by Adam Wheeler
Racer X Race Report: MXoN
Sunday, September 30, 2012 | 5:25 PM
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PrintIt had to happen eventually, and with the 66th Motocross of Nations occurring in the rippling mass of sand that is Lommel in Belgium Team USA saw the second longest streak of their peerless Chamberlain trophy ownership come to an end. On this heavy battlefield of ruts and bumps it was Germany who recorded their first triumph only two years after they made the top three for the first time in the history of the contest at Thunder Valley. The trio of Ken Roczen (the best MX2 rider for the third year in a row), Max Nagl (in his farewell as a factory KTM rider after almost a decade in orange) and Marcus Schiffer (the 2012 German MX1 Champion) defeated Belgium on home turf and the defending champs in a typically fraught and dramatic programme.
Lommel was packed with fans, different languages and colours and thankfully the Belgian sunshine was particularly generous. After qualification on Saturday the fast layout was clearly a happy domain for FIM World Champions Tony Cairoli (Italy) and Jeffrey Herlings (eighteen years old and undefeated on Dutch sand in three years of GP racing) with lap-times three-four seconds quicker and it would be clear that Team USA would need a solid card of results and then have to look to race incidents to try and make the difference over the Belgians and Germans that boasted perhaps the only set of trios that could make the same consistency as Dungey, Barcia and Baggett.
Baggett and Team USA would finish third at Lommel, stopping USA's winning streak at seven.
Ray Archer photo
The moto victories were convincing and predictable. Cairoli took two of the races to end 2012 as the fastest and best racer this side of the Atlantic, and Herlings lapped up to sixth position in the second moto. The anticipated duel between the Red Bull KTM pair didn’t really materialise in the final MX1 and MX Open match-up as Herlings tumbled in the first section and had to demonstrate his prowess in the sand by returning from the rear of the pack to second place and then hack into an eighteen second lead by the Sicilian. He almost made it to the rear wheel of the ‘46’ machine but ran out of puff in the last four laps and Cairoli had enough in reserve to keep a small cushion.
So with Italy and Holland posting enough points to skirt the fringes of the podium it was left to the three protagonist countries to organise themselves in positions of honour.
All three of Team USA’s riders got a closer look at the sand than they would have preferred. Ryan Dungey swapped-off the KTM exiting the waves at the end of the first moto and was lucky to escape unscathed. An off-track excursion in the second race created his 7-9 results. Baggett was perhaps the rider who adapted best to the smooth rhythm demanded by the terrain by the second half of both of his motos and his sixth at the second attempt was far better than the fourteenth he originally posted. The AMA champ was still lapped by Herlings. It was left to Barcia to provide extra exhilaration. On the CRF450R the Nations rookie clashed with Belgium’s Ken De Dycker in his first moto and to his credit completed the rest of the distance with broken wheel spokes until the front end finally locked on the last lap and he luckily slid his way into the pit-lane. The quick remedy to get the SX champ back on the sand kept the U.S. in the hunt and saved 16 points from what could have been a DNF. Barcia’s third place in the final sprint was the best of the day for Team USA who were effectively handed an education in the sand at Lommel and almost admitted as much afterwards.
Cairoli lead Italy to a fifth place finish.
Ray Archer photo
Holland saw their chances of champagne ebb away as Marc de Reuver crashed in the second moto in the same incident as Herlings and the Dutch had already used their ‘joker’ with Glen Coldenhoff’s DNF due to a broken clutch lever. Belgium also had to trash a mechanical failure as Jeremy Van Horebeek’s KTM expired and he joined fellow MX2 rider and brand-mate Great Britain’s Jake Nicholls on the sidelines. Italy’s Alex Lupino broke a thumb ligament in the pre-event karting race on Friday night and only six more positions up from his 25th in the second moto would have elevated the team onto the box as Davide Guarneri’s fine 5-13 played an apt understudy to Cairoli. “I’m really happy to win the overall and both races but I’m also really disappointed about the result with Italy,” said the MX1 Champion. “I thought we could finish on the podium but unfortunately with the injury to Lupino we could not make it again. I’ve ridden the Nations a lot of times but never been that close.”
France relied on Gautier Paulin to provide their firepower and the Kawasaki rider continues to shine on the Nations stage (victories in 2009 and 2011) by taking a fine second to Cairoli in the first moto. Paulin suffered a hefty crash in his second try but it was Musquin’s 11th place in Moto2 and Xavier Boog’s haul of 16-19 that pushed them to the second page of the results sheets in sixth.
Jeffrey Herlings' moto win wasn't enough to get the Netherlands on the podium.
Ray Archer photo
Props to Estonia’s Tanel Leok with a 4-2 representing perhaps his most profitable outing on the factory Rockstar Suzuki in 2012 and pushed his country to seventh ahead of Great Britain with Max Anstie’s climb from outside the top twenty to ninth spot in Moto2 the highlight for the trio that included an effective but distant Searle and Nicholls delivering a best of 16th in MX2.
Lommel was a milestone for Germany almost a year before the 2013 edition will travel to the undulations of the Teutschenthal hard-pack and home ground next September. With Roczen and co. wearing the red number plates and the 1-2-3 digits it will be another bumper spectacle in a zone of Europe that is currently experiencing a hot flush with the sport. For Team USA Belgium was hard, educational and ultimately beneficial. There is nothing to replenish motivation and refuel desire than three bronze medals after so many golds.
Roczen helped lead Germany to the overall win at Lommel.
