Bench Racing Ammo: Reed Vs. Stewart
Tuesday, December 25, 2012 | 10:00 AM
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PrintIt's the bench racing gift that keeps on giving. The twelfth professional racing season in the U.S. looms for both James Stewart and Chad Reed, which makes it by far the longest-running rivalry in the sport's history. But newbies like The Ryans have moved in on the championship turf, so we're not sure how many more times we'll see James versus Chad alone out front for the win (you can go back to Oakland last year for a look, or, of course, the Battle of Atlanta 2011). Like Clark Griswold being told he had to be nice to Uncle Lewis because “He's old and it could be his last Christmas,” we need to enbrace Reed/Stewart while it's still around. The Ryans have chosen to take the high road and shy away from the drama. Where's the fun in that?
Reed/Stewart makes the perfect gift. Stewart has been known as the fastest man on the planet (yup, we went there) and boasts a ridiculous 50 percent career SX win percentage to back it up. Reed can be called the most consistent in the game, though, with a staggering 80 percent career podium rate. Both have two career SX Titles and are very close in career wins. And such close competition has boiled over to off-track drama the likes of which we might not ever see again (although quietly, the Justin Barcia fans are rubbing their hands together).
But we've spent a dozen years writing and talking about Stewart/Reed. And, it's Christmas and we've got stuff to do. However, if today's family time starts to lag, and if you want to head to your favorite Supercross and Motocross website for a break (thanks!), why not spread a little Christmas cheer with a post below? Lets blow out Stewart v. Reed one more time. Who has had the better career? Who will be better this year? What are you favorite moments?
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This should be interesting. I have much more respect for Reed now.
should be a great year. I hope James and Chad can stay healthy all year and give us a good show!
Get ready for a rejuvenated bubba .... Could be a long season for dingy ,reed,villipoto and boys
Reed and Stewart. Two of the best. Reed is always hanging around the front and has been doing so for a long time. Was never a fan in his early days, though I am now. He earned it. Turns out he is fast on a scooter and seems quick in the mind department as well.
No longer a Stewart fan ( at least in public), but whenever I see him on a track I recall his early days as a lites rider. He was amazing. Seems he simply rode wherever no one else was, regardless of the terrain. It was like he never really "locked" onto one line but rode wherever he needed to pass, or crash. You have to admit....he was fast back then. That first season it was obvious that few had his talent, but, he simply seems to have skipped the "growing into maturity" part that most racers evolve into at some point. There is fast, and then there is winning. Perhaps he could still be successful though time is running out, as are his excuses.
Two guys going fast two different ways........
think reed will be fastest next season. Seems like he is always getting better and better. while stewart is panicing a bit. Still think Stewart still got the best skills on the bike (better then villo n dungey too). But he dont got his head in the right place.
I love Stewart's checkers or wreckers style. I'm just hoping for more checkers and less wreckers this year!
Working on x-mas, thanks for giving me something to do while hiding from in-laws. Chad seems really driven this year to win while James seems to want to just be noticed. At least that's how they seemed on the SX preview. James' Oakley commercial said a lot to me, " Who won the race? I don't know. Did you see James hit that wall?". More worried about being cool than winning it seems. The races are indeed more exciting with him. If he doesn't win at least 4 races I predict an injury will keep him from MX and possibly be the end for him. I think the next rivalry will be RV vs Barcia. RV seems to have something against him. Maybe he sees him as his main competitor, I do.
Am I the only one to think these two may not be a factor? Just not feeling it from either rider for separate reasons.
Rmember A1 in 2009. Great Reed vs Stewart race. Best part is the winner was JG.
AHHHHH The Reed vs. Stewart battle its been quite the exciting tale for a while now and it looks like to me anyways ( a huge reed fan ) Reed always comes out on top. Fastest man on the planet I think not, for the season yes but those days are long gone. I predict a season where there are 7 yes 7 different winners and jbs7 finishes 6th in points. Bring on the new guys im from Ga and love BamBam1ex2 and think that the ryans, canard, jbs7 and yes Reed should keep a close eye on him or he will walk with title in hand. with that being said my final standings are as follows 1. Chad Reed - this may be his last year and he would love to go out on top and knows he can. 2. Justin Barcia - would win the thing but some impatience gets the best of him and loses too many points. 3. Ryan Dungey - killem with consistency but a little of the pace. 4. Trey Canard - still a little hesitant in the first few rounds able to put in a to little too late charge. 5. Ryan Villopoto - everyone is human and the pressure along with bike issues strain his season. 6 . James Stewart - well after tasting a few dirt samples across the U.S. what can you expect. As for the rest of the top 10 im going to say Windham, Wiemer, Alessi, Short. Believe it or not the last 4 we way harder to pick than the first 6. If you are reading this, this is my opinion as im sure you have your own. MERRY XMAS everyone and lets get this circus on the road to A1.
@chad107...I like your train of thought. Was beginning to think I was the only one that thought RV acts like he is under the gun and doesn't like his bike. The insight article by JT might shed some light as to why. I can't fathom a guess on final finishes. Reed doesn't look lean and mean, Barcia seems to be hiding, steel vs. aluminum, old vs.new(riders and bikes) and James eyes seeming to be pointing in different directions during the SX preview, are all things that could have a profound outcome on any one race let alone a whole season. It's going to be good!!!
