450 Words: Cairoli at the Nations
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PrintIf there's a key to Team USA's consistent success at the Motocross of Nations, it's consistency itself. All of the trappings of regular racing--crashes, mechanical troubles, injuries--seem to trap every nation but the U.S. at the race. Just ask the current star of the MX1 division, Antonio Cairoli.
Once again AC222 will enter the MXoN with heaps of momentum, his 1-1 performance at yesterday's German GP delivering his seventh-straight overall win, capping another superb championship season.
But while Super Tony holds six FIM World Motocross Championships, he has never delivered a class victory at the 'Nations, and most often, crashes, bad luck and other incidents prevent him from even having a shot at it.
It was another disastrous MXoN in France for Cairoli last year.
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Just last year, a first-turn crash in his first moto pretty much ended Super Tony's day. He crashed again trying to come through traffic and broke his wrist, leading to a last-place (20th) overall finish in the MX1 division. His 2010 performance was much more indicative of his skills, as he shadowed Ryan Dungey for much of his first moto to finish a strong second, than took fourth in his second moto. Good enough. Perhaps Cairoli's finest performance came in front of his home crowd in Italy in 2009, when he bested Chad Reed in a great duel to win his first moto, while Dungey, in his first 450 race, was a distant third. But it was yet another massive first-turn crash that ruined Cairoli's second moto, leaving him down and out, and officially 38th in the results column.
An injury knocked Cairoli out of the second half of the 2008 season and also kept him out of the 'Nations. In 2007, he came to the U.S. event at Budds Creek with a bit of a rivalry brewing with Ryan Villopoto in the MX2 Class. Unfortunately, AC's bike didn't come with him. After a battle through customs, Team Italy's bikes showed up late, but the course of weekend seemed set. While Villopoto delivered an incredible 1-1 overall performance on his 250F, Cairoli logged disappointing 37-14 scores in MX2.
Cairoli's 2010 performance was much more indicative of his skills.
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Cairoli did get a moto win in 2006, going 10-1 in the MX2 Class (Villopoto crashed while leading moto two, but did still win the class overall). In 2005, Cairoli came into the MXdN as the new MX2 World Champion, but he had troubles again and went 36-29 in MX2.
In all, the six-time World Champion has delivered just two moto wins at the 'Nations, and many more crashes and disappointments. But he appears to be riding better than ever now. Is it finally his time to shine on the biggest stage?
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Some good riders and good racing in Europe, but it should really be called the "European Championship" not the World Championship for obvious reasons. Maybe the individual class winners at MXDN should be crowned as World Champs.... just a thought. Or maybe the AMA series should be changed to The Universe Championship, thereby one upping the World Championship over in Europe.
"Or maybe the AMA series should be changed to The Universe Championship, thereby one upping the World Championship over in Europe."
HAHAHAA man that was a good laugh, thanks.
It has every right to be called the World Championship coz they have riders from alot of different countries competing there and the events are also held all over the world eg. Brazil, South Africa, Australia ect. Believe me Europeans arnt like Americans where they host a Championship in only 1 country and only have 1 country competing and call it the world series. i believe that was/is ur baseball championship? well done world baseball champions whooohooo!!!
Pizza: always criticizing, eat some pizza with some fries on it and calm down
If a euro reads your posts one could think it's the "arrogance series" you have ;-)
that kind of attitude brings the u.s. always all the sympathies every where in the world!
And believe me boys i know and love your country! Seriously!
A BTW arrogance ALWAYS comes before THE FALL!
@Seveneight--Are you retarded?? There are the best players in the world playing in the major leagues in the US.. From all over the world... And Canada has teams in the major leagues too..
And just because you hold a race in another country, doesnt make it a World Championship unless the BEST are there racing all year.. And the GP's that isnt the case.. Just ask Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin, and Pourcel, and Searle, and a host of other former "World Champions" who have come to the States and HAVE NOT won... Just sayin'...
And the US Nationals "have riders competing from alot of different countries" as you say also.. So what is the difference??? Location???
Maybe he can't handle the pressure of a big race?? I was there in 07 when RV schooled the WORLD!! Carioli waited for RV to come by and got behind him but after 1 lap he could not even see RV anymore on the longest straight!!! this year with a holeshot could be his best shot at a win though.