Ray Archer
Race 1 - MX1/MX2
1. Antonio Cairoli (ITA, KTM), 34:26.888;
2. Gautier Paulin (FRA, Kawasaki), +0:21.182;
3. Maximilian Nagl (GER, KTM), +0:28.933;
4. Clement Desalle (BEL, Suzuki), +0:38.741;
5. Ken Roczen (GER, KTM), +0:40.180;
6. Evgeny Bobryshev (RUS, Honda), +1:05.036;
7. Ryan Dungey (USA, KTM), +1:11.286;
8. Tommy Searle (GBR, Kawasaki), +1:38.040;
9. Marc de Reuver (NED, Kawasaki), +1:42.851;
10. Jeremy van Horebeek (BEL, KTM), +1:44.824;
11. Joshua Coppins (NZL, Yamaha), +1:59.621;
12. Rui Goncalves (POR, Honda), +2:00.412;
13. Martin Barr (IRL, Suzuki), +2:20.617;
14. Blake Baggett (USA, Kawasaki), -1 lap(s);
15. Glenn Coldenhoff (NED, KTM), -1 lap(s);
16. Jake Nicholls (GBR, KTM), -1 lap(s);
17. Gert Krestinov (EST, Honda), -1 lap(s);
18. Alexander Tonkov (RUS, Honda), -1 lap(s);
19. Marvin Musquin (FRA, KTM), -1 lap(s);
20. Priit Rätsep (EST, KTM), -1 lap(s);
21. Lawson Bopping (AUS, Yamaha), -1 lap(s);
22. Roberts Justs (LAT, Honda), -1 lap(s);
23. Irwin Graeme (IRL, Yamaha), -1 lap(s);
24. Kim Lindstrom (SWE, Kawasaki), -1 lap(s);
25. Stefan Kjer Olsen (DEN, Suzuki), -1 lap(s);
26. Luke Styke (AUS, Yamaha), -1 lap(s);
27. Tim Gajser (SLO, KTM), -1 lap(s);
28. Davis Ivanovs (LAT, Kawasaki), -2 lap(s);
29. Kim Oiva Jarva (NOR, Honda), -2 lap(s);
30. Matevz Irt (SLO, Suzuki), -2 lap(s);
31. Teemu Lehtinen (FIN, Kawasaki), -2 lap(s);
32. Karl Olsson (SWE, Honda), -2 lap(s);
33. Paulo Alberto (POR, Honda), -2 lap(s);
34. Kayne Lamont (NZL, KTM), -2 lap(s);
35. Jeremy Seewer (SUI, Suzuki), -2 lap(s);
36. Even Heibye (NOR, KTM), -5 lap(s);
37. Alessandro Lupino (ITA, Husqvarna), -16 lap(s);
38. Nicolai Hansen (DEN, Suzuki), -17 lap(s);
Clement Desalle and Belgium finished second on home soil.
Ray Archer photo
Race 2 - MX2/Open
1. Jeffrey Herlings (NED, KTM), 34:41.619;
2. Tanel Leok (EST, Suzuki), +0:58.141;
3. Ken de Dycker (BEL, KTM), +1:00.358;
4. Ken Roczen (GER, KTM), +1:48.464;
5. Davide Guarneri (ITA, KTM), +2:27.689;
6. Blake Baggett (USA, Kawasaki), -1 lap(s);
7. Marcus Schiffer (GER, Suzuki), -1 lap(s);
8. Todd Waters (AUS, Suzuki), -1 lap(s);
9. Max Anstie (GBR, Honda), -1 lap(s);
10. Xavier Boog (FRA, Kawasaki), -1 lap(s);
11. Marvin Musquin (FRA, KTM), -1 lap(s);
12. Alexander Tonkov (RUS, Honda), -1 lap(s);
13. Luis Correia (POR, Yamaha), -1 lap(s);
14. Justin Barcia (USA, Honda), -1 lap(s);
15. Priit Rätsep (EST, KTM), -1 lap(s);
16. Filip Bengtsson (SWE, KTM), -1 lap(s);
17. Cody Cooper (NZL, Suzuki), -1 lap(s);
18. Karl Olsson (SWE, Honda), -1 lap(s);
19. Stefan Kjer Olsen (DEN, Suzuki), -1 lap(s);
20. Luke Styke (AUS, Yamaha), -1 lap(s);
21. Paulo Alberto (POR, Honda), -2 lap(s);
22. Irwin Graeme (IRL, Yamaha), -2 lap(s);
23. Tim Gajser (SLO, KTM), -2 lap(s);
24. Roberts Justs (LAT, Honda), -2 lap(s);
25. Alessandro Lupino (ITA, Husqvarna), -2 lap(s);
26. Lauris Freibergs (LAT, Honda), -2 lap(s);
27. Stuart Edmonds (IRL, Suzuki), -2 lap(s);
28. Jeremy Seewer (SUI, Suzuki), -2 lap(s);
29. Klemen Gercar (SLO, Honda), -2 lap(s);
30. Magne Klingsheim (NOR, KTM), -2 lap(s);
31. Evgeny Mikhaylov (RUS, Suzuki), -2 lap(s);
32. Teemu Lehtinen (FIN, Kawasaki), -2 lap(s);
33. Kayne Lamont (NZL, KTM), -2 lap(s);
34. Niko Koskela (FIN, Kawasaki), -9 lap(s);
35. Valentin Guillod (SUI, KTM), -10 lap(s);
36. Jake Nicholls (GBR, KTM), -11 lap(s);
37. Kasper Lynggaard (DEN, Kawasaki), -13 lap(s);
38. Jeremy van Horebeek (BEL, KTM), -15 lap(s);
39. Glenn Coldenhoff (NED, KTM), -17 lap(s);
Germany celebrates their Motocross of Nations win.
