Mark Simo

There was a whole group of guys down there. Beaver was really good, Jeff was good. They all kind of competed together. Jeff Surwall and I would go to Florida together all the time. He was a regular going down there. Beaver joined us later and started going down to Florida too. We all kind of would migrate. We had a little crew of us that would head down there and ride in the Winter Series.

Jeff Surwall

Mark and Brian were both good. At the time it was B class, but good intermediate. Beaver was a good A rider in our region. Never raced pro or anything, but they did amateur supercross at Daytona.

Jeff Theodosakis

Mark and Brian, in prior years, had gone down to the Florida Winter Series. In ’84 they said, “Beav, come down with us this year.” I’d already kind of hung up my bikes. I went to college, got a culinary degree and a degree in restaurant management down in Florida. I was back in Illinois running restaurants, and they said, “Come down with us.” So I said, “Okay.” I got my stuff covered and I got a new Yamaha. Then we loaded up in the big trailer. Got down there in January and started training and racing. The boys brought chainsaws down there and we were cutting trees and doing what we could to make a buck during the week and then racing on the weekends, training, having a ball.

Jeff Surwall

All four of us were always working hard to afford to go racing and get by. None of us were spoiled or had everything handed to us, so you kind of had to work hard to get it. So you get creative. So I think everybody had a good work ethic and kind of knew how to get what you want by working for it. I think it helped set them up for the rest of life.

Jeff Theodosakis

I started dating a gal named Debbie who had an apparel company called Meet Me in Miami. It was a women’s line. She had sewing machines, cutting tables, and was training people. We’re down there, and shorts were short. Guys are wearing, like, 1” inseam shorts. We’re like, “Man, we’re not wearing those things.” So we went to Debbie and said, “Debbie, make us three pairs of shorts. We want them to go down to our knees.” She goes, “All right, go get me some fabric.” So we pulled some curtains off the wall somewhere, or some tablecloths. Crazy stuff. She goes, “Well, this isn’t really shorts fabric, but we’ll make them.” So she made us a little one-piece pattern that you flip, taught us how to cut, and stood there where they sewed them and started teaching us how to sew. We made three pairs. We started wearing them around at the races and on the beach. We were staying in Fort Lauderdale. That was our base, and then we would travel to the races.

Mark Simo

We had a lot of people ask us about the shorts, and then it’s kind of like, “Maybe we could make some of these and make a little money.” Back in those days, you burned up all your money living there at the end of the racing series. You didn’t want to go home because it was too cold, so if you could find a little extra money, you were motivated.

Jeff Theodosakis

Then Spring Break 1984 hit there, and there were millions of kids everywhere. So we started wearing them around, and most people thought we were idiots. They’re like, “What are you guys doing?” We didn’t care. We had power in the three of us. If one was down, the other two would lift him. If two were down, the other one would lift him. We were kind of invincible when the three of us were together. So we’re wearing these shorts, and after about a week or so, seven of our friends said, “Get me a pair of those.” So we made seven more. Then we were like, “Hey, maybe we should try to sell these.” We made 30, we peddled those. Then we said, “Okay, this is cool.” I think the next batch was 100.

Mark Simo

It wasn’t really a business plan. It was more like, hey, let’s talk this girl into making us some shorts, and she did. She made the first 50 pairs. We walked up and down the beach and sold them for $20 apiece and go, “This beats the heck out of working.” One size, real simple. Then we kind of said, “Hey, let’s make a lot more of these since everybody wants them.” That’s when we decided to make 1,000 pairs of them.

Jeff Theodosakis

We would just go buy random fabric down in Miami, because we kind of couldn’t find stuff. So we had these little rolls of this, little rolls of that. We just threw it all together. We’d have 20 different styles, and we’d hang them with a clothesline and clothespin and we’d say 20 bucks. It was all one size. If you weren’t our size, that was your problem.

Mark Simo

She couldn’t make us 1,000 pairs, so she introduced us to a little factory down in Miami. We’d comb the little fabric shops down there, buy some fabric, have them sewn, and then walk up and down the beach and sell them. Until one day the police stopped us. They said, “You guys can’t be doing this, you’ve got to go across the street and sell them at the stores.” All of a sudden, a business is formed. We decided to start selling them in stores.

Jeff Theodosakis

[Debbie] turned us on to this gypsy-type guy named Victor down in Miami. He was a real shady, greasy guy. We had to watch him all the time on our accounts and stuff. He had a big factory. Twenty-six sewing machines, cutting machines. So he’s making our stuff, and he calls us. He goes, “Guys, do you want to buy this factory?” We’re like, “No, we want you to just make our stuff.” He goes, “Well, I’m getting closed down for tax evasion, and if you want to meet me in the middle of the night, I’ll sell you all this stuff.” We’re like, “How much do you want?” It was like $4,000. At this point, we each have a practice bike and a race bike and our trailer, a big Holsclaw, filled it with everything. So Mark, without even asking, takes our six bikes to Fort Lauderdale Yamaha. He gets six grand for our six bikes in cash. He goes, “Let’s go buy that factory.” I guess we don’t have bikes anymore! But the series was done. We had all finished racing. So we take that money, and we meet Victor at like three in the morning. We take the same trailer that had our race stuff in it and loaded it up with 26 sewing machines, cutting tables, cutters—the whole full factory. We set it up in our apartment in Florida. We put an ad in the paper. We had ladies come in and sew for us.

Mark Simo

The name itself, we ran into a guy at a store down there, a little seashell shop, a guy named Isaac. He said, “I heard about you guys. Everybody’s been talking about these shorts. I’ll buy everything you’ve got.” He looks at the shorts and he said, “I love the shorts, but you need to have a name on here.” So on our way back with an arm full of shorts he said, “We’ve got to come up with a name.”

Jeff Theodosakis

Debbie had a book about the Australian beach lifestyle called Life’s a Beach. I remember seeing that book, and I was like, that would be a great name. So we got the trademark and went with that.

Mark Simo

So Life’s a Beach just seemed appropriate. We were living at the beach, and it sounded like fun. There was no plan or rhyme or reason to it. It was just fun. It sort of spoke to the time.

Jeff Theodosakis

I don’t know how many kids came down [for Spring Break], but some crazy figure, like seven figures, came down to South Florida. That was the place to be. You couldn’t drive because the Strip was just stopped with cars. So we had these beach cruisers and duffle bags we’d fill with shorts when we were getting them made. Driving down the beach and peddling them to the shops, peddling them to the kids. Twenty bucks, one size fits all. Just coming back with all this cash and then doing it all again. Then we started bringing them to the races. Gainesville National was getting towards the end of the season there in 1984. We got to the race, got our clothesline up on our trailer across from a palm tree selling our shorts.

Jeff Theodosakis

We raced the amateur the day before the Gainesville National, the Saturday. Then the pros were coming in. So we’re standing there selling our stuff and Ricky Johnson and Broc Glover walk up. We’re, like, elbowing each other like, “Holy shit! It’s Ricky and Broc!”

Mark Simo

We taped shorts on the side of a trailer and thought, “If they sell at the beach, maybe we’ll sell a few at the races.” Ricky walked up. He saw they were taped on. He goes, “Can I have a pair of those shorts?” We’re like, “Yeah, 20 bucks.” He’s like, “No, you don’t understand. Just give me a pair.” It’s like, “No, they’re 20 bucks.” That was kind of the beginning of our relationship. It was kind of funny. I think Ricky kind of appreciated the fact that we just didn’t really give a shit who he was.

Rick Johnson

I went over to them and I said, “Hey, is it possible to get some shorts?” So they said yeah. They gave me a couple pairs, and they gave a couple pairs for Broc too. It was kind of cool. They were good guys. I said, “I’ll ask my team manager if I can wear them over my pants.” This was back in the day when dolphin shorts and the Nike running shorts was the trend. There was nothing big and baggy around at that time.

Rick Johnson

So I said to [Yamaha team manger] Kenny Clark the next day at Gainesville, I said, “I want to wear these shorts over my pants. Are you cool with that?” He said, “If you win the first moto, you can do whatever the hell you want.” So I did. I won the first moto in 1984, so then the second moto I grabbed some teal green, kind of aqua-blue tiger-striped shorts, and I put them on over the top of my Sinisalo pants. So I got the holeshot and was leading, then my shock blew up so I ended up getting I think fifth or sixth or something, or tenth. I can’t remember. But during the race, the guys ran to the fence. They look, and here’s me winning the national with these shorts on!

Jeff Theodosakis

So we’re selling our stuff again, and we hear on the loudspeaker, “Start of the second 250 moto….” We’re like, “Oh shit, we’ve got to see if Ricky’s wearing our stuff.” We take our clothesline down, pile our stuff in the trailer. We’re parked way the hell out there and we’re sprinting. We don’t want to miss the start. We’re like, “Shit, we missed the start.” There’s this giant cloud of dust. Then the dust clears and in the front is Ricky wearing our blue tiger-striped shorts over his yellow leathers and jersey!

Broc Glover

RJ threw them over his pants, as we all know from the history. That was kind of a beginning of it. The Life’s a Beach brand was just getting underway at that point too. So in the moto world it certainly drew some attention to it.

Mark Simo

It was hilarious. Who would go race and win a national with a pair of surf trunks over their gear? It was just unthinkable, and it was entertaining as hell. There wasn’t a person at the race that wasn’t looking at that going, “What is going on here?” Suddenly we learned what marketing was.

Jeff Surwall

Everybody’s like, “What the heck is that? Johnson won with tiger-striped shorts on? A lot of little things fell into place, and it kind of took off from there.

Mark Simo

Everybody came over. “Do you have those shorts that Ricky was wearing?” The problem was it was a blue and black tiger-striped shorts. We didn’t have a lot of them. Sold those out instantly because everybody had to have the shorts Ricky was wearing. It was a pretty good lesson.

Rick Johnson

So after the moto, the guys ran back to their trailer and they sold them all out. So immediately we started to keep in touch.

Jeff Theodosakis

So then we came back to Illinois after the season all died down in Florida. In May it was all quiet. We brought our stuff back to Chicago just to regroup. I headed out to Carlsbad, and the only reason I knew Carlsbad was an awesome place to be is because I went to Suzuki School of Motocross in 1976 with Mark Blackwell and all those guys. I’m like, “Guys, I know a really cool spot.” Actually flew into Long Beach, and I bought a ’60 Chevy convertible I was looking at because I restored a bunch of old cars. I drove it down to Carlsbad and slept in the back of it for a week or so and then found a little place to rent. I said, “Boys, I got the place.” Then they came out. It was, like, September. So basically we were in Chicago from May to September.

Mark Simo

We came to Carlsbad and said, okay, let’s get started. We really didn’t know anything about doing anything like that. We got a little marketing lesson from Ricky, and we got friendly with him out here. In fact, in those days, El Cajon was really the hub of all things motocross. As a Midwestern guy you go, “I’ve got to go to El Cajon.” Marty Smith, Marty Tripes, Tommy Croft, Ricky Johnson, Broc Glover—they were all there. So we just came out here and we were in heaven.

Broc Glover

Being from San Diego, born and raised, and that California lifestyle kind of a thing, you could always tell when there were guys that were not from Southern California and that area, but they wanted to be. When the Life’s a Beach thing came out, that was that whole group of them, no question about it. They were all Californians that just happened to be born and raised in the Chicago area. We all got along great and had a lot of fun. You’ll have a ton of laughs with any of those guys.

Mark Simo

I had gone with Marty Moates for two years on the national circuit and the Trans-Am circuit and did all that when he rode for LOP Yamaha that was owned by a guy named Laurens Offner. So I spent some years out there. In those days, you’d drive a box truck around. With Jeff, I would haul his bikes in Marty’s truck, and nobody knew about it. Laurens would have flipped if he found out that I was taking Jeff Surwall around in Marty’s truck. So I knew some of the folks.

Rick Johnson

I was talking to a friend and he goes, “Yeah, the Simo brothers live out here with Beaver. They moved Life’s a Beach out here.” So I called them and we started hanging out and we struck up a friendship. That’s when I started wearing Life’s a Beach.

Mark Simo

We grew really quickly, and there was kind of a concept that was floating around: how are we going to fund our growth? Laurens was very interested. He had actually come out here to California too. He was financially capable and interested in sort of running the business through a license deal. So we did a license with him for three years. I wasn’t really happy with the way we were going. It wasn’t really the right direction for me and for what I thought we should be doing. Now we had two brands. He became a licensee. He didn’t own the brand at that point.

Mark Simo

Down in Florida, we met a guy named Mark Baagoe. We call him Boogaloo. He was an artist. He was the guy who took us surfing for the first time. He followed us out to California shortly after we got here. None of us were designers—that wasn’t really our skill. We were kind of more into creating a market for ourselves, but this artist came out here, and he was the one that kind of wrote the script for Life’s a Beach and drew pictures of sharks and little characters. His art was uniquely commercial. So during that period, he actually sketched out the little Bad Boy character in our kitchen. We saw that and we thought, “That’s a really cool idea.”

