Cairoli, Herlings Win in France
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MX1 Overall
1. Antonio Cairoli
2. Gautier Paulin
3. Clement Desalle
4. Tommy Searle
5. Jeremy van Horebeek
6. Ken de Dycker
7. Kevin Strijbos
8. Davide Guarneri
9. Xavier Boog
10. Evgeny Bobryshev
11. Max Nagl
12. Rui Goncalves
13. David Philippaerts
14. Nicolas Aubin
15. Joel Roelants
MX2 Overall
1. Jeffrey Herlings
2. Dylan Ferrandis
3. Christophe Charlier
4. Alexander Tonkov
5. Jake Nicholis
6. Jordi Tixier
7. Jose Butron
8. Glenn Coldenhoff
9. Petar Petrov
10. Max Anstie
11. Maxime Desprey
12. Jason Clemont
13. Dean Ferris
14. Alessandro Lupino
15. Harri Kullas
1. Antonio Cairoli
2. Gautier Paulin
3. Clement Desalle
4. Tommy Searle
5. Jeremy van Horebeek
6. Ken de Dycker
7. Kevin Strijbos
8. Davide Guarneri
9. Xavier Boog
10. Evgeny Bobryshev
11. Max Nagl
12. Rui Goncalves
13. David Philippaerts
14. Nicolas Aubin
15. Joel Roelants
MX2 Overall
1. Jeffrey Herlings
2. Dylan Ferrandis
3. Christophe Charlier
4. Alexander Tonkov
5. Jake Nicholis
6. Jordi Tixier
7. Jose Butron
8. Glenn Coldenhoff
9. Petar Petrov
10. Max Anstie
11. Maxime Desprey
12. Jason Clemont
13. Dean Ferris
14. Alessandro Lupino
15. Harri Kullas
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Looks like out 2 race National guests Desalle and Strijbos went 3rd and 7th overall. Little better than the overalls they had here. Cairoli consistently wins in front of them.
Which leads me to the question. Would Cairoli have anything for Villopoto in a series(not one race) in the U.S. Would Villipoto have anything for Cairoli in the GP circuit. Will we ever know?
either way round it would be great to see
CZrider
GP riders like Desalle and Strijbos, are going to be a bit better on the GP circuit because they're more comfortable with it. The same is true in regards to the National riders on the National circuit.
AC wouldn't beat RV for a National title imo (probably not RD either). But those guys probably wouldn't be able to beat Tony for a GP title. Tracks, format etc; just too different. However after one or two yrs of adjustment.... perhaps a different matter. Would be great to see more of it.
For the two GP riders.. The Muddy Creek track there isnt any excuse, not that they need one.. The track was unfamiliar to everyone, it was brand new.. Cairoli is a very good rider, but the only time he has beaten even Dungey was the sand box in Lommel, any other time, Dungey has handles him fairly well,,much less Cairoli trying to best RV.. I think RV is the fastest guy in the world right now, with Dungey second.. Dungeys record against Cairoli supports this.. But to see them all racing the same series together would be fun.. Desalle also, I like him alot too..
I would say Caroli would do well against RV and RD in any series. But in reality, should all GP and National riders race in same World MX or National series, RV and RD would be 1 and 2 except in the deep sand events where Caroli and Herrlings are probably the best in the World (still like to see RV up against them though).
I do believe though that RV or RD would win a World MX series in their first year if they choose to race that series against Cairoli.
Lastly, please also keep in mind US riders only train/race MX half the year while most GP riders do nothing but train and race MX.....
The plain ignorance on here is unbelievable.
Toni Ciarolli and Paulin would give the two Ryans a good fight just about anywhere and on any surface.
In the GP today, Paulin set the fastest lap on his last tour (lap 20) in the first race, beating Toni by little over 2 seconds. That takes some doing.
This years nations will be a great spectacle as Toni, Paulin, Desalle, Roczen and Herlings will all line up against the two Ryans (assuming they all get through this season injury free), on a circuit which won't favor anyone. I believe Toni will answer his critics in no uncertain manner.
BTW, he didn't only beat Dungey in Lommel. He damn near lapped him, and in doing so, totally out classed him. If you honestly believe the result would be radically different on hard pack, you are smoking some grade A weed.
Come on you yankie doodle dandies, give your heads a shake.