So, Stewart has a 50% win ratio, but what is his crash ratio? And how many races has he missed out of the races he could have possibly competed in over the course of his career? If he had ever matured as Carmichael did, he'd have 5 SX titles by now. We should call him Stewy 'Magoo' for his crashes – and that could be after the cartoon (those nearly miraculous saves) or Danny Chandler himself, or better yet 'Hollywood' (sorry JIm), because he is all glitz, glamour, and drama; but grit, guts, and heart? – Just when you start to believe, he pulls out of another event or simply elects not to race. And while such actions may be hard to judge, I'm convinced that at least half of the races he has failed to finish, guys like RC, Henry, Dowd, & LaRocco would have. He is, and will probably remain, a rider that so many of us love to hate.
Reed on the other hand has completed his evolution and has shown great maturity, is a great spokesman for the sport, and a rider that any true fan really can't cheer against, while 80% podiums is impressive by any standard! Reed displays a lot more zen than Stewart's win-or-crash history (a mentality that most riders outgrow after a couple of seasons). James is like the Ali who keeps proclaiming his own greatness (the humble boast) and then knocks himself out! Stewart's true greatness remains untapped potential. Maybe we sometimes think that he goes faster than what is really possible because he IS going faster than what is really possible – or in so many cases, was.
Still, supercross is more competitive and more colorful than it has been since the early 90's, so pick your rider, your personality, or your brand, because barring injury, this season is going to be epic. RacerX should do a pole that asks the question: Who will be the first rider to throw a punch this season? Because I'm thinking that if our contenders stay healthy – someone is going to reach the rev-limiter!
I will admit that in 2011 reed was keeping rv2 honest in the points and on the track till he let that front end drop. Stewart seems to me like hes trying to impress the guys at red bull and the helmet came confidence overcomes commen sense ..
Reed is too long in the tooth now and JS is still fast and might win races but not a championship. The youth boys are here in RV, RD, and Barcia but really the championship is between the 2 of RV and RD. I hope no one gets hurt in either class but that now seems impossible unfortunately.
@chad cannon true rv is human but even in the stacked feild from dead last or a tip over rv2 can come back to top 5 or top 3..easy.
ill friggin bench race anyone. its christmas and im tryin to get away from all these people.
im glad everyone is keeping it respectful on here for once,im just gonna root for everyone to stay healthy and see how it shakes out!!!!!!!
cant wait!
Well, Merry Christmas to all!
I have wanted to write on this for years and thanks to my son he set me up here.
So, here is my opinion.
First, I hope that all racers stay safe. The safety record in previous years has diminished this great sport.
This is due to 4 strokes and the high rate of speed the riders are now carrying.
Also, the expense to compete for the average guy is out of control.
Anyway, I wish for all riders to have a full safe season and then we will all get to enjoy some great battles.
Looking forward to A1
Simple to me: Reed, like Dungey, could have a blown up winning percentage if he were willing to ride over his head every time out. But he's not willing to risk a 50/50 win or crash strategy like Stewart(and RV somewhat) has. I'll take championships and longevity over cute acronyms(FMOTP) any day. That's why I think Dungey is going to retire with many championships and right up there in wins. Even Barcia has learned when to back it down and not ride over his head thanks mostly to some good mentoring. Stewart gets high on everybody oohing and aughing over him instead of thinking the long term and the team.
A little birdie told me J Law is racing alongside JS7 this year on that vacant Zook......
Both these guys are strong candidates to win Super-X finals. With Reed more likely a threat to win the Championship (but not as likely as Villo). I'm glad they are back on the starting line though and ready to rip. I only hope that if (when) one of them is no longer mathematically in it to win the championship that they don't pack it in (something all the super stars seem to do nowadays). Seems the big $ bonuses are for the Championship only, individual race bonuses don't seem to excite these guys. Keep racing guys .. it's not just about the Championship .... you guys (the fab 5) already have lots of money ... how about a little personal pride.
I'm sure Jame's Suzuki is an great bike, but something about history of the bike/team reminds me of that girl that been arround. First RC was with when she was young and hot, then Chad had her for a year, next Dungey learned with her for a few years, Metty wore her out, and now Bubba's getting the sloppy leftovers.
since the Suzuki 4 fif won 3 out of the 4 shootouts,, something tells me its not quite worn out.....
reed has never won a title against the best they were all hurt when he won
Stewart is still most likely the fastest man on any SX track for a brief period of time. That has not changed. What has changed is his ability to keep it on two wheels. Since his last SX championship in 2009 he is crashing much more frequently and clearly he is missing either the fitness and/or mental focus to keep it on.
Reed on the other hand is still Reed. Consistently fast and the most dogged competitor out there. He also has incredible self-confidence. It will be interesting to see how he runs early, remember his Millville crash affected him mentally for the rest of summer. And other than MEC and some Aussie SX, he has not banged bars since that fateful night in Dallas last February. I just wonder if father time and the voice of reason might catch up with him a bit and we will see CR22 backing off slightly in some situations at the start of the season.
