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Racerhead #46

Friday, November 16, 2012 | 5:00 PM

Welcome to Racerhead. It's been quite the busy week, especially considering that this is the off-season. But it also remains the racing season in some sense—international SX races in France, Germany, and Finland—with a race coming up this weekend with the EnduroCross in Las Vegas. There's also the rapidly approaching Winter Olympiad at Gatorback Cycle Park next week in Florida, plus tonight's AMA Motorcycle Museum Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony in Las Vegas. That's where I’m headed as I write this, high above these United States on a big jet with Wi-Fi (my favorite kind of flight).

And then there's the one-man silly season that is the Saga of Dean Wilson, who's become the most prolific and creative social messenger we have seen so far in the new media era. (Last time I checked he had gone from begging for a ride with a cardboard sign at an intersection to posing in a Honda Muscle Milk race-team shirt—no idea whether he was serious with either!) There was also the very interesting look at pro motocross that will be the theme of the highly acclaimed The Moto: Inside the Outdoors series on FUEL TV that got a lot of conversations rolling this week.

But let me begin with the 2013 Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship schedule. The almost-complete list of next summer's racing went out yesterday afternoon with one new stop and one TBA. The new stop is Muddy Creek Raceway just outside of Bristol, Tennessee—the long-awaited Southeast round we have been trying to finalize for nearly four years. The new race will be the third one on the schedule, following the traditional opener on May 18 at Hangtown (California) and then May 25 at Thunder Valley (Colorado). Muddy Creek will run on June 1, to be followed by High Point on June 8. Yes, High Point is the Pennsylvania track that made the cut, meaning Steel City in Delmont will take some time off the schedule, as will Freestone in Texas.

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Justin Barcia graces the cover of the latest issue of Racer X Illustrated.
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Obviously, there were fans both excited and not-so-excited by those changes. Texas has been on the schedule for the last five years, run by a stand-up man in Tony Miller, and I like to think my own family did a good job at Steel City, which has been a regular stop since 1988. But many felt it was time to change a few things up and visit some regions that have long been overlooked, and the Southeast fans have been clambering for a race since 1997, the last year Gatorback held a race before the powers-that-be decided outdoor motocross could not start until the AMA Supercross tour ended. That meant Gatorback could no longer be a part of Bike Week, which brought a large part of the gate to that first national. So the Gatorback promoter turned it into the SX round in Tampa instead.

For what it's worth, we left on very good terms with both Freestone and Steel City and hope to maybe return to both at some point, perhaps as a part of a “revolving race” concept that's come up a time or two. I personally believe it would be very interesting to try it out with, say, High Point and Steel City, which are about 70 miles apart, but we'll see.

The next big change is one that's not quite finalized yet—the “TBA” on August 17, between Unadilla and the finale at Lake Elsinore. More on that very soon. But all told, the schedule is two weeks shorter than previous years and it has a much better travel pattern, and it will likely be as much as 1,700 miles shorter than last year's map. I know many wish it could be a straight shot across/around the country and back, but it just doesn't work that way due to the availability of dates (local communities often have long-established events that fill up all of the hotel rooms, local permits that limit when a big event can be held, and then there's traditional dates like the Hangtown opener and RedBud on the Fourth of July Weekend).

There's also the WMX, which will still be a part of a few rounds of the 2013 Lucas Oil Motocross schedule, likely toward the front of the tour. MX Sports is still working on which rounds have the time in their schedule to give the women a good spot in what's become a packed and mostly-live-on-TV afternoon.

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Muddy Creek will host its first-ever National in 2013.
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Speaking of TV, I was one of the many viewers blown away by the 2013 premiere of The Moto: Inside the Outdoors on FUEL TV. Seeing and hearing of the struggles that veterans like Josh Grant, Tommy Hahn, Kyle Chisholm, and Nico Izzi have been through as they pursue their dream of reaching the top of professional motocross was extremely compelling. Grant's opening up about what happened to most of the money he's made up to this point in his career—his mother apparently cleaned him out—was sad and provocative, as was him putting his own young son on a minicycle just after his wife said she didn't want their boy Wyatt to ever race. If you haven't seen this episode, I strongly suggest you check it out and also watch the rest of the series.

