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Friday, August 10, 2012 | 9:35 AMPing,
I'm in my late 20's so I'm not quite old enough to have man crushes just yet, so I apologize for not stroking your ego to start my email. I have noticed that racerx doesn't do a race recap of the 250 or 450 2nd motos. I would think that this would be the most important race to recap since it is the most difficult moto to watch on tv. Why is that?
Another great article is the "Sign of Lap Times," however, after observing the average lap times I am always left confused on how these are calculated. Take moto 1 from Washougal for example. MA won the moto, but had a slower average lap time than RD who we all know finished 2nd. We can agree that who ever wins the moto has the overall lowest time to complete 30minutes + 2 laps, and we can also agree that MA and RD completed the same number of laps. So to find the average time you would divide total time/number of laps completed. Therefore, who ever finishes with a lower time (ie.1st place) should have a lower average lap time. Am I right, or am I right?
Laith
Dear Laith,
I think the reason we don’t recap the second motos is that we don’t want to spoil the results for people waiting for the TV show. At least, that’s the best answer I have. Regarding your second question, I do have a good answer. To make sure I knew what I was talking about I confirmed it with Jason Weigandt, a walking motocross encyclopedia and knower of facts. Here’s the reason: Lap times from the start of the race to the finish line at the end of lap one are not recorded. So, timing the average lap times is actually only the average from the beginning of lap 2 until the finish. If Alessi has a way better first lap he won't get credit for it on the average lap time calculation. This is an AMA timing and scoring deal so there's not much we can do about it…times from the start to the finish on the first lap don't exist anywhere.
Maybe you can foster an internal bromance with Jason Weigand as you continue to get older. The Weege is one handsome bastard.
PING
Dear Ping,
I enjoy keeping up on the moto world through several of the on line sites and have Racer X saved on my favorites. I look forward to reading your columns because of your quick wit in handling some of the most misled questions ever devised by a form of life. You’ve got a gift for turning a phrase. Your masterpiece of all time was the one about the Chinese motocross team. Loved it and still laugh about it when I think about it. A reprint is way overdue.
On to my question/problem/issue/heartburn. Who actually listens to the noxious, screaming, head banging music that “they” insist on blasting on the moto video clips on the net. I was watching Jessy Nelson the other day and really enjoy listening to his story when they cut to his riding and cranked up this noxious crap that I’m sure someone out there calls “music” “art” “expression” “interpretation” or some other liberal buzz word that really means “shit being screamed by some flunky that can’t do anything else and otherwise has no redeeming value and no musical talent for sure”.
Do you have to hold your pants up with one hand to appreciate this stuff?? Do you have to pin your ears inside of your hat? Do you have to stay up late and sleep until noon while your rich dad pays for your rent, truck, bike, parts, wrench, etc. etc?
How stupid does a person have to be to pay for this crap (or have his dad pay for it), listen to it willingly, then comment to his friend, “Listen to this man, this is an awesome song.?”
This is not just bad; man it is repulsive with zero element of talent.
I’m stymied by it.
Please advise quickly, I’m getting a cramp in my left hand from holding my pants up.
Thanks,
Digger Dan
Digger,
I can’t take too much of the punk/screaming that accompanies many motocross videos either. But there is a reason you hear so much of it. One of the most difficult parts of putting together a quality video is finding music you can use. Sure, you can rip music off and hope nobody says anything. But if you do get caught the ramifications can be big. So, we have to use music that we have permission to use. The guys at Strung Out are big moto fans and they give us carte blanche to their playlist. We also get some stuff from Daniel and Vincent Blair, but those guys don’t release a whole lot of new music [often times because they are too busy riding]. I would tell you to try and appreciate all forms of artistic expression and that each of us is a special snowflake, but… Well, I think that is a bunch of crap. So, keep a finger on the volume button and play something off your own cache of music if you have to. Just remember that you don’t pay anything for the massive amounts of info/entertainment brought to you by this or any other site. Perspective.
PING
Pingree,
I was wondering what it was like riding for Mitch Payton back in the day? I know you rode there sometime during the 1990’s and I hear lots of stories about Mitch. Is he really as tough as they say?
Scott Dalton
Scott,
I spent three years (’95 though ’97) riding for the Mitch and his juggernaut Pro Circuit Kawasaki race team. Today Mitch sets the standard for excellence when it comes to race teams but things were still a work in progress back then. After coming out swinging with McGrath, Swink, Antunez and Lamson on Hondas, Mitch had to start from scratch on green bikes in 1993. The 1993 KX125 was, to put it eloquently, a steaming pile of crap. It made all the horsepower of a pencil sharpener and weighed as much as a dump truck-sized chunk of lead-coated lead with lead filling. It was heavy and slow is what I’m driving at. But Peyton and manager Mike Hooker hit the dyno room and didn’t come out until they had a bike that could win. And with the help of a consistent Jimmy Gaddis they won a West Coast SX Lites title that year. The bikes continued to slowly improve over the years with occasional ups and downs. Ryno was doing the testing in 1995 so our bike only worked if you held the throttle wide open and savagely abused the clutch. They’ve improved every year since and once things switched to four-strokes they really made big gains.