Big problem for both of these guys and the rest of the class is that RV has almost as much pure speed as JS7 at any given moment and he is much more consistent. He's not Dungey consistent, but when I add up the speed and consistency columns RV is clearly at the front of the list.
It is and has been a long rivaly, 12 years is reakky a long time in this sport! I have been with it since 1972 That is 40 years for you young uns that get home schooled. I still have the Cycle world with the pic a a little red head doing a wheelie on a Honda 50! Oh ya this is about Reed VS Stewart! My Bookie says to put my money on Chad the man not not James that aims for the ground Hey its the buke stupid? Anyhoooooo...... I hope for a grat Supercross season and for all to be safe and healthy. Hey its ok to dream!
OK I am gonna put my money on that Barcia dooood seems like he can do it! Then again Reed could jjust make the Ship right with a lot of good races and a few wins.
WE really wont know mmuch till the 2nd or 3rd round though? Now whydoes this start to sound like boxiing? Oh yeay someone had to mention Ali!
To whoever wins then they can stand on the box and say "I am the greatest boxer of all time" hey Stewie I just dont think you are the man ya used to be, I think Howard Cossell said that to Ali!
Merry Christmas to all and to all a Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LETS RACE!!!!!!!
(Did annything I typed make sense????)
This season is vitally improtant for James Stewart. Was it just that he did not agree with the backwards YZ and couldn't get comfy? Or has his ship sailed? The guy is supremely talented but his motivation is the real question mark. I thought he had a real chance to silence the doubters in MX this year, but he just gave up. If he had stuck with it and atleast finished out the series, even settling for podiums, I think he would have converted me to a JS fan.
Chad Reed doesn't have the same level of pressure. Yes, he is trying to come back from last seasons injuries, but I think most are expecting this to be Chad's last full season. If Chad has taught us anything over his career, it is to never count the guy out. The potential for wins is ALWAYS there with him. He WILL be in the points chase barring disaster. I really think that he would have won the title last year had he stayed healthy. The real question is "how far back will he come?"
The Battle of Atlanta 2011 is one of my favorite races ever. The weeks leading up to Hotlanta really did a good job of setting the stage. Even though it had been pretty civil leading up to it, I just new it would blow up at some point - but when? Chad was a few ticks off the pace that night but James was unable to capitalize on his advantage. Chad rode the razors edge. I fall firmly on the Chad Reed side of the arguement. James should have covered his line. He left the door WIDE open for a take out, and Chad delivered. Yes it was dirty and he had no chance of riding out if James didn't shut off (James never does) but it was the last lap of a race long bru-haha. I would have made the same move any day of the week, and twice on saturday night.
James got up and showed his maturity level afterwards by getting up first, but wanting to mess with Chad instead of taking a sure second. It cost him and he wound up off the podium and lost valuable points.
Everyone Switzerlanding around the questions that JW wanted us to answer . . . . here ya go:
1. Best career: Bubba - more race wins, more love and hate from fans, more spectacular crashes, and if we're including MX it's all over.
2. Better 2013 - Bubba should be able to snag more wins, Reed will end up with more points at the end of the season, so it depends on the grading system but i'll take race wins over final standings if the podiums won't get me the #1 plate. Like Reed said in the pre-season show on CBS, Bubba can do things on the track that no one else can do. That gets Bubba more wins and more crashes, doesn't matter what color the bike is or how many strokes it has.
3. Favorite moments - everytime CR gets a better start in the main and Bubba catches him, you never know what's going to happen, they both seem to really not like each other in every race situation when there aren't any of the other 18 fast dudes between the two of them. Always a good time. Saddest memory for me was Vegas '06 when RC won his last SX title at 338 pts, JS won the World SX title that no one cares about and 2nd in SX with 336 pts, and the two are holding their hands up together in victory and then Reed rides by on his Yami with his head down, he ended up with 336 pts in 3rd overall SX based on only 2 wins to JS's 8. 3rd place was never so lonely. I guarantee that put a fire in Reed's belly. Get your popcorn baby!
I have always been a CR22 fan. I believe Reed is a more consistant competitor and gives more to the sport. while stewart has brought a different aspect to moto, I believe once stewart is done, he will move on and not be involved in our sport where as Chad, if two two racing continues, will be giving back and involved in our sport.
motodog - that moment at Vegas 06 was really powerful. I cannot even imagine what Chad felt like. Chad rode great that night, arguably the best ride of his season, and he was just as fast as his competitors that night. But he started behind them. Even he had the speed to make up the ground he gave up on the start, passing both riders would have been impossible. It was almost like James and Ricky were teaming up against Reed. I know they weren't, but it was clear that 1A and 1B were Ricky and James, Chad was solidly the number three guy in terms of speed.