@EuroMike--Your biased manner and ignorance always amazes me.. Dungey has already beat Cairoli on "hardpack, a few times.. remember Thunder Valley?? Even Short beat Cairoli one moto..So why do you now thing the result would be any different?? Dungey completely outclassed Cairoli in thunder valley.. So why would it be different now.. C',mon Eurotrash, get with reality.. Desalle finished 6th in the Nationals, 3rd in the GP's seems about right to me..
As a proud Euro--I am constantly embarressed by this "EuroMike" clown on here.. I want all the US fans to know he does not represent how all European fans feel.. I am a very big fan of the GP's.. But I am smart enough to see how big a mess they are.. And all us fans are paying for it.. Loungo has ruined the series, we are having problems filling the gates at races, no payouts, very expensive sign ups and everything.. But we do have some fast guys.. I do feel Cairoli is on par with some US riders, but I have seen him race Dungey, while he beat him at Lommel, I am smart enough to admit it is kind of an one-off track.. If you havent raced it, you do not have a chance against guys who have raced it their whole careers.. But Dungey has easily bested Cairoli more times than not.. Dungey has beaten him every time until Lommel.. And Dungey cant touch RV.. So that tells me Cairoli is smart to stay in the GP's.. Paulin cant beat Cairoli, so it tells me the two Ryans are the fastest guys out there right now.. It is not an insult to Cairoli or Paulin, just that those two are very good.. I am not a bigot like EuroMike, we arent like that here, trust me.. I dont know where he is really from, he is too much a coward to tell the truth.. He has said Irish once, but I think he is making it all up..
Well...I guess we'll see this year at MXdN Euro-Trash. I mean, Euro-Mike.
And, where the heck is your all-time biggest loser...Christophe POOR-Cel?
Freaking wee-ner...!!!
Up until last year, almost every MXDN was a mild disaster for Tony in one way or another. For a rider so consistently solid throughout the rest of the year his MXDN results left many of us bewildered. Needless to say I was very happy to see him back on form (or rather just avoiding freak disaster for once) last year. Putting aside the moto tally for one second, on the few occasions they've met, both riders (RD and AC) have run a very equal pace. How they match up now in 2013 remains to be seen but I wouldn't bet against Tony in Germany. RV will be tougher but... well see.
Desalle is a top 3 threat in the GPs and was a top 5 threat in the Nationals. In other words a couple of positions worse off, which is what pretty much everyone predicted beforehand given the adjustment of bikes, unfamiliar style tracks and an alien format - to their credit many of RacerX's own articles acknowledge that. He completely lived up to expectations.
A couple more rds and I almost guarantee Clement would've been a podium contender. Both riders could've also done with better starts - though admittedly that's their own fault. Kevin didn't start well today either (14th I think) and could only move up to 11th. In the 2nd moto he was top 5 before getting pushed back to 8th. So again, similar performance from last week due to similar competition.
@Theman (the name says it all LOL) Do me a favour chickenshit, save your embarressment for yourself. I neither want or need anyone to feel "embarressed" fon my behalf.
What do you mean "WE" are not like that here. You got a canery in your pocket boy? I'm not part of your WE. I'm me, and my opinion is mine, no one else's. I don't form we opinions, dickhead.
Try to separate yourself from the herd, you goddamn sheep. Baaaaaaaaah LOL
@ Theman, you just made a lot of friends on this forum! Even though most of us know Eurokok or Pipemike, which ever name he is going by, is not representation of the majority. We also know, a lot of what he posts, has only the purpose of pissing people off, eliciting argument or making personal attacks. It is nice to hear him singled out from the other side also.
But then again he would not have it any other way. Stand out in the crowd anyway you can right Mikey?
EuroMike has just shown one of his true colors by his spelling "favour".. English for sure.. Secondly I do not expect him to be embarressed because he isnt smart enough.. He doesnt realize he just creates animosity towards the riders he feels are the best.. Now nobody wants to cheer for them because of him.. He is a coward, as proven by his response, typical of guys who spout off on a forum such as this.. But "we" GP fans are not all like this tool... we appreciate good racing from riders from either side of the pond, like the US fans do.. I dont feel loyalty just because a rider is from "Europe" EuroMike acts as if Europe is one Natiion, typical of a bigot.. he is just cheering for anyone except the USA... Trust me, the rest of the GP fans are not hateful like him..
Did anyone see that crowd when Gautier passed Tony?! They went nuts. And the crowd was massive. Such a great race in the MX1 and 2. Ferrandis rode great pushing Herlings.
