by Adam Wheeler
Racer X Race Report: MXoN Qualifiers
Saturday, September 29, 2012 | 3:50 PM
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Print“Tough”, “difficult”, “hard” were some of the words uttered by riders on the eve of the 66th Motocross of Nations in Belgium and this was in reference to the depth and demands of the Lommel sand rather than any notions of pressure, expectations or level of the competition. The flagship international race for the sport has been squeezed into a facility in the heart of this small country in northern Europe for the first time since 1981, where Team USA recorded a first and historic ownership of the Peter Chamberlain trophy.
The terrain was a big challenge for the Dungey-Barcia-Baggett axis that, to a man, admitted this was a culture shock compared to what they traditionally encounter in the States. Barcia claimed his upstate New York upbringing helped with a modified feeling of comfort in sand and many race fans can already testify to the Honda rider’s capabilities in the wavey stuff; not least Roger De Coster.
Free practice threw sunshine on a busy attendance but also a heavy rain shower as some of the Lommel favourites – Tony Cairoli, Jeffrey Herlings and Ken Roczen – found their groove amongst the grooves. Their speed would provide an accurate preview of what was to come.
Tough day for the Yanks. Ryan Dungey got a bad start in his MX1 race, and then lost his goggles coming through the wet sand. He finished 6th.
Baggett's run through MX2 traffic to pick up a third-place finish was the best ride of the day for Team USA.
Barcia ripped the holeshot in the Open class, led for awhile, but was passed by Herlings. He tried fighting back, but then went off the track and into a fence....all heck broke loose after that. Eventually, he was DQed for outside assistance. Luckily, each team drops their worst score from qualifying so Baggett and Dungey's 3-6 scores were good enough to get Team USA into the main show tomorrow. Barcia was only DQed from today's race--he's legal and ready to race tomorrow.
Ken Roczen (20) won the MX2 heat, helping boost Germany into the #1 spot in qualifying based on today's racing.
Ray Archer photos
The sessions also revealed that the smooth and graded Lommel terrain would not take many laps to start to chop-up and Team USA – fourth out of the ballot for gate positions for the quali races – worked out the trajectory with Dungey (in MX1 and facing the likes of Cairoli, Evgeny Bobryshev, Max Nagl, Gautier Paulin and Tommy Searle) 3rd fastest, Baggett (up against Roczen, Zach Osborne, Jeremy Van Horebeek and Marvin Musquin) 5th quickest and Barcia (the formidable form of Jeffrey Herlings, Ken De Dycker and Max Anstie) in 4th. Cairoli had the best lap of the morning but the three second difference to Herlings did not reflect to the full extent the track had morphed.
Cairoli and Nagl briefly disputed the MX1 heat race. The MX1 World Champion briefly conceding the lead as he believed his 350SX-F was throwing-up some strange noises and was wary of DNF-ing. Once the growl had cleared he promptly disappeared and gave a nonchalant look over his shoulder into the distance as he crossed the finish line. Behind him was Nagl (Germany), Clement Desalle (Belgium), Gautier Paulin (France), Evgeny Bobryshev (Russia) and Dungey – goggle-less and not appearing to be having much fun.
MX2 saw Roczen (Germany) showing a clean pair of heels to Jeremy Van Horebeek (Belgium) and Baggett riding a pretty solid outing in third and the best of the USA line-up.
Tony Cairoli was on it in the MX1 heat, taking the win. Germany's Max Nagl was second, which combined with Roczen's MX2 win to secure first gate pick for Germany tomorrow.
Clement Desalle was third in the MX1 heat for the home team.
Zach Osborne was fast, but a crash dropped him back in MX2. Add troubles for late-entrant Kyle Chisholm, and Puerto Rico was relegated to tomorrow's B-team race.
Ken de Dycker was second in the MX3 heat. Team Belgium didn't have the fastest riders today, but consistency over three motos matters more than that, anyway. The Belgian team went 2-2-3 in the qualifying motos.
One more Baggett shot for ya.
And one more of Cairoli. Big crowd at this race, and flags are waving everywhere.
Ray Archer photos
MX Open was the last sprint of the day and the most dramatic. Barcia ripped a holeshot by gassing the CRF450R all the way around the long opening left-hander but was tracked by Max Anstie (GBR) and De Dycker (Belgium). Herlings had hit the gate and was down in eleventh mid-first lap. He then started one of those startling flights in the sand that simply gobbles every rider on his radar. Anstie crashed (although would recover to fourth) and Barcia was soon in the Dutchman’s range, trying to hold the lead. Herlings made the move, but to the Honda man’s credit he switched up his game and stuck his front wheel alongside the KTM several times over the course of a lap, trying to get it back. But the first of two mistakes saw Barcia head off the track and straight into the fence. Ironically Bam-Bam was helped was none other than Chuck Sun (member of the US team that won here in 1981--but Sun was only on hand to watch, not as an offical part of the US effort). Barcia eventually almost looped the Honda again once he was facing the right way, as he tried to get over the fence and back onto the track. The ‘outside assistance’ by Sun earned Barcia a disqualification and straightaway signified Team USA’s throwaway result. That means they go to the gate seventh tomorrow behind: Germany, Belgium, Italy, Holland, France and Great Britain.
If you don't believe in Herlings' sand skills, a last-to-first charge (after getting stuck in the gate) during the MX3 qualifier should prove something.
Ray Archer photo
Other victims of the sand included Zach Osborne who flipped off his Monster Energy Yamaha and suffered a laceration to his neck and the American/Puerto Rican’s Yamaha team-mate Arnaud Tonus (Switzerland) who is feared to have broken his lower right leg. Puerto Rico missed the cut of the top twenty teams as Kyle Chisholm (drafted in as a late replacement for Jimmy Albertson who tore a thigh muscle in a training crash two days before the meeting) rode to 25th in MX Open.
