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PrintRyan Villopoto won the race in St. Louis—the results say so. But not everyone agrees, as some teams say video footage proves he passed James Stewart for the lead under a red cross flag situation—which is grounds for penalty. Kawasaki people say their video footage showed he was in the right. Regardless of which video showed what, the AMA’s Kevin Crowther, after reviewing it all, decided to leave the results as they were, with Villopoto as the race winner. Be sure to check it all out on CBS tomorrow to make your own take.
Not arguable is that Villopoto was the man in the main event. He started around fifth, got to third, and was then penalized for jumping past Mike Alessi under a yellow flag. The race was then red flagged and restarted, and the penalty pushed RV from third to sixth. He still managed to come back through to at least catch and challenge Stewart for the lead. And once he had the lead, he pulled away. No doubt the tackier St. Louis dirt seemed to work well for Ryan’s style.
The 450 SX red flag and restart was a reaction to Kyle Chisholm’s big crash. Reports say that Jake Weimer couldn’t clear a triple, and that left Chisholm and Matt Goerke scrambling and then colliding in mid air. Both crashed, Chisholm got the worst of the deal. According to his JGR Toyota MX Team, Chizz most likely has a broken ankle and a possible knee injury. Big bummer for Chisholm, who was in his first main event with JGR.
Bobby Kiniry was in his first race with N-Fab TiLube Yamaha and got a good start in the 450 main. BK was running third early and hanging as tough as he could before crashing on a triple. The red cross flags for him are what caused all the “Did Villopoto jump under he flag” controversy. Kiniry, by the way, got up and resumed riding.
The top five riders were so close. Okay, Villopoto stretched it once he had the lead, but he, Stewart, Chad Reed, Justin Barcia and Ryan Dungey all had their runs where they looked ready to make something special happen. Is this a great season or what?
Great racing in the 250s between Wil Hahn and Dean Wilson, and they have been very respectful to each other through it all.
Meanwhile, these two dudes on the 450 podium. Nothing but love, baby.
Blake Wharton rode well in 250s, but not as well as Wilson and Hahn.
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Davi Millsaps got his first bad start of the year, but his result was really set back when he was smashed by Trey Canard, who Millsaps said was crashing and ran into him—a complete accident. Millsaps got tagged in the arm, and he said it basically made it feel like he had arm pump.
Not the race Eli Tomac was hoping for. "I've had speed the first two rounds," Tomac said. "This week, I just struggled with in the main, energy-wise. I was sick earlier this week. I don't want to make excuses, but things like that can definitely catch up to you. I just had no energy for the main."
Holeshot, led a bit, finished seventh. This was the best riding Mike Alessi has done this year.
Perhaps you’ve heard rumors that the Dodge/Sycuan RCH team is looking into signing Christophe Pourcel for this summer’s Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship? Everything we heard from the team indicates that’s not true.
RCH’s Broc Tickle was decent against this deep field, taking 11th. Josh Hill, though, had two bad starts and didn’t make the main.
Look out. Only 12 points down.
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Much to smile about in St. Louis.
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Obviously, the track led to good racing. The tacky soil helped big. Still, there were complaints about the tracks being too easy, technically. And the whoops were short in height, which made them easy. Not much you could do differently, although Villopoto's sixth to first charge was definitely something different.
Blake Wharton looked racy all day and night in St. Louis, and he won his heat. Also started well in the main, but wasn’t quite able to maintain the pace of Wil Hahn or Dean Wilson.
Wilson was very, very bummed after the race for getting such a bad start. He rode well and came through traffic better than anyone, but is not happy about losing the points lead.
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Congrats to RV and Hahn. Weege, it is ok that Stewart got 2nd. Thats a great finish and he was perfect in ATL. Please dont help him with excuses. Im sure he has the red flag deal under control.
The photo with James and Reed........if you didn't know James had his own gear line, you'd think they were wearing the same brand.
Anyone miss all the racing today or the taping because of other showes its on 5-8 all 3 hours on FUEL TV today eastern enjoy...That way you dont have to break it up...ENJOY
Just watched RV pass with the red cross and yellow flags out, for the second time in one night. This time NO PENALTY !!
Doesnt matter on second flag...he was CLEARLY the fastest and would have won regardless. James shouldnt have mentioned it on the podium. Let it be. Settle it at Daytona.
AMA,,?? very bad call,,he would have passed james anyways but IMO he did an illegal pass.
First... The straight line across the corner by JS7 was a desperate move. A move of a falling star, realizing he is second at best.
Second...The red cross flag clearly was out...but should it have been? The video seems to show the incident has cleared up. But just based on the flag being present, he should not have passed. Penalty needed.