As far as Mitch goes, he is a pussycat now compared to the way he was then. He would give you a verbal thrashing back then that would leave you in tears. For masochistic types like Hughes that approach worked. Ryno would get mad, train harder and do better. Nathan Ramsey was the guy who changed Mitch. In a heated argument he got through to Mitch that he didn’t work that way. He wanted a more practical approach to improving results and a calmer, more rational working relationship. He has softened up a bit but you still want to avoid his office if he’s having a bad day. I’ve gone in there before when I didn’t know it was a bad day and as I cruised through his door he just stared at me like I had defecated on his desk. Now I’m careful to check his hair before I talk to him. I call it his “mood hair.” If his hair is poofy and tall it indicates that he is stressed and has been running his hands through it all day. If it’s still relatively manicured and held in place with hair product go ahead and approach him.
As tough as he is in business, Mitch is a guy who genuinely cares about the people he’s involved with. As long as you are in his good graces he will have your back through absolutely anything. I respect the hell out of him for his work ethic and his loyalty. Visiting Pro Circuit is a must if you are in the southern California area… just be sure to check Mitch’s hair before you say hi.
PING
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Well Ping you might want to avoid Mitch after you spelled his last name wrong in your article.
How about we skip the music and just listen to the bike?? Seems easy to me.
Dear Music Video Producer Guy,
You already have a natural, great, sound track. It's called the motor.
Yes, four strokes don't sound anywhere as good as a wide open 2 stroke but any race bike at 14k rpm sounds far better than all of the "music" combined.
kx408 Ping did not use his last name.
Hey Digger Dan, you can always break out your Frank Sinatra collection and stop bothering Ping with your close-minded foolishness. Oh wait. That's what keeps Ping in business. Carry on....
I just turn off the audio when the music starts. I watched a video a while back that had no music, just the sound of the bike, to me it was so much better!
Everybody in their brother thinks theyre a videographer or editor because they can take footage of anything and put music behind it. 9 times out of 10 it's just the music that has artistic talent, not your crap-ass video or editing skills.
So I would have to say that, while adding music to a video is a total cop out and almost always means YOU SUCK, I think it's probably important or else a lot of these videos would just be straight garbage.
Moto is lucky though, because even without music, the sounds of moto are music enough.
I mute everything and rev my bike in house when i watch videos
@BillC.....ya he did. He spelt it Peyton instead of Payton. Re-look bro.
In that Your favorite band picture.I would like to Tag theat chick that is tagging the wall.Wait! That was a chick,right?
Right you are
SeventiesRacer ... I missed it TWICE!!! LOL Sorry KX408
Strung Out is bad ass. So is Main Event. Sooooo tired of this engine only argument crap- if you don't like it, don't watch it.
There's another view....
I have a band called 'Mitch's Hair'...somedays we rock and somedays we don't. We have a guy that plays the grinderphone and a lead singer named Bagg's that plays banjo (insert deliverance sound track here) and will stage dive from fifty feet whenever we play Texas....and we love 'motorcross'....
Quality article, but you need to work out a little hair product yourself prior to answering some of the questions - You had some good setups in there, but you pulled your punches a bit... Is that age and wisdom infecting your highly refined method of "talk now, think later" modus-opporandi?
Still, your article is real quality journaltainment. Well done.
Laith, Ping is right about the first lap of the race not being timed but is not the only reason the times seem off. The starts matter a lot, in the first moto at Washougal Dungey started in about 4th or 5th so he came through the scoring section a good bit behind the leader however as the race went on and Dungeys lap time fell after he passed his way into 2nd he caught the leader. Also Dungeys timing started when he crossed the finish line his first time not the leaders and as I said Dungeys first few laps were slower because of people in front of him.
I say just run the theme song from the movie Top Gun for all MX videos. ie( Danger Zone). Who didn't like that?
I generally like the songs chosen for the videos. In my opinion, the genre fits the sport....provides the right "crazy but rhythmic" energy.
I remember one of the old TV announcers describing motocross as "controlled chaos." Loved that description....the music is similar. I've been a moto headbanger since I was a kid though.
Regarding the one hand pants holding up stuff....I don't meet your description, honor student, full academic scholarship to college, former Army Infantryman (scholarship was second 2 years; Army funds paid for the first 2), good paying white collar office job, house, married, kids. Just so you know headbangers come in all shapes and sizes.
My complaint when I watch a riding video is if the music is boring and, no, sound of the engine doesn't make the cut. Sound of the engine is great here and there and needs to be in there but not as a solo through the entire thing.
Actually these riding videos have helped me discover awesome new (to me) music and bands through the years, starting with the original Crusty Demons of Dirt so I'm very appreciative of them. Speaking of that I'm going to blast one from that video now on my computer..... :-)
Maybe try not to be such an old crotchety complaining curmudgeon....btw I may very well be older than you. Now get off my lawn! It is my life after all.
In particular "States of Mind" by Senser....wow, do I love that song. Something I'd have never heard without these videos.....that song in the original Crusty with Emig launching off the sand dunes is one of my favorites video "memories" of all time. Wow was that cool and the two together excited the hell out of me...so awesome!
Found it! If they allow links here.....at 7:22 (btw, I think that's Emig, in my mind it was anyway)......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC8frJplY9w&feature=fvwrel
Bad ass.....that video and that song mated together....just bad ass....that was the description I was searching for earlier.