It's true though. It shouldn't be called the World Championships. It should be called "Guiesseppe Luongo's Youthstream International Circus". That man has single-handedly ruined what once was the most prestigious motocross series in the world. His greed knows no bounds. There was a time when some of our best went to Europe to battle for the World title (Brad Lackey, Jim Pomeroy, Danny LaPorte, Marty Smith, etc.) You'd never see a big name go now. And it's not due to American arrogance. It's due to one man's greed. So enjoy the series. If I'm not mistaken, the first race next year is in...Taiwan??? And once again, the riders will have to PAY to race (instead of being paid start money) and the teams will have to pay to fly to far off countries that have no interest in motocross, so that Luongo can milk new markets.
2009 beat Reed?? Wouldn't say Reed was overwhelming in 2009.
2010 beats Dungey in his first race on a 450??
All credit to winning wherever you race, but he needs to get his ass over here to at least try the outdoors. He turned 27 yesterday, so the window is closing. Racing for KTM makes it the best chance to race here.
Spike1911, please don't take the comments of a few fat men who sit behind their computers criticizing all that is foreign to them as a representation of the U.S. in general. Some of us actually ride MX (my arms are sore from 3 hours at Englishtown, NJ yesterday) and have traveled outside of this country to Europe. We understand that while the U.S. is a great nation, we don't have all the answers either. Cairoli is a phenomenal rider, I look forward to an exciting Nations and best of luck to whoever you are cheering for.
The AMA series is just as international as the Youthstream series is. We have riders from all over the world racing here in America, and even the ones who go to Europe first, if they're good enough, eventually come here to compete against the best.
Yeah, I grew up in the U.S. and always dreamed of moving to Europe and making it big time. Then I could be proud and not be hated for it!
That was sarcasm. Just kidding. I hope this MXDN is a good straight up race. The NFL is so messed up with bad calls I need something that is a good contest.
Having a few riders from different countries doesnt make it a world series or world champioship. saying u have lots of riders from different countries racing in the ama? thats bullshit theres like 3 or 4 non americans in each class. in the GP's there will be at least 15 different countries being represented and the GP's would be hosted in a different country every race weekend. A world championship means the best of the Whole world should have to be there. and now dont get me wrong, right now The 2 best are americans, im a huge villopoto fan. but the 40 guys on the start line in the AMA isnt the best 40 in the world. if the europeans were racing the ama they would make up a huge part of those 40 riders. but unfortunetly the AMA and the GP's are 2 different championships and all im saying is the GP's deserve the title world championship more because a larger portion of the world is being represented.
Im not even European :)
And Mr therealmofo. U said Pourcel went to the US and didnt win? he won 2 supercross lites titles and he had an outdoor title locked up till he crashed at the last round. Grant Langston a South African and former world champion also won 2 lites supercross titles and the 450 AMA outdoors national championship. Chad reed raced the GP's couldnt win a championship and came to the US and im sure u know about his accomplishments. Ben townley lites supercross tittle, stephane roncada, Mickael Pichon. Theres lots of riders i cant even remember now that came to the US and beat all the Americans, last years 250 overall championship points number 1 non american and number 2 aswell. So many ama championships have gone to non americans. And yes right night now the 2 ryans are the best in the world but dont pretend like u guys have always been the best and are unbeatable. that goes to some other comments in here as well not just @therealhomo
In the last 30 years the USA has won 22 times.I’m curious to hear some intelligent opinions on why the USA is so dominant
Ha ha ha you yankie doodle dickheads are always blowing smoke up each others rear ends. Really funny.
Yes, Longou has screwed up what was the premier series in the world to the point where the MX1 class only attracted 23 starters on Sunday. Kind of pathetic really considering what it once was. That is not to say the quality isn´t there though, even if it has thinned out at the top. Tony and Jeffery will prove my statement on Sunday by winning their respective moto´s against the MX2 class. The showdown will happen when they meet in the MX1,MX3 encounter, and as good as Tony is in the sand of Lommel, he won´t beat the sand king. Herlings will win the individual overall and the MX3 class, Tony will walk the MX1 class, and Roczen will win the MX2 title.
And the yanks? They might stay consistent enough to take the cup, but it won´t mean jacksh1t, cause we will all know who the real kings are. My European team of Ciaroli, Herlings and Roczen will hand team USA it´s ass. LOL. And to think I will be a witness to all this. How friggin fantastic.
BRING IT ON.