MX1
1. Antonio Cairoli (ITA, KTM), 25:24.630;
2. Maximilian Nagl (GER, KTM), +0:09.489;
3. Clement Desalle (BEL, Suzuki), +0:30.660;
4. Gautier Paulin (FRA, Kawasaki), +0:41.400;
5. Evgeny Bobryshev (RUS, Honda), +0:45.882;
6. Ryan Dungey (USA, KTM), +0:57.835;
7. Marc de Reuver (NED, Kawasaki), +1:05.243;
8. Rui Goncalves (POR, Honda), +1:06.462;
9. Joshua Coppins (NZL, Yamaha), +1:10.189;
10. Tommy Searle (GBR, Kawasaki), +1:36.040
MX2
1. Ken Roczen (GER, KTM), 24:24.394;
2. Jeremy van Horebeek (BEL, KTM), +0:09.837;
3. Blake Baggett (USA, Kawasaki), +0:20.057;
4. Marvin Musquin (FRA, KTM), +0:37.998;
5. Jake Nicholls (GBR, KTM), +0:44.152;
6. Glenn Coldenhoff (NED, KTM), +0:57.232;
7. Alexander Tonkov (RUS, Honda), +0:58.437;
8. Luke Styke (AUS, Yamaha), +1:05.699;
9. Priit Rätsep (EST, KTM), +1:08.215;
10. Even Heibye (NOR, KTM), +1:17.428
MX Open
1. Jeffrey Herlings (NED, KTM), 24:23.539;
2. Ken de Dycker (BEL, KTM), +0:02.024;
3. Tanel Leok (EST, Suzuki), +0:28.861;
4. Max Anstie (GBR, Honda), +0:46.358;
5. Davide Guarneri (ITA, KTM), +1:11.885;
6. Todd Waters (AUS, Suzuki), +1:23.898;
7. Marcus Schiffer (GER, Suzuki), +1:36.198;
8. Valentin Guillod (SUI, KTM), +2:10.253;
9. Luis Correia (POR, Yamaha), +2:11.165;
10. Filip Bengtsson (SWE, KTM), -1 lap(s)
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350's won 2 of the 3 heats today. And 2011/12 World Champs won all 3 motos.
We will likely win this thing, but here is hoping that my USA brethren will see that there are good guys all over, and that we will always be in a position to learn a thing or two. Tip of the hat to our worthy Euro friends and lets race clean tomorrow.
It's going to be fun, which is the point, yes? Not like we are curing cancer here
So... what happens with Barcia being disqualified today? Does he get to race tomorrow?
even though shot in the head and heart the Yamaha continued to bite and snap........Barcia is the throw away...read it again....screw qualifying , euros and their 350's Go Dungey Go Baggett ...and Go JB......now its time for BIZNESS.....
All teams get to throw out one moto score and count there two best. So USA threw out Barcia's. Just need top fives from all three of them tomorrow and we should be good. Hopefully nothing like getting stuck in the fence happens again.
Tomorrow will be rough for our American trio, so hopefully Roger will spell out the exact game plan. Glad to hear how much Bagget is impressing eveyone, the kid is really shinning this year. Good luck tomorrow Team U.S.A and hope all riders make it through safely.
Those of you who thought this race would be another thrashing of the EuroRacers....take heed of the qualifying races, and that the EuroRacers have speed at this track.
Having said that....Only the USA has a three rider depth that will be the difference in our retaining the Chamberlain Cup.
I really think, based on the qualification race this morning, that BamBam wants to win at all costs, and that Herlings is much more experienced in this type of sand than Barcia is. If he (BamBam) can come to terms with 2nd place, the USA will retain the Cup.
I watched all three races this morning, and the USA is by far the best 3 man team, but, unfortunately, we are not the fastest individuals at Lommel.........
Fact, but we are the fastest team at Lommel........
Although it is not over yet, I corrected all of the fans several articles ago who did not think that the Euros would be serious contenders this year ....
And it figures that Barcia would come out of the box swinging for the fence. And what did he get for his ROOKIE strategy? He ended up in the fence.
Time for Team USA to re-group!
Just finished watching the replays of qualifying on the nl.twitch.tv site that someone posted (thanks!). It's a bit of a shame the MXON is on such a boring track. All flat, all deep sand. Bleh. It does give the few sand wizards a chance to display their skills, and at least the rest of the riders land on soft stuff when they crash, but... snore. I recently re-watched last year's MXON -- now that was an MX track. This one makes Lake Elsinore look mountainous!
ok, need a little help here. When the points are calculated for Team title, do they base it off of overall moto finish or how they finish in class?
@Not4show.....overall moto finish, irrespective of class, with one moto as a throwaway
US riders never do good in qualifing-not to worry. We still got this.
Osteo....thanks for correcting EVERYONE......lol...he is a such a rookie .....I'd much rather have him just putt around sitting on the seat smiling and waving to the euro fans.....GO JB....its QUALIFYING...its over......... tommorow is what its about....
by the way guys are talking you all expect barcia to have just pulled over as if a blue flag were being waved at him, he did the same thing each time tomac and bagget caught and passed him this year make a couple attempts to retain the lead and than eventually settle into 2nd he probably just cross rutted not that big of a deal if you ask me its better he got that out of the way today instead of tomorrow ive said it already and ill say it again I honestly think we will be tossing our MX1 score this year
@SeventiesRacer Thanks,
With it being overall moto finish and not class finish, I think the US will have a much harder time getting the title then WE think. I don't see Baggett scoring better then 10th in either of his moto, might be a good day for Germany.
wow, the world is orange!
@Osteo - I hope you didn't mean that you went back through all the old articles, sifted through all these stupid postings, and then responded to them. If that is what you meant, I think they have good medication for that now. Just Google OCD.
This is so funny , watching all you yanks bench racing. i think your all honestly
very worried your going to chock lol. I think your all in for a rude awaking tomoorrow. cant always have it your own way, time for a reality cheack!
This is a message board, and this is where bench racing happens, Brett. I guess when you live in a country without free speech, idle banter by the flabby faithful would appear amusing. Wait until PizzaCorner vomits up his usual tripe sandwitch! Just don't mention James Stewart, or the servers crash.
Hey for the bench racers....actually found some fodder for us to chew on and predict cures to cancer!!! Enjoy..its a lot of good footage...but to understand anything ull need to learn dutch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-19tR8Opus
In a nutshell in Herlings interview, he basically alludes to what everyone already knows..the top GP boys are faster, but no single country has 3 top riders..so not likely for anyone to beat USA. BUT, as we also all know, its motocross and ANYTHING can happen. No moaning tomorrow guys cause we all know this. ESPECIALLY if bam bam doesnt cool his head down during the race....I fear he may be USAs biggest enemy.
Mark my words - Champions find a way to win, and we have three on our team. Game over.
@Adam Wheeler; Thanks for the summary of the days events. It's always good to read your work.
I sence a hush in the trenches on the front lines this afternoon. Now Team USA has their work cut-out for them. So, let's see what, a good nights rest, can produce for tomorrow. I will be anxious to see how much track grooming will take place tonight for tomorrows races.
We'll find out soon enough tomorrow...
