1 won that's all there is to say!DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
HA HA HA HE HE HE thats what i am saying! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
So, by way of your "#1 plate logic" BKR, Ryan Dungey is not yet deserving of the "fastest" title this year, he is just Ryan Dungey #5 until he wraps it up!! Sorry, but that is just stupid!! I hope Dungey does wrap this thing up with a couple of rounds to go, that way JS can have a couple under his belt and RD will have nothing to lose by going for the win. I'll be fine with whatever the outcome might be, the main thing is that i want to see those two go at it full on with absolutely no BS excuses for anything, hell isn't that what we all want regardless of who you like or dont like??? That being said, and with all the talk of who is the fastest and all that crap, Ryan Dungey might just have the most solid combination of speed and consistency of anyone we have seen in awhile. Nothing can take away from that, but it is totally fair for some to say that they want to see what he can do with the likes of RV and JS out there!! Will we ever see that?? Lets hope!
It's Dungey's time, plain and simple. Call it fate, luck, talent, best bike, or whatever. The bottom line is that he has won everything the past couple of years and possibly winning both 2010 SX/MX series in his rookie seasons says something about the guy regardless of the circumstances IMHO. Will he win going forward when everyone's healthy and the 250 boys have moved up? Only time will tell. But for now, Dungey's the Man.
Starting your sentence off with "If" means you might as well stop talking. There's so many if's from all the haters out there. If your aunt had balls, she's be your uncle... doesn't seem to be the case huh? 2010 is RD's year. If someone else takes over next year great, but until then, Dungey is best rider out there.
DBerg649---not only are you right but that is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. You guys with the crystal balls give me some stock tips. My portfolio has been hurting for quite a while. Woulda Coulda Shoulda--all mean nothing in the real world.
Dungey is making the most of it right now but when it was reed reaping the injury/awsome team benifits nobody was saying it was because he was the nex big thing. If he can beat a top compeditor (RV,JS) in an all out tittle chase I might consider thinking about it. As of now he hasn't been tested.
Klockhaven" RD did it was called supercross 2010 RV and JS were there at the first round! He lasted the year and won the tittle isn't that "all out tittle chase" DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong he is a great rider and deserves what he's getting but he hasn't earned such lofty comparisons as MC and RC. Did you say REED RULES!!!! when he won sx in 08 (which stewart raced as well)? If so then keep it up.
Klockhaven" Are you new to this sight i have been putting DUNGEY RULES from his first race. I am from MN and have none him and his family from his 50's days. I do not put him in the category of the GOAT or MC or even the top 10 of all time yet. But i am a fan and will always be no mater were he finished i just new it would be up front his drive to win is unbelievable! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
Dungey is riding good and for the moment the best rider racing MX but he isnt the best of the best. IF RD wins when a healthy JS, RV and Alessi on 450, then we can say he truly is the best. Until then he is the best rider for now. Plus Canard and Pourcel will be on 450 next yr. I would say RD ENJOY the fruits of labor while you can. This is your yr. It wont happen twice. RV is hungry and will take Dungey out if he has to. RV wants to claim his Title for outdoors and so will Pourcel. Pourcel will be tough outdoors. Wont be surprised to see Pourcel on SX only contracts.
hey coxucker, why the F#$K did you delete ALL of my comments? you are a f*&ing D! yzsean, i hope you die you piece of crap
Ok so the bottom line is Dungey is on the line so he's winning and RV and JS are on the sideline...so by alot of people's theroy we should for go the 24 moto format and just do a fastest lap competition? That is just ludicris....as for 05kx250, you are a tool plain and simple stick to riding your old clapped kx 250 and ride them trails n berms FAST!!!!
Cox, see what you started. LOL
05kx250 has got to go.
hey big jbp712, go screw. another one judguing someones bike without knowing a single thing about it or its owner....loser
hey garjan, go screw also
I'm another biased opinion from MN, but as a typical MN I wasn't totally believing that RD is the real deal. The way his year has progressed and after his dominating performance at Millville, I totally believe. In my opinion, Dungey and Grant are the only two lining up thnking that they can win. Regal has desire, but I think the rest are just hoping for a top 5. When we get #2 and #7 back out there I'm sure there will be battles again, but I believe Dungey is going to keep progressing and be in the fight every moto. He has desire and determination.