Rick Johnson

At the beginning of ’86, they started the Bad Boy Club, which was through an artist named Boogie, Mark Baagoe. I don’t know exactly the origins from it, but he drew one of the original Bad Boys. We all had flat-top mullets at the time, and we cut each other’s hair and all that stuff. So that’s how it all took off.

Jeff Theodosakis

I got the Bad Boy tattoo on my right arm the night we drew it. It’s not going anywhere in my life. I look at it every day. Boogaloo, our artist, when we drew the Bad Boy, the idea was to have this just badass little tough guy that doesn’t give a shit, just kind of punk. When we drew it on the kitchen table, we’re like, “That’s it.” Boogaloo and I got in my ’60 Chevy and drove up to Laguna Tattoo and we each got tats on our arms.

Mark Simo

Right around that time, skateboarding started to get really big. We kind of thought this is a great entry for us to kind of be there, because the Life’s a Beach thing didn’t make a lot of sense there. So we decided to go after that. I took a little more interest in learning about trademarks and how that works. So we got the Bad Boy Club mark and Life’s a Beach mark. As things go, we were really well-timed with where the market was. The market was underserved. There were a lot of people interested in what we were doing. We were having a ton of fun. There was kind of a movement out here, obviously in the coastal areas, the surf and snow thing, snowboarding and wakeboarding and surfing. The board-sports stuff was really starting to just get going. We kind of came from the outside, so we sort of brought the other element of the extreme sports into the community.

Steve Wright

Mark can back this up, but I literally sold the first thing that came off. Then the next thing, I’m going to all the races in a 10’ x 10’ tent with not even $300 in my wallet, just trying to sell $300 worth of product and turn in the $600 and keep me from getting a real job, to make $300 a week. It kept getting better and better.

Jeff Surwall

During the Life’s a Beach days, I was busy racing. If I could help by “This guy’s a friend of mine, he owns a dealer,” I would do that kind of stuff. But it was mostly just helping my friends do what they could. I was busy worrying about trying to be a racer.

Rick Johnson

I had already signed with Honda. I was testing with Honda, but that was at the end of ’85, so I was still legally under contract with Yamaha. Yamaha wouldn’t release me, so I couldn’t ride a Honda, and they wouldn’t give me a bike. So I talked to Jim Castillo from CTi, and he had this cool bike. Then Jake from Showa somehow had a pair of works Showa forks. Then Mitch Payton did the motor. So we said, “F--k it, I’m going to come out there with a goddamn suit on and with this and that.” Fox [RJ’s gear sponsor] didn’t care. We were going to have fun. I’m wearing a Yamaha helmet with stickers on it and covering this and covering that. We were boisterous. Then I, like an idiot, in the first moto, I’m like, “This will be cool, man. All of us fast guys will start on the back row and we’ll see what it’s like.” So I go out in the first heat and I win, and then everybody else decides to play the smart role [sandbagging to start on the front row for the main]. Not one of my proudest moments. I don’t know where the hell I got that rag that I’m wagging around in the air.

Jeff Theodosakis

Ricky won L.A. Coliseum SX [ed. note: He didn’t win, but he did “win” the night with his speech] with our shorts on over his pants. So we ran these ads, and we started, like, a direct-to-consumer business. Back then we were usually just selling to dealers. But we started Too Hip. That was the nickname Ricky had.

Rick Johnson

Wearing those shorts at the Rodil Cup was a big help to move product. They were selling through surf shops and stuff like that. We were trying to get them into motorcycle shops. Kids were calling from all over the place wanting the stuff. So we said let’s come up with a company, and we called it Too Hip. Stevie Wright was friends with Scott Cox, who had an advertising agency, so we put together some ads and stuff. We did Too Hip, and it was mail and call-in, because there wasn’t internet or anything like that. So there would be an ad in Motocross Action or Dirt Rider or Super/Motocross magazine. People would call in and we’d ship the stuff.

Jeff Theodosakis

So we’d do all the goofy ads with Ricky getting his hair cut, and just fun stuff like that showing our gear. It was all direct to consumer. Scott Cox was kind of the creative director behind that and did all the great shots. Great guy. He did so much for us back then. He was good friends with Ricky. He’d be like, “Let’s go get you a buzz cut.” We’d put that in the magazine. Just all the goofy antics that Ricky would do. We would live off that energy.

Jeff Surwall

These shorts, they were not a generic-looking pair of shorts, usually. If you had them on, people either saw them or wondered what they were. They stood out. So if someone wanted them, it was easy to tell what they were. I’d give them phone numbers or whatever I could do that way.

Mark Simo

Ricky’s a curious guy. He likes to try things. He loved the idea of the whole lifestyle. He loved to have fun. So basically it was just all of us really getting together and having a good time. He really adopted the Bad Boy [character]. That became sort of the image that we all had, the whole group of us, and the Bad Boy Club became this group of guys.

Jeff Theodosakis

We just started thinking of other cool stuff. We had our sharks and our skulls and our bats and switchblades and chains. We said, let’s do some more interesting stuff. We just always loved The Jetsons. We got a hold of Hanna-Barbera. We wrote a license with them, and then we got to use Elroy and George. We did the print. It was a 13-color print, the Jetsons print. Then we said, Three Stooges were our heroes. I still have the painting that was in our old offices. I have it here at my home now. We lived our lives like we just took notes from those guys on how to live. So we got a hold of Moe’s daughter somehow, and we wrote a license with the Three Stooges too. So we had Curly on shorts. We had Three Stooges film-reel stuff.

Mark Simo

It was pretty simple back in those days, and that was, I think, the more enjoyable part of it. At that point, it wasn’t complicated. We really only made shorts, and then later T-shirts. T-shirts weren’t even the big part of the business in the early years. It was mostly the shorts. We had like the Jetson characters and the Bad Boy. All that stuff was pretty simple. Stickers were probably the most ridiculous thing. Oakley probably was one of the ones that started it, but putting stickers—we had them on every car in the country. It was great.

Steve Wright

The brand was still really hot, but under-distributed. So I opened up the first Life’s a Beach store in El Cajon. We had a big grand opening and [San Diego radio station] 91X there. Just thousands of people. We had skateboard ramps in the parking lot back in the early eighties. It was the strip center right off 2nd St. It was called the Harvest Ranch. It was kind of cool. The story gets even better. I think Ricky’s wife today, Stephanie, worked for me when she was like 16 or 17. We always laugh. She used to wear these neon skirts. I’m sure that stuff’s getting ready to come back in. We both had really busy schedules, working probably 45 weekends out of the 52 weeks in the year.

Mark Simo

It went from about ’84 to ’89, and it was just sort of straight-up growth. That’s when we had problems capitalizing the growth.

Jeff Theodosakis

In 1987 we had brand-new 250 Hondas, all three of us. We had Mitch [Payton] from Pro Circuit dial them all in for us, pipes and suspension. They were all bitchin’. Just broken in, maybe ten hours on them. We had five or six employees at Life’s a Beach then. Coming in one Monday, we were like, “Guys, how are we going to make payroll? We’ve got to pay our employees.” We can’t do it. So we told Marty Moates. He was a friend and a teammate since the seventies. Jeff Surwall and Marty were on the LOP team. Greg Thiess was on there, too, but it was me, Jeff Surwall, and Marty early on. So we said, “How are we going to make payroll?” We’re looking around. What can we sell? We’re thinking about any ways to bring up cash. We all kind of glanced over at our three bitchin’, perfect bikes leaning against each other in the warehouse, and we’re like, “We’ve got to sell them.” So we said to Marty, “Can you find someone that’ll buy these things?” So he found a guy, and we sold them for like 60 cents on the dollar, but we needed the money to make payroll. I remember tears in my eyes as I rolled that bike up the ramp onto the pickup truck. We got three of them in there. I was thinking “This is the last motocross bike I’m going to own.” And it was.

Brian Simo

We gave up a lot of stuff for money. We were all-in. That really happened.

Mark Simo

Back in those days, we would find someone in Japan that wanted to distribute the product, and it was sort of like they became our bank, because they would pre-pay the product and help us fund our business because they wanted American brands. So we found whatever clever trick we could to keep it going, but in the end, the growth outpaced us. That’s when the licensing scenario came up where Laurens had the resources to take it to the next level financially, but it was not necessarily, in my opinion, the right thing for the whole brand and direction of the company. That’s how we got that problem. That’s was the beginning of the end of my and Brian’s involvement.

Jeff Theodosakis

We were doing, I think, $6.5 million in 1989. Then we had Bubble Gum Surf Wax in the building with us, and they were doing about eight or nine hundred. Then another brand called Mambo, which my brother ran. So I think our collective was about $8 million in our building.

Mark Simo

The sad thing about it is money shouldn't come between friends. Sometimes it does. There’s a lot of perceptions of how well certain people did or didn’t do. In the Life’s a Beach days, when Ricky said he wasn’t getting paid a lot of money, we weren’t either. We were so undercapitalized, we ended up having to license the brand up just to stay alive. So there wasn’t money to spread around in those early years. We weren’t making money like that. The perception of it was much bigger than the reality of it.

Rick Johnson

I never saw any money from it. I think they made some money from it, and I didn’t. But I didn’t pursue it real hard. So I got some free shorts and I got free clothes. We did some ads. We had a lot of fun, and they bought me dinner most of the time.

Brian Simo

Bad Boy Club and Life’s a Beach was just a bunch of guys getting together and making stuff happen, but for the better part of that time, three of us lived in a house, sharing a house and sharing cars. I think that people perceived a lot of our success as always being successful. It was brought up to me not too long ago. Someone said, “Gee whiz, everything you guys have ever done has been successful.” I said, “Well, that’s not true.” We stuck in every fight long enough to end up on the top side of it, but most of what we did was an adventure, not necessarily a success. I think there was a lot of people and businesses that grow quickly or businesses that grow uniquely where there are interesting claims and IOUs to what really happened. It certainly wouldn’t be the first person, but there was a cast of characters on all sides—not just Ricky but a host of other athletes and celebrities and friends and all that.

Jeff Theodosakis

There’s a couple dynamics going on simultaneously. First of all, Mark and Brian and I were only maybe five degrees off in our vector, in our path for the business, in our intentions for the business, our expectations. I wanted to be over here and they were just over there. It wasn’t bad. So it’s not a big gap at first, but we went six years and stayed on those same vectors. We weren’t mature enough to have the difficult conversations to bring it together, to reconcile our differences. We would just go our separate ways if we had differences and just carry a grudge or whatever. So that built up to the point, because of our immaturity, it was kind of an insurmountable gap, and it really started to weigh on our relationship.

Mark Simo

When we realized we had something is when you can’t even keep up with it. The opportunity is bigger than you can serve. When you’re in a situation like that, you’re trying to keep up, and that’s a signal. I can’t say there was this huge, huge event that changed everything. That comes later.

Jeff Theodosakis

We did a deal with Laurens a couple years prior because we outgrew our ability to fund the business. It was growing at such a rate that we couldn’t…. So we did a licensee deal where we’d sell the stuff and market it, and Laurens would manufacture it, put it on a shelf, ship it, collect it, and pay a royalty to us. So it was a licensee/licensor relationship. It was working, and then there was some tension there and it wasn’t working. So we canceled the agreement that we wrote, and in the agreement, it says if you cancel it, you need to buy all the inventory and then pay all the outstanding debts. Which is normal, because they wouldn’t have license to sell it anymore. Thirty days later, according to the agreement, Laurens shows up with his attorneys and says, “Where’s my $1.2 million?”

Rick Johnson

I remember Brian calling me in tears and said, in his words, “I’m f--ked.” I go, “What do you mean?” He goes, “Everything’s gone.” I go, “What do you mean?” I don’t know. He had a bulldog named Sweetpea, and I thought maybe Sweetpea got ran over or something. He goes, “Laurens took everything. He put us in a position that we had to walk away or we would have screwed all of our vendors,” meaning everybody that built their shorts and their belt company and their T-shirt companies and all this different stuff. He said, “Laurens had us in a spot to where we have to walk away.” So I said to Brian, “I can grab my trailer and we can come steal a bunch of T-shirts and sell it over time at the swap meet for you to live.” So we contemplated that for a little bit. He said, “Let me call you back.” Then he said, “No, we can’t do that.”

Mark Simo

Everything was a handshake situation back then. Contracts were for people who wanted to see the world differently. It was loose. At some point, all in hindsight, that separation—Laurens wanted the brand and wanted to continue on. I think Beaver was at a point where he was looking at how he wanted to engage going forward. Brain and I had our own ideas. So Laurens ends up with the brand. I think Beaver spent some time there with him. We actually went through a little legal battle.