Qualifier = Eyeopener...Yes, the sand at Lommel is unlike any thing we have over here to race on. Our team got a reality check, of how rough and deep sand can get, while the riders who train and practice here made it look easy, well maybe not easy, but they showed some true sand skills. Helmets off to Cairoli, Roczen and Herlings, you are as good as touted on sand!!!
All is not lost for the good ole USA, but they are going to have a serious challenge for the cup from Germany and Belgium.
Dungey will need a better start and better luck with his goggles. Dungey should be fired up after this mornings troubles and ready to go when the gate drops in the morning. Ryan's fitness and smarts should have him in the top three when the checkers fall.
Baggett's times looked very good, especially for some one who says sand is not his best surface. Blake should use what he has learned last year's race, be smooth, save energy and ride his own race, that should be good enough to get him into the top three.
Barcia showed he does have some serious sand skills, if he can backer down a notch, keep it on two wheels, he looks to be a solid top three guy. Justin just has to remember it is not a bout him winning, it is a solid finish we need..
Good Luck to all tomorrow, history will be made and bragging rites set, until next year, when the motcross world will once again come together to celebrate the Greatest Motosport on Earth.....
should have picked js7 or 800
why do you guys think you have the best team? look at belgium. all guys in the top 3! if you count all 3 riders belgium and germany is still in front of usa. even if you count with barcia finished 2nd in his race...
Teameuro-wait til game time! U will see the best, US.
C'mon Preston, JS7has not NOT crashed in what, his last 6 motos? Roger of all people should be able to talk Barcia off the ledge. Barcia's mentality for this event should be top 3 or 4 twice. It should be familiar, he did it all year at this years outdoors ( like what 22 or 23 of 24 motos? )
@Langston-fan-- You say the top GP guys are faster?? When was the last time Cairoli beat Dungey?? They will ride better on this particular track, but they are NOT faster.. We dont even have our two fastest guys racing No RV1 or Stewart.. They are injured..
@Preston-- We cant count on Stewart, he isnt there for a reason, too undependable..
In barcia's defense he kept it on two wheels they were just pinned under a fence lol
Belgium and Germany will be tough to beat.. Those guys know this track like the back of thier hands, and they are very fast and talented.. They have to both be a favorite, I think they have as good a chance to win as the USA does..
Anyone know the scoop on CBS Sports Network coverage? Looking at their website, they show a 30 minute show starting at 10:00PM Sunday night, then a 90 minute show at 1:30AM Monday morning (listed as an 'encore'). DirecTV's listing doesn't show any MXdN listing at all.
Shoulda sent JS7. Roger is a stubborn ass. You get to throw away one result so crash or win works perfectly fine at MXON.
When RD1 gets beat, the BS / moaning / excuses will start. "If RV2 was there blah blah blah..."
USA! USA!
barcia is retarded should have been alessi in his spot at least he is comfy on a 450
herling the bullit boy's thats the man in the sand whahahaha seee dada usa
Team NL come on!!!
Go the Euros ..hard...!!!
@ therealmofo, the crazy thing is we could have sent Alessi and Tomac and our team would not be vastly different in terms of speed.
I do think Dungey brings a huge amount of leadership to our team and with Roger " The man " they should be able to control team emotions.
IMO this qualifying sets up well for USA. Our riders now know they have their work cut out for them. They are required to have full focus and work as a team. Some of the others ( teams ) are now possibly facing the " Expectation " of winning and the pressure that comes with it. Also trying to prove individual superiority where it is
expected.
Even though the USA is always the favorite, I guarantee you Roger is playing the underdog card and our boys will be ready!!
GO DUNGEY, BARCIA, BAGGETT!!!!!!!!!! Bring this one home and you will be talked about until next year. Then throughout history as one of the clutch performances ever.
News just in , the dunge took his goggles off as he could not beleave how fast
the euros were and had to see it with his own eyes. lol
bam bam saw a hot chick, and headed stage left. And baggetts oh shit the race has started and i was dreaming of the monster girl better go now on a charge now wont work on the euros, they will be gone!
GAME OVER!/
lol, Na all the best with the boys from the usa!
I will be impressed if they can do it there.
Tomorrow is the MXDN! So who won practice?
I know it's easy to do the could-shoulda-woulda - but Barcia should've dialed it down just a little bit, would've finished great, etc. Maybe a lesson for tomorrow, eh?
"News just in , the dunge took his goggles off as he could not beleave how fast
the euros were and had to see it with his own eyes. lol" very funny, thanks for the laugh!
@BD25- your writing is as good as it always is. Keep up the good work!
Have a look at the photo gallery (MXoN Saturday Darkroom) over at VURBMOTO. Take a look at photo #42 to see what the Dunge suffered through for his team!
The man has my respect regardless the outcome tomorrow!
Also, have a look at Herlings butt-patch! If you are gonna wear something like that you better be able to back it up! So far, he has!
To all the Euro guys thumping their chests about winning qualifying. did they hand out the Chamberlin trophy yet ? No. Oh they do that tomorrow after the actual race which is 30 minutes long plus 2 laps. How long did the qualifiers go ? Oh yeah, 20 minutes. Bagget just started dialing in the track at time and Dungey will probably use rolloffs tomorrow. Barcia, I just don't what to say other than if a Belgian fan had helped him would he have been DQ'ed ? Go USA ! We'll find out how good Herlings is on American 'sand' at Glen Helen in 2015.
@codjh9, jeramey, Red54m, and BD25 ... Agree with y'all. Barcia needs to dial it down a little, keep it on two wheels, come down off the ledge and backer down a notch ....
@brett568 ... Not sure if Barcia's fence incident was because he saw a hot chick ....
iI felt the 800 kind of got robbed, he earned a spot in my opinion.
You know, I have a really, REALLY good question for all of the Euros who are bashing the US riders (Note: this is not to ALL European fans, just the ones who are talking complete smack):
How come Roczen, Musquin, AND Herlings, who ALL could have EASILY stayed in the World MX Championship and had teams fighting to sign them, stayed in familiar surroundings, been closer to their families, etc., etc. have come to / will be coming to the US to race? Never mind what the internerds think - whether they're European, American, whatever. Why did the racers THEMSELVES decide to head Stateside?
Because they know the US is still top of the heap for MX and SX. They wanted to race the best of the best. If they really thought the American series was such a joke, why would they have decided to head to the US?
And that question will still be just as valid whether the US finishes 1st or dead last tomorrow. WHY are the top Euro stars coming to the US?
I will be waiting for a good answer to that question.