Third... RacerX better have a few quotes from the AMA, as to how they came to their decision.
The pass- technically legal, but a sucker punch. Since RV is so untouchable (eye roll), why not wait 20 more feet and go manu et manu?
Sucker punch?Yea right,RV is known as just being that type of rider.What a joke!He pretty much just rolled past Stew.I am pretty sure you can pass under a yellow.The YELLOW flags were out there,not the RED.at that point.Just because Stew was sitting up,doesnt mean everybody has too!
Well Jake, because last time he passed him James attemped to take him out the next chance he got.
feld (who pretty much now owns the AMA) IS ruining our sport, selective enforcement, sets our sport back, years, as we were watching the race in a pub, and even the local yocals here laffed at that call, or lack there of, IM A FAN (and former pro racer) of the sport, not any particular racer,, they come and and go, JUST WHEN SPONSORSHIP FAVORTISM IS SO BLATANTLY DISPLAYED, it puts the sport back as a novelty ... rick chew says so !!! emsra.com
RV didnt pass until it was yellow flags, and he gapped him anyways.. Rv ran down Stewart and then gapped him..end of story.. RV showed who is the fastest out there..
Did they miss the start of the main event?
Seems like they went from the qualifiers right to the restart.
I wonder what teams were complaining. Could it be...oh, I don't know...Stewart's team? Millsaps' team? Dungey's team?
Let us not forget the transgressions, reckless knockdowns, dangerous take-outs (even of lappers) and blatant rule-breaking of a certain rider in the past, with no consequences. He's been doing it since he first turned pro. I'm not going to mention his rule-breaking off the track, such as when he put cop lights on his truck, pulling people over in Florida, then got off scot-free. I would never stoop so low as to mention that.
The AMA (and we all know they have never made a questionable decision such as when they forced four strokes down our throats) looked at the evidence and did not further penalize Villopoto. The losers in any decision where a judge decides the outcome are always going to walk away complaining.
Walk away. There's nothing more to see here. NEXT RACE PLEASE.
RV clearly passed right in front of the red cross flags. Anybody saying anything different is lying. There were red cross flags at the begining and end of the strait.
It amazes me how people can lie so easy if it suits what they want to happen !
And to make it worse it was the second incident in the race, and he was only penalized ofr the first. He should get double the penalty he got for the first. AT LEAST ! I guess if it says Monster on your bike you can ignor the flags, but everybody else cant, AND DIDN'T!!
Rv is a cheater, guess have Aldon Baker rubbed the Lance Armstrong off on him. No matter what rank or racing passing under red is not allowed. The win shouldn't be any justice since he could have potentially hurt someone else twice last night. AMA failed on the ruling, the fact Stewart mentioned the rule shows the outcome may have been different.
@motobk--watch the race dude--they were every bit of at least 3 rollers passed the red cross flags, but RV was way faster anyway, he gaped him easily.. NO BS in this one..
Best race we have had all year--and all we get is a bunch of whining babies WAAAA--WAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Great dirt and great track by the way, excellent racing..
Stewart mentioned the rule because he was "butt-hurt" by the loss..
Didn't RV do something similar to this a year ago? I don't know if he passed on the red flag or not, I really don't care, either, but, in my opinion, if the AMA didn't say anything, than we have to go with what they said. I know that the AMA flip flops and seems a little weirdly run, but, they make the final decision and there's nothing that can change it.
It's different to get passed under racing conditions and be able to retaliate in the next corner. RV literally blew by at race speed while stew observed the red.
I just watched the RV of JS frame by frame. There were Red Cross flags before the triple and just prior to the turn where the pass was made. To make things more confusing there were two flaggers with yellow flags in the same area as the second red cross. The red cross flag is being held kind of low with the yellow flags held high. Kiniry is already back on his bike. The pass is made about three bike lengths beyond the flaggers. My question is how far past the flags do you need to be? There is also ambiguity with yellow and red cross flags being used simultaneously. It confused me and I'm guessing that's why the AMA ruled as they did. It appeared to be a pass under yellow at full speed. The racers don't have the luxury of a frame by frame view when making a decision.
RV pass of JS that is...
JGR Curse?
.. or is it just those damned blue bikes we all love to hate
Watch the video and see James and RV jump past the red light flashing in the previous corner entrance and James block pass RV almost knocking him down......after said red flashing light. One thing the rules are clear about and that is no passing if you see red lights. Maybe it was just payback.
