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Friday, September 14, 2012 | 9:20 AM

Ping,

After careers are over, do professional racers get discounted/free bikes from the manufacturers of the last bike they raced on?  The GOAT is on a Suzuki, Fro is on a Kawi and Jeremy on his Honda. Do you guys just go with what you feel is the right bike or just an allegiance with a brand? Is there a contractual obligation in some instances? Same question applies to gear, boots, helmets, etc.

Thanks,

90% (I crashed last year and still recovering - freaking concussions!)

 

 

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90%,

The free bike thing is something that has diminished significantly since the economy tanked. The standard used to be that if a rider won a championship with a brand or had a longstanding relationship with them he got a free bike to use for the year as long as he was still actively riding. Some of that is/was just based upon relationships the rider built over the years. In some cases, riders still have contracts with manufacturers. McGrath still does testing for Honda, RC has some sort of ambassador/development agreement with Suzuki and Emig still does some PR work for Kawasaki. Some guys who used to get bikes have since been cut off [Greg Albertyn with Suzuki and Grant Langston with Yamaha—though Grant now gets bikes from KTM since he owns a dealership].

As far as gear goes it is usually relationship-based. Carmichael and Emig have been Shift/Fox guys forever so they maintain that friendship. Jeremy is a DC athlete so he probably has some type of business arrangement to help them launch that product. Again, it usually comes down to the way you treated people when you were racing. Jason Lawrence is probably not still getting free bikes from Yamaha is my guess.

 

PING

 

PING,

First off, my girlfriend is a cover-up… I love you. Seriously though, I was just reading through Dan Truman's chart of projected national numbers for 2013 and it got me to thinking… I cannot find anywhere in AMA rules that says you are not allowed to run the number 0 or 00 (unless I really overlooked something) so why does nobody run these? I was 00 in high-school basketball so in the event that I would wake up tomorrow and have an AMA championship to my name, I would like to be able to keep my career number, I'm sure you can appreciate that.

My more important question is, can just a run-of the mill college grad ever have a job in the motocross industry? Specifically in journalism? I have ridden and raced quads for 13 years and currently am a junior in college and I would work for free [possibly pay Coombs] to write for Racer X, or any motocross publication for that matter. However, I feel like I am at a bit of a disadvantage because most of the columns I read seem to be written by current or former racers, guys who have been a big part of the MX industry for a long time, or Weigandt, who knows all things. I am a motocross nerd to the maximum imaginable level, soon will have a bachelor's degree, have watched Motocross 101 about 751 times (roughly) and, in addition to my ATV racing, have about 30 hours riding experience on an 87 XR250R. Think I've got a shot?

Thanks for your assistance, your column rocks and so does Racer X,

A. Ray #227 (Who should be #00)

 

 

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Ray,

This question hit me like a slap in the face. Why doesn’t anybody use that number? Why don’t I use that number? It reeks of self-deprivation, hockey fan jerseys and bad football place kickers but I’ve never, ever seen it run in the motocross world. There are NASCAR teams that use the double zero, Celtic’s icon Robert Parish wore the number and Clark W. Griswold was a fan. So, why not in moto? I contacted the AMA to get an official response and they said… nothing. They never got back to me. But I will find the answer to this; you have my word. The real question is: Do any of the riders eligible to pick a permanent number have the balls to run the double zeros if it is legal?

Regarding your request to work in the motocross industry as an editor I don’t think it looks good for you. You actually had me feeling all warm and fuzzy with some flattery, the number issue and college education. But then you dropped the quad bomb on me and I went from midnight to six faster than Neil Patrick Harris at the Playboy mansion. I was even willing to overlook the fact that you are currently riding a 1987 XR250R, your thirteen-year history of racing quads is a major black eye for your resume. My suggestion: Change your name, sell the quad and never speak of it again, send in a resume explaining your willingness to work for free and put about 30 more hours on that XR of yours. You’ll be editing The Racing Paper in no time.

 

PING

 

Dear Ping,

I enjoy your weekly column and, against my better judgement, I value your opinion.  My pre-teen son is on his 7th year of racing and we have made many friends along this journey.  Within the last couple of years MX training facilities are sprouting up in the southeast faster than James Stewart face plants in the dirt.  We have a large number of friends who are sending their 12+ year olds off to live at these compounds for weeks at a time.  Some parents are staying there with the kid, some are leaving them and travel back every week or so for quality parent/child time. Without considering the cost, what are your thoughts on this?  Is this the next evolution of the sport?