Wow.... Didn't expect to see Dungey 57 seconds behind the winner Cairoli. And his fastest lap 4 seconds behind Cairoli too.
Starts, Goggles whatever... That's an ass handing right there.
Still, Dungey is a machine and writing him off is to your own peril but that is a lot of ground to make up by tomorrow...
Just Saying...
Wait for the race. US wins. Herlings-gay,caroli scared, euros crying and making excuses. Watch.
it it possible that barcia caught the hay bail herlings flipped out in the corner as he went thru? that would make sence for the turning right in a left hander ??
dungey-6th with no goggles. no surprise, he knows its a heat race and he hardly ever wins heats, just like supercross heats. he knows not to push it until the race. and they call him the locomotive over here. longer the race, better he gets. I predict he will finish runner up to caroli tomarrow.
Baggett get crappy starts but finds his grove halfway through the race and becomes wicked fast. i predict 2nd for him behind roczen.
Barcia gets 9 out of 10 holeshots and when he is pissed( he is pissed now) he will get you back in a bad way and probably win. Herlings will probably get the moto win if he doesnt crash ( or get crashed by barcia) Barcia will win this. ]
All in all USA wins.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
dungey-6th with no goggles. no surprise, he knows its a heat race and he hardly ever wins heats, just like supercross heats. he knows not to push it until the race. and they call him the locomotive over here. longer the race, better he gets. I predict he will finish runner up to caroli tomarrow.
Baggett get crappy starts but finds his grove halfway through the race and becomes wicked fast. i predict 2nd for him behind roczen.
Barcia gets 9 out of 10 holeshots and when he is pissed( he is pissed now) he will get you back in a bad way and probably win. Herlings will probably get the moto win if he doesnt crash ( or get crashed by barcia) Barcia will win this. ]
All in all USA wins.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
@Gracious One- it's where the money is!
Osteo...that's have to be a hot chick with hairy armpits.
There are a lot of fast guys there for sure. Some are more comfortable, push harder in practice etc etc. One thing for certain EVERYONE mature enough to be truly honest knows we have the best team. Not that we'll destroy the world in every moto....but America clearly has the best 3 for the job. And when the dust clears (after racing-not qualifying) everyone is gonna start with their yurpan 'scuses
Sound like the true sand experts race in the sand more. So lets say Cairoli and Herlings win all their motos., and we don't let Dungey have goggles. Ryan can still finish 6th, or possibly better since that was only 20 minutes. I have faith that The BB guns can and will pull off at least top 3 finishes, if not better. I don't think Barcia will be all that happy with Herlings winning, what I do hope is that Decoster convinces him that second or third will be fine. As for Baggett, he was almost warmed up by the time 20 minutes hits, look out for him in the second half of the race.
I have faith that the USA can and will win the cup again this year, but it is motocross in the sand. Sand can be rougher on the equipment than it is on the riders, lets hope for no DNFs due to sand.
Go USA!!
Good luck to all the racers. I wish Herlings and Cairoli could make it to the Monster Energy Cup, that woulkd be way cool to have the fastest guys from that side of the pond come here.
I had live coverage of the qualifiers and I kind of liked the way Barcia rode. Was it smart for the team? Hell no. Was it fun to watch , hell yes. Seeing him stuff a wheel on Herlings was cool.This was not on the first lap but after 12 minutes. Did Herlings ride good ? Yes but if you Barcia or Baggett put in an inspired ride it could be interesting. Decoster probably lectured him later and it showed footage of Roger going back and forth during the race trying to figure out what Barcia was doing. We can't use high temperatures (like Elsinore) as people are running around with hooded sweatshirts. Conditioning could be a factor but starts are going to be critical. It is so easy for the leader to pull 3 seconds a lap because of a clean track. War zone on back.
I will say this to the AMA. Stop grooming the national tracks . Let them get rough. You learn line selection and how to ride a rough track. Maybe the start corner but thats it. I always thought it was to our downfall when they smoothed out Unadilla. Turining us into sissys. We can still do it and would whoop on most European tracks but this is motocross. We need a track like this on the National circuit. Could learn a little.
Go USA
SAy what you want BARcia Race MX3 was the big story of the day. I mean the guy was stuck for a long time and managed to get 6th so YEA BARCIA deserves all the credit for our team even tho they Dq'd him.
I quote Stefan Everts.....(all you euros know him, right?!) When asked by several in the media "Why have you not gone to the U.S. to race"? His reply was this...."It is better to be a big fish in a little pond, instead of being a small fish in a big pond".
This statement speaks volumns of the level of talent that there is in the US of A......
Europes equivilant ot he GOAT states specifically he was not willing to be a loser, but to cherry pick in the "little pond". No disrespect to S.E. as he is a true champion.
The MXdN has been around since 1947, or so (correct me if I am wrong) so that means approx 60-65 races have been run in that time frame (give or take) and the US of A won its first title in 1981 and has 22 victories in the record book. With these facts that means the US of A has won a total of 33% of the races, and in the last 31 years have won approx 67% of the races (about 5-6 times we didn't even send a team).
With these stated facts, how can you EuroFans even think (with one exception JMB) that your racers can compete on any track type, surface, weather, etc...with American racers. Sure, you may have a few wins in a few circumstances, but the overall percentages are way past ya'lls racers physical abilities, AND, these physical inabilities are what we have as intangibles whenever Euros and Americans race.
That will be the difference tomorrow for the MXdN being held in Lommel. There are a handful (maybe 5-6) EuroRacers that can go "BALLS OUT" for 40+2 at Lommel. These will do well,but all three Americans can do this as a team.
No other team at Lommel can say this with a straight face, PERIOD. Thats why the US of A will win again in 2012, but, it will be closer than in the past............
Since no MX2 rider will be out front breaking away against either the MX1 or Open riders, Bagget will be equal and possibly better than both Roczen and Van Horbeeck. Dungey will be equal or better than Desalle and Nagl. Barcia will be better than DeDycker and Shiffer. Netherlands and Italy can't get a good enough 5th score to win.
USA wins again
It was qualifying. Dungey is rarely the fastest here either in qualifying. Bagget turns it on half way to the end. Barcia tends to go to the front early and lead, might not always keep it but will be out front. Not sure if we will get a moto win but we will run all near the front. Won't be like 86 or 96 but I still think we will win overall. And I think dungey is capable of doing like Stanton did and pull out the stops and do what is needed to be done to win. Don't forget the ride he did at south wick last year when almost started 1 lap down
Every year its the same thing... The Euro's all get on here talk about the ass whoopin Team USA's gonna get. Every year Rodger tell's the team to sandbag qualifying so they wont know our true speed. History repeats itself ever year and yet you guys have never caught on at all. And its common knowledge here in the USA Dungey and Barcia both have sand tracks at home.....