05kx250 go screw what...lol you can't finish your sentence....I know I am no where near these guys hell, I would be surprised if half of guys writing these post are faster than me, mostly because of a injury that ended my riding in 03 but I'm thinking I would love to go through the pain just to park you @$$....you are a joke, you don't know what the hell you are talking about and you sound like you 5 with you phrasing (fra-sing incase you don't know that word) so just piss off already
go screw whatever you want.... and what is it i dont know? please tell me about my knowledge since you know so much about me. do you know my bikes clapped out too?? bunch of geniuses..
how about you go screw a sheep! oh wait wouldn't that be a regular saturday night thing for you
lame
what no come back...if you really wanted come back you would just scrap it off the roof of your mouth
Guy's- All this talk on Allessi on the "Underpowered 350" 1. Cairoli is winning on it and getting great starts against full factory 450's 2. Have you watched some of Allessi's starts closley? He has been missing the jump out of the gate- starts are often won in the first 10 metres by getting the jump, a 350 is at no disadvantage at this stage as the power of the 450 can't all be hooked in the initial jump- I think Mike may be down on confidence and he is missing he jump.
boy you're on a roll... (eyes rolling)
Where do these delusions of greatness for Allesi come from? He has nothing but amateur titles and a bunch of holeshots. I respect his skill as a pro rider but he is not one of the elite and probably never will be. You can put Mike on any 450 and he will still finish where he does. The group coming up from the 250 class is gonna put him even further back than his brother Jeff.
I'd like to discuss moto with grownups, but I'm getting the feeling I've come to the wrong place.
you're just getting that feeling?
Wow Cox your starting to make me angry. I'm trying to tell these guys the truth and you wont post it. WTF??? theSCHneild______________RC did get beat str8 up twice. once by ferry on a 426 (possibly at dilla), and once at washougal by windham on a zook 2 smoker. Remember how bad hanny beat k'dub at x'games last year??? YZ'sean, your boy's gonna show stewart how to get around a MX track the right way, if stewey can even keep him in sight. Stewart will probably crash and have another reason to collect paychecks and hang out with cool people like larry brooks and that moron bad mofo todd potter till 2011 SX. I'm talking the truth cox, stop pulling my comments. SEF154, totally agree with you. 27 year old freshly retired (spinal cord injury), I know this sport (try to). I can talk to you but some of these (dgizzy) make me throw up in my mouth with this. Nobody will tell me this. Would Barcia, pourcel and Dean Wilson not be jumping LaRoccos leap with another 100cc's????????????
Wow Cox your starting to make me angry. I'm trying to tell these guys the truth and you wont post it. WTF??? theSCHneild______________RC did get beat str8 up twice. once by ferry on a 426 (possibly at dilla), and once at washougal by windham on a zook 2 smoker. Remember how bad hanny beat k'dub at x'games last year??? YZ'sean, your boy's gonna show stewart how to get around a MX track the right way, if stewey can even keep him in sight. Stewart will probably crash and have another reason to collect paychecks and hang out with cool people like larry brooks and that moron bad mofo todd potter till 2011 SX. I'm talking the truth cox, stop pulling my comments. SEF154, totally agree with you. 27 year old freshly retired (spinal cord injury), I know this sport (try to). I can talk to you but some of these (dgizzy) make me throw up in my mouth with this. Nobody will tell me this. Would Barcia, pourcel and Dean Wilson not be jumping LaRoccos leap with another 100cc's????????????
pinned927 CP cleared jumping LaRoccos leap a few times on a 250. I think anytime the "fast" guys are out people wonder. I said it last year about Reed, He is a weak champ and he is showing it this year, Just like when he won the SX title, RC and JS were not there... sure he won it and ya can't take that away from him but it will always make people think what could have been. It is a VERY fine line to try and talk about it without people getting pissed.I do wonder how RD will do if he and RV and JS all stay healthy for a hole season. RD does not seem to be botherd as much as other Champs when he gets beat. When grant passed him a few weeks ago and left him it was odd, I have never seen a "top" guy just let someone go like that but RD is a dif kind of Champ. How will he react if that happens early in the season and the guys don't get hurt?? He will NEED to pick it up and that will be interesting to see how it goes down "IF" it happens.
Bill" I can see what you are saying but when Reed won all his titles there were ether 19 or 39 other riders on the line. Do you know how fast that 19 or 39 guy are They win every race in there home district. I just feel there's more there's more great riders then RC, RD, RV,CR or JS every rider that qualifies is great in my eyes! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
And as for the Grant thing Grant is a fast rider but has never backed up his first moto finish. So why pucrap he was on that moto i think RD just see's the hole pitcher. It's not that it does not bother him he just knows what to do to get that championship and that's what counts #1! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
BillC, RD let Grant go by because he knew Grant wasnt going to have anything left for the 2nd moto. yzsean,, anyone who is a pro rider is great,,, but their are a few riders that are "the best of the best."
how impressive is Kyle Regal becomming?