Jeff Theodosakis

We were just like, “Whatever, Laurens. We’re just stopping this thing.” He’s like, “Okay, but you guys wrote this agreement here.” So we were just negligent. We were all about the brand. We were all about the sizzle. We were all about fun. We were all about just stepping out and being totally irreverent. That side of it we were decent at, but we didn’t have fiscal responsibility. We didn’t have a financial backbone in the company that could help us hold the line. We’re 20-something-year-old guys having a ball. So we learned the hard way. Essentially, we had to sell the trademarks, Bad Boy Club and Life’s a Beach, to Laurens to satisfy the bank debt, which my father cosigned on a bank loan for us. My dad was going to get stung on that. So we had to give him the trademarks to pay off all the debts. And he did. He paid all the motocross magazines and surf magazines, all the debts. He’d pay everybody off. The bank, anyone we owed money to, and then we’re good. That was the deal.

Brian Simo

Sometimes success is more challenging than failure. It’s different types of problems. Financing businesses, especially growing businesses, [isn’t] always easy. A lot of times we call it selling your soul to the devil, because [of] the way that you finance your business—and most businesses that grow quickly can’t grow organically. They can’t grow off of profits and sales. They have to reach further out and raise capital and take money in a unique way. So that was probably more so the case with No Fear, but at the same time, undercapitalized businesses make up for the lack of capital in creativity sometimes. That’s what we did.

Mark Simo

Eventually you have to read the stuff [contracts], whether you like it or not. So I had an attorney who was up in Orange County in Newport. I went up and met him. He said, “Hey, look, you’ve got to give up. This is over.” I’m like, “What do you mean this is over? That’s my brand.” He said, “No, you don’t have money to fight. This isn’t a battle you’re going to win.” I think he kind of said that more because he knew I wasn’t going to be able to pay him, so he wasn’t going to volunteer any more legal work.

Jeff Theodosakis

[The Simo brothers and I] kind of weren’t talking at that time. There were a lot of assumptions being made. There were a lot of people filling in the gaps that weren’t true. We still had a ton of respect for each other, and we still really liked each other, but we had insurmountable differences in business.

Mark Simo

The lawyer could tell I was upset, and he made a comment when I walked out the door. He said, “Hey, if it’s any consolation, you’re the most powerful guy in the room now.” I said, “What does that mean?” He said, “Well, you’ve got nothing, so that means you’ve got nothing to lose. You can go do anything you want.” I remember driving home from Newport thinking about that going, “Huh. He’s kind of right. I can do anything I want. I’m out. I can do whatever I want.” So I came home and I talked to Brian about it. He kind of felt the same. When I explained it, I said, “We can do anything we want. We’re the most dangerous guys out there. We’ve got nothing to lose.”

Jeff Theodosakis

The slogan “No Fear” came out in ’87. I’ve got some of the original No Fear T-shirts with Life’s a Beach on the front with No Fear on the back.

Mark Simo

Mark Baagoe, who did the Life’s a Beach and the Bad Boy logos, was kind of off on a tangent, doing a lot of drugs. I’m not sure which one he was on, but it was a pretty hard drug, whatever it was. But he took a red paintbrush and he wrote “No Fear” on the wall of his art room. So it wasn’t even a plan. I just saw that and I go, “That kind of looks cool.” So the idea was born. Honestly, all these brands were ideas that came from creative people. We were just good at pulling all the pieces together and creating the energy around the idea.

Jeff Surwall

It was a difficult time because my sister and Beaver were together. Mark and Brian were kind of fighting against Beaver, and I was really stuck in the middle on that one. They were going to go do their own thing, which was No Fear. Beaver couldn’t leave Life’s a Beach because his parents were the financing for Life’s a Beach. So to get the money and some other things back that Beaver and his family had invested in it, Beaver had to stay on for a year. They thought he was kind of a traitor, but Beaver couldn’t not pay his parents a lot of money. It was hundreds of thousands of dollars, so he couldn’t just say “screw it” and walk on his parents. So he was in a tough spot, so he stayed, and that separated those guys a lot. He did his year and then started prAna with my sister, which still is a really successful yoga/climbing/outdoor clothing [brand]. And those guys started No Fear and it took off like crazy. So I was kind of wearing Life’s a Beach on one side in my head and No Fear on the other and kind of trying to help both. I was trying to be neutral, but it was tough.

Brian Simo

It was a lot of fun. I always say that Life’s a Beach was more of a cult following than a business. It included a lot of childhood friends.

Jeff Theodosakis

I always use the phrase “We left with not even the shirts on our back.” Life’s a Beach, in the end, zero. But what we had was a suitcase full of lessons, and those lessons were the foundation for our future companies. When people come to work for companies that I’m part of, I put a lot of value on if they’ve had their own business and have failed, because that’s where the real learning [happens], when you have consequence. When you fail. When you’re successful, you’re not learning, because you’re thinking it’s all you. But when you fail like this, those lessons really stick.

Mark Simo

So a new chapter began for us, and for Beaver, too, I think. He created the prAna brand, which was more outdoor sports brand, rock climbing, and yoga-inspired stuff. He went one direction and had a lot of success doing that.

Jeff Theodosakis

I’d see them every once in a while and give them a thumbs-up or whatever, but we weren’t talking. It was dark times. It was like a bad divorce. When you see people in the grocery store it’s like, which side are they on? It depends on the look they give you.

Mark Simo

We were kind of in two different worlds. I felt a little wounded, and Brian felt a little wounded, and I’m sure Beaver did too. But we split up. Ricky was still around, but he was now kind of exiting the scene from motocross because of his injury, which was sort of tragic. Beaver had taken up racing cars, local small stuff. So we kind of started looking at life after your day-to-day motocross ambitions of being the next factory star. The reality kicks in. We had a little business experience, started to grow, and ran with that.

Rick Johnson

I didn’t want to come in there and invest in it. I just said, “I’ll back you. I’ll push it as hard as I can.” I did.

Brian Simo

Ricky and I were very good friends, and we ran pretty hard together on a lot of fronts. Ricky’s business was Ricky’s business and our business was our business, from the standpoint of how Ricky made a living and how we made a living. I think there may have been a bit of a perspective of what roles people played.

Mark Simo

At that point, we were so all-in trying to get it going. We started with nothing, zero money. Of course we were friendly with Marty Moates, and he was working for a car dealership up in San Clemente. He called me one day and said, “I’m getting a divorce. I don’t know what I’m going to do. We’ll get together and work on this No Fear thing.” So he came over on day one, so it was Marty, Brian, and I at the beginning of the No Fear thing. Marty wasn’t quite the size ownership that we were. We brought in a couple of random guys when we got real desperate for money in the early years. This guy gave us a little bit of money. So we had about five or six of us altogether that had some money in it.

The first logo was exactly what was on the wall. It looked like a paintbrush. It said No Fear on the back and I put it on a T-shirt because that’s all we could afford. We couldn’t even afford to make shorts at that point. So I made a T-shirt. I put it on, and I was at the Dallas airport. I remember people reading it off my back. They were reading the logo off my back, so I said, “Maybe we got something here.” That’s when it started. But we didn’t have any money.

Rick Johnson

I got them involved with [car racers] Richard Buck and Rick Mears. I would give them Life’s a Beach and Bad Boy Club stuff back in the day. I was Indianapolis meeting with General Motors regarding stadium truck racing. I met Richard and I said, “No, you’ve got to take that Bad Boy Club thing off. You gotta put the No Fear on.” And that’s the year that Rick Mears flipped in qualifying, got in his backup car, went faster, qualified on the pole. There’s a picture of Richard Buck holding a notebook that said “No Fear” on it. It said, “Rick Mears has no fear. Don’t let your fears get in the way of your dreams.” So that whole thing got going, and then I got them hooked up with Jeremy McGrath.

Jeremy McGrath

That was ’91, my first year on Peak/Pro Circuit Honda. So that’s sort of when I met Surwall at the same time, but sort of just as an acquaintance. You probably remember when you first got your free T-shirt or whatever it was from somebody. Like, “Holy shit, I can’t believe this is even happening.” That was me in ’91, because first of all I’m just blown away that I even have a team ride. RJ called me to get the ride when I was at Loretta’s. We all know that story. Then to be invited to be on the No Fear team was another kind of an amazing moment. The first time I ever got any No Fear stuff, I had to meet up with Ricky and Stephanie [RJ’s wife] at their house in ’91—that’s when he gave me a full bag of No Fear shirts and all this stuff. It was pretty wild how that all first happened. That was my introduction to No Fear.

Mark Simo

When you’re developing a brand, a story comes with it. The Life’s a Beach story was just about where we were in our lives, wanting to live at the beach and live this lifestyle. The Bad Boy Club thing came around with an attitude. Hey, we’re hanging with Ricky Johnson and that’s the baddest mother---er that ever swung his leg over a bike. I remember getting in a car with Ricky. He had gotten back from a race in Europe and he said, “You know something? I’m the fastest mother---er in the world.” That attitude, the confidence—Ricky gives an unbelievable speech about confidence. Everybody should hear that speech. It’s unbelievable. So the idea of the Bad Boy Club was basically finding that sort of Ricky Johnson-like hunger and fight to go do something. We were pretty impressed with the guy that maybe wasn’t the most talented guy that ever rode a bike, but definitely was the most hungry guy that ever rode a bike. That was sort of the Bad Boy Club story. That attitude was really attractive.

Rick Johnson

[The Simo brothers] were trying to help me get involved with some stock car racing with the Bechtel family, which is a pretty wealthy family. So I did a test. They signed me. We went to an awards banquet, the Busch Car National Awards Banquet. They announced that I was going to be racing for Rookie of the Year the following year. One of the Bechtel’s friends came to the room afterwards, and they thought that I was going to answer the door and then [they would] hit me with the fire extinguisher. Well, it hit my wife in the face. I thought it was going to kill her, because she couldn't breathe. It was crazy. Well, they all freaked out, and thought I was going to sue them, so they ended it. So because of the introduction from Jim Hancock and Jeff Surwall, I thought, “This could be the changing point of my life.” Stupid on my part, but anyway, I thought, “You guys made this introduction. This is going to be awesome.” I bought them both Rolex watches. I got a $20,000 contract. I spent 10 grand of it, bought them watches that said thank you for that, this, and that. The next week, the deal was done. They’re still wearing the watches, and I don’t have a deal.

Brian Simo

Boris is a living cartoon character, for one, so you’ve got to know that going into it. Great guy. Always there. Always supportive. Was really good at helping put deals together.

Mark Simo

One of our first shirts was “Pussies Will Never Be Heroes.” That was actually a shot at Beaver. We were pretty angry in our split. It was more like a “Hey, we’re going to go for this. We’re going to go down this No Fear path, and we’re going to go out there and take this stand.” It was kind of an attitude. The shirt was kind of a statement. It was actually kind of funny. It wasn’t one of our better sellers, but it certainly was a comment.

Rick Johnson

Marty [Moates] came on board. I think he invested some money. Marty knew the Simo brothers because Mark Simo was his mechanic when he won the GP at Carlsbad. Laurens, who took them down, introduced Mark and Brian to Marty back in the day.

Mark Simo

Marty, Brian, and I were living in the warehouse at the time, so it made sense. We were keeping the overhead low. It’s easy when you don’t have kids and a family. We lived there, and we’d go to happy hours. Back then we probably singlehandedly killed happy-hour snacks. We’d go and have dinner for happy hour and get some chicken wings for free. But we did that to get off the ground. Those are the sacrifices you make, but we had so much fun. We started going out a lot with Ricky and Marty, and then Boris comes into town. We’re all just having a great time. The fun generated a lot of energy.

Rick Johnson

Boris hated me. The story is so intertwined. Boris wanted to punch me in the face because he went to Binghamton, New York, to race an ATK, and he had an aluminum gas tank or something like that and they disqualified him. I was leading the 500 National Championship in ’87 or ’86 or something like that. He thought that I had him disqualified. I didn’t even know he existed. I didn’t know he was there. Why would I have him protested? So he resented me for years. So when I met him, one day he finally goes, “I’ve got to tell you something. I was going to punch you in the face for getting me disqualified.” I’m like, “What? Who are you?”

Boris Said

Yes, that’s true. I ran practice, and then they told me I couldn’t race. Someone told me he ratted me out, and I couldn’t believe it. I wanted to kick his ass, even though he was my hero. Pretty funny when we met ten years later!

Mark Simo

The company had a couple moments. We were fortunate. We started giving some corner workers at the races T-shirts because they were volunteers. Well, those same corner workers at Willow Springs—I didn’t know it at the time—came to the Del Mar Grand Prix. They wore white pants and a white shirt, and they wore the No Fear T-shirts we gave them. A car caught on fire, and all these corner workers rushed out to pull the guy out of a burning car. It’s on the front cover of the San Diego Union, with a bunch of guys with No Fear on. So the headline of the San Diego Union reads “No Fear.” That was kind of the early things that started happening. It was really pretty quiet. We did have Robby Gordon with us. Ivan Stewart was involved early on. Back in those days it was all print ads. You’d run an ad in Motocross Action or Surfing or Surfer Magazine.