One very hot topic stemming from the show was the idea of homeschooling and how so many riders in America today choose to drop out of regular school at a young age, often leaving them with no life skills to manage whatever comes next—no matter how much success they actually earn on the racetrack. I have long been a proponent of staying in school—both of my parents were public-school teachers—and also worry about the very questions and results discussed on the show. But it's impossible to force someone else's kid to stay in school if that family elects to take the homeschool route, and you can't keep a rider from racing if he doesn't have a high-school diploma or a GED. So it's a puzzle as to what we as an industry can do to help ensure that our young athletes don't put all of their proverbial eggs in one basket (or gear bag, in this case). That's why I always suggest parents look into Andrea Leib's On-Track Learning Solutions, which specializes in moto kids and their siblings who might also be homeschooled. I am interested to hear what others may think on all of this: [email protected].

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Winter grass at Unadilla.

We're excited to announce the eight semi-finalists in the 2012 GoPro/Racer X Amateur Film Festival. More than 60 entries were submitted, and the following videographers, in no particular order, made the cut:

Kory Bard
Chris Barnes
Dayton Daft
Dillon Gwaltney
Nick Gust
Keven St-Pierre
Luke Nesler
Jeff Scott

Congratulations, guys! Round 1 is underway, and we're starting off with a battle that we'll dub the Ohio River Rivalry. To the west of this iconic body of water we find Ohio's Jeff Scott, who will be throwing down this week against West Virginia's Luke Nesler. Your votes will determine who goes to the finals and who goes home.

Remember, you can vote for your favorite entry once per day, and you can encourage your friends to vote too. Round 1 ends at 4:30 p.m. EST on Nov. 23. Watch and vote now!

For this week’s The List I wrote a piece chronicling the history of riders who won a championship and the coveted #1 plate, only to switch series or classes, get injured, or simply choose not to wear the digit. The list included names like Ricky Carmichael, James Stewart, Grant Langston, Brad Lackey, and many more. But in Europe the #1 plate is in much more dire straits, as MXLarge.com Editor Geoff Meyer pointed out to me through email earlier today:

DC,

Loved that piece on number ones.

Miss seeing the number one on World Champions bikes. Everts and Cairoli have made sure we hardly have had a number one in the MX1 class and 2007 champ Ramon wore number 11 in 2008 and 2008 champ Philippaerts wore 19 in 2010. Our World MX2 Champions have all headed to USA in the last five or so years, so Rattray 08, Musquin 09, 2010 and Roczen 2011 have we only had a number one plated World Champion with Musquin in 2010 (and once in 2011 at the USGP) and Cairoli in 2006. And Pourcel wore 377 in his defence year in 2007, while 2003 and 2004 World MX2 Champions Ramon and Townley moved to MX1 the following year......DAMN!!!!

Bring back the number One in Europe!!!

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Tony Cairoli's dominance in Europe, along with other factors, has seen the #1 plate go missing in action in Europe.
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Okay, I am running out of battery and internet time as we get ready to land, so here's Steve Matthes, who just returned from the Paris Supercross, which was won by Monster Energy Kawasaki's Jake Weimer:

Bercy is gone and next up is the EnduroCross right here in Las Vegas this weekend at the Orleans Hotel and Casino. If you’ve never checked an EX out, you’ve got to make it over and see the spectacle that is EnduroCross. Some of the best riders in the world are there and the logs, water crossings, and boulders all make them look like, well, you and me out there.

And of course Mike Brown will be there. He’s second in the EX points behind Taddy Blazusiak and currently racing the Baja 500 down in Mexico. Then he’s going to Las Vegas to race EX, and you know he’s going to be at the newly announced Muddy Creek National next year. Mike Brown, courtesy of Michelin’s Randy Richardson, has the nickname “Muddy Creek Assassin,” and it’s for a reason, folks. Mike Brown is, to just narrow it down real easily, a man.

DC’s touched on the new national venue(s), so I don’t need to get into that—looking forward to a change, to be honest. Anyone who listens to my podcasts or reads my stuff knows that I’m all about switching things up, trying new things out, and seeing if we can improve the sport. Tony Miller at Freestone has done a hell of a job over the years with the facility, and who knows—maybe he’ll be back as a national one day. I know the relief from the heat will be nice for the teams and especially the riders.