Motod6 did i say the americans suck? did i say they r not good? no infact i said that right now they r the best and in alot of previous years aswell. but dont forget how euro's and south africans and australians came to UR racing series and beat about 37 of ur guys and ur 37 guys couldnt beat 1 euro ( assuming that theres like 3 non americans in the series) And when it comes to MXoN i donno if u americans know this but europe is made up of lots of small countries. so the population of most of those countries isnt even a 10th of the size of the population of the US. If they would put the whole of europe against the US when the population difference wont be that big then imagine Ken Roczen's results in recent years in MXoN backed up by cairoli and chad reed then u guys would have far less tittles
@euromike the US is the country where the riders from around the world come after they win "the world championship." but after they do that they are no challenge to us Americans. and tony is gonna totally suck, probably crash or something, and roczen was no challenge to Baggett or Barcia in the toughest series in the world, so i dont think he has a chance either. Dungey is gonna win it all with Baggett and Barcia close behind.
Just look at Motod6s post, 22 times out of 30, so that leaves 8 for the other countrys, hmm, i wonder who is the best?
oh and about that yankie doodle crap, screw you, you stupid f**k
IF and I say IF herlings wins it will mainly be due to home track advantage that would be like barcia inviting him to a race on his track at his property that he's spent countless hours riding. but dont be surprised if your guys dont deliver, the fact is that any of the 3 we sent over could go and win the "world title" their first year when cairolli and herlings both will never come over here and try it and roczen tried and failed what did he win again one moto?
hey motoman5 dude haha r u on crack. if they r no challenge to the amricans then y r there there so many non americans that have won tittles in the US after they won the world championship? just answer me that pls
Just don't cry too hard when BamBam parks him. hahaha
How long did it take those non Americans to win titles in the states? They got faster racing in the states, against the fastest guys in the world. But your girls are faster. I'll give you that.
Haha most of them won it pretty much right from the get go. pourcel did, langston did, reed did hahaha. im not mentioning others coz i dont know about them but they prob did aswell. hahah thanks for making my come back so easy man :)
@jeramey
So when RV was racing RedBud, it was unfair advantage because it was his home track right, because its in the US? Whatever!!!!!
Whoever can put two motos together for the win will deserve the win no matter where they are from.
How many Americans have finished in the top 5 in MX1, MX2 in the last 5 years?
How many NON-U.S. Born riders have finished in the top 5 in 450, or 250(lites) in the last 5 years?
redbud is not villopoto's home track washougal is my point is there is local non pro racers who race one track every week and every so often a pro shows up and the local gives them a run for their money those guys look fast racing lesser competition there is no way herlings would be lapping up to second place in the ama 250 class if you think that you are seriously delusional and i like herlings by the way thanks to The Moto 3 I had'nt really followed him much before that hes fast but so are the guys we sent over some of you are acting like we sent a couple of rookies who have never ridden off the pavement before check the videos our boys look plenty fast and comfortable in the sand
"How many Americans have finished in the top 5 in MX1, MX2 in the last 5 years?"
.what is your point Not4show?? NO top US guys go over there so you point is stupid!! BUT World Champs come over here, and the last 3 world title holders in the 250 class have 1 moto and 1 over all between them!! Hmmmmmmmm that says a LOT. I am Not a euro rider basher at all but the facts speak for themself!! Both Roczen and MM have said it is harder over hear so I will take their word over yours or dumb azz euromike's anyday!!
Saying there are only 3 or 4 foreign riders in the AMA series is pretty ignorant. Maybe if you're only looking at the top 10, sure. In that case, the same goes for the Youthstream series.
on a side note euromike is the biggest blowhard on this site and a hypocrite also!! Last year he said we would lose the MXD and if we won he would never come back...Hypocrite!!! He also said Roczen would SMOKE everyone in 2012...another FAIL!!! Mike stick a sock in it!!!
one more thing dumbazz euromike, Team USA does not care if they win any moto's, They are there to do a JOB and win the cup. I know thats hard form someone as thick as you to understand but that is the FACT, So take your moto wins and pleasure yourself over them it may be all you have in life!!
@ SevenEight. I wasn't aiming my question at you I was really just asking for opinions. The population argument is a good one but at least stick to your own continent if you're going to build a super team. Reed's a liitle far europe. Also according to your population theory China should be winning all of the time.
@Seveneight--Poourcels 2 supercross lites titles DO NOT count as a title because he only raced half a series against half the competetion.. You should know that if you are any kind of a moto fan.. He had NOTHING "locked up" as you called it, until you win it, which he didnt.. Canard was waxing his as$ the entire last half of the season.. He didnt win a title here period..
@jeremy, no Americans win anything over in the GP's because no top riders go there to race, because the best series is here in the US.. Every top Euro rider dreams of making it big in the US.. Its why the top winners always leave Europe and come to race in the US.. Except the scared ones, who are afraid to leave thier current team for fear of losing..