Absolutely disgusting day for the sport. One of the best races in a very very long time and it is just completely ruined by blatant disregard for the rules. Villopoto was assessed the incorrect penalty the first time, which put him in a position where he could still win. He does the same thing a second time, and a blind eye is turned. Don't even try to think for a second that it wasn't solely because of who it was that no penalty was assessed. Any other rider out there would have been properly penalized, most likely ending their run at the title, but Villopoto sells seats and packs the house. Supercross has long been about nothing but the money, but this is just plain ridiculous, I'm ashamed to call myself a fan of the sport at this moment.
poto was faster but the flag thing did play a role stewart was maybe a little confused and ryan caught the yellow flag right when it was waved and got the jumpon stewart but from the camera angle on tv you saw a guy waving a red flag and stwart cruising by slow seems as though ryan did slow down but he pulled up right beside stewart and passed him going up the next jump. maybe there was a guy waving yellow but i couldnt see it.
anyways would have just ben better if poto passed him under normal racing conditions, poto was faster but doesnt mean youtr going to just fly by someone and pass them easily
Didn't RV do something similar to this a year ago? I don't know if he passed on the red flag or not, I really don't care, either, but, in my opinion, if the AMA didn't say anything, than we have to go with what they said. I know that the AMA flip flops and seems a little weirdly run, but, they make the final decision and there's nothing that can change it.
Didn't RV do something similar to this a year ago? I don't know if he passed on the red flag or not, I really don't care, either, but, in my opinion, if the AMA didn't say anything, than we have to go with what they said. I know that the AMA flip flops and seems a little weirdly run, but, they make the final decision and there's nothing that can change it.
Incident aside...(its a no brainer..james was caught sleeping)
The CHAMPIONSHIP has gotten BLUE hot now guys!! Milsaps's nerve is going to be tested BIG TIME over the coming hours and days. For him, its about keeping his cool and taking it one race at a time. Or maybe one lap at a time. RV has awoken, and there is raging stampede right behind him. Davi has got to keep charging otherwise he could become his worst enemy. Reed still has not won one for goodness sake....he along with james and RV and the Ryan are gonna be going crazier and crazier. I don't want to say it.....but surely something has to give...they can't keep this up till the end of the championship..surely??
Warrior462: would it shock you if you heard Dungey doubled under the same red cross flag RV was penalized for? Millsaps was behind him and said he did. I know if RV does it it is the worst thing ever, but what if Dungey does and isn't penalized at all? Just rumor?
B-KR, no, it wouldn't at all surprise me to hear about the AMA royally screwing up yet again. Although, I believe the issue was the pass, not the jump. Villopoto passed Alessi the first time, and Stewart the second, and should be PROPERLY penalized for BOTH.
this was not a good race to much flag confusion
RV,JAMES,MILLSAPS,DUNGEY,REED,does it really matter who it is when someone is down period (not talking about the james pass talking about the first time a 3 SPOT PENALTY even RC said it was a full lap penalty)my nephew is on his way up in this sport and this is the kind of stuff we got to look forward to.....what a joke.
UH oH!!!!
I hear butthurt Stewart fans.
Stewart is a cry baby just like his fans. He got owned, hell he got waxed. I bet he was seeing a number 4 on that bike as it blew by and gapped him. Calm down Stewart fans, your boy is the the GOAT and he ceertainly is not racing for a championship anytime soon. Villopoto is the man, anyone who says he's not is clearly just a hater.
Great race. Didn't matter what happened RV was winning that race no matter what.
IF STEWART WANTED THE WIN SO BAD WHY DIDN'T HE JUST PASS RYAN BACK? Oh that's right, he couldn't. :)
RV may have showed he was fastest, but he also showed poor sportsmanship. AMA ruling was bogus. I don't blame Stewart for being pissed, Poto passed him while he wasn't racing.
Still, awesome race, so many guys maintaining the pace. I impressed that Stewart held second under those conditions, in years past he would have exploded trying to too hard to win. Poto didn't get away much after the initial pass and battle behind him. Lap charts show that Stewart was fastest, 4 out of the last 6 laps.
I totally enjoyed the race, but we were denied the conclusion of the awesome battle they had going. The pass was unfair.
JS wasn't racing - he GOT raced.
Sleeping hard - then he got ACED.
He wound up in second place.
RV put it right in his face.
The track wasn't hardpack
Or simple one-lined track
The field was so damned stacked
But still it got anthracked.
RV on the smooth flow
You must admit, yo, bro
That on the fa rill doe
The man's Villopoto.
The pic of JS and CR made me LOL!!! P.S. If JS is the FMOTP couldn't he have caught RV and passed him regardless of the red cross flag? Just a thought. I'm sure i'll get blasted for this, LOL!
Whoops.