Ray Archer photo
Race 3 - MX1/Open
Full results have not been posted
1. Antonio Cairoli
2. Jeffrey Herlings
4. Tanel Leok
5. ken deDycker
6. Max Nagl
7. Clement Desalle
8. Gautier Paulin
9. Ryan Dungey
10. Rui Goncalves
Nations Classification
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Germany – 25pts
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Belgium – 29pts
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United States – 39pts
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Netherlands – 44pts
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Italy – 45pts
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France – 47pts
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Estonia – 56pts
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Great Britain – 56pts
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Portugal – 80pts
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Australia – 83pts
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Russia – 93pts
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Sweden – 103pts
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Ireland – 106pts
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Latvia – 120pts
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New Zealand – 127pts
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Slovenia – 134pts
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Hi René :)
For being the question mark on the USDN team, Barcia would've had the best day overall if it wasn't for the wheel problem in the first moto.
Renè from Iraq is back, Alleluja
I don't want anyone to overlook the fine effort the CMA did in it's usual participation in the biggest race in motocross, if not all motorcycling. C'mon, Canada, get your $#!% together!
Woulda shoulda coulda...We'll be back...
Congrats to Germany, Belgium, and Team USA
We got schooled in the art of deep sand riding...fortunalety, the MXoN will not be a Lommel again...
Before any pecker-head's start trashin my buddy Dungey, he's still a beast, and I'd love to see some more of the Europeans come race the indoors and outdoors season against him. I know it's a team effort and we shouldn't single people out but he's one of the best things coming out of the U.S right now. Class, hard-working, damn fast, and an all around great guy. Keep it up Dungey, let's get that monster million now!
JTV777: Well said friend.
All I can say is RV, RD and ET will D O M I N A T E in 2013!!!!!
@JTV777 on the same note a few more Americans over to Europe would be brilliant too. Was good to see the likes of Osborne fitting in some SX races on the East Coast before the GP's started and Roczen racing the final GP in Germany.
I hope now this shows how deep the talent is over this side of the Atlantic and when people like Roczen / Musquin don't start winning as soon as they get to America like they were in Europe. It's because they have to adapt to different environments / tracks.
I hear that we can't ride in THAT sand because we don't have it here in the U.S. Well neither did Jeff Stanton and he rode the wheels of his CR500!
Some said the US was going to get schooled in the deep sand. Most on here reacted with bold arrogance at the thought of the US losing to the European riders and stated that the European riders were soft and had no chance.
I congratulate the guys that rode well and won. This actually makes next year more interesting. I don’t think RV or Stewart would have made any difference in the outcome. I think this shows us there are some very good European riders. The US riders all had great seasons and have nothing to be ashamed about.
"...Roczen / Musquin don't start winning as soon as they get to America like they were in Europe. It's because they have to adapt to different environments / tracks."
I agree but the difference is this: Nobody over here WANTS to ride full time over there. We KNOW we have the best tracks and the best riders in the world. We gain nothing by going over there and learning how to ride in a s---hole. Trust me, our top guys could start kicking butt if they rode over there for a few months.
Just for the fun of saying " what if" Noone has talked about Barcia seemingly having a good grip on second or at least third when he locked horns with K D D and lost his spokes. Barcia was in 2nd slowed down to save the bike and was running an easy 5th only to lose front wheel and get 14th.Take that 14 give him 2nd . thats 12 points from 39 = 27 and would have gained a pt on K ROC giving Germany 26. The USA got our asses handed to us but were not that far out of it as a team if Barcia showed a bit of maturity and patience. just my humble opinion. A great ride for third in the final moto btw.
To "RCRDDW": that thing "best in the world" it's like a fart in your head, usa top riders don't ride WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP at full time because they will finish in almost races in 8, 9, 10 or worst and then "best in the world" don't be apply by peolpe like you!
After the euros give you a lesson today, you are still arrogant! your tracks is like nascar track... boring!! It´s a shame Cairoli don't race in ama series... maybe you learn like be humble!!
avj26.... WOW! Easy buddy. I have fart in my head right now!I agree that the euro stuff is way rougher and harder to ride. I 'm also going to say that the u.s did not send it's best available outdoors team either. But good win to Germany. Nice to see it being mixed up a little. Maybe the u.s will send over some suzukis to win it back.
usa suck should have picked js7
Congratulations to Germany and Belgium and those insanely fast sand racers of Europe. Well deserved IMO and a good lesson for all of us to never underestimate the raw talent that is out there. I hope Herlings and Cairoli come to the US one day and give it a try, they will be very well respected here in North America.
Congrats Germany ! Our guys were humble- we make no excuses, that is a difference with US and others. But by the records, we still the best bitc-hes
Afj26_ u soft n the head bro
some of these guys are getting a little carried away if you guys think that race would have played out the same on any other surface than the sand dunes of belguim you are nuts herlings and cairolli only lap people in sand like that because nobody else is confident enough and have ridden it long enough to ride it wide open the way they do even you guys know the races that dont happen in sand on your GP circuit dont play out the same with them lapping up into the top ten
herlings nor cairolli could come into our boys backyard and dominate them the way they did in theirs
Do people forget the US has won the previuos 7 MXON and only 2 of those of races held on US tracks and the rest on Euro tracks so they have beaten the euros on there home tracks quite a bit actually. They realized the only way to actually beat the US was to handicap them by having it at a track that only euros ride and practice on everyday. How did Roczen do in the US this year, oh thats right he won only 1 moto and im pretty sure he beat Herlings last year in the GPs, so I dont think Herlings is this crazy fast rider except for on sand. Herlings and Cairoli would be lucky to crack the top 5 in the US.