@BillC, is dead on.. Roczen and Musquin both have said just recently that it is way harder to win here than in Europe.. The pace is faster and everyone charges harder and there are more fast riders.. Both of you Euro guys former 250 GP champs have said it.. Even if you cant stand to hear it it is true..
And Irish/EuroMike has to try and make a team made up of the best from an entire continent to try and match one country!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!! I guess that really does show how great the riders from the US really are, and Irish/EuroMike just proved it.. LOL!!
It still wont work, we would win anyway..
here's to the haters!
http://youtu.be/IhnUgAaea4M
EuroMike lives in his gradmothers basement in New Jersey, He is taking french in 6th grade as we speek, Hence the name.
In the words of the recently passed Rodney King "can't we all just get along"
What is up with the Euro championship? Many of the best coming to the US
{ fine with me) classes not full. How are atendances are the top guys getting paid?
@therealhomo the reason we have to make up a team of riders from a whole continent is coz that whole continent is about the same size as your country and if pourcels tittles didnt count then y is his name up there on the pro circuit truck? i guess they just made a mistake huh? u should call mitch payton and tell him to remove his names. isnt he like pretty much the best tallent spotter? i remember him saying that stefan everts was the best rider there has ever been hahaha.
I didnt want to pull this card but none of u r listening to the facts so im just going to go ahead and do it. ALL U AMREICANS R ORIGINALLY EUROPEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!! long time ago ships sailed from europe to north america where u guys took over the land from the indians. you all got some retarded accents started gettting dumber by the second and gained some weight. so gues wat all ur precious lil riders all have pure european blood running through their veins aprt from the stewarts.
SevenEight if it was all about size and population China and Russia would RULE!!
@BillC hahaha dude u have no idea how invalid that argument is. i have actually seen alot of people throw that argument out there but u guys couldnt be more wrong. In my country we r really into rugby and cricket and india has one of the best cricket teams in the world and their population is litrally like 50 times the population of my country but y r we a million times better than them in rugby? coz they r not into rugby at all. the chinese arnt really into the whole motocross thing, russia is a lil but the sport is not big there at all coz they concentrate on other things. USA and europe r pretty much equally into the sport of motocross thats y the population arguement works with this sport between US and europe. come on guys just think a little bit
SevenEight..AHAHAH.. So according to you the Euros are getting beat by a dumber, more fat version of themself. . WOW well now that you put it that way, I guess the Euro aren't very good at all. I mean, I think they are but according to your "new" not very thought out statement, they suck.
yea man u gotta be dumb to go fast so that u dont realise how dangerous it is and fat to put some weight on the back wheel to get the power to the ground!!
I love the way EVERY single year folks come out of the woodwork from all around the world and talk SO much shit about each other. Thanks for the entertainment!
Can someone get seven eight a burger or a steak. Poor ultra smart and skinny fella is starving:)
As far as subject goes, Cairoli is a great rider with an awesome style. Lommel is his home track. He lives in Belgium. I saw him ripping it up there... He's super fast... Hope our boys adapted to that deep sand! Could be a nice battle upfront:) as far as 07 goes, he had no chance to even sniff Rv's muffler tip:) in fact no one had
Come on bud, now you are letting your anger get the better of you. You basically sound like a child. " Oh yeah, well, well, you're fat and dumb".
Hah Jeramey digging down deep to stir that pot....the actual movie still is hilarious...and true...lol....Blackbeard ...no one fell for it....i'm so proud....I hope Barcia just crushes it...the dude rode hard and mostly clean..looking for some redemption....lol ...and Baggett is now a champ and doesn't want to look so rookie like this go round......I think Euro Mikeys team is a good one and he can call it anyway he chooses.....won't make any difference....Dungey will burn them down....just like he did here ....ain't no kid or no world champ stopping that train buddy.....if they do ...my hats off. Good luck with that and but don't bet your beret'......and watch how they do when it happens....it'll be a smokin' pantomime of "we surrender, gives us our fries and mayo mate".....is there a list off all riders in their perspective classes and bike anywhere...?