The defining moment that set the tone between these two came at Unadilla 2002. James was romping everyone pretty soundly up to this point of the season, but Chad thought if he started with James, he could challenge him. James answered at Unadilla. Bubba had a commanding lead in the first moto and Chad worked his way into second, and pulled away from the rest of the pack. James started riding slowly, everyone wondered if he had injured himself or was possibly having a mechanical issue. Chad Reed blew past into the lead and i am sure was feeling pretty good about himself - for about 10 seconds. James Stewart latched onto his rear fender and made an aggressive pass in short order, opening up a lead instantly and pulling away for a dominant and spirit crushing win. James was the man and Chad didn't have anything for him in terms of speed outdoors. Chad was visibly bitter during post race interviews.
I lost respect for James due to this. In my opinion, this is the equivelant of running the score up in football. It wasn't enough that James was winning the race, turning faster laptimes, and dominating the seasonal points standings, he had to humiliate Chad as well.
I am all for making psychological statements and a little dirty riding here or there, but this was next level disrespect. I remember the GOAT used to make some pretty dirty passes in his early days. Looking over at guys while blowing past them. RC even trapped Tortelli in a rut at Budds Creek, parked him for a second, and looked back at him in the process. Dirty, but not across the line. James has pretty much always been a bad winner.
I have watched both of these guys come through the ranks, and while each has had their negative / bad moments, I think both have matured into good guys and great competitors. I am a fan of both, because both do the hard work and make our sport better.
I was surprised at the level of success that CR has had with his 22 venture. But I think that James perched on a bike that he likes will be tough to stop in the early rounds. But ultimately I see Poto and Dungey coming on strong as the season goes on, and I think the championship will come down to those two. But James and Chad sure as hell will make every race a blast to watch; I hope that those two stay healthy ... if they do, then perhaps we'll see a 4 way battle for the championship like never seen before. Bring it on!
Reed will be solid. Bubba will race as long he wins. If he doesnt win it will be broken fingers, bike, photographers, etc. No one likes excuses. I wish Bubba would race a full season and see where he is really at but it aint gonna happen. Write it down. He wont finish the SX series.
James had higher than50% win ratio.... Until Ryans came up. It's not a two man show anymore! Easy days are gone for everyone. Hope that everyone stays healthy through 13 and may the best man win!
It aint the Stewart/Reed show anymore, these guys will be lucky to get in the top 3 this year. but oh well so is life. Both are fun to watch race- but Barcia and Vilo are gonna be beast this year.
Endo45--Stewie did race a full season just a few short years ago and finished 4th..Benind RV, Reed and Dungey. Reed has been better and more of a solid rider the few past seasons.. If Stewie feels more confident on this Suzuki he may be even more likely to win than before.. Alot of winning is mental, if he has confidence he will be faster.. But you have to hand it too Reed the last few years, he has the better rider than Stewie.. But RV and Dungey are better than both until they prove me wrong this season.. Lets just hope everyone stays healthy all year.. And lets not leave Barcia and Canard off the list.
Since Havoc7's name was mentioned and that means everybody will be on here ..i'll take this time to wish everyone...including rookies morons wanna be's , has beens young and old ,dorks ,nerds ,know it alls and not so much , pros and slows , superstars ,wise old men , the completely lost and clueless...the horrible and great commenter's and Racer X staff and everyone else that ever had the pleasure to pull up to a starting line and take a checkered flag...a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS and thanks for putting up with my sh*t....enjoyed the article....but... RV1 and Bam Bam will romp and stomp......."you will be 'entertained'." .............Let the festivities BEGIN........
I think that if James doesn't win early on he will struggle. If he can't get at least 5 wins he will not win the title. That is just James's MO.
I expect Chad to have a good season. I don't have any evidence to support, but I am going off of my gut feeling. If he can win at least 2 races in the first 10 rounds, he will be a serious threat in the home stretch.
Truthfully, if Villo or Dunge don't win the crown, I will be pretty surprized.
James and Chad have are such opposites to have pretty similar career results. Chad was not well liked early on. Next level fast and a tad inconsistent in the first few seasons. James was very popular early on. Next level fast and a tad inconsistent in the first few seasons. James has gotten less popular amongst core fans, but more well known globally. His consistency has never improved and has actually gotten WORSE. Chad's popularity has really shifted for the better. Once he went Red, he has followed in the footsteps of Kdub, and is sort of the Peoples Runner Up. Chad has gotten uber-consistent in recent years, almost to a fault.
It is hard to say who has had the better career, because people value different things. 2 SX championships, 1 MX championship, 40-something SX wins. That part is basically the same for James and Chad. But Chad is an open, honest, family man that is well liked and consistent. I would rather have Chad's career/lifestyle. I have been a Reed fan since he came to the states. I have disliked James since he turned pro (really before that, as I dislike most of these really hot, next big thing amateurs, which James was.)
stew latly is the king of crash but chadsapolt in millville was my fav and DUNGEYS WIN right after was unreal but stw had the winningest yr with 24 straight
stewarts got the speed but reed has the consistency. If stewart can ride a whole season without crashing too much he will top reed. Both have had a lot of time to prepare so only A1 will tell!
First and fore most, Merry Christmas to all, I hope you are having a wonderful day!!
The rivalry between Chad and James has provided us with so much good racing over the years, not to mention all the great bench racing their careers have initiated.