I guess the "current racers are faster than the old guys" argument is over. LaPorte and O'Mara schooled the 2012 team. I wasn't naive enought to think we'd run away with it but getting lapped is pretty disappointing.
Our boys got lapped and thats disgraceful!
The USA had some tough luck, not very often you see Dungey crash, but all 3 had sand samples, they did well to finish 3rd considering the euros ride on that crap all the time, I can hardly wait for Euromike to put his 2 cents in! LMAO!
Just like Kroc 4th in AMA, 3rd ain't bad for a sand race for US in mxdn
Don't like it? F. Unuchmike
@RCRDDW your arrogance is staggering. Do you even follow the GP's? Or just hear about the Euro's at Des Nations and get all wild about 'merica and shit? Ride in a shit hole? Have you even left the states?
I do agree racing in the states has more appeal to a lot of riders but as far as it being anything to do with sub standard tracks / lack of pace thats not the case. It's basically the SX which has the draw to it. I've only been to one national at Glen Helen but it looked like a local club race in comparison to the GP's. Was really disappointing as far as the whole event was, size-wise / fun partying. Racing was pretty awesome to be fair.
Ryan-f-off , u know nothing b-tch. After watching the races I am changing my opinion, we had some bad luck, US should have won. Euros still suck!
Oh well, can't win them all, but proud of 2/3 of the US riders that went to represent. Not happy with the choice of 'Barge-in-on-ya' to be a team member, but who am I to judge; not being a Judge.
Congratulations Team Germany and Team Belgium as well as to Cairoli- all earned it! Very apparent that USA needed some more deep sand training to compete as our times were far slower than needed to win. Better luck next year and look forward to USA bringing the trophy back home again!
That was some serious bad luck for our boys, but I'm glad for Team Germany. Anyone who knew anything said Cairoli and Herlings would crush it. Cairoli beating Herlings was the silver lining, though. I was happy with that. Next year, there's always next year.
Wow, had a bad feeling when the USA choked away the Ryder cup today and let the Euros come back and win.
Congrats to Cairoli who finally got his MXN wins. Herlings rode great and made the sand look easy.
Obviously we struggled with the track but it is really no surprise. We ride nothing like that stateside and thank GOD for that. That track is seriously ugly, looks like it would be a boring as hell spectator venue and is flat as can be.Sorry guys, calling it like I see it on TV
Euros won fair and square but that one race at that one off track, say nothing about the best riders in the world, skill or speed. It says only that some guys are really fast at Lommel, that one of a kind place.
Dungey had a tough day and I guess the pressure of the load he was shouldering got the best of him. Happens to everybody once in a while. So the guy is human after all.
Euromike, your INTERNATIONAL team won Cairoli, K-Roc and Herlings that is.. Pick the Euro's enough times (every yea)r and you are bound to win....eventually. On that note, I say USA kills again in 2013!
One thing i have learn is anything can happen. I really was confident USA would win easy. I just didnt see anyone with a 3 rider team as good as we had. Unfortunately the terrain made the difference. Im sure Alessi was glad he didnt go bcoz that was physically so demanding. Pretty sure RD, Bagget and Barcia wont sit on any bike this whole week. Its recovery.
I watched the race tonight and was amazed how rough the track is. I don't think anyone from here would even come close to being prepared for what track had to offer. Cairoli and Herlings diffenetly owned everyone today. I am glad they had a chance to show their stuff today. Hopefully Team USA will be ready for Germany come 2013.
avj26, you are a douche. Our guy would be lucky to finish 8, 9, or tenth in every race? Not sure how much you follow motocross but we have won this event the last 7 years, and 5 of those were on GP tracks. Also you do realize most of the previous world champions have decided to come over to race the AMA nationals, and for the most part have struggled to win. So stop posting like an idiot.
Congrats to Germany and Belgium for 1st and 2nd. USA can't win them all, and sooner or later streaks have to come to an end. Lommel is a beast of a track and the sand specialists showed how to ride it today. Congrats to team USA, although you are expected to win, 3rd is still a podium, especially considering Barcias busted wheel and RD's crash. Any other country would be happy with a podium, although it does have to be a bit disappointing considering the pressure of being expected to win. We gave it our best but it just was not good enough to get the job done today. I do think things will be different next year as this track is a one of a kind beast. Carroli and Herlings put on a show today.
avj26, you are a douche. Our guy would be lucky to finish 8, 9, or tenth in every race? Not sure how much you follow motocross but we have won this event the last 7 years, and 5 of those were on GP tracks. Also you do realize most of the previous world champions have decided to come over to race the AMA nationals, and for the most part have struggled to win. So stop posting like an idiot.
Congrats to Germany and Belgium for 1st and 2nd. USA can't win them all, and sooner or later streaks have to come to an end. Lommel is a beast of a track and the sand specialists showed how to ride it today. Congrats to team USA, although you are expected to win, 3rd is still a podium, especially considering Barcias busted wheel and RD's crash. Any other country would be happy with a podium, although it does have to be a bit disappointing considering the pressure of being expected to win. We gave it our best but it just was not good enough to get the job done today. I do think things will be different next year as this track is a one of a kind beast. Carroli and Herlings put on a show today.