Give Caroli some credit, he is a very good rider...and I'm sure he make a very good living racing the GP's... I'm sure KTM is thrilled to have him win the GP's and Dungey, Roczen and Musquin in the AMA Supercross and MX where they get a lot more exposure....it's business guys remember that...
ah i will never get my point across to you people. Just take a listen to what industry experts have to say about how good stefen everts was. and let all those foreign names on the pro circuit truck speak for themselves. and all the other great riders that have won on other teams. The history books will always show how many non American racers showed up in your championship and beat all you americans and theres nothing you can do to change that. other than that glad to see such passionate fans of this great sport. im done and out
peace
You people! What you mean you people? lol
OK seveneight, If you are going to resort to stupid and child-like name calling I am dont with you.. So here is my last response to you.. First off you said we all are origianlly Europeans?? HUH!! You really arent that smart are you.. I sure am not "origially European" Because I was born right here in the USA.. So this is where I am "originally" from..
Stefen Everts was a very good rider, nobody here will argue that point at all.. We are just saying that the US has the best series and the best riders.. And we do.. YOU are the jealous hater name calling and starting arguments because you are a hater, and you want ANYONE to win besides the US..
And show me in the history books how many Non-Americans came over and beat the Americans?? I am not a bigot like you for one thing, I love it when the GP riders win a title andf run here to race.. I makes our series even better.. The best Euro riders know which series is the best, its why they come here..
http://youtu.be/x1iV24hL8Rk
@MItch Payton NEVER said Stefen Everts was the best rider.. I know better.. He said the best moto rider EVER was RC.. Ricky Carmicheal... That was easy.. Everyone who beat Everts left and came to the States to race, Everts was too scared to come here.. He stayed in the GP's to win a title instead of following the guys who beat him.. Like DV12, and Tortelli, among others..Who couldnt win titles here, but beat Everts
All this talk about population size. It has very little to do with that, but the size of the sport in that country. Although having a large population definitely helps. The US has the best amateur program in the world. No doubts. That’s coming from an Australian btw. In saying that, this year, barring any unfortunate events from Herlings and Caroli, the US won’t get any moto wins. This is what this race is all about, the rivalry between country’s and continents.
René-Benito De La Van Der Von Kaputt arschloch wichser, it´s people like you who give the good folk in then USA a bad name. Anyone who´s never been there thinks they are all like you, you know, retarded uneducated hill billies. LOL.
"me got me finga stuck in me bum!" lmao
http://youtu.be/l2_rJzCXW18
haha for those who dont remember what thats from
"...Nationalism is an Infantile Disease, it is the Measles of Mankind...."
Albert Einstein 1918
On the 450 Barcia should hole shot MX3 or at least gate a notch above a 350 so I certainly would not want to be the man passing BAM going into the next corner. Now that is even if you can pass him.
I honestly wont be surprised if barcia beats everyone, he can ride that 450 these euro nuthuggers are gonna realize herlings dont look quite as fast when he's racing people who are faster .......theres guys that think hes gonna lap everyone lol next weekend cant come soon enough
Why are european's so arrogant and acting like losers? because they KNOW. they know that their riders cant even dream of being consistant front runners every year, in the states. i loved cp377 when he was here, but big freaking deal? he won 2 LITES championships in sx and none in outdoors, and what did he do on the 450? NOTHING, i liked ben townly, i know he won a lites sx championship, what'd he do on a 450? nothing. yeah the great euros back in the day won alot, but thats history now. no one can touch the americans, theres a reason why when the guys at the GP start winning, they come to america then fail, then go right back. if cairoli is SO GREAT why doesn't he come down here to race? he has nothing left to prove in the GP's, yeah he has a lil bs reason of staying "to pass everts record for championships" it isnt gonna kill him or ruin his chance at that record to come down for 1 season, he knows he would get killed. and i would LOVE to see herlings come to the u.s.a. thatd be hillarious. USA is gonna win AGAIN and were going to here more excuses of why cairoli, herlings, roczen couldnt get the job done. i would bet anything on the 3 of them if they were ever on a team togeather against the top 3 of u.s.a anyday. heck id even put alessi, weimer and tomac against them lol.. GO USA. RD1 KILL EM
@Euromike, are you retarded? idc what cairolli, herlings or roczen try to do to beat team USA it wont happen, now dont think im being dissrespecful to any 3 of these riders because they would run circles around me when they had 2 broken legs but what im saying is dungey has beat cairolli bagget beat roczen multiple times outdoors and he beat roczen @SOUTHWICK a SAND track so roczen probably wont beat bagget and herlings is the world champ in the MX2 class but barcia im sure could beat herlings the differance is the ktm 350 that herlings will be riding and the CRF450 that barcia has. USA USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!
The only thing that stopped Everts and Cairoli from coming to the US to race is money and fame. The same thing applies to why RV or RC do not go over there. Why would Cairoli pack up his family and move to the states to make less money than he can at home? Same applies to the American riders going over there. I would bet that Cairoli and RV are the highest paid MX racers in their countries so what would they have to gain vers loose? It all comes down to what there goals are.