As an Aussie, I believe I'm pretty un-bias in this argument. I agree with mbmoto, TC222 and GP21 would beat the Ryans in Europe (for a championship, at least in the first year). And the Ryans would beat them in the US. It's really hard to judge off 1 race in the year. Can't wait to see some great racing in Germany this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Roczen beat TC, GP, Rv or RD in at least one moto.
I think there is some truth to what Euromike said. Can anyone deny KRoc and MM are putting it to our fastest 250 guys now they have a season under their belts?
Rv and RD are the fastest no question.
But Without RV and RD the USA are a 5th to 10th place team at best.
5th to 10th place without RV and RD would be tough to see. IMO, USA could most likely line up any combo of Barcia, Tomac, Stewart, Canard, Alessi , or Bagget and finish top 3 in overall points.
@Thegirl. save it for your boyfriend, sucker. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. Simple.
Always surprises me how ridiculous these debates become. The fact is Cairoli Paulin, even the goon Dedycker are on a par with RV and RD, Desalle was second quickest in qualifying twice in his AMA holiday, so the speed is there despite the format being only 2 x 10 minute practices against the two day format of the GP's with free practice and qualifying.
The fact is instead of RV and RD battling it out you would have the prospect of four or five great riders battling for the championship and no one would run away with it. It would be the closest run championship anyone would see.
So 8 round AMA championship, 8 round european championship, top 16 of both into end of season 6 round World Championship 3 rounds in US, 3 rounds in Europe.
Debate ended, a true World Champion crowned.
I would like to point out that Desalle and Strijbos were riding production bikes using their suspension while on their little vacation here.They have full on wroks Suzukies in the GPs.I'm sure those bikes are years ahead of what they had here.Ask 2011 RV if a better bike can make a difference.In 2011 RV went from zere to super here in one race after getting the 2012.Point is the bikes they were riding made a difference.
motoux- yea and rv would win your "True World Champion" debate...only chance rv doesnt win, is if he gets hurt. and if RV gets hurt, don't worry because we have RD, who would be the next best rider, and although slower, more dependable, we'd still win. Unless both guys get hurt. Then Cairoli might have a chance. But we've still got barcia, tomac, stewart, canard, millsaps (everybody's forgot about him?), baguette, etc. And any of them still have the ability to beat Cairoli.
i am a european guy and i support guys from europe but i think noone in the world right now can beat vilopoto in an normal track(not in a sandy track)...he is from another planet this year...in mx2 marvin is showing what a european can do with his unbelieveable technique....i wish he will take the ama title which marvelous pourcel lost in a very unfair way in 09....
I think the one smoking that grade A weed is whoever thinks that anyone could beat RV straight up.. without a crash or last place start haha
2fourty8 and all you Yankee doodle dandies, Blinded by the light, in that case no one could beat Herlings anywhere in the universe. Villopoto couldn't beat Cairoli at Matterley Basin, in fact not one yank won a race, they may have won the des nations but they didn't win a race, Stewart didn't, villopoto didn't. What are your excuses for that. And if RV has improved since then so has Cairoli by the same argument.
You need to get some perspective. We watch the Simpsons and Family Guy, we know a bit about you Yanks.
Order of prestige:
1) American Motocross
2) Canadian Motocross
3) GP motocross
Motoxuk , funny I just had to get a new medical card, 20-10 vision an I can clearly see RV is the fastest guy that races a dirtbike right now. I guess well have to wait an see, but from what I can see...haha I like Cairoli an Herlings but i just don't SEE it. But what do you care were just a bunch a damn Yankee doodle dandies!
Hahaha Canadian motocross, shows you guys have a sense of humour. Although they are British, so by default kind of European.
2fourty8, sorry I know I was at Matterley Basin and saw RV get smoked pretty badly by Cairoli and Stewart looked pretty ordinary when he was in his prime. I was also at Donington Park when I saw Stewart get lapped. STEWART WAS LAPPED. At the same race when Reed was top AMA rider he got about 20th for Australia.
You need a bit of perspective. At our local race Sunday some guy rolled up and lapped up to 3rd in the expert race, I swear he was quicker that RV!!!!! no one could touch him and he was on a 5 year old 250cc 2 stroke suzuki. He had to be the quickest rider on a motocross bike this year ever, in the whole wide world and beyond..... and then America, honest.
There was this guy in my neighborhood who rode a Suzuki TS185 and he was the fastest guy I have ever seen. He had this style where he would throw his knee out, away from the bike when he would shift... I can still see it now.
