Anyone still think Cairoli would not do well over here??

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Only the people who don't have a clue what they're talking about.

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I'd guess Cairoli thinks he wouldn't do well here, or he'd have come here, just like most of the other top riders. I'd be interested to know how far back Roczen was in moto 2. And congrats to Zach on his 2nd overall...Geico guy next year.

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Cairoli might do alright here, but I dont think he would win at all.. He would not beat Dungey, or Reed or Stewart or RV1,, So he probably would have to have a great day to podium.. But he wont come here full time anyway.. So he must have his reasons..

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MX1 Race 1
1. Antonio Cairoli (ITA, KTM), 40:20.857
2. Clement Desalle (BEL, Suzuki), +0:04.984
3. Ken Roczen (GER, KTM), +0:23.134
4. Gautier Paulin (FRA, Kawasaki), +0:29.686
5. Ken de Dycker (BEL, KTM), +0:33.895

MX1 Race 2
1. Antonio Cairoli (ITA, KTM), 40:24.135
2. Ken Roczen (GER, KTM), +0:04.862
3. Maximilian Nagl (GER, KTM), +0:07.977
4. Clement Desalle (BEL, Suzuki), +0:10.607
5. Gautier Paulin (FRA, Kawasaki), +0:25.935

And to reply to endoman and realmofo -
Remenber the 250's more than one's this summer ran faster than the 450's including Dungey.
Plus, Roczen is now home in familiar and confident surroundings.

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I am not a fan of "if this guy was here he'd do this or that"...he isn't so whatever - he is like Everts was in his day..comfortable on the other side of the pond doing his own thing - no doubt he is fast but he has his reasons for staying there so be it...and the whole 250 lap times vs 450 laptimes debate is so ridiculous I don't know where to start...HOW MANY TIMES have we seen the top 250, lites. or 125 riders post laptimes fatser that the big bikes! Why? because you can chaarge harder 9through bumps)maintain better corner speed and get squirrly without the bike spitting you off - it is a different deal on the 450. Does anyone who makes these stupid comparisons actually ride mx?

Anyway go Zachy Poo! Finish out this season safe and get over here and bag yourself a SX lites win man!

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DINOSAURMEDIA: I totally agree with you. Plenty of people were talking crap about the gp's last year because Roczen and Herlings were often posting faster times than Cairoli and the other MX1 riders.
Cairoli was just controlling the races without pushing that much. The MX2 races were not a good show, while the MX1 were good with many battles.
m75: you can change nicknames but we all know that's you jackass

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BlackBeard = Tool...Very sad

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As for who is faster between the euros and the Americans throughout a season? In the past 10 years neither side has had a top tier rider in the primier class cross the pond to go after a championship. Why? I would say its money. Do you think that RV could earn as much money in Europe as he makes in the states. I would assume the same applies to Cairoli. Until we have a Cairoli or RV caliber rider in their prime cross the pond we will never know.

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-manes... WTF?!?!? that was the first post i EVER posted at this for site!? Been following the site for a long time, but im so sick of all the tards on here! so many comments hating on the european riders! i dont get it.. of course im rooting a bit for roczen and other europeans, when they race the americans.. but no doubt im an RV fan all the way.
BTW im from denmark.. have no clue who u think i am?

mit12 -
exactly, i totally agree, we won't get the right answer to that question, until they rides a series all over the world! so nobody has the "home advantage".
im rooting for RV to come race the GP's in the future (as there has been taking about). Can't figure out if he will win. Hope so. But i would be damn cool!

- AC222 and RV1 to the asian championchip ( if it exist d:) that would be a fair deal to decide, but i know that not gonna happen. but it would be fair. non of them would be familiar with the races.

Bottom line, i think all the top racer are GREAT, but i think alot of the american FANS, are pretty dumb to think racers from outside america are jokes.

I'll be rotting for the danish riders at the MXoN next week, really looking forward to go to lommel in this weekend.

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@mit12- good point!

@fred- wake fred, fred wake up. The only thing you will find at the baggage claim area at the airport is tons of fun, sorry no factory showa for you! You must have been dreaming the other day. hardy har har Oh ya, lets see what Kroc can do in his home turf, no to bad so far.

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We have had many in the prime come over here, in the last two years Roczen and MM both world champs in the 250 class. I don't think the top MX1 guys would fair any better then they did. I might argue that Cairoli and Everts won as much as they did because all the top guys came over here. So are they as good as they look on paper??

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True on that last one BillC. everyone comes over here and the guys that stay, rack up championships, but the guys that come over here usually take a while to get anything going, if ever. #22 would just be 'another guy' over here.

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This converstion goes back to the time it takes too acclimate to the changes in lifestye, weather, and travelling over here. Anyrider from Europe would need a couple of good years to get their bearings straight be for they could show their true potential. But I also see the same for any rider from here going over to Europe with the same issues. The Japanese championship sereies would be good for both sides, no advantage what so ever.

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CZmark -
EXATLY, thats what im trying to say.. thank you for getting it... Nothing more to say :)

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Speculation. That's all it is.

Carioli has it good, scratch that, GREAT in europe, why change? Because WE say so? HA!