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Taddy Blazusiak is looking to seal the deal on another EndurCross title this weekend in Vegas.
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The rumor mill is churning about Dean Wilson, and as I wrote here a couple of weeks ago, going back to his old team Monster Pro Circuit makes a lot of sense on so many different levels. And from what I hear, it looks likely that is what is going to happen. Dean loves the Kawasaki, he loves Monster, and Mitch Payton, as we all know, runs one of the best teams in the pits. Why not go back there? Rumors have it that Wilson will run 250 SX and outdoors 450 MX, which I hear is the same plan for Tyla Rattray.

Of course Payton has Justin Hill (currently injured), Martin Davalos, Blake Baggett (currently injured), Darryn Durham (currently injured), also on the team, so Wilson and Rattray make six riders in a truck for the outdoors. This is why I hear there may be a separate truck for Wilson and Rattray for motocross, and this makes sense as well. Could this be the Pro Circuit 450 team we’ve always heard rumored? Well, for half the year anyway. The guys at PC like Aaron Johnson and Zach White have worked hard on the 450 and we saw how well Broc Tickle did last season in motocross—maybe, due to the JWR team sort of folding, Pro Circuit is looking at a couple of really great riders to compete in MX alongside their always powerful 250 team.

And by the way, Dean is playing this up on Twitter pretty awesome. It’s funny to see, but in a way it’s a pain in the butt for a media guy when I get emails and tweets flooding in about what he’s doing after he tweets a photo of him in a Honda shirt.

And me being a former mechanic and quite possibly the only guy in the media who cares about this stuff, what is Wilson’s ex-mechanic Paul Perebjinos going to do now if this happens? Paul switched over to Baggett after Wilson’s departure, and now with Dean potentially coming back, who does Paul work for? I don’t know why I care. I just do.

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Is Dean Wilson on his way back to Pro Circuit?
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Speaking of mechanics, Baggett’s ex-wrench Shawn Irwin is now at GEICO and was at Bercy with his new guy Wil Hahn, and I have to say, these guys are already super tight. Bicycling buddies, sightseeing buddies, and lots of chemistry between the two already started. In these days of semis and mechanics not working as closely as they used to with riders, maybe it doesn’t matter all that much, but Hahn and Irwin are really getting along great. Must have been weird for Shawn to pull on the GEICO Honda shirt at first, though.

Thanks to Irwin, Hahn, Jake Weimer, Wiggles, Justin Brayton, Peppermint Patty, Kyle and Brittney Chisholm, Eli, John and Kathy Tomac, Gothic Jay (wait, no thanks to him), and Tyler and Dan Villopoto for putting up with me at Bercy. I basically just went from pit to pit making jokes and bothering them all weekend long. Good times indeed, and extra thanks to Brayton for buying my pizza on Sunday night. Suck it, Weege.

Now on to some random notes to end the week:

This week, in addition to the brand new January issue that's now available on iTunes, we have updated our online catalog to include the January 2012 through June 2012 back issues. These issues are fully functional with video, hot links, and all the great features and columns from the first part of the year. If you missed them, you can get them now.

Download the app and update your library today! And don't forget, you can gift a subscription to your special someone who owns, or is getting, an iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad this holiday season. The Racer X magazine app will soon be available for Android devices as well.

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Last month Frank Hoppen was badly injured while riding mountain bikes with his son when a motorcycle rider hit Frank as he was crossing the road near his home in Southern California. Hoppen has a great deal of friends from all over the world in the motocross industry, and his wife Mary recently posted an update about his condition:

We are truly amazed and so thankful for all the love, kindness and support that has been coming and we are all so very thankful!

So how is he doing? Let's just say he took a real hard hit and tumble in this bike accident and is once again facing a difficult and long uphill battle in his life -- maybe even the hardest one so far yet... He is very much banged up with lots of injuries to way too many parts of him in various degrees of seriousness. With smiles in our hearts we can tell you that he is no longer in critical condition and awake. He recognizes us and amazes us every day with new improvements and developments. It really is too early to say as to what the bottom line will be for him... Time will tell and teach all of us patience. And patience is what we will need, most of all our bike boy in question.

Then again, we are talking about Frank. The master of all challenge and Mr. Motivation himself. A man who has seen adversity before and given it his best. We have no doubt, that he will try to do just that again -- pushing himself as hard as possible.