Gratefully,

Southern Moto Mom

 

 

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Moto Mom,

There is definitely an upside for those willing/able to spend time in a group setting like that. Getting to ride with faster kids, riding good tracks and having all the training equipment and support in one location is a big plus and kids can make huge leaps in speed and skill in a short period of time by attending one of these camps. However, be careful not to turn your kid completely loose with a bunch of other kids. My dad had a saying when I wanted to do something like that: “Son, I’ll give you just enough rope to hang yourself.” I knew that if I screwed up that I would be paying for it for a long time and he made sure he followed through. He once sold my bikes and trailer because I brought home a D on a mid-term report card in algebra class. I didn’t touch a motorcycle for almost an entire year. After that I never let my grades slip again and I really appreciated my bikes and the effort my family put into my racing. I would suggest staying there with your child or at least visiting regularly because even your precious, little angel will end up blowing up chickens with M-80’s and lighting things on fire if left parentless with a group of other boys. True story.

Good luck with that.

 

PING

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Welker wrote: 10:21am September 14, 2012

Well we could gon with the number stuff from 0,00,01,02,03,04 and ect.... Why not it would let there be more two digit nbr people out there and ad more confusion to the AMA numbering system. Then we gotta ask Ping why he runs Ben towley's nbr 101? lets go posters!

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joemotocross589 wrote: 10:50am September 14, 2012

Call me old fart, but I dont like it 00???? nope. 01? nuh uhh.

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RTC92 wrote: 11:04am September 14, 2012

@Southern moto mom,

When I was about 15 I was pitted next to who else but Blake Bagget at Loretta Lynn's..I remember him riding a 65 at the time and playing with toy dirtbikes in the sand..The point of this is that his dad Tom and my dad got to chatting about the fact that all the support in the industry was in California and with a 4th overall in the 125C class and then a top 10 in 125B the following year, Tom was convinced that I would have had a shot at a decent support program if I re-located. This was not an option as far as the whole family moving, because my parents had jobs which would not allow fo transfers, however, I did have an opportunity to go and stay out west with a then rising star from the western Pa area (who eventually locked down rides with factory suzuki and factory yamaha once turning pro). Low and behold I never made it out west, my mom wasn't comfortable with sending her little boy 3000 miles away (understandably) and I only learned about this missed opportunity after I decided to hang up the boots and give college a try when I was 19 (In my mind, It wasn't realistic to think I was going to make a living racing anymore)..long story short, I still to this day think about what could have been. Had i got some support and made a name for mysef, instead of chasing year-end points at local district races. If this is your son's dream then i recommend at least considering giving the training facility a chance..and even if that doesnt work out, if you son's will and desire is strong enough, then he will find a way to make it work without a fancy training facility..hope this helps a little bit in your decision!

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warmlake wrote: 11:30am September 14, 2012

Jimmy Ellis ran 0 for years in NESC before he went pro.

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BigUglyManiac wrote: 12:02pm September 14, 2012

Maybe Dunge could run the big number 01 on his orange bike, wear orange gear with blue stripes and white stars, and then get THE HORN. Be a big hit down in Atlanta, and he could hit the horn when passing Alessi. Coo coo coo... Just a good ol boy, never meaning no harm...

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mgwest949 wrote: 12:06pm September 14, 2012

In the mid-70's, the back cover of every motocross magazine (well, there were only 2) was an ad with a picture of "World Mincycle Champion" Flyin' Mike Brown on his Indian mini. Mike would go back and forth for the wins with none other than Jeff Ward. In all of those pics, there was Mike with his number prominently displayed - "00". Ask Jeff.

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mgwest949 wrote: 12:11pm September 14, 2012

By the way, for those too young to know, it was a different Mike Brown than the old guy who is still kicking ass in the 450 class on occasion. Flyin' Mike Brown went on to become a motorcycle "daredevil" ala Evel Knievel. Tragically, he crashed hard at an event in Idaho and lost a leg, ending his career.