Brian Simo

Mark managed upstairs quite well. He was very good in conversation no matter who you put in front of him, whether it be a Roger Penske or a Phil Knight or a Jim Jannard at Oakley. Mark was brilliant at doing that. He was a good strategist business-wise.

Mark Simo

I went to the Pomona drag races with a guy, Bill Miller, who made all the pistons for the Top Fuel cars. John Force was just coming up. John Force walks into the trailer, and he introduces him to my brother and I and says, “These are the No Fear guys.” He goes, “No, I’m the No Fear guy.” Bob Glidden from the pro-stock class joined us; he was really well-respected. John Force is just this new, loudmouth kind of guy coming up. So Bob Glidden says, “Hey, Force, you’re going to support these guys, and you’re not getting any money, so put a sticker on your car.” So Force goes, “Okay.” He put it on top of his helmet. At the Pomona race, his car blew up and caught on fire. He climbed out of the top, and the first thing you see is a picture of him pushing out of the car with the No Fear sticker on the top of his helmet. Then we got involved with Rick Mears. Rick had that spin and win where he had spun and continued on and won the Indy 500. It was a crazy story.

Mark Simo

We were racing cars. IMSA came to Del Mar, and that’s the first time I ever saw what a prototype sports car looked like. Some of the guys like Hans Stuck were racing there, and I ended up racing with him at BMW and some of the other characters in car racing. There was a lot of crossover stuff in car racing. Robby Gordon was an ex-motocross guy as a young kid. We met Robby at the Del Mar Grand Prix. He was one of the early guys in the No Fear brand when we were looking to start finding these characters to get behind it.

Jeff Surwall

I was helping get some distribution for them and doing some other things. They were like, “You’ve got to work here. We can’t keep up. We’re so damn busy.” I was always a little more … I don’t want to say logical, but I put a little more thought into some of the stuff. Mark was full speed ahead always, and his brother kind of would follow that. So I had a good place to fit in there.

Mark Simo

During that period, people were taking chances. They were skydiving. ESPN had the X Games starting. All that stuff was converging, so those risk-taking things really symbolized the brand. Part of the story of the No Fear brand was just an evolution of the Bad Boy Club, going to the next level. Not just in your sports life, but also in your professional life. Take risks to live a better life. One of the things I thought [was] when you’re the No Fear guy, you kind of got to live up to it. That folds into allowing things to be a little bit more chaotic. The chaos actually creates an amazing amount of energy and creativity. So a lot of the great ideas came by just allowing the chaos to exist.

Jeff Surwall

I became the national sales manager and sports marketing director. Everybody had, like, five jobs. I was the sales manager and the sports marketing director. It went crazy then.

Paul Tracy

I went to a couple supercrosses and Jeff introduced me to Ricky Johnson. I went out to California to Ricky’s house. He was living in Carlsbad then. I stayed with him for like a week and we did some training, bike riding, and stuff like that. He had introduced me then to Mark.

Boris Said

I remember watching Surwall as this privateer, and he was really fast. I knew exactly who he was. One of my first times out in California visiting they go, “We’re going to dinner with Jeff Surwall,” and I was like, “Oh my God, Jeff Surwall!” Then I was like, “Oh my God, he’s not really that impressive. He’s just a normal guy.”

Jeremy McGrath

Surwall and I had met each other a few times at races. He was sort of working at No Fear. Then we became fast friends. He and I are a lot alike. We had a lot in common, and we hit it off perfectly. Jeff and I, we started a great friendship at that time. When I first met Mark and Brian was probably one of the trips down to No Fear. I lived all the way up in Murrieta at the time, so it was a bit of a drive for us, but whatever I had to do to make it happen, I did. That’s when I met Boris. There was a bunch of other guys. Beaver’s awesome. He’s a good friend of mine now. We ride mountain bikes together and everything now. Beaver’s a huge mentor to all of us because he’s very successful. He stepped out of No Fear at the right time, built his own brand. It became very successful, and he’s still super successful today. He’s an unbelievable guy. So unique. He’s one of my biggest inspirations as far as business guys go. He’s cool.

Skip Norfolk

When I went in there, I was working with Jeff on the sports marketing side. My first project was Adrian Fernandez on the IndyCar side of things. The No Fear guys were working with him. We were doing all the apparel: hats, T-shirts, stuff like that. I helped those guys execute the visuals of the IndyCar racing.

Mark Simo

The biggest game-changer came in 1992. This was something we didn’t truly understand. In 1992, Ice-T, the rapper, wore a No Fear hat on CNN right after he had written the song “Cop Killer.” This is when the L.A. riots were going on. Surprisingly, you can still go to YouTube and look up Ice-T and “Cop Killer” and you’ll see the video where he’s wearing the hat. We had nothing to do with that. I don’t know how he found it. That’s when everything exploded. We didn’t come from the hip-hop world. We weren’t dealing with the inner city. We were dealing with coastal and inland motocross and surf guys. Along comes Ice-T and our world changed. Our sales went up by $100 million that year. We didn’t truly know why. It created a situation that we’ve been fortunate to take advantage of.

Boris Said

It was like, instantly after that, everybody had to have it. It started to become kind of a fad-like cult. All these kids wanted it. Everybody wanted it. It just grew and grew and grew after that.

Jeff Surwall

I remember the Ice-T thing, and I remember on the front page of every newspaper story for a flood, someone put No Fear on their roof. That picture was in the news. It was like sandbags on their roof and the water was up to their gutters. That picture was on every news channel and everything. Also, Tom Rathman of the San Francisco 49ers and a few other guys put a sticker on their helmet, and they were circling it on Monday Night Football and going, “You can’t wear stickers on your helmet!” Then they fined them, and they kept writing about “why can’t you wear stickers?” Then Brett Favre and a few guys would wear the sticker and we’d tell them we couldn’t afford to pay the fine. You can’t do it. They’re like, “We don’t care, we’ll pay it!”

Boris Said

After about eight months to a year, we actually moved out of the warehouse and we rented a house. We only had enough money for the house. We had air mattresses that I put on my credit card. Then RJ just bought a house, so he got all new furniture, so he gave us all his old furniture. Then we were living like kings, we thought, in this house with furniture and everything. But that was really the second year; ’92 is when it really, really started to go.

Steve Wright

I had, like, four stores. I had North County Fair, which covered the north county. I had El Cajon, which was the biggest, best store for some reason, just really motocross and action-sports influenced. I think I had Bonita Plaza and even Mission Valley for a while. I had my plate full and over 100 employees on my end. It was cool. Mark and Brian didn’t put a lot of restrictions on me. We’re still friends, probably best friends today. We’ve been through the good, the bad, the ugly. I was there when they lost everything with Life’s a Beach. I was there at the beginning of No Fear.

Boris Said

Steve Wright is a really good friend now. He won the Baja 1000 on a three-wheeler overall back in the day in’85 or something. He had a No Fear store that did incredibly well in the El Cajon mall. By talking to him you wouldn’t even think he could walk and chew gum, but he was a marketing genius.

Steve Wright

Mark used me in his sales meetings all the time. How can this store in El Cajon sell a million dollars? He sells more than entire countries! Mark’s still doing pretty big numbers, but if you sold 50 to 100,000 you were considered kind of a B or an A account. But I just fully committed to those guys. Selling a million dollars at wholesale, that was a lot. So when we did 1.8, most of my sales—80 percent of my sales—were No Fear. I guess when I last checked, 80 percent of it was T-shirts. Yeah, we all want to remember the letterman jacket, but I sold 5,000 No Fear shirts a month.

Brian Simo

Stevie [Wright], as well as many others, he got involved and was instrumental. I worked with him very closely showcasing what we were as a brand and a business. We all did one thing together: We all put on helmets. We all put on gear. We all lived our lives together but separately. Stevie was the one that initiated the first stores. We learned a lot about human nature and how people buy products, which we still live on today.

Mark Simo

We started selling T-shirts, and at this point by the millions. We ran into a real problem. We bought every T-shirt we could find in California from all the distributors, so we were buying mixed and matched sizes and brands, and we couldn't keep up with the demand. I got totally lucky. I took a plane and went to Haines. I got an appointment with the CEO and I said, “Look, I need your help. I need a million shirts a month. Can you get them to me?” The guy looked at me like I was crazy and he said, “Sure.” He didn’t even ask me for any financial statements. He sent me a million shirts seven days later, and for three years, a million shirts a month came from Haines.

Brian Simo

People saw us an apparel company. I never in my life had an affinity for apparel, which is hard to say. We put out the dollars that we put out—big dollars—in apparel, in a category that we were not very passionate about. So the marketing department called us the best merchandising company in the sports business, which may in fact have been a better deal.

Greg Theiss

I knew in Nebraska here we had a company called The Buckle. They’re one of the biggest retailers around the country as far as that kind of store. They’re really a first-class operation. I said, “Hey, guys, I want to handle the account with The Buckle, so I’m going to start knocking on their door and we’ll see where we go.” It took two years to get those guys to agree to do anything. When they finally did, we were running hard. They’re unbelievable business guys there. At that point, the brand had taken off and the brand was just selling everywhere in big, big ways. They jumped on No Fear and we did a lot of business at that time with them.

Brian Simo

Another ex-moto guy. Again, growing up with Greg … Greg was involved in probably more on the business side of life. He was involved financially as well as from a management standpoint. Greg always remained very neutral in all of the above. He was a great guy. His life challenges, we all lived through. The fact that we’re still talking today is an amazing feat just from what’s happened to him in his life.

David Bailey

Obviously, I got hurt and I was back east. Then I moved back out here to California. It was early nineties. I was working at JT because of a nice offer from John Gregory, the original owner of JT. Then I stopped. It was a long drive, and I wasn’t sure how effective I really was there, because Mark Blanchard was there really carrying the weight. I just kind of opted out, thinking I wanted to make a bigger difference wherever I am and getting paid. I don’t like just making a check. So I was in limbo.

Skip Norfolk

The NASCAR side of things was something that was my focus, and of course motocross. Then all of a sudden I was working and I had a little desk set up right beside Jeff’s desk. Jeff was still doing the sports marketing and transitioning out of the national sales manager position at that time and was taking on the sports marketing side of stuff. Next thing you know, there’s seven buildings. We had a production facility. We had a design facility. We had a sports marketing building. Those guys—Mark and Jeff and Brian—to me they were brilliant. They created some really cool brands.

David Bailey

I got a call from ESPN, and right at almost exactly the same time I saw this full-page ad on the back of a magazine out there called Competitor. It was like a Cycle News basically. On the whole back page it just had this color photo of a guy just diving off a bridge like a bungee jump, which was fairly new back then. It was just a bitchin’ picture, just this full-on like, “Here we go!” It just said, “Face your fears. Live your dream. No Fear.” I’m like, that’s cool. So I called over there, and somehow I got hold of Mary Moates. He was like, “Hey, what are you doing right now?” I’m like, “Nothing.” He goes, “You’re close by, aren’t you?” And I was. So I drove over there, and like 20 minutes later he’s taking me through the back with a shopping basket just going, “Hey, you like this shirt? Want this one? That one?” Before I had left, Mark and Brian and Don Whitmer, who was heading up their T-shirt stuff, they pretty much had a desk for me and a computer. I’m like, “I don’t even know how to use a computer though!” They’re like, “We’ll show you. It’s easy!” And I had a job.

Mark Simo

David was a really, really talented designer. He kind of came through that era where Greg Arnett or Oakley [were] tweaking and making little bike parts…. Those guys were into really trick stuff. David had that knack. We were designing a line of auto-racing safety equipment. David would sit down and his nose would be an inch from the paper, and he would just be working. He designed driving shoes and the Driving Force line of driving stuff. He was a phenomenal, phenomenal designer.

David Bailey

I was in the art department, which was basically about the size of a tennis court with high ceilings. There was nothing really in there, just a few desks. Don Whitmer showed me how to use the Macintosh. I had a legal pad, jotting stuff down. I designed a few things and they were like, “Why don’t you do some cycling gear?” I had no idea what I was doing at all. A friend of mine that I had met at the San Diego Supercross, a guy named Todd Jacobs, he rode by one day. I told him, “Stop by and check it out. I’m making cycle gear. I have no idea what I’m doing. You’re a good cyclist—have you got any ideas?” And he did. He said, “Why don’t you just take some of the flannel stuff that’s real popular and make some jerseys and stuff out of that? Don’t try to be a full-on Castelli legit cycling company. You guys are edgy. Do something like that.” So I went to Florida to the sewing girl there. She made a sleeveless, a short-sleeve, and a long-sleeve cycling jersey all on the kind of popular material. I came into work the next day and Brian’s like, “Did you see the jerseys?” I go back there where they were and I’m like, “These are pretty neat.” It completely changed that whole category. It was all Lycra up until then, and then this made a little bit looser and more edgy. Then a few other companies kind of popped up. I think No Fear and Todd, it was actually their idea to just make a left and see if it worked, and it did.