Everyone at Racer X Online wishes the absolute best to Frank and his family; our thoughts and prayers are with them.

Also a get-well-soon to our managing editor, Andrew Fredrickson, who smashed his leg on a rock the size of Rhode Island and broke his tiba and fibula last week in Mexico while on assignment with Chase Stallo and Jordan Roberts. After around five hours in the trails, the Mexican Army was kind enough to send a Humvee to help escort him out. Andrew had to spend the next two days in Mexico before flying back to the States, where he underwent surgery to have a 10” rod and four screws inserted in his leg yesterday afternoon. He is now at home recovering and probably asking why we put this photo of him in Racerhead.

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David Vuillemin practices his turntable(tops) at LeBlack, the new club he's opening in France.

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MX Bob wrote: 5:38pm November 16, 2012

That was funny that Wilson had people believing now only that he was on a Muscle Milk Honda, but they were making a 350 that he was going to race. If the racing thing doesn't work out, he could get a job at The Onion.

Since when was Hangtown the "traditional" opener? In it's history, it's only been the opener a fraction of it's events, maybe 7 of 30 whatever.

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AC89 wrote: 5:56pm November 16, 2012

50 states, yet CA, PA, and at times NY have had 2 national each of a 12 round series. That just ain't right. Good changes, needs to happen more often. Maybe nationals should be 5 year commitments per track, with a goal of mixing things up more and bringing races to more parts of the country. CA shouldn't get all the races...

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groomer wrote: 6:15pm November 16, 2012

Man that picture of Andrew in the hospital bed conjures up bad memories. That urinal hanging from the rail is actually a good sign - no catheter!

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bd200 wrote: 6:15pm November 16, 2012

@AC89--I do not like the idea of a revolving schedule., For one thing. Red Bud should never lose that race.. It has the largest crowd of the entire schedule, the best fans, and about 90% of the racers say its the best track.. So is it fair to take it off the schedule for a track as bad as say Freestone?? That track stinks.. Its a glorified supercross track built in a flat field.. I'm sure the people running it are great, but the track isnt.. Bu7t I do think the promoters are too worried about having races in California, its not necassary to have a race there..

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fred wrote: 6:55pm November 16, 2012

I don't think Davey touched on where the TBA race might be.Maybe it's Glen Helen.Give CA.three outdoor races to go along with their five supercrosses.

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jamesecox wrote: 7:04pm November 16, 2012

bd200 Have you ever rode Freestone? Didnt think so..... Steelcity should be gone forever, bad dirt, no concept of prepping or parking just all bad. Texas has to big of a MX sceen to ignore. Bum deal for WMX, I guess all the sloww sour grape homo's won. To all the woman riders keep rippen, someday the series may fall into competant hands, thanks for the fun we have enjoyed competimg against you all.

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Leon Oil Jr. wrote: 7:08pm November 16, 2012

@Kookaburra Liquorice, not heard about him since the John Dowd's interview, at least it should be more comfortable now, it's a normal thing over there ...

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mxsp17 wrote: 7:13pm November 16, 2012

Glad I am in Central Cali!Suck it!
I agree Vully Vully should stay in France.
I heard Indiana or Utah for the new National.
Don't mess with Hangtown,oldest track to hold a National.

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spud317 wrote: 7:24pm November 16, 2012

Hangtown is not the oldest track in the series. It hasn't even been at the same location the whole time. Unadilla maybe, but not the current Hangtown.

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corndog wrote: 7:59pm November 16, 2012

For what it's worth, Hangtown is an event and not a location. The Hangtown event is currently held at Prairie City SVRA.

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SeminalMx wrote: 8:00pm November 16, 2012

haha Vuillemin

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Outlaw53 wrote: 8:15pm November 16, 2012

The scuttlebutt has the new race in Indiana, just outside Indy. They were building the track during the most recent GNCC race there.

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wrench wrote: 8:26pm November 16, 2012

I can't believe that Freestone is gone- the second biggest moto community in the country has lost- Professional motocross is about grit and attrition, and it's pretty sad when the "industry" thinks it's "too hot" This is a top notch facility very close to a top ten major city in a thriving moto community with great attendance- this sucks....