I agree, and dont forget about Tommy Hahn..
Yes Sean there all GREAT, Better than any of us or we would be out there BUT how many of the "other" 19 or 39 guys have won a race?? Not to many. Thats my point, There is a VERY small group of Guys that are in the hunt for the title, You take them 2 or 3 guys away and the field is weaker. It is human nature to look at the winner of a "weak" field and question him. Bottom like is RD is off the hook this year "BUT" we really don't know how good he is yet, NOT to take anything away from him. ( I hope u see my point) Next year will be HUGE for RD, I am sure RD knows some question him ( he my not care but 99% of people would) and he will also have the weight of the #1 on his shoulders so lets just hope RV and JS are healthy for A1 and the hole season and see just how great he is. I would love to see RD pushed and see how he reacts to it week in and week out like the RC/JS/CR battle of 07.... I can hope right??
Sean you can say "he knew" Grant would not have anything for moto 2 but what happens when someone steps up and does?? ( if Grant did not go down in the first turn he "may" have, Either way I have never seen a champ like RD, Can you picture someone going by RC, JS or Rv and them just letting them go? I can't but it is working for RD it's just not the "norm" thats my point.
i cant wait till next year because i'll eat my shorts if dungey defends one of them titles, let alone both.
Bill" I just don't think some of the other riders get the credit they deserve. I have allot of friends that make mains then you have to go for top 20 "points" from there top ten "elite" and finally top three "big money'. Many riders i know are supper pumped on getting points it's like a win and some are just pumped to qualify! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
Bill, you can always say "what if," but RD knows what he's doing.. "What if" RD wanted to race with Grant in the 1st moto, and ended up getting hurt,,, see my point ?? RD has confidence,, and he knows Grant does not....
I think the continuous injuries to RV are going to affect his performances from here on out. He has spent an awful lot of time hurt. You can't keep taking dirt samples and busting yourself up forever. I think RV is a great rider but these injuries take their toll on the body and mind. I think you will see a more cautious and calculating RV when he does return.
Gotta love all the "what if's". Every sport and every championship on this planet is affected by injuries and mistakes throughout a season. I have yet to see an asterisk explaining any "what ifs".
halsey yes I see your point and if you read what i said i pretty much said that by saying "Can you picture someone going by RC, JS or Rv and them just letting them go" and "Rd is a dif kind of champ" Sure he could get hurt but the day will come anyway, It the nature of the beast. Not saying he should kill himself to beat Grant that 1 moto either.
Billy, your ? was " what if he does step it up in the 2nd moto".. I was just answering that ?.. But yes, I agree with you.. Look for KW to do well at Wahougal..
JDubya.. You think the continuous injuries to Rv are going to affect his performance the same way that Trey Canards injuries are affecting him. Seriously these guys have all been hurt bad they know it can happen and they race anyway. In that last four years I have torn my ACL, broken 3 transverse processes in my back, broken my collar bone into 4 four pieces and messed up my neck and I only race in hare scrambles. It is part of the sport and if racers were afraid of injury then they wouldn't be racing.
yz sean you said you have alot of friends who make it into the mains? I was not aware that so many pros came from MN or are you just a MX groupie with a vivid imagination who lives in a fantasy world of your own design.
Most of the time I totally disagree with what yzsean says and it would be easier to read his posts if he mixed in a dictionary every now and then, but I have to say DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!! and I am not an RD fan, in fact I loved watching J-Law beat him in SX.
i like kwtriple
Windham did smoke r/c striaght up in 4 consecutive motos, during ricky's 2nd year at honda. The last person to beat him outdoors was Ferry while he was still on a kawi. Remember, he went 2 1/2 years undefeated outdoors, till Kevin snapped the streak with back to back 1-1's at unadilla then washougal. But that was back in the day when the track was half two strokes and half four strokes, and ricky was still on the honda two stroke and kevin was on the thumper, and unadilla and washougal are 2 tracks with big hills. Not taking anything away from k-dub, he is the greatest rider ever to not win a major championship. After that, r/c switched to the four stroke honda, and never lost again outdoors, til he switched to suzuki, then won 22 of 24 motos, while 259 was struggling on the 2 stroke.