Congratulations EuroMX for .................. ....winning practice......
JimM
Pala374
We have our head in the clouds if we think it will be a matter of getting to the start line and finishing in the top 5. This is a 40 minute moto in bottomless sand. The ONLY person that will win this race for US is DeCoster, be very clear on this. Dungey has a good head on him but Baggett and Barcia will loose the plot under the pressure of it all if not for DeCoster. He will set the strategy and be very clear to the riders what he expects and I don't think there is anyone other than him that is capable of doing this. Without DeCoster, US would be handing the Chamberlain to the Euro's before the event even started.
Congratulations EuroMX for .................. ....winning practice......
It's qualifying, not practice!
A very big difference to where you get to race and pick a gate.
Lets look at this a different way. KTM recruited Rodger why? lol Because we, as Americans have done in 2 years what the Euro's never could in a life time of riding KTM's Yeah you have MX1 and MX2 and MX3 titles in FIM,but KTM wanted an AMA Monster Energy Supercross title and Motocross title WHY? Because AMA is the best in the world, thats why. Hell even KTM knows that. You think all the other KTM teams there have the support and budget DeCoster and Dungey have? Hahahahaha NO, they dont. Its already been spent on RESULTS they GOT HERE 2012. This is our pride, and it shows every year.
WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
When the gates drops the BS will stop ... except for the fans who post to this site.
Ha!
Clearly everyone on here who thinks the Saturday races are "practice" or "just qualifying" has NEVER been to an MXON.
These RACES are the real deal and the gates did drop!
And importantly it's the only time MX1, MX2 and MX3 get to ride ONLY against each other so make no mistake, it means something alright.
Just saying...
"ONLY" the Chamberlain Trophy means something........all else is noise......
Roger Decoster is from Belgium is he not? So the greatest team manager in American Motocross history is from Europe. So how is it that Americans bash Euros? When the guy we think of as one of the biggest American mX Icons is from Europe?
Its simple, no TOP American riders go ride GP's in the last 20 years, and no Top Euros come here, until 2 years Ago.
@SeventiesRacer
Individual Titles mean ALOT!!!!
Why else would Cairoli race when there is no chance for Italy to win the Chamberlain, or Herlings. They race because they take great pride in being the best in their class on race day.
If this race weren't in the sandbox, then all Americans would be talking how we would sweep all 3 classes.
Instead we are talking about how we have 3 riders that will do enough to bring home the Trophy even though we very much doubt we will get a moto win or even a class win.
I am one of the few americans that closely follow the GP's, Euro riders ride alot differently than most Americans, they tend to be smooth and let the race come to them, They also pass less aggressively.
I think this is why alot of Americans don't like Herlings, its because he doesn't ride like a typical Euro, He rides like an American rider. He actually rides very similar as Barcia. But he is barely 17 and obviously on this track faster than Barcia.
Dont be offended by my winning practice comment , I am just playing .....kinda
I understand qualifying.....we have them here for gate MX and SX picks - dont be so uppity
Good luck to all competitors tomorrow.........except AC (sorry)
JimM
Pala374
Decosters pedigree is undeniable . I wonder why he has chosen to make his life 's work and contributions to American MX ?
"American MX is no joke " DV12
JimM
Pala374
I loved how Barcia rode he put it down, and BB had an inspired ride as well. On the other hand Dungey was 2nd off the start and fell back to 6th but he got smoked by Tony riding like it was the ISDE. I hope and believe Dungey will do better tomorrow but getting beat by 3 seconds a lap is not good, I bet RC is spitting nails by now.
You have to respect Herlings speed. Last to first in 4 laps and he wasn't happy with that at all hahaha.. He looked pretty pissed when took his helmet off after the race. It's starting to sound very similar to Lirop.
This is hysterical all the chest thumping happening now after qualifying. It is unbelievable how dumb people can be, but there it is in black and white. Here in the U.S. we watch all year as riders like Brayton, Grant, Millsaps and the like win practice and some think it means something.....only to see Dungey crush everyone come race time. The rest of us get it and know the races are what counts. This banter needs to be saved for Sunday evening Euro-fans, when the races are completed. But at that time I expect only excuses or finger-pointing at bad luck when things don't go so smoothly after 35 minute motos.....especially when some will have to be in back to back motos! 20 minutes is a walk in the park and maybe some of you should pay attention to what Bagget was doing with the laptimes in the last 4 laps or so compared with the 2 guys in front of him. The funny part is very few US fans are worried at all and the Euro-guys are acting like we all are. What is there to worry about anyway? The fact is that the US could put together a 6 man team against the best 6 all of Europe has to offer and probably still win pretty handily. I understand why you guys get all the butterflies in yer tummy when someone with a goofy accent pulls a win against a US rider, regardless of whether its practice or qualifying. It must suck watching the dominance for all these years. Imagine those years where our best 4 guys declined to go and 3 more below them still went and won the thing. Man, that must have stung BAD. So, I get it and understand why youn guys are so THRILLED to see anyone without the stars and stripes win any moto or practice.
Thinking european riders are the best in the world is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. Maybe they are just better on this sand track which they ride a lot.
PS: I'm not american but I put a hand on my heart and admit they are by far the best
Not4show-
You guys can't even keep the majority of your former Champs from heading to the US for the challenge and you wonder why Americans don't race the GPs? Here in the US we have Musquin, Roczen, Rattray.....likely soon to be Herlings......Cairoli is the only competitive former champ that raced GPs this year. You can only point to a few more former champs that still are racing. If Townley had not been injured this year, I think the US would have had as many GP title holders racing here as the GPs did racing there. That is not a very good statistic for GP fans to ponder. But be careful what you ask for. RV has spoken of potential interest of giving the GPs a go before retiring. I wouldn't wish that on you guys.
@bigfish66 I would say that since the GP Redbull KTM team is the team that pays for Roger's USA KTM team that yes there is a team in Europe that has the budget of Roger's team.Have another drink.Looks like you started early.
B-KR
I'm American pay a little attention,
No big bike champs have come from the GP's in a long time. If you want to tout all the small bike champs go for it. But in the last 10 years how many different big bike MX champs has the US had? Not many, and one of them is an Aussie. Even our small bike champs don't transition very well to big bikes.