When they started bumping heads 12 years ago, both were hard to root for, seemingly full of themselves. Over time they have done what all of us do, mature, giving us the wise old racers we see today. They have similarities, amazing speed, as each have garnered two supercross titles, and longevity, as both riders have been on top for over a decade. James and Chad also had to deal with a rider we now call the Goat, or their supercross win totals would be closing in on that of MC. To pile up all those wins they took different lines into supercross history, one was always content to collect points, the other just wanted to win at all costs.
Which brings us to present day, how will the old dogs fair in 2013, as they each face the most talent laden field in history. While injures took both out of title contention last year, I have no doubt, that each will collect multiple victories and be in the title hunt, as the season winds down. I don't think either has enough left in the tank to take the title, but they will use the combination of speed and smarts to challenge this decades champions, the Ryans, super rookie Barcia, and crowd favorite Canard at each and every round.
Regardless of which one of these two you root for, your cheering for one of the best of supercross racers all time! Each has had a career to be extremely proud of as they have reached so many milestones in their amazing careers....All the best to both in 2013 and a big Thanks for the memories they have given us fans!!
Chad has a good a shot at this as anyone not named RV.
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First and foremost, Merry Shitmas to all, and God bless RacerX.
2nd, seems many a redneck has gotten over their hate for Reed, which was predictable but is nonetheless comedic.
3rd, if racing is a facet to show ones talent (which is why racing exists in the first place), Stewart runs this beaaach.
Lastly, don't let the atheists take the Sh*t out of Shitmas!
I dont care who wins as long as rv2 doesnt get his 3rd championship in a row....GO JOSH GRECO ama#976 lets get in some main events this year for your norcal fans!!!!#!
Can #7 get into Canada for the Toronto round ?
I dont know who will win and I dont care- I just know it will be fun to watch no matter what happens. I'm betting against Villopotos three peat and going with the underdogs this time- Stewie or Dungey because I think they are overdue.
And speaking of Hodakas- check out MXA! Sweeeeet!
Merry Christmas to all
ive predicted and been right since 2005 in the supercross season. its going to be #7 #2 and the rookie really going for the title. look out for james this year. v2 is always going to give it his best the red rookie has something to prove. #5 your going to have to get out of your comfort zone this year if you wanna hang. Reed love you to like no other your my all time fav forsure and i know you best if you want this title this year then youve got to let your guards down and go for it! You ride best when your pissed!!
@pink--When Stewie pulled off on Reed, if you really knew moto-you would know that the race before Reed crashed hard and popped out his shoulder and was way less than healthy, it was a chickensh%t move on Stewies part..... Secondly it is not 2009 and Reed has outclassed Stewie is supercross the last two seasons.. Reed had as much speed and was more consistent than Stewie.. Reed hasnt beat Stewie for a title, but he beat Stewie the last two seasons, it just happened that RV 2 has beaten them both.. Remember Reed finished 2nd to RV in 2011, Stewie finished 4th, behind Dungey, BOTH raced the entire series..
when stewart was on the kawi nobody was faster ever but that would bite him the ass sometimes
Neither of the Ryan's ever won a championship with a healthy 2 or 7 in the mix. 2 never won a championsip with a healthy 7 in the mix. IIIFFFF 7 is healthy and keeps his dirt samples few and far between he will win!!!! RV is to worried about getting respect. He has already voiced his opinion which is an indicator of definite worry. JB is in his head, speaking of JB he will be one to reckon with. He has proven he can run with and be faster than RD. Do not count out TC, he is definitely talented and will give them something to chew on. If Reed and Stewart are healthy, it will be a great season. They will be the front runners with JB and TC close behind. JS, CR, JB, TC, RV and RD are definitely in a class of their own. There are so many other talented riders in the mix these days that it will be a season to remember. Lets hope they all stay healthy and provide us with the best SX/MX ever!!!!!!
Oh, and the J-law rumor is interesting. If someone can get his head on straight he will come out feeding riders some dirt!!!!
TripCarlyle--you are real funny!! ........dickhead !
Stewart's speed has been incredible. He was really the only guy who could race Carmichael there for a stretch. And Reed's consistency is incredible. He's virtually been 1st or 2nd in every SX season since '02, except for '10 and '12. They have those amazing traits for mx riders, but Carmichael shared both those traits and was able to marry JS-like speed with CR-like consistency, and was nearly unbeatable in a title chase. Now it seems Villopoto has the field covered in much the same way.
Stewart used to have Reed covered on the track, but over the last few seasons Reed has come out looking like the better rider. Reed used to be liked only by a few and now is one of the most well-respected riders, while with Stewart it's just the opposite. Reed moved across the world to race AMA motocross near the beginning of his career and started a successful race team near the end of it. Stewart had a perfect season and revolutionized mid-air bike handling, and extended the boundaries of speed on a motocross track for everyone.
Stewart sometimes rides dangerously, unintentionally putting other riders at risk. Reed sometimes rides dangerously, intentionally putting Stewart at risk.
Who's better? Dunno. Whoever you like, I guess. Maybe it'll become clearer when they're done for good.