What would be real cool would be to combine the two championships together and have one true out door world championship series with races in all around the world. That would end all the guessing and trash talk. Nice dream but talk about cost and eliminating all privateer teams.
It cracks me up ... some of you should get a life or at least a job ...
He was the best rider ever!
LMAO!!!!
There seems to be a whole lotta (man) love on this site ...
So if you cannot beat them ... get it?
Huh?
Anyway ... Have any of you little girls out there ever seen Roger D race MX?
Who?
KTM would have nothing to gain by bringing Tony here.That would be putting all their eggs in one basket, they have Ryan to win here and Tony to win there and win it all.
Chase, time to clean house again.
How about not one thing changes and "you people" (you know who you are) keep bench racing back & forth to the exact same outcome?
euromike's picks are solid, he just presents himself like a jerk.
Here, there, whatever. Fast is fast and fast knows no boundries.
@ mit12, yup.
@VISTAJIM, yup.
@ frita_kxf450, fair enough but, I disagree.
@ therealmofo, I don't see the point of bashing Everts. His last (MX) race was the MXdN, he was (arguably) past his prime and gave James Stewart (in his prime) a riding lesson. If he beat the "FMOTP", doesn't that make him "TGTBTFMOTP" (the guy that beat the fastest man on the planet) ?
Motonut wrote:
"...Nationalism is an Infantile Disease, it is the Measles of Mankind...."
Albert Einstein 1918
Im so glad you posted the source of that comment. That´s like a virgin commentating on sex. Einstein was jewish, so what would he have known about nationalism? Israhell hadn´t been founded by then so the jewish people where nationless.
Nationalism is a healthy ideal. Internationalism, on the other hand, is a sickness, a sickness driven by greed, and which desires to create a bigger cake in order to divide it amongst fewer people.
The MXON is a nationalistic event. Americans root for their guys, and we root for ours. Is there something unhealthy about that?
It´s only the internationalists who decry nationalism. They also happen to control the media, and by definition, your opinions.
"Open your eyes and your minds my friends, and be a slave to no man"
Euromike 2012
You are a damn idiot, why don't you go away? This forum sucks bad everytime you post your ridiculous crap. Look at your ISlamic bros, 9/11, all your fault, and you dare to write again, piece of shit
bla bla blal!!! The best are americans! the fastest in the world and the moon! why the top mx riders don't race the usgp's? why they don´t ride one or two gp's in europe or brasil or mexico (forget de Loungoos circus)? I don't understand that.
@super_fro_daddy
"2009 beat Reed?? Wouldn't say Reed was overwhelming in 2009"
Reed was AMA 450 Outdoor Champion in 2009....
Do (most of) you guys realise quite how mentally unbalanced you all seem?
Reading the comment sections under every Racerxonline article these days is like peering into an asylum full of patients banging their heads against padded walls while swearing uncontrollably.
Call yourself Motocross 'fans'? I'd rather you all pissed off and found another sport to desecrate with you moronic ramblings thanks.
@SevenEight - SX lites is not a major championship. Those guys you listed were sandbagging it. haha really took on our best didn't they. hahahahah
The US population is not a factor. California and Florida have produced most of our winning MXDN teams. Not all states in US are into MX.
Not going to the U.S. was the right decision. It's better to be a big fish in a small pond then a small fish in a big pond. - S. Everts
EC, I was at Materley Basin when the small fish eat the big fish for breakfast. LOL.
The fastest man to hit the planet was totally overwhelmed. He and his fat daddy were walking around the paddock in a daze afterwards mumbling something about the MXDN being a "team sport". Yeah right. JS7 couldn´t spell team, let alone sport LOL, and his fat daddy probably thought team sport was when he and his homies gang bang the local gheto queen. Bwahahahahaha.
Everts is the true GOAT, not the little fat boy. Ten (10) times world champ. Just remind me again, how many did fat boy win? LOL. He never came because he knew, deep down in his heart of hearts that it was a lost cause. Everts would have handed him his pecker on a plate over a full season in Europe, and he knew it.