Now i dont ever want to hear a nother word about european racers dont get good results in the U.S. When they race there for their first time with al new tracks and different culture. I have read so many times people posting here saying...o Roczen and Masquin is not as good beacuse they are not geting any top results when they and other europenas has been strugeling with US tracks when riding them for the first time! But al of a sudden tracks magically has al the inpact of the world for Team U.S. not geting top results. You cant both have and eat the cookie.
I have also heard poeple taking a big stand here when some one has sad that european tracks are more thoughter and more demanding. Saying that the US tracks such as southwick are way more demanding. Guess that is poeple that dont have any clue about anything.
kawi7s wrote:
Herlings and Cairoli would be lucky to crack the top 5 in the US.
You surely can’t be serious! I think you need to take your medication and have a lay down. Can't the keyboard warriors of the interweb just accept that on a given day in Belgium on a "motocross" track, the best team won the event!
Next year is next year and there will be a different result and I personally hope that a MXON is run at a European sand track in the future and the lessons learnt at this year’s event serves as a wakeup call to the US riders. I can guarantee that what Dungey, Barcia & Baggett learnt in the last 5 days or so will hold then in good stead for the future.
What I prey for more than anything is that Team USA don't come home whining about the "What If's" looking to proportion there less than expected result to anyone but themselves. Dungey is a class act and will tell a story about how they were beaten fair and square and that to beat ANYONE on a sand track they need to do better, both in rider preparation and bike setup. I was never a Barcia fan until this weekend where in my mind he matured a lot. If he comes back and starts complaining like a spoilt brat then he’s lost me for good and no doubt a lot of others.
Team USA did more than a lot of fans (outside of USA) expected. I would think that if the team come home and say it like it was and fess up to the fact that they were fairly and squarely beaten, that there will be a huge amount of respect levelled to them by the non-USA motocross fans.
@ALL_US_GUYS
Sand riding is part of the GP racing, as well as nicely groomed tracks as well as "classic" hard pack with even dust!
All the european champions of the past needed to master the sand tracks as well as the others and they did!
Why is that so? Because we ride sand from the beginning of our careers, like you do on your SX tracks.
My boy really complaint hard about that sandpit "grevenbroich" (where team USA trained the tuesday before MXON) when we were there for the first time.
Now after 2 more years he loves riding sand, because you get a flowing style if you ride it and you can go wide open all the time! that all even benefits your riding on hard pack!
Lesson for the US in that - add sand tracks that are deep to your program (at least in training).
Lesson for Euros - if we want more competitive euros in SX we have to train our youngsters early to adapt to it :-)
And now let us germans celebrate in style - and see you all at Teutschenthal 2013 - i'll be there - if some of you dare to come over here - contact me on twitter and let's have some beer together celebrating the greatest mx race of the year.
Not even going to waist my pathetic typing skills and better knowledge of the sport.Yes I am pissed,our boys tried their best and we got beat.MEC euros?Bring it.Level playing field and a cool mil up for grabs.Bring it.
pinkfld42 are you stupid? Cairoli and Herlings would not be lapt in a Ama race. Bad looser because Barcia, Bagget got lapt. Dugney was 2 sec from being lapt. GP series ain't that bad. USA had à bad day, that's it. They are all great riders.
On fast,dry with lot of jumps tracks, Americain are the fastest but in deep mud,deep sand or under heavy rain,I'm glad that the old school Europeans riders are still a reference. Note that Belgium,a tiny little country with just a few riders,no permanant tracks,almost won.
No scrub, no whips, just sand and deep ruts. Just classic motocross.
AC222 fastest rider on the planet right now. Thats coming from a RV2 fan.
I was impressed of with the ride of Australias` Tod Waters number 9 on a Suzuki. Watch for that guy in the future...
Go Germany ... and they have a good chance to defend the title next year. Sand ... we are not used to ... why you guys didn' prepare better?
Roczen rocked on that 250 and he will get used to the tracks in the US and he will be a big one one day.
By the way the track was for everybody the same ... and today the best current team won (you need 3 good ones on a team not only one)
Im going to defend the us riders and im from nz.
They did pretty bloody well really even with dirt samples .
To go over there and ride that track on there back yard, thats not easy.
maybe the most out of the usa riders comfort zone ever at des nations?
our top kiwi boy josh coppins while being 34 and retireing after this race lived
near by this track and knows it well no dought. Now im not going to compare ryan with josh, but moto 1 josh 11 dungey 7. josh just rapped up the aus mx1 title so he is in good nick at the moment. What im trying to get at is the us riders were not that bad in the big frame of things. herlings is a freak. ac222 is a legend . ken roc on a 450 will be awesome in couple more years. Its horses for courses and sand is its own beast. usa dont have enough of it and it showed.
@mahnoi Agreed! as an Aussie I didn't expect them to do so well! Very proud.
well done to aus to , todd walters was 2nd in aus mx1 champs to josh.
kids got talent. Thankyou josh coppins for all the great memorys , legend!
The dutch and Belgiums and US got beat by hardpack riders Roczen and Nagl (Schiffer grew up in the sand the others not)
So you all stop the excuses ... next year will be an new MXoN and one thing is for sure I will be there.
CAIROLI to the Italian TV:
The Americans kinda blamed the track for their results. Is that fair?