BD25 Always makes a good statement and makes some good points. I would stil put my money on Reed. I do think that one of the new young guns wil pull it off. I would be happy for KTM and also Roger DE Coster to pull of a win for KTM.
A-one is getting close! The first round makes the hype then we will se what happens!
Barcia wins it, with RV and RD rounding out the podiums and Stewart and Reed keeping it interesting. Remember: You heard it here first. Kids got heart, conditioning, has matured, learned to pull it back when it's time, and the the beast is HUNGRY.
Merry Christmas y'all from NE TX..its snowing here. Heres hoping Reed and Bubba can stay healthy and mix it up in 13. HOWEVER....I feel like alot of you that Barcia is going to factor in the wins....have y'all noticed how in the past couple yrs RV has acted like "how dare you" in "shunting" anyone in his way with stuffs etc... and unfortunately has had his way with no payback....what I'm looking for is for him to pull these moves on BamBam...reckon he will just "roll over?" Racin's rubbin as they say...bring it on!!
I feel RV is most likly to win in vegas, then it gets real hard for me to decide between JB, TC, RD, and CR- these 4 are most likly to place next. I then place JS after these five. RV is not worried about any rider out there- he will simply go out and do his thing and will deliver his best performance these next three years. He has the RC ability to rise to the occasion.
Barcia- its no longer his rookie season in my opionion- he has raced with the big boys enough to establish that one he can beat RD on a good night and will only improve. He starts VERY well and never gives up. equal to Canard.
Trey is flat out good and will be the rider we all saw in 10 and 11 all year long- he is just as aggresive as Barcia and will be cautious at first. He starts well and is VERY hard to pass. Equal to Barcia.
Reed- I feel will be as fast as he ever was and will be wise and not slower at all because of age. Equal to Dungy
Dungy, I feel will be still better than last year and can start better than Canard but not as well as Barcia , will be in every race to the finish. equal to CR
JS, equal to RV in speed but I feel is the hardest guys to have confidence in to finish the series. Wants to win as bad as any of these guys.
I feel Tickle may just suprise a lot of us. I have a weird feeling KW will be as good as houston last year at a lot of races. Josh hill was never as fast as the top six guys are now and is in for a culture shock. Jake Weimer will be doing his best to be a part of the top six and can mix it up if he gets a start.
this is going to be really good, REALLY GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO ONE will win by a lot this year.
Didnt even read the article. Reed & Stewart I predict they are both out by half way thru the series. each on there own accord thru injury ie.crash or just bad luck.... Reed will then retire !
It would be niece to see some new blood on the top step
JB is a chicken $hit. I like his riding style, respect his abilities on a scooter, but his toughness, physical and mental, is a big question mark. We have seen examples of it in the past a lot. Him running away from Aranda in bercy, him being parked on his head by Poorcel in the first rd of 2010 sx. After that he never wanted a piece of frenchy. As far as I know, RV was never shy of rubbing elbows with anyone. In 2010 he would run in on anybody on his way to the front( just ask Brayton). He matured a lot since, trying to keep it clean. I'm thinking, if JB wants to play a tough guy with him he'll have to turn his chicken skills in a matter of seconds. It's in barcias best interests try to stay clean in big class. Although, I have a feeling he will play those games with Dungey maybe Weimer. In my book, JB could be a consistent podium threat though.
Merry X-mas!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would say that my fav Stew/Reed battle was Jacksonville. Why did they take Jacksonville away? I would be glad if they brought it back. Can't wait till the 2013 season starts. I think that this will be the best season ever if everyone stays healthy. As far as the season goes it will be a great one for James if settles into the new ride. I think that the bikes suits his riding style. Chad will do great this season, but he will only finish third or better this year. May be his last. RV will be great this year and he made it happen the past couple of years, but this season will be a tough one for him. He will not win the title this season unless JS, CR, or JB doesn't finish the season. There is to much pressure on him this year and he will ride over his head and make to many mistakes to take it. Dungey will be there from start to finish but will not win it. JB will make this season more interesting, but this is not his year. Just my opn. I wish everyone the best this season and good luck to all. Hope that everyone has a Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!
With two racers in their prime, a couple more who can win multiple races as well as championships and two more possible contenders, it seems that in 2013, the fans could get their money's worth .....
I honestly think they both have a shot at the title although Barcia may take it just because of his starts alone. His starts may be the decider by the last race.
Wow I really had to scroll down on this one dude...my only comment is we are way to horny for A1....gonna have a huge party that night and scream my lungs out ....im a reed fan and loved watching him give his all against stew but people were breathing fire on those posts...go Barcia
@ Osteo
Yep ... lookin' like six guys ....
@ Osteo
Yep ... lookin' like six guys ....
I bought my kid some shift gear for Chrissy this year. Their gear looks soo much tighter than what it used to before cr was around. I bet they been selling 10 times the gear since hiring Reed.
Chad is finished, washed up, done and dusted, can not see a top 10 finish left in him for christs sake let go of the renthals and grab that walker frame, this is comming from a huge Reed fan!!!
PS. Even the village idiot knows what happens when you write off Reed.
Go get em skippy!