Boris Said

[Bailey] was quiet. I was always a big David Bailey fan. I think I bought one of his helmets at an auction from the Trophee des Nations. His brother worked there, too, Mitchell. He was a lot more talkative. David was always nice. He was more to himself. He was more of an introvert than an extrovert, and most people at No Fear were extroverts.

David Bailey

I ultimately left in ’97 after watching triathlons. I decided, “I want to do that now.” I think they went from doing okay to, like, $100 million in a year or something like that. I’d just be sitting there trying to think of an idea, and then [Major League Baseball Hall of Famer] Reggie Jackson would come walking down the hallway.

Rick Johnson

David was designing bicycle stuff. He designed some 100% graphics. David’s always been really sharp. He did a couple different things down at JT. David, I think, has probably got one of the coolest hands and eyes that I’ve ever seen. Once again, they were at that point where they couldn’t put No Fear on enough shit. Bicycle shorts, swim shorts, they were everywhere.

David Bailey

Mark and Brian were racing cars, I think, at the same time. Then one time for fun at the end-of-the-year party they covered the entire parking lot, which was a pretty good size, with sand, and they put a huge dance floor and made a big stage, and they hired KC and the Sunshine Band. It was like, “Is this really happening?” And they had these little huts where you had to go and get a drink and everything. Everyone dressed up. Brian I think won the dressed-up contest. He had either no shirt or it was unbuttoned all the way down. He had a spraypainted gold necklace with an eight-track tape and super high shoes, just a full-on Saturday Night Fever deal. So they had it full blast. You never really knew what to expect when you went there, other than get your work done and have fun doing it.

Jeff Surwall

I met David when I was, like, 13 years old when his dad was doing school. I’ve known him forever. He came in and he was doing design stuff. He’s always been super detailed and meticulous, even when he rode and everything. He was good. It probably didn’t fit his personality, because the place was a crazy mess most of the time. He definitely liked structure. He was great while he was there, but it’s oil and water with his personality and the way it was there.

Rick Johnson

Everything hit. A lot of it was the synergy of everybody. Collectively, there was nothing we couldn’t do. We could walk into a bar and run the place. We could go to a race and run the place. We could go anyplace. It didn’t matter how much money somebody had or if somebody had more money than us or nicer cars or whatever. Any time we all showed up—and we all showed up 100 percent—we ran the place 100 percent. Everyone wanted to dance with us. Everyone wanted to buy us drinks. Everyone wanted to hang out. It was just the energy and the synergy of it all was killing it. Somewhere along the way it got lost.

Brian Simo

I was always amazed that I would go to work in the morning and 600 people would follow me.

Jeff Surwall

I think it went from 1 million to 5 to 25 to 105 to 145. So those years were rapid growth.

Brian Simo

I think we used to call it organized chaos. When you put youth, energy, and enthusiasm in a room you get all of the above. That will always transcend time and people in any business, and we had an abundance of it.

Jeremy McGrath

Thank God it was the nineties. I think half those guys got their wives out of the chicks they hired. Of course, they’re all divorced now. I would say they were certainly ripping tear-offs out of there. I was a little too young to be involved in that part of it.

Jeff Surwall

I always kind of played around with the gear and thought it could be better. When it really came together was with Jeremy [McGrath] and Travis [Pastrana] and a bunch of the guys I had. They would wear No Fear clothing twenty-three and a half hours of the day, and then a half an hour of TV at the race they’re wearing Fox or whatever. I’m losing it because I have stickers but I don’t have any control and I’m not getting any exposure.

Mark Simo

Jeff Surwall was in charge of all things motorsports. He was similar to me. He saw a problem with the brand. He wanted to get into more technical equipment and authenticate the brand by making a good line of motocross gear. That was right in line with my thinking of coming up with higher price point, higher-quality products that were more designed to support the brand. So I said, “Jeff, if you want to take that, let’s go ahead and do that.”

Jeff Surwall

I just said we’re so involved in the sport, but we’re just a sideline to it. I knew what the guys were making, salary-wise, and I knew that Jeremy’s deal was coming up, Travis’s deal was coming. I just kind of said, “I want to do this.” The brothers said, “It’s too expensive. We don’t really want to do it. We’re doing the clothing.” For me, the sports marketing end of it had gotten to a point where it was just more stickers and more T-shirts on guys. There was nowhere to go with it.

Jeremy McGrath

The way I remember it is … of course at the time I’m sort of on top of the world with Fox. I’m winning races. I had just transitioned out of that Suzuki deal in ’97 and onto Yamahas in ’98. I was still wearing Fox. Then Jeff came up with, or we all sort of agreed upon, but we came up with that new No Fear symbol. In fact, Jeff came to me with the gear idea and I said, “Of course!” Everything we did at that time was gold. How could I say no to that? Then of course I had the platform to sell it, because I was out there winning races and I could wear it. What I did legally to get out of my Fox contract, I had a clause in my Fox contract that said if I majorly changed my schedule, then my Fox contract basically had to be renegotiated or whatever. That was the year I switched to supercross only. Then we came up with a business plan with No Fear. Of course, looking back, obviously I made some mistakes in doing that in the beginning, because I got in a lawsuit with Pete Fox over bonus structure and stuff like that, which first of all scared the crap out of me because I’m a young kid and I’d never been in any sort of legal mess at all. So we got all that straightened out and No Fear was good.

Jeff Surwall

I talked to Jeremy. Paula [my wife] and I decided to put our money in. Jeremy’s like, “I’ll do it.” So he got involved, and for him, it was when he was going to supercross only. So I had to get some outdoor guys and things. The timing was great. It was hard to not want to do it when I had him and I was about to get Travis. Then I got [Sebastien] Tortelli, and I was already doing [Kevin] Windham’s stuff. So I picked those guys, and then Stefan Everts. We got the cream of the crop. It was a big risk, because gear is a tough business, but you’ve got a lot stacked in your favor. So full steam ahead. I was like, we’re going to run full-page ads every month and try to be kind of like AXO and make the gear look even better than it was, do amazing photos. I got a buddy of mine from France that I’ve been friends with forever, Jerome Mage, who did the designs, and they looked great. Jeremy loved them. The riders loved them. We did some technical, creative stuff. Gear was kind of stale, so we did some cool things. Adjustable waist and Kevlar in the knees. Just a lot of little things to help market it and help make it a little better. It was accepted and it took off.

Skip Norfolk

Adam and Kyle Petty were the big thing in NASCAR. We had a design facility. We had a sports marketing building. Those guys—Mark, Brian, and Jeff—to me they were brilliant. They created some really cool brands.

Sebastien Tortelli

In ’99, when I came to the U.S., I mainly talked to No Fear. I knew Jeremy’s family, and I was presented to Jeff Surwall early on. I wanted to ride with an American company, as the past French riders never were really accepted. On top of it, it was with Jeremy and Kevin, so it had a great wow effect. The gear had cool designs; Jerome Mage did it, so a little French touch! It was good for the time—tough pants and heavyweight jerseys. I remember loving the vented sets, especially at Daytona, but when I pull out of my boxes the few sets that I kept, I realized the cotton jerseys were so heavy. The gear has made an such improvement since.

Jeff Surwall

Jerome was a big part, the designer. Jeremy had input on what he liked and didn’t like. At the time he had earrings and was dyeing his hair different colors. He was kind of cutting-edge but backing it up with results, so it was fine to do whatever you want to do. I knew what I wanted. We all worked kind of together on it.

Jeremy McGrath

I funded the moto program. Jeff and me were 50/50 partners in the gear side of it. Originally, he wanted to use his logo, and I said no, I don’t think it’s a good idea. This is a perfect opportunity for us to come up with our own name, our own brand, and our own stuff. It’s perfect timing. He thought that we would be able to use No Fear and their dealers and their dealer network. There were a lot of good things that we could use in partnering with No Fear. However, the No Fear MX side of it was totally separate from the No Fear T-shirt side of it. So in the beginning, he put money in and I put money in, too, probably to the tune of about $800,000. But I was also taking a salary from the company as an athlete. So I was an I was an investor, business owner, and I was also an athlete. Jeff and I were kicking along. Everything was going good. Mark and Brian, Boris, we’re all buddies.

Travis Pastrana

I was broken. I was in a wheelchair at the time from an FMX crash. Pretty much every offer went from on the table to off the table. Everyone wanted to see if I could come back, if I could get out of the wheelchair, if I could walk again. Right when I turned 15, that’s right when all the contracts are going—pro contracts. It was going to be the first year they were going to do gear. Malcolm [McCassy] called up and Jeremy McGrath called me. That was, like, the coolest. The number-one dude in the world, your all-time hero, reaches out and actually took the time. It was a really quick call. “Heard you might be coming to the team next year. Cool, man.” It made my life.

Jeff Surwall

I was helping Travis do his stuff. Of course, I wasn’t doing his Fox deal after I was making gear that year; it was him and his dad on working that. I know he was hurt. I said, “I don’t care. You’re Travis. You’ll tape yourself together if you have to. I know how you are.” At 12 years old he was jumping 150 feet on a minibike and stuff. So I knew he would be okay—he had the talent, and he was going to be something. I had no reservations or guidelines or “if you do this” in there. I do think his mom, dad, and him appreciated it, because we didn’t know when he’d race again, but I thought he was worth it no matter what. So maybe that’s why they took it right away.

Travis Pastrana

I had a really good relationship with Fox. They did all the Terrafirma stuff, and they really built me from the ground up. [Ricky] Carmichael and [James] Stewart were still big Fox guys. They were just awesome. They were also another fun company, at that time especially. But when I was hurt, not only did McGrath reach out, but Jeff Surwall said, “Look, we’ve got a new company. You’re going to be the highest-paid 125 guy. You’re the only 125 guy. You’re the guy we want. This is the most we can give you, not because you’re hurt, but we believe in you.” Fox said, “We’ll wait until you come back” and basically offered gear the first year and no money or anything—which is fine, but I had already won X Games and stuff, and everyone else was getting paid, and then I went and won Loretta Lynn’s that year.

Jeremy McGrath

We had sort of the dream team. Me and Tortelli, Pastrana, and Windham. That’s a pretty powerhouse team for a brand-new gear company.

Travis Pastrana

After I won Loretta’s and swept it, Honda and Fox came in that year with huge money. This might have been the weirdest story ever, but Fox flew us out there. They were like, “What kind of car do you want?” I had just turned 16. I was like, “I love Corvettes.” They’re like, “That’s the signing bonus.” The number was triple what No Fear had offered. Pete Fox said, “What do you think?” He was really excited. My dad goes, “Well, one, my son is not worth half that much, and two, you didn’t believe in him when he was hurt, and I believe life is about people that believe in you when you’re down and not always going to be up.” Pete got up and walked out. My mom and I were still sitting there like, “What the f--k?”

Jeff Surwall

Travis I had to make special everything for, because his body didn’t move. It was bolted together in different positions. He had a 30” waist and 36” length. He was always more work than the rest of them put together.

Travis Pastrana

Suzuki came through right when I was in a wheelchair and said, “Here’s your deal.” And it was a good deal. “It’s the best we can offer. You’ll be on the factory team with [Roger] DeCoster.” Just awesome. Same thing with Surwall. “This is the most we can possibly afford for whoever it is.” Those two obviously didn’t change. We went down to see Surwall and handshake on the deal and went from there.

McGrath would win the 250SX title in No Fear gear that first year, which helped quite a bit with sales.

Jeff Surwall

The gear really helped revive, I guess you could say, or put some life back in the brand. Like I said, it was so many T-shirts and shorts and just simple things for so long, and then all of a sudden it became relevant in the sport, more so. We had people who were already over the No Fear brand, but the gear helped make it relevant in the motocross end of it. Motocross is one of those sports. It’s hard to say anything negative. It’s hard to do. It’s physically demanding. It’s dangerous. It’s exciting to watch. So it was a great hub for the rest of the brand to go around.

Skip Norfolk

Back then it was all the 100 percent printed cotton jerseys. You would look at those things and they were like cardboard. All this stuff was going on. We started pushing the envelope with the cut and sew that No Fear was doing, being able to make apparel. I was able to tap into those resources and start making sublimation jerseys. We made our very first technical jersey in Carlsbad. We found sublimation before anybody really knew what sublimation was. There was a group in Florida that was sublimating stuff. I didn’t know what it was. We learned about it pretty quickly, and we just started piecing this thing together. We debuted that in Daytona. It was mesh. At that time it was tailored, but nowadays it’s taken it to a whole new level. We really tried to change some things from a construction standpoint, a materials standpoint, and then the design side of things was just light years ahead of everybody else. It was timeless. I look at some of that gear that was done in the late nineties and it’s still relevant from a design standpoint today.