And are the GP riders really coming here for the challenge or are they coming for the money and the experience? Because according to you, they don't stand a chance of getting a title here in the US.
B-KR,
Why should europe worry about RV(time for BillC to get huffy and puffy cause I"m talking about RV now) In 4 years on Big Bikes he has completed only 1 MX season. Then if RV does go over there, it will only be because he is done(no longer dominating "when" healthy) in the US.
USA will win & Barcia will be the hero!
Great ride from Dungey, Baggett, & Barcia, but don't try to catch Cairoli & Herlings if they are too fast (Italy and & the Netherlands are not a threat for the Chamberlain Trophy)
Real sad if you are American because you come off as hating. But you lost me with the comments on big bike champs. Maybe Cairoli would have had some competition if Rattray, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and Roczen stayed in the GPs after winning their titles.....or Reed even bothered to want a GP title before coming over? Herlings and LaSalle have talked about wanting to come to race in the US as well. But you think it is all about money. Seriously, what is the point of me responding? You will just counter any logic. But the capper is asking why anyone would fear RV going after a GP title......even if it is at 27 years old when he is "done". How old is Cairoli right now again? Obviously you'll just take any angle trying to defend the GP scene against the US scene. Sad part is deep inside you know what the truth is.
Ok, so I had to look, in the last 21 years Four Non-Americans have Won the Big Bike class in the US. I never knew G Langston was from S. Africa.
ok, so in the last 10 Years there were 2.
13 Total winners in those years RC had 7 straight 2000-2007
How many Americans have won a GP title or even a GP or moto win?
Look all I'm trying to say is that Europe and the rest of the world bring some of the best riders.IT doesn't matter what race series they are in. They race who lines up next to them. If no americans show at GP's its not their fault.
My list of top 20 riders in the world have 10 american and top from the rest of the world. But thats me I tend to look at things more subjectively than most.
And as far as my comment about RV in the last post. I think RV is Awesome I'd want him and RD to swap titles every year for the next 5 years.
I can understand Americans that like the GPs, but what is it with guys that like the GPs but at the same time put down American racing and American racers? How does that mindset ever enter ones brain? I like watching the GPs but would never be so dumb to claim there is a deeper field of talent there or the fastest riders there are faster than the fastest US riders (except in beach sand). I wonder if such "Americans" just hate the country period.
Real Sad? Its Because of Guys like me that you are able to speak freely as you do. Guys like me have served for the last 237 years allowing you the freedom to make the dumb comments that you make.
Townley, Reed, Rattray, Wilson, Cairoli, Pourcel, Roczen, Musquin, Herlings, VanHorbrook(sp), there are another 2-3 guys that are close, then talent falls off alot.
Tell me these guys arent' in the top 20 in the world
RV, RD, Baggett, Stewart, Alessi, Tomac, Barcia, Canard(if ever healthy) Weimer(but not consistent) after those guys it gets pretty thin
B-KR, I never talk about any rider, they all put so much on the line each time they throw a leg over the bike. I look at who is riding for their strengths and weaknesses on the tracks that they are on. Just like in 2015 when the race goes to Pala, I would not bet against Baggett. he can ride the hard pack like no other. The problem he has in the sand is that it does not get grooved in and with as hard as he hits and the speed he carries through corners he isn't comfortable with it and will dial it back to keep from crashing.
While you're looking things up,. answer your own question about American GP title winners. In the past 20 years there were several of them, 2 of them multiple title winners. In fact you'll see a few years where Americans went 1-2 in the final standings in 125s and 250s.......and the sad part is these were all guys that couldn't find decent rides here in the states.
It isn't my fault if you sound like you hate the US in your posts. Maybe address that issue with yourself because I'm not writing your words there.
250 GP 1981 Danny Laporte. 1991 Trampas Parker, 1992 Donny Schmit
500 GP 1982 Brad Lacckey
125 GP 1989 Trampas Parker, 1990 Donny Shmit, 1994 Bobby Moore.
Ok, so I"m bored,
Seventiesracer, Everts made JS7 look like a stop sign in England I think it was in 2006... And it was not a sandtrack. I think GPs are pretty similar to your great AMA series, just other typ of tracks and racing. Maybe its just that euros are used to travel and explore other countries, and americans think US are the best ALL the time..
Actually its not my fault that your narrowed minded and can't comprehend well. My comments have been well tempered to the US bringing home the title with solid finished With Cairoli winning moto 1 and Herlings winning motos 2 and 3. Dungey finish 2nd in moto 1 and 3rd in moto 3 after Barcia crashes out trying to keep pace with Herlings.
Oh by the way, Herlings beat RV in moto last year in france,
The MXdN is in no way a Barometer on how the standings would be if these same riders faced each other over a 12 race series. Cairolis back luck through the entire time he has competed is just not normal, from bike issues, breaking his wrist and 2007 Redbud where his suspension wasn't allowed through customs so he was riding some borrowed stuff. Just like last year when Baggett went 17-17 when he was the Best US small bike rider.
But hey, B-KR be a typical American and name call, and wonder why the rest of the world cheers when we lose.
Ollie,
Good comments, its why I posted who I think are the top 20 riders from around the world, The AMA and GP series are really not comparable, The GP series is longer and travels to 5 continents, the US is more intense from Gate drop to checker and the tracks tend to be a little less rough and narrower.
It would be awesome to See RV or RD go to Europe for 2 years, or Cairoli come here for 2 years, Why 2 years? Time to adapt to LIFESTYLE change. I don't see Cairoli coming here he is already 27, almost over the hill for MX racers,
Dungey started in fifth place, he didn't get a bad start and lost 45sec in 20min on Cairoli!
Bagget also started in front but just could not ride the pase.
And Barcia tried to run with Herlings and almost killed himself.
The only chance for usa to win this, is if the grume the track with the buldozers before the races...
I was there today. Dungey was real fast with goggles. Bagget was fast. Barcia was wild. Only falls can loose you the title guys. We, Europe, can only hope for the win.
We, the Dutch, will yell as hard as we can for Herlings. Does anyone know how small
the Netherlands are compared to the US. Then you know why we are so proud to have a kid with these skills.
the american would do way better if the track was nice and smooth but really really fast!!!! But this track seems more like what motocross is supposed to be...
THat smooth track idea was a really bad idea in the usa, ...Because some dumb Fart thought really fast racing is what would bring more fans to the sport, and they needed smoother tracks for that...They should have kept it more old school because its motocoss...It looks more dangerous when their bouncing all over the sand and getting squirelly!!! WAY more exiting!!!!