"Yes, it is. It's like if one enters an SX race and wants to win immediately. With their technique and talent they did their best, even if it was difficult"
These are the words of a true champion, who doesn't talk crap against anybody after a double win, unlike many losers who wander around with useless words.
@MustardDog Such a well put accross point, I have to agree with your well placed argument. I am sorry, Europe sucks, we all suck. USA
that you people think herlings is only fast on a sandtrack makes me laugh he won the world title with only two sandtracks and the rest 14 times on hard pack and he traint with roczen en marvin musquin on sx tracks in the USA and was almost as fast as them. So why is roczen who is almost every race complaning on his bike or have a flu a great rider and herlings who is stil a year younger then roczen nothing. Roczen told before the des nations that herlings only would see his back and he would win over herlings. Wel the fact is roczen would not have win the mx 2 when herlings would have ride the mx 2 class that s fure sure. I m glad that whining Ken is in the usa and never wil be an ama champ because he won t beat bagget next year and when he go s to the big boys he will not win over RD1 RV2 JB CR22 JS7 TC41
I would have loved to see herlings go to the USA but KTM wil not let him go because they want the mx 2 worldchampion ship next year and they have only herlings for that job because the riders who need to follow up herlings are not yet ready for the job. I think team usa did a good job in lommel and did the best they could but i think with RV RD and Tomack they would have a stronger team in the deep sand. I hope Trey Cannard will have a good year and can ride without injuries because he belongs on the podium also .Next year you americans hopefuly beat the germans in germany because we in holland still don t like the germans with there big heads and big mouth s
Greets from holland
I think team USA did what we all expected, fighting for a podium spot. Think they rode to their limit and i was very impressed with the ride Barcia put on in that third moto.
Huge respect to the lads not dissmissing the efforts made by the winning countries and start making excuses for themselves. You win some(a lot) and you loose some, simple as that.
I'm not on either side of the fence here, i do enjoy the AMA just as much as the GP's and what i like the most is the difference in between them.
People talking down deep sandtracks like Lommel might be new to the sport but that's pretty much where it all started. The World Championship has always been to these sandtracks, it's not something new. Just because these kinds of tracks never been part of the AMA championship doesn't make it less of a track.
The deep sands of Lommel or Lierop isn't more of a specialized track than say Pala, Glen Helen or Lake Elsinore wich i bet most GP guys would struggle at.
What i do miss in the AMA championship is the variety of tracks. Yes Southwick do stick out as a sandtrack, and Hangtown and in someway Washougal is probably as close to a hardpacked GP track you can go to in the AMA, but besides that they do look alot like each other. Yes i know the dirt it self do change from track to track.
My personal view is that during the last 4-5 years the AMA motocross has become more and more of a Supercross championship on steroids. Just look at Pala and Elsinore, not much of the old school motocross there my friends.
If that is the road AMA and the fans of the series wants to go then fine, but the problem is that you are taking the moto out of motocross and that is not gonna benefit the US riders for future Des Nations held "over here".
After watching the race live in Lommel and having seen the replay of the race on tv these are my conclusions:
First time in years the mxon is on a rough track and USA barely makes it on the podium
No matter what happens at the next mxon comming years, the top GP guys won't get lapped like Barci and Bagget.
Antoni Cairoli can hang with Dungey on a fast racetrack, but is way faster on a rough or sand track. This makes him the most complete racer of outdoor tracks
If US riders come over to race a GP season they won't win because they can't handle a rough racetrack, so stop saying that Cairoli or Herlings have to come over to prove themselves... why not bring some top us riders over here??? same thing.
Herlings fell on the first lap of the last race and climbed up to second place and was a minute in front of Barcia! No one will be a minute in front of Herlings in the next mxon...so you can all you want about next year this or that...but the GP guys will be much closer to the front!
Even if the US win all three races next year at the mxon, the will not be minute in front or lap the top GP riders...
Hola American friends
First congratulations for third place. Your team mighty never give up attitude is inspiring.
Many people says here, track like Lommel not spectacular. Yes, on TV screens sx is beautiful but in real world on trackside there is no better show on the motocross. Deep sand tracks, like the most Benelux tracks are the best motocross show for public. On the spectator side these are diamonds of motocross. High corner speeds, engines always works on the limiter, speed jumps, big waves. Its a very high speed low flight, compared sx low speed high fly.
Hope you can come holidays to Europe watching sand track GP-s or Dutch Championships.
Claim to Lommel is european backyard and top riders train every day track like this, is not so true. They ride track like lommel little bit time in spring, but not so much as you think. GP series have a lot different type tracks and Lommel and Lierop are very unique for most riders, except Benelux and Estonian.
patjeja:
Herlings is a great rider except for that little excuse with the broken rip ... TC was on cruise control when Herlings showed up und TC did what he had to do ... win.
Let Herlings go to the US and try. Roczen has the b... to go and compete with the best in Supercross and you will see he will succeed because he got the heart.