Euromike - you're funny and a good fisher, but you will be on here this time next week, right?? or will you disappear again like a true poor sport when team USA stomps everyone.
i know i said i was done with this thing but i just couldnt resist, now instead of expressing my opinions im just going to post some links to cold hard facts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMA_Motocross_Championship
Obviously on this list there are way more americans than anyone else, thats because its the AMA and most of the races over the years saw prob 95% of the riders on the line was american. Notice how 3 championships were won by South Africans, now im from South Africa and i can tell you the sport is soooo small here, we prob dont even have 300 serious MX riders in this country. so for such a small country to win 2 championships in the 450 class and 1 in the 250 class thats pretty dam amazing. So yea this was just to show you That it has been won by non Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motocross_des_Nations
As u will see there, European countries have won it 43 times and USA 22 times. So over the whole history Europe is better but in recent years USA is better. Well done to u guys for that!! U r the best right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMA_Supercross_Championship
There they dont show which countries the riders r from but im sure u guys will be able to recognise the European riders there. alot more European/foreign supercross champions than there was outdoors.
And then finally http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pltgk3Y0Omw
@Euro/IrishMike--Here lies YOUR problem.. You say the MXoN is a Nationalistic event--Americans root for thier team, and "We" rot for ours.. But you dont have a team that you root for,, you just root AGAINST the USA.. Notr for a particular team.. It makes you a very sad and jealous individual..
Oh @therealhomo now that i posted facts ur quiet?
@seveneight--Are you trying to give us a history lesson, we already know those facts.. We have never said no foriegn born riders have never won our titles here.. We said we have the best riders and the best series.. That is what was said..And that the best riders leave the GP's for our series, and we love it... And Grant Langston is one of my favorite all time riders.. I cheered for him like mad to win the title when he won.. I have met and spoken to him several times.. He is a great guy, and would probably be embarressed by your hatred and bigotry toward the US by one of his fellow countrymen.. Especially since he lives in the US now and owns a business here..
Not quiet, I have a life, an grow up you little child with the name calling, you look like a snotty nosed teenager by doing that.. Have a little pride..
hahaha dude dont tell me about grant langston, pretty much everytime he comes back to SA for a visit our family has dinner with him nd his family. And believe me I dont hate Americans i just hate ur arrogance (not all americans but most i've come into contact with) u guys have the mentality that u r the best at everything and everyone else just sucks. thats wat i hate!! did u like the video on youtube i posted?
Seveneight, never confuse a hillbilly with facts. It´s just unfair.
Therealhomo, you just got owned dude. LOL
BTW homo, my team is the USE (United States of Europe, Europe being a continent, just like America, so that´s fair, right?), and my team is; (said in my best Michael Buffer voice)
MX1, the reigning woooooorld champeeeeeen, Antoniiiiiiiio CIAROllllli.
MX2, the #1 contender for the AMA250 title in 2013, Kennnnnny ROTZNaaaasa
MX3, the king of the sand, and reigning world champeen, Jefferrrrrrry HERLiiiings.
That´s who I´m rootin for.
Lets see if the 3 yankie doodle hillybillies can top that team, my fine feathered friend. LOL.
@Irish/EuroMike--The US is NOT a continent idiot..
@seveneight--You say you hate arrogance, but you team up with the most arrogant and rude person on this site--EuroMike, and you have done nothing but be arrogant and insulting on this entire thread.. You act just like the people you hate.. And your jealousy of everything American really shows.. There is no way a class act like Grant Langston hangs with a guy like you..
@MIke--North America is a continent--NOT the United States of America, As for your team, dream on,
And I dont even think EuroMike is really a Euro--he knows too much American slang.....
@red44 in my last thread i said i dont hate americans, i said i hate their arrogance and i didnt team up with euromike, not once have i mentioned anything he said on this thread or mentioned him in anyway until now. Look this is the bottom line i think ur riders are the best right now, and have been for a number of years, i mean im a die hard villopoto fan. and im such a huge pastrana fan, he is undoubtedly the most talented overall dirt bike rider ever, no one else even comes close. I just hate it when u guys go on as if u have always been the best and no one has ever beaten u guys, just wanted to make my point that foreign riders have beaten all ur guys for championships in ur own series. and to remind u that other countries have won MXoN before even though u guys r on a win streak now. just give some credit where credit is due. and as for the jealousy of all things american hahahaha no dude haha no no no no. U guys r great at alot of things dont get me wrong but theres alot of things where u guys completly miss the target
Euromike says facts after posting guess work like this"Everts is the true GOAT, not the little fat boy. Ten (10) times world champ. Just remind me again, how many did fat boy win? LOL. He never came because he knew, deep down in his heart of hearts that it was a lost cause. Everts would have handed him his pecker on a plate over a full season in Europe, and he knew it"
.Where are the "facts' in that?? Mike you are so blind that you don't even see that you did and said the same crap last year and even said you would NEVER come on this site again if team USA somehow won. You are a SAD SAD little man!!