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Graz11 wrote: 8:31pm November 16, 2012

If they can get a national for the southeast ,if you want to call Tennessee the southeast then they should get a supercross for the Northeast,Mid-Atlantic.I don't think we need two Anaheim's.

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JimboMX374 wrote: 12:36am November 17, 2012

DC ........
I have an idea, how about you do something for the riders, like uh I don't know............
The payouts and the SX track designs !
JimM
Pala374

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VooDoo wrote: 2:05am November 17, 2012

The SE track choice is what?

Many would argue that the place is not even close to the best in the SE USA.

Any details about the determining factors in regards to this questionable decision?


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fred wrote: 8:33am November 17, 2012

@VooDoo it has to do with a track being able to have parking for 75 Big rigs and thousands of cars.Acess to Motels etc.Listen to the DMXS radio replay with Davey .He tells all about it.

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meankx wrote: 9:26am November 17, 2012

Don't mess with Unadilla!!! seems like it's one of the few REAL mx track on our schedule! Also, we need sx in ny or nj. If dilla gets about 40000 people, sx should be good, with proper marketing of course

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RCRDDW wrote: 11:41am November 17, 2012

DC don't sweat the changes! You could have 3 SX races in Atlanta. Bristol will draw huge crowds. Bring more races to the southeast and you won't regret it. I'm gonna drive 4 1/2 hours from NC to get to Bristol and I'd be willing to drive to GA or AL as well. Motorcross needs the SEC type environment that can only come from the DIRTY SOUTH!

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reality wrote: 3:03pm November 17, 2012

California definitely should lose some races , Its crazy , to much ,3 anaheims alone ? I agree that red bud should be left alone. I live in between high point and steel city . I also think red bud is the best one. HIgh point and steel city are classic tracks . I can see steel city taking a break though , budds creek is good. I agree that the southwest needs an outdoor. they arent doing shabby at all in the supercross department though. I guess if they rotate thru them so they never really lose these tracks is cool, If a track was every other year i could see the turnouts growing , since you would have to wait longer to go again .To be honest as far as outdoors go I think the cali tracks are my least favorite to watch on tv anyhow. the dirt looks like it sucks

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reality wrote: 3:05pm November 17, 2012

Glenn Helen was probably the best one cause it had huge elevation changes. Elsinore sucks .Hope the rest of the lake dries up lol

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bd200 wrote: 3:06pm November 17, 2012

@meankx--Too bad Unadilla does not get 40,000 people at the race.. The most attended race of the year every year is Red Bud, and it gets close to 40,000 but not quite.. Unadilla isnt getting that many there... Not that they dont draw great crowds, just not that many.. But I do agree that the area deserves a supercross.. The Dome in Syracuse would be perfect, if the powers that be who control the Dome would allow it.. It has been offered once, the Dome people said No Way. According to DC....

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JimboMX374 wrote: 3:30pm November 17, 2012

re reality..

Elsinore is mos def no GH but they ponied up DC's ah "fees" unlike GH and Pala. Lets see how long they want to make 2% on their investment.

Cali will continue to get those races as long as the gate is there. That's why I'm calling out DC to increase the rider payout. He's packing some stadiums but cant shake loose some $. BS.

How about a set amount for purses plus a % of the gate and TV $ and how about rolling over a portiion of that revenue into the MX purses.

DC ?

JimM
Pala374

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CR500AF wrote: 4:30pm November 17, 2012

@JimboMX374

"That's why I'm calling out DC to increase the rider payout. He's packing some stadiums but cant shake loose some $. BS."


Ahh - Feld runs SX. DC runs the nationals. I don't think Feld is sharing any of the SX revenue to benefit MX.

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mxsp17 wrote: 5:15pm November 17, 2012

I agree with someone on Vital(NOT A VITARD HERE).$2.50 PER TICKET SOLD goes to rider payout.Hell a 16oz. beer costs 10 bucks,hot dog.7.bucks.Sounds good to me!

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VooDoo wrote: 7:14pm November 17, 2012

@ fred

While I appreciate your reply, my point was that a third-rate (at best) track in TN is not the only place in the SE USA with the right logistics ....


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blockpass wrote: 2:12am November 18, 2012

I know its unfair that we have so many races out here in northern mexico, but if you write your local politician maybe they will re distribute some races your way. If you guys get really lucky Gov. Brown will just tax them out of the state.