Jeff Surwall

The gear came out in September, and in four months we did $4 million in gear. When I sold it, we were about just over $20 million in sales. We didn’t have the rights for casual clothing. That was the main brand. We had a helmet and boots and a chest protector, simple stuff. The gear part of it grew quick.

Rick Johnson

I knew Surwall before No Fear and I knew Surwall during. He came on and he was the brainchild behind the riding gear. I had tried to talk to them about being a part of it, because Fox kind of shunned me. Everyone kind of washed their hands of me in the moto industry when I went truck racing. He was like, “Nah, I don’t think so.”

Sebastien Tortelli

I think it was a cool thing to be part of Jeremy’s company. I grew up seeing him race and raced him toward the end of his career. Jeremy is a great guy and always made me feel welcomed, so it never crossed my mind that I was racing my sponsor. Jeremy, Kevin, and I were the No Fear riders. I loved racing above all, but when I was behind the starting gate, nothing else mattered. I just wanted to win.

Jeremy McGrath

If you went down to their warehouse and saw the amount of stuff they had in there, you knew they were blowing up. You see the roster of athletes, you’re like, “Holy crap.” Mark McGwire alone, he was the biggest thing in baseball. No Fear did a Super Bowl commercial with me in it. I was on Suzuki and at the L.A. Coliseum. We did this shoot the week in between that one race at the Coliseum where it was really damn muddy. We did this shoot at, like, midnight at the Coliseum the week of the supercross. I still can’t believe I was down there doing that.

Jeff Surwall

I helped Kevin [Windham] with his very first Yamaha contract back when he was, like, 15. I had known him and his mom and dad forever. He was always just super talented, looked amazing on a motorcycle. The guy’s jersey would never even come untucked. Very precise. He was a big part of it and always pretty easy to work with. I’d hand Kevin knee cups. “Hey, try these.” He’d just wear them for the whole year. He’d wear the socks. I’m like, “How do you like them?” “They’re fine.”

Skip Norfolk

I am very partial to Jeremy. He got it on and off the track, and he still does. He still gets it better than anybody in the industry, I think. It was a two-way street that he embraced, and he was freaking good at it. But on the backside of things, Jeff spent a lot of time just talking about things. Not necessarily going to stores and saying, “You need to do this,” but just life conversations. All of a sudden, you kind of go, “That kind of makes a little sense maybe.” Just everything clicked. There was no question that Jeremy elevated the sport, but he was a personality that everyone could embrace and love. The fact that you had a commercial run in the quarterfinals of Wimbledon based on something that happened was damn exciting back then. There was nothing like that happening.

Travis Pastrana

I always looked up to Jeremy. He didn’t take me under his wing as much as I was kind of hoping he would. I think I scared him a little bit. My first day at his track, I ate shit—bike was wide open and I was concussed and didn’t know where I was. My arm got sucked into the back and broke my thumb. I had no skin on my arm. Jeremy had just come out of the house and saw that and he was like, “Oh, you’re going to die.” Then my first year I landed on [Broc] Sellards and [Robbie] Reynard in my first race and crashed doing an Indian Air. I think he just kind of wasn’t sure what to make of me, but I always looked up to him. Even though I eventually raced him, he was just an icon.

Jeff Surwall

The gear itself, I was amazed it took off like it did. The chest protector that we did in colors sold amazing. We did those injected plastic colors and clear and different ones with red in them. Those worked great. I don’t remember how many sold, but tons of them. Then I did a helmet that I priced at $160. I couldn’t make it fast enough. I remember the year before I sold it, we sold 53,000 helmets that year. Over 50,000 helmets. I couldn’t get the boats across the ocean fast enough. It was definitely the helmets and the chest protector. The gear and the bright colors and doing neon stuff for Travis or camo for Kevin, blues for McGrath. I think riders appreciated having something different and something special. They always seemed real appreciative of getting their input. We used to let guys pick their favorite colors and “Here’s what I want.” You get some crazy ideas, but some look really good.

Greg Theiss

Jeremy was definitely the face of No Fear, because let’s face it, he was one of the best athletes in the country at the time.

Boris Said

At that point, Jeremy just kind of took motocross to a different level, and I think he made it cool. I think before that it was a gas-station sport, and Jeremy McGrath made it cool to like motocross.

Brian Simo

Jeremy’s, one, a great guy and a great spokesman for any brand, but what you realize from being around athletes, all sorts, that there are those magic athletes in every sport, motocross included. Travis Pastrana had the same magic. It had nothing to do with how they finished. It was just something that they had.

Mark Simo

Jeremy McGrath is singlehandedly the most influential person I’ve ever met in terms of creating results around the market.

Jeff Surwall

I have one of almost everything still in some boxes in bins. There was a red-and-white and blue-and-white vented stuff we had at Daytona that Jeremy wore and Windham wore. I really liked the clean, just stripes down the arm. The gear was really simple white colors with the red and stuff, and the blue on the other set. It was vented. Those looked great. I also remember when I had the SoBe Suzuki team with Kevin and Travis, I did a neon green and neon yellow for Travis and a camo set for Kevin. Just 500 sets of each that we were going to sell on Monday. Somehow those two did the parade lap at Anaheim. I was just sitting there going, “Holy crap.” Watching them go around, pointing at each other, Travis throwing it backwards and Kevin upside-down. We sold every set by like nine in the morning Monday. I was like, I should have made 1,000 of each, but I was so afraid of buying that much of those colors. Chaparral’s Dave Damron got mad at me because I wouldn’t sell all of it to him! We split it up.

Skip Norfolk

[The Simo brothers and Surwall] were the brainchild behind everything. Every athlete is a franchise, and you would treat them that way. With Jeff’s experience and those guys, and from a business standpoint, they taught these young moto guys a lot about business. Insurances and contract negotiations and all of this stuff kind of before—this was kind of before the big agents. There was really one or two guys that were kind of doing all the big guys. These athletes were able to live and make money outside of throwing their leg over their bike. Their ability on the motorcycle allowed them to do all those things, but at some point there is going to be life after racing, and they really started looking down that path and setting their life up to be sustainable once they decide not going to race anymore.

Jeff Surwall

I don’t think anybody was expecting the gear to be as much of a success or become the driving force behind the brand. There were some gray areas in the agreement, which made it a little more difficult. The brand was going in some directions after a while that we didn’t want the gear to be, in stores and other things. It just made it more difficult because when they’d have a No Fear store, they wanted the gear, but they didn’t want to sell gear in store locations. They wanted it in dealers only. But I had motorcycle dealers getting frustrated with me. I was kind of in a difficult spot, but I didn’t know they were doing stores, so I never really said you can’t sell it in your stores, because it wasn’t even part of the stuff yet. I think the whole thing was, “Hey, gear would be cool!” “Yeah, go ahead. Do it. I’m not going to spend this kind of money.” So Jeremy and I were doing it, and it took off, then all of a sudden Mark and Brian were like, “Hey.” The difficulty was it was the focus of the brand, and I think that was tough for some people because it was not the main company’s brand. It’s hard to be a gear brand and a clothing brand and not be on exactly the same path.

Jeremy McGrath

From my perspective, don’t forget, I was riding. I was winning. I was taking a salary, but Jeff for some reason thought I should not be taking a salary. This was after three or four championships, and I’m half owner with him. So this is where Jeff and I sort of came to a head with the dispute on how the business should be run. So we just didn’t see eye to eye on that. I had invested money in the company. I was part-owner in the company. I still had quite a bit of value going, and this is where the split in the road took place when I went to THOR and Parts Unlimited. I said, “Well, look, I’m a businessman. I can’t be a business owner and a rider and not be getting paid. This is what I do for a job.” So I went and made a deal for myself at THOR and said, “Okay, Jeff, I’m going to just be business owner with you. I have to go take this deal from Parts Unlimited and THOR because I can’t keep riding and not get a salary. That’s not how it goes. That’s just not good business on my part.”

Skip Norfolk

You could see the end coming. They were in business together. I think when you look at businesses and you have partnerships, there’s more that fail than succeeded. It wasn’t peaches and cream, that’s for sure.

Jeff Surwall

It was difficult for a while there. Jeremy had some opportunities to put jerseys in Walmart with a guy from Pennsylvania who promised him the world with this company called AST. They wanted to put No Fear jerseys in Walmart with “McGrath” on them. I wasn’t allowed to put the jerseys into that channel of distribution, nor did [the Simo brothers] want to put it in Walmart either. So we said you can use the outline and all the other parts of the design, but you can’t have a name on it. They told him he can’t do it unless he has the name on it. Then he started getting frustrated because I couldn't do it, even if I wanted to. He started looking around. THOR gave him a great offer, said you can put it anywhere you want, I don’t care. You can sell it in Kmart, Walmart, Sears, whatever you feel. He decided to go that route, and I wound up buying him out.

Jeremy McGrath

So I went and did that, and when the split actually came, he didn’t think that was fair. He didn’t think that I should be doing that. So basically he said I couldn't do it. I was like, “Okay, well then you buy me out.” So then we had to go get a business appraisal. A professional comes in and says, “Your No Fear MX company is worth x amount of dollars, so here’s what half is.” And then Jeff and I had to negotiate on that half and figure out what he was going to pay me. At the end of the day, for me and No Fear, I did a lot of growing up with those guys. I was sort of raised around No Fear and the lifestyle. Even today, Jeff and I have put all that stuff behind us. I love that guy.

Jeff Surwall

Jeremy and I are good now. It was years. I was just kind of pissed about it. Like anybody, I’m like, “Hey, I did all this shit and all these agreements for you for free. Yeah, you benefitted our brand and our company and all that a lot, but I never took a cent from you in a decade.” I just saw it different. He was racing, and that’s all he knew. I get paid to do this. I’m like, I work 12 to 15 hours a day every day. I understand. And I go to the races with you, so I get it. It was just a difference of opinion at the time, which was super difficult, but now it’s okay.

Jeremy McGrath

Of course Jeff had his own ideas on how No Fear should be run, and I think Mark and Brian’s huge hearts and their huge downfall is that they let the passion get in the way of the business. They really didn’t pay attention to how much money they were spending and the future of the company. There were a few wrong turns that they made, which, we all can sit on the sidelines and kind of try and pinpoint what that was. At one point, No Fear was rivaling a company like Nike. Nike was probably, I don’t know if it was twice that big or whatever at that time, but still, to be half the size of Nike, you’re doing a good job. My story is, I have nothing but great things to say about No Fear except for they just ran it too long and ran it into the ground.

Mark Simo

In Jeff’s particular deal, I was really invested in a way where I didn’t actually own any of his enterprise or his company, but I had funded nearly all of it, or a good portion of it, and supported it. When he decided he wanted to move on, I had to take measures to preserve it. I worked to buy him out of a business that basically I owned anyway. I owned the trademark. It was funny. I made a generous, generous offer to buy him out. It was bigger than I should have paid by a lot, and I did pay him a good portion of the money. Unfortunately, not all of it. That’s on me. The downturn came, and we were unable to keep up with the balance of that.

Travis Pastrana

My dad had a falling-out with Jeff, which was odd because he really was on his side hard from the beginning. He liked people that were kind of by their word. Then something happened that I’m not really sure. I pretty much just raced at that point and didn’t know all the details. It just didn’t feel like home like it did in 2000, 2001, which was just a rad time for that company.

Mark Simo

What a lot of people don’t hear … I funded most of [No Fear MX]. No one wants to tell that part of the story. I had a tremendous amount of money coming in. I had done a license deal with Pepsi. So we were putting up a lot of the money for [Surwall’s] employees. We certainly paid all the overhead, because it was done in our facility. I wasn’t even charging royalty because he was my best friend. We went to dinner together. We traveled the world together. We were very close friends, as I was with Beaver. But at some point I think it got where he wanted to go off on his own. He and Jeremy had come up with the idea of the Alias brand, or someone did. There was a bit of an epidemic of that going on.

Jeff Surwall

I had started working on changing the name and thinking about doing it. Even back in 2000, when I trademarked Alias, which later became a gear brand, I thought of changing it to that. I saw the online sales growing. We were very proud of all of our products. They had stuff that their quality was struggling, in my opinion, or the designs were, but anything they did or I did was tied together. As they opened stores and cash flow got tighter and tighter for them, their problems became my problems, just because of guilt by association or whatever, because of the name. So it just kind of continued to grow that way. Mark was very into car racing and NASCAR. I didn’t think it did very much for the brand at all. I thought motocross was the base of the brand and the importance of it, and we can grow that part of it a lot. They thought they were going to grow it in NASCAR.

Brian Simo

Everybody wanted to squeeze a little bit more out of that deal, but it just what it was.