So RV isn't the fastest on the planet then, we can name two who are already
What a joke these Euros are on here. I really enjoy watching Musquin
who's style is unbeatable, but if people think Cairolli could bar bang a series
with our top guys, you must be the one smoking crack. You bump any of
the top Euros and they will $hit their pants. Even Musquin's girl says in one
of the video's that he WAS World champion, but it meant nothing HERE.
You are on crack dude, you need to take it easy, that stuff is dangerous
Musquins girl was right, Being world champion means nothing in the US because you are a bunch of disrespectful insestious hill billies who thinks the world revolves around you, to the rest of the world it means everything.
If the Mx world championship's are worth nothing why is Roczen currently leading the Lites Mx class this season and won the Lites sx title? And Marv is close to Tomac for 2nd?
Cairoli has mad skills and is on par with RV and RD and people that say that Barcia, Bagget and other top US riders can beat him, your way off.
How about Decotis and how he is doing over there? Nothing. Of course he is not used to the bike or being on the other side of the pond, and of course he isn't half the talent of the top US riders...but man he's got skills and getting smoked...all the time.
I love Mx whether its US or EU and get a kick out of those that actually get heated with their remarks with US vs EU. Kind of sad actually...
Please don't hate us: you made a mistake , GP's are fourth, third is the champinship that has place in your backyard.
Everytime there is a GP report one can read the same crap over and over, always from the same "smart" people. Get a job instead
WOW!
There are some pretty insecure Euro's on this site that have to resort to name calling and trash talking. Lots of keyboard warriors...
Over the past 15 years, how many times has the US won the MX Des Nations. 11, 12...im not sure. And I think 20 overall.
my point is simple. On tracks all over the world, the US has DOMINATED!
I have huge respect for Cairoli, I think he has 5 MX1 world Championships, correct me if im wrong. But many of the top MX2 riders come to the US to ride, and that waters down the world championship.
Here it is, the real keyboard warrior.
How big is the USA? Italy is smaller than California, are you proud of beating it?
And then you tallk about trash talking
I have seen one thing on here for sure.. EuroMike and motoxuk are the same person, that is for sure.. It has to be true, because I havent seen or met two idiot cowards like him in my entire life living in 4 different countries in Europe.. He is but one tool, they are the same guy.. Disrespectful bigoted idiot..
@motoxuk--quit making up lies.. EuroMike already tried a bunch of lies and BS with Musquin, and Musquin himself came here and told EuroMike(YOU) off..And I would hope that Musquin would FINALLY get his act together in the 250 class, considering he is the same almost exact age as Dungey, who already has 2 MXON titles and 2 National titles on the 450.. and MM is STILL a 250 rider.. He needs to try and catch up...
@All guys argueing for our Euro GP riders on here.. We really dont have much of an arguement so far, since our last several World Champs in the 250 class besides Herlings has gone to the USA and NONE of them could win a title.. All the way back to Rattrey, including Pourcel, Musquin and Roczen, not counting Searle, who couldnt do anything there, and is running great here in the GP's.. 4 former title winning gone over, and none has won yet.. We might get 1 in the last 5 seasons, not very good..
Weird warrior is right.. What if our former Champs would stay in Europe?? We would have Rattrey, Musquin, Roczen, Byrne Townley both would have stayed.. How would our GP's look?? How many titles would Cairoli have?? Face it, they leave to go to a prestigeous championship that Loungo is not ruining.. it is the truth, it is a stronger series right now.. You guys know it and cant stand it..
@EuroMike--Herlings still won that race because anybody besides him who is fast is in the USA right now.. I saw the race dummy.. Herlings is racing alone, the MX2 class is the weakest I have ever seen, its sad, like you..
i think RV is the best rider in the USA and Herlings is the fastest guy in Europe. Tony Cairoli don t want Herlings in the same Factory 450 team next year and Tony is the man at ktm so maybe herlings wil ride for the 250 team of stefan everts on a 350 or 450 ktm but maybe they change the rules and than herlings can do one more year mx2 for ktm everts team
@Thewoman. I would never disrespect any US rider who has the balls to take on Europes finest, but when Jimmy D comes back home, why don't you ask him to educate you, so that the next time you run your mouth off you might know what you are talking about. He's managed one point since he's been here, and he's riding a full works Kawasaki. You really don't have a clue, do you birdbrain?