Herlings doesn t broke his rib tommx he only fel on his his ribs and he was not whinging over it they just went to the hospital to make an x ray and he brused some ribs badly. And herlings did almost the same lap times in the USA when he ride some sx tracks for training with roczen and musquin so what are you talking about do your home work german lover. Herlings wil get more titles then roczen because roczen wil not win an ama champion ship anyway because he s a whinning german with always bike problems ore fly haha lol
As an Aussie who loves the AMA series', the Euro GP's and our own Aussie racing, it's great to read some well rounded, open minded comments on here from people who follow MX world wide. It's a nice change from some of the narrow, nationalist, rubbish most of you yanks have delivered this week :) maybe some of you Merican's (Rev up Bowyer, big ugly
Maniac, mustard dog, small doodle etc, etc) might want to buy yourself a world globe and a Euro GP highlights DVD. You may have a better understanding of why the rest of the world want to like you folks, but find it hard at times :) Also before you yanks continue blowing wind up your own arses about your sporting prowess, remember its a simple numbers game. When you have 10 times the number of motocross racers, compared to any other country you will most likely win the MXON 10 times more often. In Australia Dungey and Baggett would be a good solid blokes, Barcia seems a bit young and excitable. Thanks for allowing me to debrief, the time difference is killing me this week :) DC
And that Andy Bowyer is Karma. Baggett got lapped ! Ryan Dungey didnt see which way Antonio Cairolis two middle fingers went. Oh and Herlings beat by Barcia by how much ?
Sorry I am laughing so much I cannot type. " Oh and Herlings beat Barcia by how much ? " is how it should read.
patjeja:
Herlings could go to race supercross in winter and return for the GP's like Anstie, like Roczen did and Osborne. By your words you are just so mad and disapointed that Germany beat Dutch in the sand. Be a good looser.
By the way the laptimes in practice don't count for points.
Roczen rocks 2. in Supercross lites and 4. outdoors is not bad.
Not bad i now butt Only the no 1 at the championship is importent as we all now tommx so roczen will be a looser in the USA and that s why he is whining that he always have something ether with his bike or has a flu. Roczen wil never ever beat herlings on sandtracks. And i m not mad or disapointed but you all think roczen is that great rockstar and herlings can t do anything good on the track because he jused the f word on tv what was the first time on national television right nobuddy did that before hu. well was it herlings that find out the f word or what.And herlings can t ride the ama supercross because ktm won t let him and the have to race thailand in march you dom ass
At the end of the day it was a massive crowd (65 000) there were friendly beer drinking fans from all over the world it was great racing ... this is what mx is all about. I hope the fans will all come to Germany next year.
It was also nice to see how the riders respect each other winning or loosing
Just got back from loomel. Man what an epic weekend of racing. I think I was 1 of about 10 guys going for team oz but what a weekend of racing. All those guys on the track were out of control for just lining up. Congrats to all who raced it was an epic battle and I'm sure team USA learnt a lot which is what it's all about. If u haven't been to a des nations put it on your bucket list. It's awesome!
Yep, the US Guys had some bad luck, but they got schooled in the sand,, oh well. There is no dought that Herlings, Cairoli and Roczen were on a different level at that track.. I guess the Euros' fitness was not a problem at all.. Also, I guess Herlings should be called the "king" of the sand like someone said a couple days ago.. That kid was unreal...
@marky
Roczen and Musquin raced an entire SX/MX season. They weren't riding in the US for the first time week in and week out. That's a big difference from going over to Europe for a couple weeks of practice before a race. From what I read Team USA only got to ride one practice day on a portion of Lommel. I'm pretty sure if they rode it for 9 months they would figure it out.
great googlie mooglie... can we get over the "the AMA doesn't have rough tracks" comments. Anyone who is saying that has not watched the Nationals. Roczen said after Hangtown this year that it was one of the roughest tracks that he had ever ridden. That track had square edge holes from hell. It's not that Lommell was "rough". The Euro riders have been known for their sand skills, as well as their mud skills, becasue they ride in it and race in it a lot. So of course they are going to excel at it. But to keep saying "becasue it was a rough track" is absurd. Sand riding, as well as mud, take a certain technique that comes, as with anything, years of practice.
Its also funny how this race has become USA vs. the world, and not other individual countries. That makes a 3 rider vs. 57 rider race.
Again, congrats to all of the top teams and riders. Good to see AC finally get his day in the sun at the MXdN, as well as Team Germany. They were the best team on Sunday.The US got beat fair and square, no excuses. I actually expected us to have problems on that track, but just not as many mistakes as they made. AC is a bad dude,and one of the best riders in the world. But to now automatically say he's "the best" rider in the world becasue he finally won the overall in the MXoN after 7 years of trying, and on a very unique track, is a bit jumping the gun.
I heard that RC has added a special sand lane that each rider has to take at least once during the the Monster Energy Cup race to help teach the American riders to race in the sand - appropiately its called the 'joker' lane
I can't believe that we talk like our riders never rode in sand. Dungey made the comment that he rode in this stuff when he was growing up near his house. It is true that Southwick does have a harder base, I will give them that. The fact is that Euros do ride in sand more. But I can't buy the fact that we got LAPPED because of it. Not buying it. We got are asses kicked. People are acting like we were riding on a different planet. Please don't compare the whole supercross argument, that's narrow minded thinking. You honestly think Carmichael, Stanton, Dowd and all our other great sand riders would have gotten LAPPED. We should not be humbled. We should be embarrassed.
I honestly think team USA underestimated the track and how fast the Euros are in those conditions,I also think leaving Tomac out was a mistake - however at least they are gracious in their defeat and they went down trying!
@rmz444,, hate to say it, but RC would have been schooled by by Herlings on that track..
@rmz444 I could'nt agree more RC would'nt hold a candle to Herlings in the sand but it would be the same way in Supercross but then Supercross is fake anyhow!I went to the US earlier this year and watched three Supercross races then three AMA outdoors and Supercross is totally overated in my opinion!