@ M#75, the correct spelling is "ROOTING"................."ROTTING" gave me a good laugh though.

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I'm guessing that Roczen rode a 350 to the 2nd place finish in MX1. I just don't get it. What makes them so great in europe and so average in U.S.? Are the G.P. 350's full-on works? Bored-out? What gives? I doubt they're works bikes because the factory wouldn't build one for Roczen to race only once?....................would they?

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haha carlsbad, sorry about that, im not so good with the spelling :)

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JMB came over here and won right away, I believe RD, or RV could go over there and win because they are tjhat good, Yes it would be hard to ajust but them 2 could get it done just like JMB did coming over here. If your that good you will win no matter where the race is I believe. But lets face it the bottom line is the money as it should be, You never know when the last time you can through a leg over a bike you you need to make it count!!!

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I don't for 1sec bash Carioli for not comming over, I wish he did/would but I don't see it. If he came over now and got beat he would look bad so at his age no point in doing it. No question he is fast but the tracks are so dif, Roczen and MM both have said it is harder here then they thought it would be, The racing not the life. For the guys who come here things are MUCH nicer from what I have seen, Hell I remember a Vid a few years back when MM was world champ and the garage at his pratice track I think had a dirt floor and one 60w light bulb!! Over here things are much nicer!!

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I dont understand why the world needs to come to America to prove they are good riders. Yes, the majority of the fastest racers are in America competing, but why would AC or Everts move to a foreign country and turn down wads of GP cash? To satisfy a bunch of jackasses on a message board? All you guys that say Rozcen can't win against the best in America and blah, blah, blah. The kid is 18 moved from his family and friends to a foreign country, got a moto win and finished 4th in a competitive outdoor series. Lets see Zach Bell go to the Gp's and finish 4th next year.

I am American, but most of you "fans" make us look like idiots.

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Hey 'old man' how old are you? You dont remember when the US riders had to go to europe to prove themselves? because that was where the fastest riders were. It is reversed now, and if you want to prove you are the best, you have to race the best. take any of our current Champions and their first year in GPs would be better than a 4th. IMO

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oldmanmotocross Zach Bell is not a Champ ,,Roczen was.

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@billC
You are correct JMB did come over hear it took him a few years and he won a some championships.
Back to what I said earlier, the last time a top notch premier class rider in their prime from the US went over to race the premier class in Europe was Brad Lacky! Danny Laporte, Donny Schmit, Brock Glover etc were all past their prime and did not race the premier class aka 500GP or MX1 until that happens we will continue to have this argument.

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@ mit12, I'm not arguing one way or the other but, I think Glover's "european vacation" was hampered by sub-par equipment. He was developing an all-new KTM and was behind the eight ball oftentimes. I'm not so sure about Schmit not being in his prime and by the time he got there ('88/'89) the emphasis was shifting from the 500 class to the 250's. Also, we had Micky Dymond over there ('90/'91?) and Mike Healy ('90/'91) but, I guess people could say they were past prime.

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One of the big reasons a lot of the top Euros do not come over here is becasue they do not want to race SX. There have been a long list of GP world champions who have come over here only to get smashed up trying to race an unfamiliar SX series. That was the main reason Everts stated for not coming over. American rider really don't end up in Europe unless they can't get a ride over here.

I think Canoli would be a top 5 guy every weekend, battling for podiums and wins at certain tracks. But signing with any good team would most likely require him to race SX. As for those though who bash the American riders for not riding the world championships, there are a few proplems with that. First off, almost everyone, including the GP riders, regard the AMA series as the ultimate prize. You ask a lot of European riders and their goal is to win a GP championship to get a shot at a ride over here. Look at the long list of world champs that have come over. JMB, Albertyn, Tortelli, Langston, Chiodi, Townley, Musquin, Rattray, Roczen, and in a year or two Herlings. Its a who's who of GP riders looking to break through over here. Who knows how many more world titles they would have had if they had stayed. But they wanted to prove themselves in the biggest stage of all. And its not easy, new tracks, new lifestyle, different travelling schedules, new riders, all takes time to adapt. Its also hard to have one race, like the MXdN say who is the best overall rider. Home track advantage does play a rode if you are looking at one race. When they raced at Budds Creek in 06 we totally clobbered the rest of the feild. A big part of that clobbering was becasue its a stay on the National series and one that the riders are very familiar with. just like this years race in the deep sand. If a certain rider wins (say Herlings) that day will not make him the best rider in the world. On that day, yes. But not overall. Plus at the MXdN riders are riding smarter for their overall team effort, and not individual honors.

And for the love of god can we please stop comparing 250 vs 450 lap times. The power gap from the 125/250 machines are much less dramatic than what they are today comparing a 250 to a 450. A 250 makes plenty of usefull HP. 250's are lighter, can turn quicker, and make plenty of HP where as a 450 is much harder to manhandle during an entire mote, on top of that most teams are not looking for "more HP" on a 450, becasue they are making more than enough to handle already. They are looking to make the HP they have more useable.

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Also, Caroli has it good over there. He has the class covered rioght now, and just about all of the upcoming talent is leaving for America. (Roczen, Musquin, Herlings, etc) So i don't blame him, he has a lot to lose if he came over here.

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