Herlings would wipe the floor with America' finest. At the nations he whipped RV´s butt as a 16 year old having his first ride on a 350 KTM. What ya say to that then? You were probably doped up at the time and missed it, but look it up.LOL.
Oh, one last thing, I'm Euromike, not the other guy. Get it?
@EuroMike/childishnamecallingclown--- I cant ask Jimmy Decotis nothing when he goes home. I am in Europe.. and if I remember reading correctly, Jimmy Decotis wasnt even a top 20 guy in the USA, its why he is in the GP's, he couldnt secure a decent ride in the USA.. I think he finished 25th in points in the USA Nationals.. So get your hate straight.. , have some class too.. You are making all Euro's look like hateful idiots..
Back in the 1970's we used to have the Inter-Am and Trans-Am series that had the best European riders come to the US for a few weeks to race against our best...It was a great series and the European riders were always fast, friendly and the races were exciting...Wish we had a similar series today to put all of this bench racing to rest...
I thing RV would have no problem beating AC hands downs. Reedy beat him not so long after his horrific millville crash. That said, AC will put up a good fight for sure and the next MXON will be a fun one.
The US guys will be shocked when they entering this years MXON!
Teutschenthal is like a big bowl and it will we over filled by screaming crazy over fence hanging fans, chainsaws etc.
Not like the stupid airhornes over in the US and half the fans sitting on their fat asses drinking lite beer.
Teutschenthal will burn like hell and the guys will piss their pants.
I think we will see a lot of crashes like last year from the US guys.
Cairoli and Herlings will show the world how fast they are.
@real mof*ck
AC beat RD in the 2009 MXON by a mile
I Think RV is the greatest MX rider since RC! RV is in a different league when he's 100% healthy and winning,gaining confidence etc! RV,RD,Tomac will be a very good team this year in Germany! But Ken Roczen will be insanely fast in front of his homefans! I think it would be a great race between Dungey and Antonio, but RV will be long gone!
@Racer94/childish idiot---Yes he did, it was also Dungeys first EVER race on a 450 in his career.. What happened at the next Cairoli/Dungey race?? Dungey beat him both motos, back to back, even Short beat Cairoli, and neither of them can touch RV. So that tells me RV is faster than Tony.. Nothing against AC, he is very good, I never said he wasnt.. Just the Euro fans who are haters of American keep saying AC is faster than RV.. And AC cant beat Dungey most of the time, much less RV..
@Racewr/chilish idiot--You do realize AC and Herlings will race for different countries right?? Idiot..Typical hater, anybody except the USA..
Some people need to get real,Cairoli would be a threat if he tried the series on the other side of the planet,same as the 2 Ryans would here,they're the top 3 right now,Roczen and Musquin are showing how good the GP guys can be now they've adjusted,it would be the same for the top Americans,Tomac and Baggett if they came here,I'd expect them to need time to adjust,so what's the diferrence??
Osbourne couldn't get anywhere near Herlings pace,and on an awesome ride too,but now he's beating ALL these guys on home soil
The USA team will always be favourites in the MXdN format,the whole MX infrastructure and Amateur programs are way superior than any European country's it's tough to build like that over here,with a large country,huge MX participation (compared to any other place) and everything spread across one area with kids going from Lorretta's etc and up through the ranks you can see why the AMA National series has lot's of good American riders,and with a crook like GL running the GP's they can afford to pay for the many top riders in our feeder series to race over there,and generally they all do very well.I'd love to see RV come do the GP's as he's mentioned,but with places like Lommel.Leirop etc on the circuit,he'll have his work cut out,especially when Herlings moves up
As I've said before I love both series,they are both a different animal,aside from RV,RV and AC,there's nothing really between the rest of the top 10 or so,Desalle and Strijbos basically proved that,they would always be up against it flying over to do a couple of races on borrowed stuff apart from suspension,and you'd expect their results to be a little worse,which on the whole they mostly were
In my opinion, I don´t care about who's the best or fastest, lets see in recent years:
Carmichael "goat take Everts in is home soil, then Everts "The King", takes Stewart "fast man on planet", then Villopoto in a 250F, give a ride lesson in everybody, then Cairolli spank the rest last year... conclusion: those guys are the best of the best! Everybody have good and bad days, but they all are great!!
About combine series or GP's, it´s a great ideia, but let´s see, the last US GP, how much us riders have balls to show up? Mexico and Thailand dont have riders to compete and the us riders are to busy doing... what? preparation for ama nationals? In my opinion do a GP in home soil it´s a great preparation!