Jeff Surwall

It came time to either eventually change the name or they’ve got to buy the name for the trademark back. I had people wanting to buy the business from me, so I started thinking about that. There was an international distributor for No Fear. He was making shit product all over Europe and affecting our sales. He was doing roller skates and golf clubs and anything else he felt like doing. We had no control over it. I had dealers saying, “Why are you selling T-shirts for $10 when you sell them for $20? Why do you have roller skates?” So it was just becoming difficult for me to try to say we’re a great brand when we’ve got some guy making roller skates over there. It was just time to change or get control of it, and I couldn’t get control of it because I didn’t own enough of it to do anything about it. When the European guy wanted to buy it, Mark started freaking out because he knew he would do whatever the hell he wanted everywhere. So Mark decided he wanted to buy it, so we made a deal to have them buy the motocross gear from me.

Jeremy McGrath

Looking back, I would have made a few changes. I think we’d be all bazillionaires by now. But hindsight is 20/20.

Brian Simo

That’s what business teaches you as well, whether you’re a professional athlete or a businessman. If you get on a motorcycle, you will crash. You will make mistakes. With business, you’re going to find the day you wish you’d have done everything better. So hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it’s just that.

Mark Simo

Two things happened. I started getting nervous thinking this is going to be a fad, this isn’t going to last. What can we do to keep this going? Well, $100 bills became fascinating. Oakley and Nike were starting to get $100 for glasses and for shoes. I said, “I’ve got to get into one of those categories.” One of the greatest things happened when we did the Super Bowl commercial, and I got two phone calls. One from Jim Jannard [Oakley CEO] and one from Phil Knight [Nike CEO]. So I went down both paths. Nike was interested in buying the brand. I was interested in doing shoes, and I wasn’t really smart enough to think that would have been the best opportunity ever, and I didn’t do it. One of my great regrets. Jim was a pretty big influence because I really liked what Oakley was doing at the time. Jim was a real creative guy, had great ideas. He really convinced me to get into the sunglass game, but he couldn’t bring himself to do the deal directly with me because he was just a one-brand guy. We struck up a pretty good relationship. So I started Spy, basically with Greg Arnett’s help. I got into flying helicopters. I got Greg into flying helicopters. I got Stevie Wright into flying helicopters. I would fly up to Greg’s shop, and he helped me make the first three pairs of glasses. He started talking to me about making glasses and got us off the ground. Shortly after we started—one of the greatest things ever—Jeremy McGrath was an Oakley guy, and he came over to Spy, and that started a huge war between Jim Jannard and I. We stayed friendly, but it wasn’t pleasant for a while. Jeremy came over and actually invested money in Spy that helped get it started.

Brian Simo

Mark actually had, looking back, what I thought would have been a brilliant solution to a difficult problem, which was actually trying to build a business that you could at one point reap the benefits of selling or trading or taking it public. No Fear was more unique that way, and as Mark had so nicely put it, and that would probably be a brilliant thought even today, was hand the keys [to Nike] for free and be part of it forever. Tuck under their resources. Not many people think that creatively, but when you’ve spent your entire existence hunting down the next dollar to build your next product or build your next company, you realize where those words came from.

Mark Simo

Knight was interested in the brand. He didn’t need any of the staff. He didn’t need anything else. He just said, I want the brand. So I started looking at what it would take to wind out—we had a half a million square feet of manufacturers. We were the last guys to leave the country. We had screen printing and sewing and cutting. We had five buildings. I’m thinking, I’m not going to be able to unwind all this, and moreover I’m going to have to kick everybody out, and these are all the people that got us here. I don’t even think we got to dollars and cents, but in the conversation, I just couldn’t get past shutting down the business and eliminating all the people that we had amassed to build the brand. I think they were moving on Converse at the time. They were about to buy Converse. I just couldn’t move forward. I couldn’t see the wood through the trees. In retrospect I probably could have done a better job by staying with Nike. They had the resources and the capability to take it to the next level.

Rick Johnson

Boris brought them into car racing and legitimized them as car racers, and they brought Boris sponsorship with everything from the clothing to the sports drink. You had two different dynamics with Mark and Brian. John Waraniak came from General Motors and told him, “Mark, you can’t be the next Rick Mears, but you can be the next Roger Penske.” So Mark gravitated towards the management side and the owner side and wanted to fly in Learjets and wear collared shirts and all that. Brian, on the other hand, wanted to be a racer. So he didn’t give a shit about all that. Trans-Am, I think, is probably the coolest form of racing, because you’re sliding. It’s got a lot of horsepower. It’s got a lot of tire. Brian kept pursuing that and eventually drove for Roush and won a Trans-Am championship, which is unbelievable. It’s a very prestigious deal.

Brian Simo

I don’t think our racing affected the business. If I’m looking at it from a 30,000-foot view, our life balance is what made the business. The one thing that we always said at No Fear, as crazy as people thought we were, we were authentic. We were living it. We were not talking about it. We didn’t look at the athletes as something we worshipped. We looked at them as friends and competitors. Boris and I were probably archrivals the better part of our lives, as were Beaver and I, and maybe even still yet today. But what comes from that is respect and understanding, and we did always equate sports metaphors to business.

Rick Johnson

I went back east to try to be a stock car racer. I was a California guy, I’m a motorcycle racer, so what do I know, and this and that. I needed their support, and I didn’t have it. But that’s the thing with them. When you’re in front of them, they’re the sweetest, most charming guys you’ll ever meet and that. But when you’re out of sight, you’re out of mind. They didn’t give a shit.

Steve Wright

[RJ] got butt-hurt, which he has all the right, because I’ve been there and I know what Ricky did for me when I was racing for Yamaha and barely making it. We were talking about it the other day. I got picked up by Honda and my life changed because they had a real budget. I was scraping and crawling, but Ricky was always there to introduce me to his sponsors and to help. Still today, that’s his DNA. I know it wasn’t anything intentional. But then Mark put Boris in a truck, and that pissed Ricky off. It just sucked. I hear Ricky loud and clear.

Jeff Surwall

The shoe, we were making shoes, and we decided to design one. The idea around it was the mechanics would wear it. So I put a plate in the arch where you’d kick-start the bike so it doesn’t blow your shoe out, as you know how it does. The shoe had a knobby pattern just because it made it relevant to the sport. It was a good, comfortable shoe. It was freaking dangerous on aluminum box van floors and stuff. The knobby did not grip so well on aluminum. I guess I should have tested that, but we were just such a small part of the shoe business. It was a niche little product that was relevant to our sport.

Mark Simo

We went ahead and made shoes, which wasn’t really our forte. We needed a partner like Nike or somebody. We didn’t do a great job with shoes. The shoe guys, guys like DC, were coming up, and Etnies and a bunch of small brands that were focused solely on shoes. So the market started getting away from these broad collections that we all had. We were from your foot to your head and everything all seasons. Then guys started to specialize. Oakley specialized in optics, and DC specialized in shoes. You can’t be good at everything.

Skip Norfolk

I was full-on into the product development stage at that time. It all started when they were making shoes. We were all there working late one night and the shoe guys were all over there talking. They were having some problem. I don’t know if it was a mistake on my part, but it was the best thing I ever did. I was like, “You’re having this problem. Did you look at it this way?” They’re like, “You want to get on a plane and go to China and fix this?” It happened that quick.

Jeremy McGrath

They made a nac-nac shoe. I have brand-new sets of those at my house still!

Brian Simo

My impression of our footwear program, despite the fact that we did everything literally from the ground up, was a dismal failure financially. Great education. I tell the story that we were $20 million into a $50 million project before we realized how outgunned we were.

Broc Glover

At that point, No Fear was really, really growing. There were always rumors that companies like Nike were looking to buy them. Mark and Brian really had this dream of being kind of the next Nike. They wanted to be an action-sports company, obviously with skate and surf and snow and all the different things. One of the areas they were considering was golf. I was playing a lot of golf and got to know quite a bit of people in the industry. I called up Mark and Brian and said, “I’d like to just come meet with you about something.” We started discussing, and they said, “We’ve been asked many times to do golf, but we just didn’t feel like we had the right person in it. We feel like you could be the right person for it, because it’s such a different sport. It’s not motocross. It’s completely different. We don’t know much about it.” So I did a lot of research, laid out a complete business plan, and got some help from some people that I needed to, read a few books about different things. Kind of educated myself as best I could and laid out a plan to where this was going to be a slow, long-term process.

Jeff Surwall

I think it was more Broc wanted to start No Fear Golf because he was loving golf so much. He came in and I worked with those guys all the time. We were all in the same sports marketing area. It was good. We were all motocross guys. I always thought that motocross teaches you a lot. It’s like on Saturday or Sunday, whatever the race is, you’ve got to be ready whether you want to be or not. It’s not like, “We’ll get to it Monday.”

Broc Glover

One of the things I still remember during that meeting, and I can’t remember if it was Mark or Brian who said it, but they said, “Okay, this is going to be like the first time in our whole business life that we’re actually going to aim the gun before we pull the trigger.” That’s a great analogy. It’s true.

Boris Said

Even Broc Glover worked there. I remember the first day I was in awe, like, “This is Broc Glover! This is the guy!” He was like, “Hey, where can I get some paperclips?”

Rick Johnson

Broc was trying to bring in golf and some other weird stuff. Really there was a massive friction. They really didn’t like Broc, and Broc really didn’t like them. It was kind of not a deal with the devil, but just Broc is very prim and proper and clean. Everything is f--king mint. Then you have these two guys that have a ’60 Chevy with no top, because you can’t put the top up. Their house is their warehouse. There’s no carpet because the dogs have shredded everything. So it was a weird dynamic.

Broc Glover

I am an organized person in my brain. I get all that. There was a lot of sophomoric pranks going on, but I think it’s funny. I don’t go, “Those guys are morons.” It’s not really something that I necessarily involve myself in, but that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate that humor. Really, I was kind of my own; I was not micromanaged at all. I have no negative feelings about that. I was paid okay. They paid me I guess fairly for a startup guy in the company. To me, it was almost like I started my own business within a business, and that’s how they left me alone.

Jeff Surwall

I think we had a lot of success with guys in motocross because they kind of understood the timelines and what it took to get it done because you had to. Plus, you speak the same language for a lot of things.

Broc Glover

We were gradually getting some headway. We thought if we could get the junior golfers wearing it, we could get some college guys wearing it for casualwear, and we could be different than that clothing that your dad would wear. At the time a cord pant was much cooler than wearing some khakis that your dad wore, especially in tan. There were so many things that we could do. You could wear a pair of cord pants and still get on the golf course without telling them, “Hey, you can’t wear jeans out here.” The one thing more than anything that we needed was to be a golf-only brand, meaning you couldn’t buy it where you bought the T-shirts. The moment you throw it in a JC Penney or a discount-style store like that, the golf pro shops are like, “I’m not going to try to compete with a price war.”

Brian Simo

I would say that gears, oil, and golf probably were not a good mix at the time. Just being honest. Broc did bring a little color to the story. As all good people do, they do add value no matter what, whether it ends up to be the success that they had set out to.

Broc Glover

We got all ready to do it and had all the products; all the T-shirts and the hats and everything was sitting in that chain-linked area [in the warehouse]. We were just waiting for a couple more cut-and-sew items. I remember coming in Monday morning and almost three-quarters of everything in there was gone. That’s when I just went, “Are you kidding me? What happened?” So I walked straight up to Mark and Brian’s office, and I walk first into Mark’s. I said, “Mark, I just walked into the warehouse and all the golf stuff, almost everything is gone. What happened?” He didn’t even know what happened, so we walked over to Brian’s office and Brian’s like, “I’ve seen that stuff sitting there for two or three weeks or whatever, what the hell. So I sold it.” So much for the business plan! They sold it off to the JC Penney. So basically everything I’d ever promised every pro shop, everything I’d ever promised any person in the industry I spoke to, everything I’d ever said, all my work was now gone. They couldn’t trust me anymore because I just lied to them….

Brian Simo

We’d never try to limit anybody’s success, financially or any other way. We all tried to foster success, and if it wasn’t successful, those are the hard knocks in life. I don’t see anybody one more successful than the other, but certainly different. Broc’s passion at that time was golf. There were other people that were involved in cycling and other aspects of sports as we experimented our way through business. That’s all we ever did. We experimented with everything.

Broc Glover

So I’ve known Marty and used to race against him since I was an amateur kid. I just knew him. He was a hard charger all the time. He was very aggressive in many ways. When he worked at No Fear, he learned a lot, just trial and error and going in there. I think Marty’s main focus was basically trademark rights and that kind of thing. He spent a lot of time and effort protecting the name and the brand. It’s not hard to go buy a T-shirt at JC Penney and turn around and copy it and then sell it at every swap meet in Southern California. He had to go after, aggressively, the trademark protection and things like that. He did a lot.

Unfortunately, I think with what happens to a lot of people, he put up with a lot of pain from a lot of old injuries for years and years and years. I don’t know his medical history, if there could have been something more done with better doctors—I have no idea. I know he had a lot of pain, and I know he took a lot of medications to try to relieve it. I don’t know if he was just tired of being in pain his whole life or what the deal was. It was sad for everybody.