@kingw22,, I agree, SX is overated, but that's where the $$$ is..
@mxmofo1 no doubting thats were the $ are but unfortunetly so are the injuries it caused the 450 class to be quite a bore this year and certainly didn't help Dungey's riding he ended up having to play with the 2nd rate 'believe the hype Alessi'
@kingw22 ,, I agree..
Now that the MXDN done and dusted whats the predictions for the Monster Cup with RV and CR back it should be close,at least it has motocross elements to the track so Im actually looking forward to going to the event.
It seems there was some need for JS7! To all of you idiots that put him down F_ck you! We'll see who gonna hold it down for 2013, you biatches!
I read some of the most stupidest comments ever about JS7 being on the MXnD team, his riding style, his character, and his heart now you see why he could have represented the USA team as good as anyone. Crashes are apart of racing, nothing tp hold against a rider for trying 100%. Like the idiots that wright there stupid comments about JS7.
In your face, they all crash!
I agree if James was fit I would pick James to be part of your team any day of the week - I watched him at the des nations at Donnington Park and he put in an unbelievable effort - I think Americans should be proud of him and stop the hating, he gives every race 110% and any race is not the same without JS
@kingw22,, Yep, I also think JS would have been Team USA's best shot at riding with Cairoli and Herlings in the sand. I still don't think he would have beat Herlings, but maybe, just maybe, Cairoli.. Like Stewy or not, he is the best US sand rider right now.. I would just like to see a little more of him..
We did well for the team of riders this year. I just think that RC, JS, and RV have the unique ability to find another gear when needed. I have a video of RC in 99 at Unadilla last to first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glx8JMSGLks
Looks like the Racerx police took off my comment. I guess i didn't swear enough
like other posting I see on here all the time......JS7 = no heart and no consistency.
Dungey just looked Flat out there..
Kingw22, still have color issues here in America so you will always hear haters about JS7 not his heart.
gfd971 your the reason I chose those words, they best describe how "I FEEL" about people like you hating on JS7!
@starplaya4life
You seem to be the one with the color issues. I have never heard anyone on this board say anything about the color of James skin. Grow up and have a little class!
@kingw22
Now we know why RV2 did not want to go over there with only a month on the bike! I do not think for a minute that any of the riders from the USA were over confident. But the most of the fans were.
Just going on record to eat crow. We were beat fair and square, and I marked us as a victory. Congradulations Germany - my hat is off to you. Congradulations to team USA - I am sure that you left it all out there in the sand, and richly deserve my thanks as well. Congradulations to all of the compeditors, but a big shout to the Germans for breaking into the winners circle - What a performance!
We win this thing almost everytime we enter it. This year we didnt, but our riders were gracious in defeat. Now these boards get blown up with arm chair mx pros from outside (and inside) US saying all kinds of kooky things- US cant ride rough tracks and GPs are rougher than AMA? but what about all the MXDN's we won on the other 'rough' GP tracks? cant have it both ways. Now AC is the best rider? what about the other years? again cant have it both ways. Herlings is now the best? maybe the best sand rider- might want to check in on that beach race in france. Bottom line, it is always US against everyone else. We took 3rd this year and it was a 'bad' year. The Germans have a right to celebrate-have at it, if it was the US celebrating again we would be called arrogant. this is a US based message board- if you dont like the writers (Andy) or some of us a-hole Americans, dont read it.
Guys, some of you are are talking about bad luck and how special was the track but with if last year France would have beat the US team. Remember France was leading when Pourcel broke his rear tire...please stop "if" Then, congrats to Germany, it was their day. By the way, remember also last year Herlings the 17 years old sand specialist also beat RV2 on a classic track...
I precise: second Moto mxdn 2011 : 1.Paulin 2. Herlings 3.Villopoto
@texag
I am pretty sure both Roczen and Masquin rode their first season in the U.S Meaning they raced every track for the first time. Dont really think riding supercross gave them any edge inte outdoors.
But i agree. If the Americans would have trained on more simular tracks the result maby would have been bether.
Just as Europeans wouls have been bether if they raced alot more on U.S. Tracks.
But the whole deal with it was only the track that made the diferent does not belong. It is not like you dont have sand tracks in the U.S. And they are al profesional racers, riding is what they do every day. Riding is what they do. Motocross is still motocross.
The fact is that booth the GP:s and the AMA has been more competetive. The top guys on both sides the atlantic are pretty much equaly fast.
js7 has no hart ha ha he has crashed so much you loser would quit racing if you had his cash
It is extremely rare for any American to win a GP World Championship, and those very few that did many years ago took years trying. You guys are great on your own soil but that doesn't mean you are the best in the world until you become a "World Champion" which is a totally different ball game. Unfortunately the US thinks they are the best at everything and that makes it all the more sweeter for the rest of the world when ever your arrogant hyped up asses are handed to you in any sport your involved in.
Although impossible, it would be great if one day you superhero's decided to get over yourselves.
well sad to say i called read earlier posts before the des nations, called germany for the win, im german and if U.S.A. would of sent better they would of got better results, and im damn sure not talking villipotoho, i hit a simple bowl turn and tore an A.C.L. or reed who tells james to grow a pair, we will see who has the pair when reed starts having flashbacks and starts thinking shit i got a mortgage, wife and kids, i cant afford to wad it up. They sent 2nd place in dungey, and barcia didnt exactly set any records outdoors this season, so they got there asses handed to them. And the one post already defending dungey calling everybody pecker heads, funny class act.