Windham did smoke r/c striaght up in 4 consecutive motos, during ricky's 2nd year at honda. The last person to beat him outdoors was Ferry while he was still on a kawi. Remember, he went 2 1/2 years undefeated outdoors, till Kevin snapped the streak with back to back 1-1's at unadilla then washougal. But that was back in the day when the track was half two strokes and half four strokes, and ricky was still on the honda two stroke and kevin was on the thumper, and unadilla and washougal are 2 tracks with big hills. Not taking anything away from k-dub, he is the greatest rider ever to not win a major championship. After that, r/c switched to the four stroke honda, and never lost again outdoors, til he switched to suzuki, then won 22 of 24 motos, while 259 was struggling on the 2 stroke.
sorry fot the echo............
ELF, you are correct, KW did "smoke" RC when he was on a 4-fiddy,,, but I do believe RC won the championship that year,, so the "smoke" word just doesnt seem to apply..
smoked him in a race, not a championship is his point genius
Oh really, why didnt he say that then, I mean, since you can speak for him and all ??? You like that word "genius" dont you,, oh and "screw" ? Can you tell me by how many seconds KW "smoked" RC in those motos ?
kwtriple" MN pro riders Dungey, Haas, Martin, Jackson, Deans, I wrench for some and know all! Haas and Jackson i have taken riding from there 1 time on a bike. Then there are the pro's i now know from IN Then the riders i have met being friends of my friends. I could go on in on trust me i know quite a lot of riders i have been around a long time and helped run 2 tracks in in MN! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
i said both words twice and now they're my trademark? another moron. i know thats what he meant because he said "kw smoked RC in TWO races" he didnt say kw won the championship... GENIUS. by the way, does anyone else think yzsean is a bullsh!!tter?
yzsean,, I think you forgot the late and great DONNY SCHMIT.. Who is "Jackson" ? Which tracks in MN have you helped run ? 05kx250,, I never said those words were your "trademark",, now did I ? Heres what he said ....... "KDub smoked Carmicheal back in the day, and he will smoke Dungey before the season is over." I think you better learn how to read,,, GENIUS !!!! I think I know who the bull****ter is ....
Windham did smoke r/c striaght up in 4 consecutive motos, during ricky's 2nd year at honda." direct quote moron. and stop back peddling on what you say... ballless
Halsey" I only put the riders i know try to qualify this year if i was to put all the pro's i have known in my life from MN it would be mutch longer. Tracks in MN i helped with Mazepa first 2 owners and Planview ran Sat. practice for years. DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S Nick Jackson 308 on a 250 Honda 41 in qualifying at Millville what disappointment so close but yet so far! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
05kx250,, you cant read, can ya ?? was there anything mentioned about 'MOTOS" in bxfox39's quote... Your mom is calling,, go to bed !!! yz,,, I thought you may have been talking about Junior Jackson,, thats all...
i dont care if you helped noah build his arc, your still an a**hole
My apologies yzsean; I was not aware that you were a giant in the sport!
i just showed you a direct quote!!!
250,, go to bed,, and dont forget to brush your teeth,, and go potty..
and since when arwe you quoting bxfox, im talking about eklf like you were in the begining... get some glasses and a brain
you're the moron all of the sudden you're talking about bxfox instead of elf, can you not read your OWN comments?
bhfox39 7/21/2010 3:16:48 PM - KDub smoked Carmicheal back in the day, and he will smoke Dungey before the season is over DeleteReport as InappropriateReported go to bed !!!!!!
MORON PERIOD
ELF846: " Windham did smoke r/c striaght up in 4 consecutive motos, during ricky's 2nd year at honda." halsey: "ELF, you are correct, KW did "smoke" RC when he was on a 4-fiddy,,, but I do believe RC won the championship that year,, so the "smoke" word just doesnt seem to apply.." MORON
Kwtriple" I am not saying i am a legend i am just a avid MX rider who will ride tell i die. And If a friend of mine is serious about winning there is not mutch i wont do to help him or her achieve there goals! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
how come dungey has never mentioned you on the podium? i mean you're such an integral part of this sport and his gayes....uh hem... biggest fan.
Woooowwwwww! Whatever you know what I meant....a plate with the red background counts as well. Remember all those years RC raced with 4? You just always have to find some angle with me, huh? Oh, I forgot, this distinction doesn't allow Stewart to sit at home and still be the fastest. Too bad. When I originally asked when did K-Dub "smoke" RC the question revolves around what smoking someone is. A 30 second beat down is smoking. Do we know what Windham won those motos by and what the circumstances were? I tried looking it up but couldn't find the times. If RC falls in the first turn and finishes 2nd 30 seconds behind, I guess that is "smoked" but is it? Winning 4 motos and losing 20 does not a smoking make. K-Dub did beat RC a few motos, just not sure about "smoked". Halsey, just saw you proclaim that K-Dub will smoke Dungey by year's end. I love K-Dub but that is silly talk. Wait will Dungey have goggles? Or a flat or something? This term "smoke" is used way too freely.