Love em both, bring it on!
bd200 still carrying the anti stewart torch! anybody who says james letting reed by and then re-passing him at unadilla was a chickenshit move needs to go watch some ice skating!! reed was talking smack about how he could beat james if he got the start, all james did was prove him wrong....absolutely nothing "chickenshit" about that....nothing!! go ahead and try and say otherwise bd200, but back then, and at that time, james simply showed who was the better and more confident rider at that moment! i loved it, and i was a reed fan then. that was a ballsy move and a big chance to take, it could have been really detrimental if he had not been able to get past reed again, but he did!! oh, and bd200, has the high of james finishing 4th in sx really lasted that long for you, it is all you talked about when it happened and you can't seem to stop bringing it up now.........it's really not that big of a deal, unless you are a james stewart hater....which you are!
Only an idiot would tuck their ears into a ball cap.
JS7 is a threat for race wins but not a championship so much.
CR22 is a threat for the Championship, but not race wins so much.
Neither of them will win the Championship in my opinion.
That Stewart kid sure is tough, he a hard one to keep down.
Look, James alreay publicly conceded the season in his commercial......but man, did you see him hit that wall? :)
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Past few seasons I (we) have all predicted and put our IMO's out there.... I have foregone the prediction piece regarding the title and will wait until round 3 or 4 to put that out there...too much has/will/can happen the first few weeks, so Im just going to sit back and watch..I am sure Reed and JS7 will find one another on the track this year and both have more to worry about than just each other, that is for sure.....RV will be strong out of the gate no doubt, just like last year he will take round one I think... I hope to see JS7 play it cool for a few weeks- just end the night on the podium and build some consistancy...he doesnt need to come out and prove he can win, we know that he can and will eventually.....Reed like last year, may push to hard - Watched the replay from Dallas the other night and while he was on the gas, he definatley looked out of his comfort zone running with RV...Same thing happened at Millville....Dungey will be Dungey....consistent and will win when the others are back in the pack or on the ground.....Barcia, not sure what to expect...MEC he looked good for sure, but MEC isnt AMA Supercross and in the past as mentioned by someone above, Barcia does crack under pressure...last year in SX he had it pretty easy for the most part...outdoors we see a whole different Barcia and him pushing to be on the box in SX13, I think he will make some mistakes early and fall back as the season progesses...Canard - Just stay healthy!!
HONESTLY!!! I DONT THINK THERE IS RIVALRY ANYMORE. Theres too many players to worry about. AS A Js7 fun id like to see CHAD win before he retires. the guy deserves it. THEY SHOULD BE FRIENDS 2013 AND SHOW THE YOUNG GUNS THAT THEY STILL GOT IT ALTHOUGH DUNGEY HAS THE CONFIDENCE OF A BULL NOW. VILLOPOTO AND BARCIA WILL GET INTO IT ALL OF 2013 and I think Reedy deserves the title and its between reedy and Dungey. YES DUNGEY will be faster this 2013 yr in SX too and I think he will have something for Villopoto. Barcia will get into RV's head all season and thats gonna allow Reed and Dungey consistence to shine. JS7 will win most wins but lose title to reedy or Dungey consistency
In othere words 2013 preview is this
1. RV and Barcia get into from A1 practice. lasts all yr. Remember RV isnt too good w confrontations and loses his cool and race. Remember Jlaw and Trey Canard got in his head and Rv lost
2. CR and Js7 rivalry all but dead. There are new young guns to worry about
3 CR and RD tied in points the last few races and its btw the two guys. Why they have the most consistencey
4. JS7 wins more races but loses out to RDand CR.
5. At las vegas final round its seems no rider is getting along w BArcia. He apparently Bam bamed all the riders
Well this deep in their careers if it doesn't happen it supercross, it's likely over with in the outdoors. Since I am very experienced in coming back from injuries, my take would be CR had a serious injury that may take awhile to get out of his head. Everytime he gets on the line, it pops back and he also has a family. When you kiss kid at starting line, you begin to realize what you have to lose. Now JS7 has neither of those to deal with. His injury was minor. A younger James would of raced with that latest wrist injury. My money between the two is on JS7. I think he's gonna try and make this the cherry on the top of his career. just sayin...
How bout Unadilla '02? Both in the 125 class...Ahh doesn't that have a nice ring to it? Weeks before Reed started talking smack that he could run with Bubba any time and day so Bubba pulled over when in the lead and waited for Reedy to go by and chased him down, passed him back and left him. More than likely the beginning of their rivalry. Vegas '09 for the title was another good one, especially when Reedy pushed Bubba off the track on the long sweeper outside the stadium.
i'm calling it right now: There will be no Reed vs Stewart. Reed will be a top 5 guy struggling with barcia. I predict a new Stewy and Villo rival with Villo coming out on top after stewart crashes. I suspect Dungey will be 3rd and a slew of great riders behind them. Barcia, Reed, Canard, Tickle maybe... should be one H3LL of a supercross year! can't wait!! This could be the greatest supercross season ever. I really hope everyone stays healthy.