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reality wrote: 5:15pm November 18, 2012

yeah that rider payout comment is obviously from someone who doesnt know anything.Im sure if the money was there they would help them out some, Those vendors get charged alot of money to set up there , So by the time they pay the track and themselves what is left?nothing, Whats killing the industry at its core is 4 strokes and the rider format, You should be able to race a 250 two stroke in the lites class!! I know in amateurs they allow it. The economy isnt good and dirtbikes , racing go up in price.. How long can it sustain?

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Moto wrote: 6:27pm November 18, 2012

LOL "Southeast"... Funny.

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JimboMX374 wrote: 6:38pm November 18, 2012

re reality

The tracks pay MX Sports Mr know it all. Do your homework on what MX Sports
dicates to the tracks Eintstein.

JmM
Pala374

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Marko wrote: 9:22pm November 18, 2012

If you ask me, Tennessee is not south. (spoken from central Ohio)

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motorhead620 wrote: 9:26pm November 18, 2012

Indiana + 2
Too bad thats the same weekend as the Summer Bummer @ Roselawn,In

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Aaron Hansel wrote: 1:13am November 19, 2012

Jim M,

It seems as though you are suggesting that DC and MX Sports are associated with the Monster Energy Supercross series. The SX series is run/promoted by Feld Motorsports. The only professional series that MX Sports is associated with is the Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship, aka, The Nationals. MX Sports has no control over Monster Energy Supercross.

-Aaron

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B-KR wrote: 7:19am November 19, 2012

As a fan with about 4 or 5 of the Nationals within an 8 hour drive, I agree with those questioning the idea that Bristol TN is "Southeastern" but it is closer than others have been. However, a large segment of the country just lost the only National within a 2-day drive (Texas). I understand the logistics involved with the choice, but at the same time wonder about this TBA date. If it is true that a track is being built in Indiana as seen at a GNCC, that sounds like it will be another venue operated by the MX Sports family. If the new date is in Indy, I just gained another track that falls within the 10-hour drive category, and in fact, I can probably reach Bristol in 12 hours. I'm not complaining, but I do feel bad for those that have zero Nationals within any sort of a decent driveable distance. I do know the feeling as I've got a haul to see a SX race, but gotta admit I'd take one close National in exchange for 6 SX races close by.

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B-KR wrote: 7:35am November 19, 2012

JimboMx:

You commented on TV $ and from what I understand the TV carrier is paid by MXSports to carry the Nationals, not the other way around. You also commented on filling stadiums which others have pointed out has NOTHING to do with DC, MXSports, or the Nationals. I agree rider payout should be higher but just making a correction on what money is available to do so. Money is available, and I agree that those in charge on both ends need to step up a little there, but they're all doing this to make money, and can't step up all that much before they ask themsleves if is worth doing.

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carlsbad wrote: 11:31am November 19, 2012

The promoters hold the keys to the car but, without clowns, there is no circus.

I'm so anti-union it's crazy, but sometimes evil is needed to fight evil. Maybe a rider's union is ready to be discussed. Will it cost more money? Absolutely! But promotion (managment) will have to acknowledge talent's (labor) contribution and begin to compensate them fairly.

.......and we all thought $10 beers was expensive..............

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Langston_fan wrote: 4:12am November 20, 2012

If motocross truly is a small community, then what value added does tv coverage honestly bring? Racing fans would be more encouraged to go to the stadiums if there was no tv coverage, and would buy the brands they see in the magazines ANYWAYS. Is the TV coverage just a prestige thing? I mean look how it was done back in early 90s. I always had to wait for the season review tapes to come out (1990 SX best season of all time by the way). I honestly don't watch supercross or motocross because I want to see the latest results, that's a nice luxury or bonus, but I watch because I love to see racing. I still watch my favourite races/racers from the past over and over. And I enjoy these inside the moto shows. From taking a big big step back (ok maybe too big and can't see 'it' anymore cause Im so far away), I think there is too much being spent on making the perfect road show and not enough on the circus act (to quote someone above). I think we were all happy to see our sport become more "important" with MC bringing new sponsors etc.. but lets face it, this growth only serves the top 5 riders. Is this right? Do we want to see a 5 rider race? Would that fill stadiums?

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