KX' If you wont to see me just look at racer x Millville 2010 video on this sight. I am in the pitcher you see and if you watch the video i am the one in the mechanics area in the blue long sleeves! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
YOU DONT HAVE TO GET SMOKED OVER A CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON TO GET SMOKED IN A RACE!! WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
Or look at the 250 post show i am next to Johnny O in the starters tower! That's right were do you see races from! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
you're the one in the yamaha shirt is what ur saying?
YEP! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
can anyone vouch for that?
You can ask" lucid1" met him at the race wearing the same shirt and trust me no one else had long sleeves on! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
OK yzsean I take back my apology and again I ask are are you just a MX groupie with a vivid imagination who lives in a fantasy world of your own design.
hey yz it must be a pretty big pitcher if you can fit into it
Besides that way if it was not me would i pick a guy with a noes like that. The only thing good about my big a s s noes is i can satisfy two women at one time! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
yz are you talking about the gay looking dude in the yamaha shirt
Ok if you don't believe me go to face book look up Sean Robrtson and look at the 100 shots i tuck behind the scenes were only all access passes can go! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
i like kwtriple... figured id say it again lol
Sean, why do you say you are from Minnesota but your profile says you are from Indiana. Now I am convinced you are just a MX groupie with a vivid imagination who lives in a fantasy world of your own design.
people move sometimes imagine that! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
im glad i have popcorn lol
yz you said "I only put the riders i know try to qualify this year if i was to put all the pro's i have known in my life from MN it would be mutch longer." You said your life in MN but your profile says Indiana? Dude you have no credibility. I feel bad for the dude in the photo because everyone must think he is an idiot after reading your posts.
lol
NO reply Minnesota man?
yzsean do you pretend you are from MN because you have a man crush on RD?
What don't you get i lived in MN most of my life and i go back quite often to race and see friends. And my Friends come here as well it takes 4 1/2 hours to get to Rochester MN. from were i live in IN. Why don't you e-mail Weege i talked with him so some time at Millville he knows me or just look at face book my profile shot has me and the Goat. You can see for your self i don't say anything that is not true here i wish you could say the same! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry yzsean I dont have a facebook account but my teenage daughter does. I thought facebook was for teenage girls. I guess facebook is also for MX groupies with vivid imaginations who live in fantasy worlds of your own design.
lmao
KW" You have a nice night some people are just haters and there nothing you can do! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
I lived in minn. for a year, it sucked but what the hell, DUNGEY RULES!!!!
ah come on sean; dont go away mad. I did give you a DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
did you ever stop and think why you get your balls busted? i can easily say "thats me with the big nose and blue shirt" too. plus i still cant get over the spelling and the pic of dungey OFF the bike...
Yeah sean, You should really change the picture. Having a picture of another man, a young man at that, on your profile really calls into question your manhood.
Get a life, people.
YZ sean is very annoying for sure. But I'm sure he would bury kwtriple and 05kx. As a mater of fact my grandpa probably could (well he's dead, but you get the point). And really what else matters...if you can ride. Which I question when it comes to the two of you.
in no way was I trying to discredit r/c when I used the term 'smoked', and in fact, in his incredible career, this is the only time I would use it, unless of course he was the one doing the smoking. Stewart beat him outdoors, but I wouldn't say he smoked him. Kevin windham was the fastest man on the planet for those 2 weeks, and he beat r/c straight up. I don't remember what the gap was, but they were not banging bars ,and trading the lead, and ricky didn't fall and hand it to him, and ricky didn't get a bad start and not have enough time to catch up or anything like that. K-dub BEAT him 4 motos in a row, outdoors. No one else has ever done that, even stewart. Lets put this in perspective... windham convincingly beat the winningest racer in the history of all motorsports, while he was in the longest winning streak of his career, not once, but four times in a row. Even r/c admitted on the podium that kevin was the better man that day, and he would work hard to beat him next week. And kevin said " this is no time to be getting Cy, ricky is a great champion and it is an honor to stand above him on tha podium". They both have tremendous respect for one another, 2 of the classiest mx'er s of all time. That is why I used the term 'smoked', to express the magnitude of windhams accomplishment, which is even more impressive nowadays, because back then, ricky wasn't even called the goat yet. Give k-dub credit where its due.
maybeafter yzsean buries me i can say hi to gramps for you
rainman.. you are sure that yzsean would bury me because why?
No reason, I just think that the way you spew jelousy your a poser.