I meant to say that JS isn't the GOAT. His fans just thinks he is.
He got a beat down by RV and passed like beeotch by Bam Bam and was going to get passed by the old man Reed.
Stewart still has an ego, don't know why his results sure don't back him up.
One thing is for sure is it will be weird when he retires but man it will be nice to see his fans leave the sport.
@speedshifter
Please do more of those.
mxstyle
dont worry i doubt your nephew is good enough for local races let alone ever dreaming he will be a pro. Keep having a pipe dream i guess. Plus you sound like a crybaby, maybe its best you stay out of this sport. You have to be tough not raised by a bunch of puss's
@@warrior462
You are way to emotional for this sport. Trust me, this sport is fine and nothing about that race is a big deal. You just hate RV so much you will never be happ. Which is sad,, it must suck to watch him win all of the time. :) You're just a mad RV hater. Eat it up sucker, he's going to win races and championships for years. Best you just leave this site and this sport and let fans enjoy it.
http://youtu.be/gICHQE2PBl8
http://youtu.be/OuWQ02lWgeM
heres the 450 main guys
first off cbs cant even show the rite race. everybody loves to c the start. its so sad to hear races will be held on cbs. who ever is in charge of that need to make it all speed at least. and to ralf shaeem he needs to find another job and let ricky and jeff commentate. put k-dub in his spot. he doesnt know the riders and is always messing it up. he needs to b off of the whole supercross and motocross! ama needs to b fair on the rules. they need to come out and tell the people the rules and video and explain ther decision with villopoto. i have nothing against him just so everybody is clear. hope we all get to say good bye to ralf. realy suks at his job!!
Just saw the second pass under the red flag. Yes, that was BS.
To all those who cry cheating on RV's pass of JS I just watched it from both angles and RV did NOT pass him on the straight away that the red cross was out on he and barcia were beside or slightly behind JS all the way down the straight and RV simply held the position and passed JS IN the right hand corner PAST the downed rider and IN THE CORNER going into the next straight, RV had the inside and was clearly FASTER than JS had caught him from 5 positions back and left him 3-4 seconds behind maintained the distance and won the race FAIRLY.
when RV passed MA the first time he was three jumps past the flag and past the downed rider but STILL in the straight that the red flag was out in so docking him was understandable even though he rolled til he was past the downed rider.
RV is a cheater point blank. Just because Lance would have had the field covered doping or not doping doesn't make him any less of a cheater. Rules are rules and to bend them for one rider ruins the integrity of the sport. This single handily is what holds SX from being in main stream and why we get shotty coverage next day from CBS. If we as an organization, AMA, had a backbone this wouldn't happen. It won't be until we can be united as a sanctioning body until we can compete with NASCAR, nfl, nba, or MLB. You don't see NASCAR bending over for Sprint or Nfl taking it up the rear by nike. Why should SX be any different and let monster ram it's riders down our throats even if they balantly cheat? Until then put us on after the Tour De Suck! Wake up guys Rv is the fastest but our integrity isn't there to be considered a real "sport" by stick and ball enthusiasts!
Watch the CBS replay of the pass. It is a better camera angle than the original shot. There were two yellow flags displayed well after second red cross. There was also no downed rider at that point. Kiniry is back on his bike. I'm sure the AMA ruled it inconclusive because of the mix of flags. Flaggers shouldn't be showing both.
the flaggers were idiots there was no need for the red cross flag when the rider is sitting on his bike trying to start it. how about some better flagger training ?
to me it looked like rv was on the inside and just made the turn , js hesitated he needs to be mad at himself not rv what was rv supposed to do wait for james to pin it or even worse barcia or reed to pin it around him? just my take it looked okay to me
@Lc4RC
HAHA You're so mad/ Get used to it you big puss'. RV owned that cry baby Stewart so hard that his fans are still crying.
This ain't NASCAR or the NFL stupid. Different rules. What RV did was legal.
Why do you hate him so much? Is it because he's a multi time MX/SX Champion? Is it because he has a hot wife? Or he has millions of dollars and will retire early? Is it because he's been putting beat downs on your washed up boy?
Cry baby Stewart fans hurt this sport more then flaggers do.
RV owned him. Now you can go to bed crying knowing that 100,00 watched your boy get a beat down and 100,000 cheered for RV while doing it. Sleep tight.
:) :) :)
lc4rc its clear you don't know the rules and you need to reed them they are in the next article and the AMA ruled correctly on RV and RD
The Yellow flags were out.Stew was napping!Do not understand why there were Red flags out for Kiniry anyway.I think RV did just what he should of.He surely didnt need a hand out.