Stewart racked up the majority of his wins when Reed was constantly chasing the yellow of RC and the green of JS. Reed always seemed to be that 3rd place guy in SX. When they actually get into it and engage in fierce battle, JS has had the upper hand. I was at the '08 Rockstar Race in Vegas. They put on a great show, before Reed crashed. Stewart keeping it on 2 wheels is nearly impossible to beat. We all know that. Sure, he's had his problems of late, but his presence always makes the races better and I hope they give it hell. Speaking of "veterans", K-Dub should not be discounted and has the skills to get in the fray!! I can't wait to let THEM SORT it out, instead of us dorks....LOL...myself included!
Kind of supriseo see how many believe JS will actually finish a series. I'd love to see it as our round doesn't occur till April and JS is usually out by then. Hope ya'll are right.
This is going to be a good year to be a SX/MX fan- stocking up beer in my prepper shelter with HD. yoints
JS and Basha, are gonna get tangled up this season more then any other two riders. CR22 will just watch and drive past and go race with the Ryans
It will definitely be a sad day when Reed, Bubba and KW leave the racing and finally hang up their boots! The Reed, Stewart battle has kept the sport exciting! As much as I've enjoyed both racers, I think the Reed had been the most consistent of all racers his entire career that being said, I have to go with Reed to be on the box in '13 love to see Stewart's creativeness and speed, but he's still not found the groove like RC used to by being a mental tactician and letting the race come to him! Reed has found that groove and lets the race come to him and not force the issue in races. Sometimes, "slow is smooth and smooth is fast", especially if you intend, "to be in it to win it!"
If the mentality in the Stewart camp doesnt change, he wont win another title simply because he wont/cant finish a season.....
His Oakley commercial speaks volumes, eh? States the mentality. Don't think Reed will win the title either, it will be one of the ryans, barcia/reed the bottom step of the podium, just saying.
hey dont sleep on Barcia he just might be a drk horse and he isnt scared. 2013 Bam Bam is gonna join the love hate club that JS been on
It's great to all conclude before the gate drops, who is on your favorite list like top 5 in the series, but given the amount of talent on the line it will be who doesnt quailfy first for the main ie: {Factory rider}.If you limit the mistakes and be consistant I think anyone could win the title. With that being said who is going to get taken out first is my question! Question # 2 who is going to press the pace and get burned first ! IT MIGHT JUST BE LAST MAN STANDING!
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RV will smoke them all the majority of the season.
CR will be consistent but won't be a winner.
RD will be a little Jr to CR. Consistent but not a winner.
JS will be upfront with RV for a few races but will most likely be on the ground like usual. Expect another "hand" injury by round 11 or 12..
JB will be crying and running away from everybody like he has been his whole career. This isn't a 6 round series with a big break in between, this is 17 races and he's not mentally strong enough for it.
TC is a nice guy but will not be a front runner. Maybe at the end of the series when he gets into the groove, but he won't be a winner. Way to much hype he hasn't been a front runner in years because of injuries, hope he makes it through the season but i doubt he will.
CR vs JS? Who cares? This isn't 2007, try thinking of original material Racerx, ever think about that? What is racerx going to do when JS7 leaves the sport? Are they prepared to not have a scapegoat?
@ bd200 Dude speakin of pussies how you gettin any with that shit pile .. LOL !
For all you who dislike/hate JS7 you need to listen to the interview provided by the link below. He is at another level with Suzuki and he gets it. he has been through more than anyone can imagine. I am a Dungey fan, a little concerned with the KTM but Dungey gets it. JS7 will dominate on his Zook wether we like it or not.
http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Chatter-Box-James-Stewart,36868/Slideshow,0/GuyB,64
Chad and James will battle over 4th and 5th place in the championship. Stamp it!
Jams the lawn dart Stewart. The number 7 really is a number 1 that has been bent by being driven into the ground head first. The story of his life. This dude must love pain.
Stewart has shown incredible speed off and on over the years,the guy has pulled some amazing feats on a racetrack.
He has also drilled himself into the ground since day one,trying to force the issue too much,too soon. Some of these crashes have left us scratching our head.
Reed used to whine a little too much for my liking,but I do respect the fact that he has been up there,and won,against some of the best.To me when your up front that often,rarely crashing,shows that you have more speed possible but are wise enough to not go there and risk it all=unlike Stewart,who has gbf (gotta be first) syndrome.
Since this supposed to be about Reed vs Stewart let me ask this one question.
If Stewart left his home to race the Grand Prix Motocross championship in Europe do you think he could win a title?
Haha you guys are funny. Just a bunch of weekend warriors running their mouths behind the keyboard.
The 'big 6'...plus Windham, Millsaps, brayton, Weimer, Short, Alessi, Tickle...who else am I missing? And maybe Tomac, Wilson and Roczen (opposite coast) occassionally? Jeez...top 10 will be a chore!
My heart woudl like to see Reedy, James or RD win it (with everyone in) so the detractors of each could eat crap. My money is on RV. Bam Bam will be exciting. And I think more mature than we expect. Hope he doesn;t get in RV's way though. Sad that my main hope for Trey is to just make it thru alive.
I made a wager with my buddy, FATCHKINS, that bubba would never be a champion again. He might be fast, fastest, whatever... But he can't finish a season. Boom. Pay me $$