SevenEight...the "facts" back up us saying the USA is the best in MX. you are the one who is showing arrogance .
@BillC please start reading my posts carefully, I even admitted that u guys are the best right now? so y r u trying to prove to me that u r? And no the facts do not prove that u r the best, they prove that u r the best right now and the best in the 80. how does 43 to Europe and 22 to USA prove that u guys r the best? but yes RIGHT NOW u r the best well done
Well we did not even go to any when it started so I would hope Europe has more wins!! sence we started going in 81 how are we doing compared to europe?? I say the facts prove we have been the best sence 1981.
. You say we are the Best "right now" but we are living "right now" so when someone says we are the best they mean "right now" i don't see what your pont is? Because europe was better 40 years ago we can't say we are the BEST right now?? makes no sence to me!! I guess who ever won the world series last year can't really say they are the best because they did not win it 40 years ago? explain??
reminds me of the movie Spaceballs... "what you are seeing is now, you mean now now? ect" LOL
Hey, how do you think the U.S. team will do?
This article was originally about Carioli and his spotty record at the 'des Nations.
One euro racer has come over to the states and dominated legacy style. The "Star Buster".... JMB. I have his autgraph. He was amazing.
And he wasn't arrogant. (Cough)
Gees with the Dean Wilson crap...Dean is fast by way of U.S.A. dude rode minis here...I don't care where he was born. Jeff Ward wasnt born here either just made fast here.
And AC222 that fool needs a dental appointment. Oh and wait if EuroMike get a dream team, next year for supercross I get Villopoto, Reed, Stewart and Dungey on my team, bet you my team gets the most wins and a title!!!
In 2006 he was way faster than Villopoto! And now he is just as fast as Dungey or Villopoto on any track, except suppercross offcourse
How many former World Champs are racing in the U.S. right now and how many former World Champs are racing the GPs? Right now we've got Rattray, Musquin and Roczen racing in the U.S. Cairoli and Pourcel were racing the GPs in 2012.....I think Ramon and Phillipaerts are the only other champs still racing GPs at all. The trend is becoming that riders put in the time in the GPs with a goal of going to America, once they get their title on the resume. How long before Herlings is here as well?
B-KR wrote: How long before Herlings is here as well?
Not long, but it´s about money, not prestige. It´s simply becoming financially impossible to contest the GP´s.
The cost of one start in a GP is 1000€ ($1250)
The cost for one start in the European championship (run at the European rounds of the world champs) is 300€ ($375)
Prise money. Nil
Travelling expenses. Nil
Who can afford that other than the works riders or the very rich parents? No wonder the talent pool is drying up as the younger generation turn their attention to other sports where they can at least earn a living if they are any good.
Agreed EuroMIke. I dont like a lot of what you say , but your opinions about the poor state of the GPs are spot on. Most of the young riders coming through are paying teams for their ride . If there is a diference in the depth of talent between Europe and the US, it is only set to get worse. Money . that is the reason why there are European riders going over to contest the AMA nationals and not vice versa.
on the negative side... Euro Mike your comments on James Stewart , his dad and ghetto queens are despicable, racist and infantile.
@ jammer
Infantile? I´ll give you.
Racist? Why? Because he´s black? You mean you actually factored his skin color into the equation, then call ME racist???????? Give your head a shake fella.
Despicable? Hardly. Despicable is when you rape someone or do something just as...........well, despicable, I guess. Making a joke about some fat dude who behaves badly is´t despicable. It´s FUNNY.
That´s life through the eyes of Euromike. LOL.
This is just sad. Please take up something else where your unrepentant ignorance and profound lack of critical thinking skills (look that up, I guess) are a plus. I cannot imagine where that might be, but please denigrate something else with your mere participation.
ok american peeps....why cant you see that 80% of what euromike says is just to piss you off???...lol.....dont bite!!!
but...i like his dream team idea....it will be interesting to see there scores and how they match up if they were a team...
i do think there are alot of people here that dont ride or dont ride at a level...some crap on here is just silly!!!
euromike is hated only because...he attacks the few americans that are full of crap....i.e worldchamps is 2nd rate ect....thats not true...real racers will know this...
everyone is intitled to there say...some get rude and over the top!!
iv said it before....most of us race or have raced...we have that in common....if we met we would get along and have a beer chating mx...
i just want to see a good race.....dont u!!??? my bet is mx1mx3 will be that good race!!!