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MustardDog wrote: 12:42pm September 14, 2012

Flyin Mike was an Indian Dunes legend.

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Welker wrote: 1:02pm September 14, 2012

First @ RTC92 Gee and you are talking about Blake Bagget. Some of us older guys can tell you what it was like to try to make it in the early days aks mid 70's to early 80s. Go to the Vault and check it out. You will find a few guys from all over that would make it big at one National a top ten or so but could not get anysupport. At there were a few like Weinart and Ellis Pomeroy and a few others but if you wernt in California you did not really have a chance. There were a lot of fast guys in the midwest finnaly Barrnet made it. Also at the time Dist 17 ILL had a lot of fast guys alao MO and Iowa started to get some reconition. The point is you could look at the roster and 90% of the guys were from CA.

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Welker wrote: 1:06pm September 14, 2012

@ joemotocross you said my typing was getting better iit is because I am trying to go back and fix my mistakes. Got tired of the spellcheckers on here giving me trouble?

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motojoe710 wrote: 1:11pm September 14, 2012

hate to a nit-picker, mike brown was just "0" not "00".

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Welker wrote: 1:12pm September 14, 2012

Yes I also have known some people that ran 0 or 01 racing. Maybe they can figur e out a way to incorperate those other nubbers. I think tat if some of them used 0 or even somthing like 07 for a permanent nbr it could give them the reconigtion that they want. work it into the 125 er I mean 250 class in Supercross that might be the best way. Since it is supposed to be the "B" class after this year I am not so sure?

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Welker wrote: 1:15pm September 14, 2012

PS: then I will shut up another fo instance might be like last year when Barcia race the 450 he could have been 017 that way the spectators might know that he moved up from the 250's. I dunno just rambling..... gonna log off now.
Yall take care now.

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VISTAJIM wrote: 2:25pm September 14, 2012

I knew Ping could not pass up the quad thing.Ray, you should have known better tan to mention that.

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JaminGeorge wrote: 2:49pm September 14, 2012

My friend ran 09 in the 100 class in the nesc in the 70's
Back when 100cc bikes where full size bikes. Good way to get started when your young.

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mxmofo1 wrote: 3:16pm September 14, 2012

I seen a guy back in the day that was # 007. His name was Bond,, James Bond..

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BillC wrote: 3:16pm September 14, 2012

For Ping.

.The hardest part about riding a quad is telling your parents your gay!! LOL

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mnvet134 wrote: 3:56pm September 14, 2012

Tortelli ran 013 before Voss got it.

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rustymxer wrote: 4:29pm September 14, 2012

You R right Big Ugly, every redneck or wannabe would be running that 01

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Hammerhead251 wrote: 8:23pm September 14, 2012

@mxmofo1, you are close on #007 - his name is Roger Moore.

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Hammerhead251 wrote: 8:25pm September 14, 2012

Wasn't Chad Lough running #00 when he crashed at

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Hammerhead251 wrote: 8:26pm September 14, 2012

Birch Creek and broke his humerus?

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Moto67 wrote: 11:28pm September 14, 2012

Multiply zero by anything and you get zero. Multiply infinity by anything and you get infinity. Dividing a number by zero yields infinity; dividing a number by infinity yields zero. Adding zero to a number leaves the number unchanged. Adding a number to infinity leaves infinity unchanged.

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joemotocross589 wrote: 8:19am September 15, 2012

@Welker my friend, I think ya mix me up with someone else frquently. I never critisise typing on here. Old michigan rider is correct though.

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mxmofo1 wrote: 5:11pm September 15, 2012

@hammerhead251,, Hahaha, Roger was one of them...

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Over_the_Bars wrote: 7:52pm September 15, 2012

Hey I used to race 3-wheelers --- 200X stock class

My mom thought motorcycles were to dangerous

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comedian66 wrote: 7:50pm September 16, 2012

Welker....as much as I absolutely hate to be the bearer of bad news....not to mention a crusher of anyones self inflicted ego...I have to tell it like it is...you will not get support if you are a squid...

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mgwest949 wrote: 4:11pm September 18, 2012

@motojoe710: You're right. I stand corrected. Flyin' Mike's number was "0", not "00". Here's the ad: http://dadsvintageads.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/1974-indian-mini-cycle-racing-flying-mike-brown-ad/

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