NOw the americans arn't used to it . and looks like the usa won't be 1ST place on the podium at all....
I went to the race at ThunderValley in 2010, the euros had a good qualifier there too & then got crushed in the MX1 main by the US, I expect a different race this time on this euro sand track of which I don't like as it's not a typical motox track, if I wanted to ride sand all day I'll go to the beach. I beleive this gives the euros an advantage on this track as they ride more of this style of track, with that being said, don't count out the US, they will be on the podium also & I expect Caroli, Roczen & Herlings to ride well also. The US is expected to win this event, they ususally do, there is more pressure on them to win, if the trio of RD, BB & JB ride the way they can they will win it again, I hope they do just to silence the euros!
@nosweat
Dutch are the best in Muay Thai since 30/35 years, and always have success in soccer and swimming, so your argument is not valid about the size of your country (and look at Belgium also); If Dutch have succes in kick boxing and not in boxing and in MX and not in road racing (despite Assen) only you know why
The qualifyings results change nothing, the USA will win, only Belgiums can beat them but only if the US have two very bad results, but I doubt, Dungey, Baggett and Barcia are real champions, and the hype from the europeans around Cairoli, Herlings, and Roczen are not interesting because their are from three different country with no chance for the final win
Villopoto is the best US rider, Cairoli the best euro, and Villo always beat Cairoli at the MXoN, and Cairoli know that Villo is better than him, like Everts know that RC was better than him, and Roczen know very well know that he's not faster than Baggett, Barcia, and Tomac, Villopoto can win the MX1 GP title if he want, and Bagett the MX2 but Cairoli and Herlings can't win the AMA MX titles, no way, and I'm not american
wow still loads of USA back tracking!!!...free practice 2day..TC222 went 5secs faster then any1 else!!! ...they were split in2 two groups and herlins group was 2nd out so track was slower...he was 2secs off what TC had done and still way faster than USA....
gets worst for u....they havent touched the track....and the german guys and belgium guys were faster also...
in order for your boys 2do what some said would happen...(give us 2nd rate euros a thrashing) all 3 need to find 6secs if u want tp pull away!!!
but u will all be happy if ya boys take the cup win less???
that ant what you lot was saying all month!!!
win less!!!!! but your the best the fastest!!! how could you loose to total fools...with there 2nd rate championship!!!....pmsl
now its the tracks fault!!!! that sandy backyard thing!!! pmsl same for everyone??
RD had 1 of his own so we all got told???
if u win the cup it will be close very close.....luck will have to go your way..as your not the only team this yr....
i respect the team USA riders as there doing it and wouldnt talk the crap ..
but some of the bench racers on here!!! bout time you gave some respect to the GP boys they arnt slow....
@CZrider
"Seeing him (Barcia) stuff a wheel on Herlings was cool. Cool? do you really ride a CZ or a KXF? So I guess you think it was cool how the Russians stuffed Falta? Or maybe you don't follow CZ history? I am American (have a 73 CZ) but I just hate this G-D mentality that we are the best and have to win ever G-D moto. Let Herlings win it, 2nd would have been fine for Barcia, but NO, everyone expects 1st! So what, should Barcia take out Herlings because that is the only way he will beat him?
Pos Nr Rider Nat. Fed. Bike Bestlaptime in lap Diff. First Diff. Prev. Tot. Laps Speed
1 46 Cairoli, Antonio ITA FMI KTM 1:50.999 6 0:00.000 0:00.000 7 53.514
2 4 Paulin, Gautier FRA MCM Kawasaki 1:54.418 6 0:03.419 0:03.419 6 51.915
3 21 Schiffer, Marcus GER DMSB Suzuki 1:55.044 8 0:04.045 0:00.626 8 51.632
4 43 Bobryshev, Evgeny RUS MFR Honda 1:55.499 5 0:04.500 0:00.455 6 51.429
5 20 Roczen, Ken GER DMSB KTM 1:55.504 8 0:04.505 0:00.005 8 51.427
6 3 Barcia, Justin USA AMA Honda 1:55.630 4 0:04.631 0:00.126 7 51.371
7 1 Dungey, Ryan USA AMA KTM 1:56.887 5 0:05.888 0:01.257 8 50.818
8 6 Boog, Xavier FRA FFM Kawasaki 1:57.956 6 0:06.957 0:01.069 9 50.358
9 31 Goncalves, Rui POR FMP Honda 1:58.305 9 0:07.306 0:00.349 9 50.209
10 2 Baggett, Blake USA AMA Kawasaki 1:58.526 9 0:07.527 0:00.221 9 50.116
morning quali times for group 1. Herlings again slower than Ciaroli in group 2, only just a bit better than Leok, both on 1´52´s
Lommel starting to show her teeth.
IF dungey and AC222 get equal start Dungey will win.Keep in mind AC has a kazillion laps on that track.
Ac is in the lead Dung 7th.Well I guess the Dung is not going to win.Damn.
I see the first race, they are racing a flattrack!! In GPs it's ruffer!!
The track have a new layout, only the sand is the same.
Germans leading.
IF dungey and AC222 get equal start Dungey will win.Keep in mind AC has a kazillion laps on that track
Are you serious? Cairoli is 4 to 5 seconds a lap better off. Remember Cairoli is Italian not a Belgian.
Euro Mike's dream team killed us.
To the euro boys that cant stop bragging on here cause they might finally win a MXON. after 9 years:
FACT:
We have never seen this track before.
We have no knowledge of the track.
We dont know how rough it gets.
We dont know where the fast/slow lines develop.
We dont have years of suspension data and motor and gearing data to fall on.
We are not on home soil.
We have been eating food that we are not used to.
We are racing when we are supposed to be sleeping in the usa.
And, we still have a good chance of winning the trophy, so dont get to high on your horse. Im sure when mxon resumes next year we will continue our domination for another 8 years.
Bagget just get lapped by Super Toni :)
you want it you get it ! :)
Are you drunk Fred? Dugney is not fast enough in the first race. But it's a flattrack.
Getting smoked so far!!!
.RD gets 7th 1:11:3 behind Carolia
.BB gets 14 th, gets lapped
.Roczen gets 5th on a 250, Passed RD
Bermblaster. The track have a new layout, only the sand is the same.