Boris Said

Me and Marty were close. I felt like my racing career mirrored his, where I was always the underdog privateer. That’s kind of how my racing career has been. When I moved out, we lived next door to each other. Every time I rode, I rode with Marty. I went to Mexico with him. We rode at Carlsbad together. He was just the best guy. I’ll never forget that when he did that, I was in North Carolina. He was the last guy in a million years I ever thought would do something like that, still to this day. I think he was in a lot of pain. He was abusing painkillers a little bit. I know that weekend he was in Mexico riding with Danny LaPorte and Donny Emler. I kind of think that maybe he got the wrong batch of whatever he buys down there or something, and he got in a fight and he was drinking. I don’t think he was in his right mind when he did it. There’s just no way. He just wouldn’t do that. Just a big void. He was the greatest guy. In my office today, I still have a big picture of him crossing the line at Carlsbad getting the checkers.

David Bailey

I was already gone from there for a while, so I wasn’t aware of really how things were going. It was just a shock, like it is for anybody. I have a tendency to be too honest and share too much, maybe, if anything, partially because I’ve been there myself. I had tough times. So it hit me a little bit harder in terms of my perspective to it. I was super sad. But I do remember a lot of the good things and the fact that if it weren’t for Marty I wouldn’t have been there. When I was doing really bad and they had a fundraiser for me, it was Marty, through maybe FMF or something at the time, that was printing the T-shirts for that and always helping out. I remember being back there and getting Cycle News and finding out that he won the USGP, and I’m just like, “Are you kidding me? What?” Marty was good, but that was just like, wow. Just couldn’t believe it. So Marty had a big influence on the sport, at No Fear, and in my life as well. I just try to hold that dear.

Greg Theiss

Marty was great. We had lots of fun. We’d just dish shit back and forth all the time. The year in ’79 when we were doing Trans-Am, we were just feeding crap back and forth. We had one of the most massive food fights from Chicago to High Point Raceway in Pennsylvania that it went on for the whole trip almost. We were stopping and buying supplies. That got totally out of hand.

Jeremy McGrath

At the end, when all that shit went down and he took his own life, I didn’t fully understand the depth of pain he might have been in or any of that stuff.

Jeff Surwall

That was huge. Marty was a great guy…. I would have believed Marty would have shot someone before he shot himself.

Brian Simo

You always thought Marty would be the one with his crazy laugh that was going to get through it all, no matter what. To hear that he took his life was and still is very hard to hear.

Boris Said

Those guys, they’re twins. I would go in there when they were yelling at each other and try to break up a fight, and punches would be swinging. We’d roll out on the floor fighting and yelling at each other. Everybody in the building would be just scared shitless. Then five minutes later it would be like, “Hey, let’s go to lunch.” “Okay, let’s go.”

Skip Norfolk

The thing I remember about Brian the most is Brian was like, “We need to make a different hat. The hat’s been the same for freaking forever. We need a new hat. There’s got to be something we can do.” He was always looking for the next product, the next thing, pushing the envelope as hard as you can. Mark, on the other side, was like—I never will forget, we were standing up there in the office and he brings the entire sales group out into the warehouse. He’s just saying, “Look at this warehouse. Look at all the product on the shelves. You guys can sell all of this. I’m not telling you that you can’t. So go sell all of it. You guys have the run.” Then these guys would bark back about, “We’re out of this, or we’re out of that.” He’s going, “We’ve got diamonds out here. You just keep covering them up with shit. Go to work. Sell, sell, sell.” He goes, “I don’t need your help to sell diamonds. They sell themselves.” He’d walk around with a baseball bat. He would just come in and hang out and he would just sit down leaning against your desk like, “What’s going on?” It was so much fun.

David Bailey

It was hard to tell them apart. Mark was probably the one that had just a tad more structure. Brian was a little bit more, like, “Whatever it takes.” So he could react real quick. Between the two of them, Mark was able to do one thing really well, and Brian was able to do another thing really well, and the two would be able to attract the right team so that they could sell an unbelievable amount of T-shirts.

Greg Theiss

They were great friends. We talk still every other week, or at least Mark and I do. Brian and I don’t talk as often. Mark, he’s a business starter. He’s a deal guy. He’s working on his new deal right now, and it’s amazing watching this go. He does a lot of what I would say maybe sitting back, squinting his eyes, looking at things, kind of going, “What do I do? What’s my next move here? How do I make this work?”

Jeff Theodosakis

Mark is definitely more analytical. We’d waterski, and we’d be skiing the course. Brian had more brawn and balls and more aggressiveness, but Mark was more of a technician. Mark was more thoughtful about his approach, possibly a better communicator.

Rick Johnson

We joked that Brian would run up and kiss a girl before he knows her name, and Mark would rub all the fur off the back of her jacket romancing her…. My attraction to the whole thing from the Bad Boy Club originally with Mark and Brian and Beaver was the boys’ club that I always wanted—when you’re a little kid and you’re in elementary school and you have best friends that will fight for you. We’d been in a couple little bar scraps and stuff like that. Nothing terrible. But there was no hesitation. You mess with my friend, you mess with me.

Jeremy McGrath

I was a little closer to Mark than I was to Brian. Brian was a little bit more business. Brian was in charge of securities and fraud at No Fear, so he was always a little harder to get to know. But awesome guy. Then Mark was just an A+ dude. Just so nice.

Mark Simo

We’re twins. I never spend a day of my life not being with him. We’re identical in size and stature, and as competitive as each other was … we’d fistfight in the office. People are looking at us like, “I can’t believe these guys are fistfighting right here in the sales office.” That’s just how it went. We realized one day after we had a pretty good one that people were looking at us just stunned. They didn’t quite understand it. We came to an agreement that we would take it outside or we would just settle it calmly rather than doing the old standby, which was just fight until you’re tired and determine the winner after. So the thing that we found was, we’re ultra-competitive with each other, which pushed us really hard, but we couldn’t occupy the same place at the same time. So he sort of took one half of the world and I took the other half. We were collectively good working together, just not in the same room.

Brian Simo

Twinship is a very powerful tool, which I don’t think people always understand. I think we were both the beneficiaries of that. Mark has a brilliant business mind. Always has. But for everything he thought, somebody had to do and execute. I think I spent the better part of my time doing. I always used to laugh about the management meetings that I got sick of attending and rarely ever attended, simply because they were simply talking about what I was doing anyway, so I might as well be out working.

Mark Simo

So I think our skill was we could engage people and bring them into the story and make it fun. I think a lot of our next opportunities came probably because of that. It was an attitude. It was a lifestyle.

Brian Simo

Businesses have a tendency to take their toll on friends, family, and partners, in almost every case, which back to the twinship makes that a little bit more unique. The only way to explain it is on the way up everybody loves you, and on the way down nobody knows you. So a lot of people who were disgruntled with what they either did get or didn’t get or received or didn’t receive, the one thing that was crystal clear that you learn in business is the ride up is way sweeter than the ride down. What you realize on the way down, the people you appreciate are the ones that are still standing there, picking up the pieces and getting on to the next day, which was a lot of our days at work.

Skip Norfolk

Probably the downside to all of it was when it showed up on South Park. There was a big Oakley sticker and a big No Fear sticker in the back of a pickup truck driving around in South Park. It was huge. That’s when the whole “big stickers on the back of the pickup trucks” were fads. That probably created the biggest controversy from a branding standpoint, because in a way it was kind of a spoof on it.

Paul Tracy

It’s just one of those things where it grew like any type of fad action wear. It starts kind of ground level and it’s super cool and everybody wants to have it. Then once all the cool people have it, then everybody wants it. Then it grows out of control, and then it becomes everybody’s got it and it’s not cool anymore. That’s how it goes.

Skip Norfolk

You had the energy-drink that was kind of going crazy. We sponsored some NASCAR races. We were title sponsor for the truck series race in Fontana. We had a lot of stuff happening with the energy drink and in motorsports. There was a lot going on. Clearly, as you build your foundation, you start to build this massive building. I think the easiest way to look at it is some of the maintenance on the foundation failed to take place and things kind of started falling apart.

Broc Glover

JC Penney moved a lot of volume, but when your parents and your mom are buying stuff at JC Penney, that brand loses its cool. I’ve seen it happen a lot in different companies in the world, but I totally remember when Oakley first started kind of getting big. I remember them talking about the moment you started seeing those great big factory pilot stickers across the top of the windshields, the moment you started seeing the moms in the minivans driving around Mission Viejo wearing a pair of Oakley Blades with the factory pilot sicker across the top of her windshield. The moment you started seeing that around Mission Viejo, you knew that brand was gone.

Jeff Surwall

They weren’t even in Penney’s when I was doing gear. They were already out of there. They have a bad image, but Target is a cool store now. You can make it what you want it to be. At the same time they were in Penney’s when I was a sales manager, we were in Macy’s and Nordstrom’s and all the other stores too. If it was so bad, why is Nordstrom carrying it, or all the local shops?

Jeff Theodosakis

The things they were doing in their marketing and branding were unprecedented. Between the big sports stuff and the motocross, they were just killing it. But on the other end, they were printing a million T-shirts a month with sayings that started to become a little bit redneck, a little bit crass, and started to attract that consumer that was a little bit downstream of where they wanted to be. And you kind of can’t go upstream once that consumer becomes the majority of your business. It’s kind of hard to get out of that tailspin.

Jeff Surwall

It was tough because their sales were flat, if not going down. The gear was still going up. They didn’t want to hear what I think was wrong. We’re growing, you’re streaking, and here’s why. In their defense, in some of it, they had some deals they couldn't change. They needed the money, so they made some shitty deals. I just didn’t want to have that anchor anymore. It had come to a point where it was time to do something. That was Jeremy, too, in our thing. He said, “Let’s just change the name and we’ll put it on the jersey.” I didn’t want to put a new brand in Walmart either. So it was like, that deal is not a good deal anyway. That was the second part of the same problem, but I wasn’t going to make the same problem.

Brian Simo

The funny thing about No Fear is No Fear grew very, very fast. We started in a parking lot $2 million in debt and ended up, within four years—we had given ourselves five without even a plan, as we walked away from Life’s a Beach and Bad Boy Club—we ended up standing in the parking lot within four years of doing $130 million in revenue, in four years. So you can imagine how feverish the growth was. You’d have to write a book on how you grow with no resources. We didn’t have the money. We didn’t have the capital. We didn’t have the intellectual capital, but we got it done.

Jeff Theodosakis

I’ve got two daughters now, 20 and 24, and they’ve got their leather Bad Boy jackets, and they’re the shit with those things. The kids that generation, it’s a generation-skipping thing. So now the young ones that see it, I told them, you should have brought a handful of Life’s a Beach things to Japan. They’re there now for a week. It’s a cult thing over there. I’ve had collectors call me and guys that just go nuts for this stuff. It’s just crazy what they know. I’m with this one collector and he’s looking at the labels and he goes, “This was ’87, when you guys switched from the printed to the woven labels.” Like, stuff I don’t even know.

Boris Said

When they were broke when they just started it, you’d go to dinner and ten credit cards wouldn’t pay for a $200 meal and finally get one that worked. They weren’t any different when they were doing the $150 million a year in sales. They were the same two idiots, and they had the same kind of fun. We’d ride in a jet or we’d eat at great restaurants. We weren’t sharing five people in one hotel room. That was the only thing that was different…. Until the end, Mark never wanted to lay anybody off. He just kept thinking he was going to save it and the economy was going to come back.

Jeremy McGrath

I learned lessons from those guys that I wouldn’t have learned anywhere else. The nineties for me was amazing. Part of that was that No Fear experience. For me, it’s like, some stuff went sideways along the way with some of your friendships—mostly probably with Jeff and some of that stuff. But at the end of the day, those guys are rad guys. We all had a lot of fun.

Brian Simo

Motocross is our roots. That struggle and fight … we were not Harvard grads. We were moto guys that tried to understand the culture of people and serve them and expand on it. We did link sports together. What No Fear was most, I think probably what we should have been known for, was linking all the different sports together, between surf and snow and skate and moto. We were instrumental in bringing Rallycross to the X Games when we brought Colin McRae over. So we were part of that transition. As we left two wheels for four wheels, that pursuit never ended.

Skip Norfolk

All I remember is the fun things. The things that didn’t go right or the things that did go wrong, it’s unfortunate, but in my memory, it’s irrelevant. Those guys were incredible. I think they were absolutely brilliant, both from a creativity standpoint and a business standpoint.

Mark Simo

So many more people have come back around. I think people are beginning to remember the really, really good times, and the sting of some of the tough times at the end aren’t quite as rough as they were. I think most people that went through that place think, “I’ve never seen anything like it since.” A lot of people might say that.

Brian Simo

What we got to really realize, stepping back, the entire industry that we were party to is gone. It’s not a little gone. It’s gone. If you look at the legacy and the country club of people we sat with—the Quicksilvers, the Billabongs—we brought the gears and oil to the action-sports industry. Although industries change and move on, the industry is gone. So no matter what we would have done, our ride was coming to an end.