Some great racing and wonderful camera work by CBS this time but let's call a spade a spade: RV got away with cheating.....
I've "read" the rules dumb skulls, all forms of racing its illegal to pass under red! Sorry to see the education levels of our sport are only at a racist level. No where did I say I was for js7, how quickly we assume anyone who wants these so called "rules" enforced are Stewart lovers. If we truly believe we have the best sport in the world wouldn't we want it officiated with the upmost integrity? Just saying that if there was a rider who would have gotten hurt because of Rv racing through a red then we all would have been appalled! Glad I got called out by a bunch of never runs, who probably haven't thrown their leg over a bike. I know if I would have been in a amateur race and some clown passed me under red I would be pissed.
RV is such a "cheater"
The coolest things about this race was seeing some awesome dicing,and all the riders heads dropping from all the roost.Sweet dirt!
CBS clearly pointed out that the lead pack was next to a Red Cross flag, but AMA disregards that fact since Kiniry was getting on bike. It's a piss poor explanation meant to justify the champ, whom by the way is sponsored by monster!
http://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/15018/photos/65034/s1600_Screen_shot_2013_03_04_at_2.21.16_PM.jpg?1362367319
Lcrc - thanks for the photo it proves that RV was BEHIND when he passed the RED flag and now watch where he passed, in the corner PAST the flags and r the mounted rider and the section where the flags were.
You are looking really foolish about this but thanks for the CLEAR proof you are wrong
I'm not trying to say RV was right or wrong. Trying to prove AMA does not have clearly defined rules, which makes our sport at the highest level look foolish and amateur. All of us whined how much of a disgrace it was to watch on Sunday not live Saturday night. This is why, we are merely a Wwe event without the merit to be discussed in the main stream stick and ball sports!
@Lc4rc
Great screen shot, it showed the red flag out for Kiniry right? The guy sitting ON his bike in the front of the pic right? Which point where you trying to prove?
New subject. Whats everyones thoughts on zach bell? Crashes a lot. Nerves? what you guys think.
So, RV is accused of passing on Red. And penelized three spots in the restarted main. What is it about that, that doesn't seem to get recognised here. To me, that is a penalty. By no means can that be called an oversite, as in the AMA did nothing about what is so debatable here today. And passing, under caution (yellow flag) is permitted. So, without trying to add fuel to the fire, could someone tell me what was wrong with the race on Saturday night?
Zack Bell has to settle down or he won't be racing long, the guy gets incredible starts and is very fast but goes down ALL THE TIME. I'm sure they
My God the whiners wont quit--NOBODY was RV pass under a "red flag" because he didnt.. They were already through that section, the flags there were yellow, and they were out of that spot, going to the next section.. Stewart got ran down and passed.. RV madee up 5 positions, he ran him down, passed him and gapped him.. I guess the gap was done under a red flag too.. My lord, we got a great race finally, quit whining..
Finally good dirt and a good race
You complainers are a bunch of clowns. The red flags were over, yellows were out. You CAN pass on a yellow... as we have seen Tomac and several others do already this year. Kiniry was already back on his bike. And they all rolled the triple. In case you didn't notice... barcia and reed were slammed up right on the back of RV through that triple too. Everyone was right on each other, and when they entered the next turn RV took the lead.
Also all you people saying RV did the same thing... NO HE DIDN"T. On the 3rd lap he thought he was past the downed rider and jumped. That was NOT OK and he was docked 3 positions for it. Later in the main he did not jump on the red cross flag and he passed under yellow. NOT THE SAME!
Like "therealmofo" and "Mustard Dog" just said.... FINALLY we get a great race with great dirt and the championship has tightened up! Stop complaining and look forward to Daytona!!
The rules don't say "no passing until the next straightaway" or "no passing until the next red cross flag". they say "use extreme caution and no passing from flag until you are PAST" the incident causing the flag. In this case the incident is Kiniry and even though he is back on his bike, he isn't out of danger from riders approaching him at speed. Stewart did the correct thing by taking it easy until he fully passed Kiniry. Villo and Barcia were racing behind James, creeping up and making a pass right at the point of Kiniry. This is not "using extreme caution".
Yeah that pass was so agressive and out of control. Poto's front wheel almost came off the ground on the last jump. If JS went any slower on an open track to the inside the top 5 would have had to restart there bikes. Legal pass. Fim said so. Suck it up and watch it. James brain farted on the yellows after the red. Understandable but don't say what Poto did was not legal. James was not to decide when the racing began again. Maybe he should have blocked the inside and chopped him like the last turn. Wouldn't have mattered bcus Poto was going by him sooner or later