To the euro boys that cant stop bragging on here cause they might finally win a MXON. after 9 years:
FACT:
Hmm, let me think of an excuse. Umm, the planets were not aligned correctly
The dog ate our homework
We got stuck at road works
1st race is over:
Cairoli wins, Gautier Paulin, Max Nagl,Desalle....Roczen 5th and 1st mx2.....Dungey 7th (+ 1 Minute!)....Baggett about 14th and lapped by Toni;)
Hey @Bermblaster... I think you just got OWNED by @Stone.
And rightly so... dude, please stop ridiculously EXCUSING man! It's a really bad look.
Dungey is a champ all the same. Just not today...... and AC222 deserves more respect.
what i cant understand is:
USA is such a big country and you DO NOT have 1 sandtrack like this!?!
Bagget lapped. Anyone hear that pin drop?...early days though
We have never seen this track before.
We have no knowledge of the track.
We dont know how rough it gets.
We dont know where the fast/slow lines develop.
We dont have years of suspension data and motor and gearing data to fall on.
We are not on home soil.
We have been eating food that we are not used to.
We are racing when we are supposed to be sleeping in the usa.
SO WHAT!
I guess when the Euro riders come to USA they get to compete on equal terms. Stop with the excuses, your embarrassing yourself and your fellow country men.
@darley Ac lived there in Lomell for years.
Interesting comments by Bermblaster above....all those points mentioned count for all those Euros coming over to the US as well.
Anyway - we all know the US-Boys are superfast and as a team they still might have a chance. No denying here. BUT to be worldchampion over here in Europe you also have to be a sand-master as there's always 2 sandy races mixed in the series. It's quite obvious that the us-boys struggle today. No surprise though and they still go very, very fast. I wonder when it was the last time Baggett got lapped...or when Dungey got beaten straight up by well over a minute.
Our boyz got "smoked" in moto-1, no excuses!
My only complaint with the whole race was Chuck Sun making excuses for our team the whole race with his commentary! I have been on the gate with Chuck at Washougal when we were in our teens, and hung around pit with him on Saturday nights when we were all just locals, but I do not agree with him making excuses for our team!!!
I'm hoping for better starts and better riding for our boyz the rest of the day???
"GO Team USA"
Fred, in a weird way that was the point i was trying to get across, he had to learn how to ride sand, where as the Belgian's and their Northern European counter parts grow up with it.
Euro Buds: Please know that most of us over here (USA) get the big picture. We are grateful you gifted us this great sport we all enjoy. There are great riders all over the world and it is awesome we get to line up at the MXdN. Yes, we have an advantage as the largest and most affluent single-country MX market, but then it winning every year is a hell of an expectation to fulfill every year. Makes for a heck of a show, though, and one we all enjoy. Lets race!
We cannot control who posts inane pedantic chatter here. Yes, we created Facebook as a sort of Internet bug-zapper, but some still wander out and post here. We are still working on it...
pow pow!!!
Dungey 40 seconds behind Cairolli....OK I would have NEVER predicted that! He was actually losing ground to Kenny before he went down. Well...Bam Bam is either going to become a national hero or zero in the next 3 odd hours. To be honest, im actually more interested to see what Cairolli does to Herlings. Anyone care to predict that one?? I think Cairolli, who has a break now, will be fresh and ready. Herlings will physically be toast...Im still surprised at Dungey's lack of speed.
Elsinore Racer - you are my hero!
Well said and nicely articulated.
Thanks. Back at you.
Elsinoreracer.....well said my friend.....
TC222 and herlins will be interesting...i just dont know...never really seen TC tested....and as yet havent seen any1 have half a chance at herlins...
Second race is up! Hope Barcia and Bagget get good starts. I want to se a great race.
If ours boys lived there and rode that track everyday they would take sand riding to a whole new level thats my point.
Hey @ Fred.....
And if a frog had wings he wouldn't bust his ass every time he hopped.
If ours boys lived there and rode that track everyday they would take sand riding to a whole new level thats my point.
Quiet possibly, but reverse the situation and let the non-USA riders learn the tracks of North America wihout the crazy expectstions tht we place on them to win as soon as they step off the plain. Musquin, Roczen are working it out, just like Chad Reed, Grant Langston, Greg Albertyn, Jean Michel-Bayle, Sebastian Tortelli, David Vuilimen, Ernesto Fonseca and many others did.
Baggett moving forward. Go boy!
Maybe, but you got to agree that Barcia is stupid. Why is he racing like this?
Seriously, Roczenon a 250 is beating Barcia on a 450 in sand
I think Herlings is faster on his 250 than the 350.
Not4show.... and it's Roczens 2nd race..
Barcia would be lapt by Herlings in a GP race... He is from another planet!
Barcia and Baggett has just been lapped by Herlings. Lucky you didn't take that bet BillC.
Barcia out
Herlings is the real deal! Quite an amazing rider in the sand!
well....not much i can think to say!!!......
I'm gonna have to dig out the quotes that people said there would be no way the Americans would get lapped....well you just did....in both motos!!!!!!
Wow...if the Belgium 250 rider had not had that mechanical, USA would be doubtful for a PODIUM. Barring a total disaster for the Germans, the winner Chamberlain trophy is decided. Wow. Anyhow...the real debate now people. Herlings or Cairolli?? Im thinking Herlings...he is untouchable.
I hope ALL bighitters get a god start!
To bad Herlings got a bad start. God for Dugney, because he woun't be lapt...
To bad Herlings got a bad start. God for Dugney, because he woun't be lapt...
1 more lap and would have been. Cairoli finished 2 odd seconds behind him!
Ok let me admit I never thought any of our riders would ever get lapped, so there is no way we are the best in the world.
js7 should have been there but decoster doesnt like him or 800 idiot what about tomac
js7 would have done worse than dungey!!! DOn't know how 800 or tomac would have done...BUt James would have spent his time tasting soil samples!!
As an Aussie who loves the AMA series', the Euro GP's and our own Aussie racing, it's great to read some well rounded, open minded comments on here from people who follow MX world wide. It's a nice change from some of the narrow, nationalist, rubbish most of you yanks have delivered this week :) maybe some of you Merican's (Rev up Bowyer, big ugly
Maniac, mustard dog, small doodle etc, etc) might want to buy yourself a world globe and a Euro GP highlights DVD. You may have a better understanding of why the rest of the world want to like you folks, but find it hard at times :) Also before you yanks continue blowing wind up your own arses about your sporting prowess, remember its a simple numbers game. When you have 10 times the number of motocross racers, compared to any other country you will most likely win the MXON 10 times more often. In Australia Dungey and Baggett would be a good solid blokes, Barcia seems a bit young and excitable. Thanks for allowing me to debrief, the time difference is killing me this week :) DC