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Thunder Valley 450 Moto 1 Report

Saturday, June 2, 2012 | 3:05 PM

When the gate dropped Tommy Hahn rocketed out to take the holeshot, but it wasn’t long before James Stewart started making moves. Roughly six minutes into the race, Stewart had taken the lead and was checking out while Dungey was stuck trying to fight his way past Jake Weimer.

It was starting to look like Stewart would extend his winning streak to five straight motos, until he went down hard and pulled out of the race. A few minutes later Stewart told the television crew that he had crashed while attempting to avoid a spectator that was crossing the track.

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Dungey took his first win of the year
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With Stewart out, Dungey went on to a relatively easy win, with Weimer taking second. Brett Metcalfe and Mike Alessi battled hard over third in the closing stages of the moto, until Metcalfe took over the spot when Alessi failed to clear a table. Metcalfe would extend his lead several turns later when Alessi got held up by a lapper. Nico Izzi would round out the top five.

After taking the holeshot, Hahn crashed and finished out of the points. Broc Tickle DNF’d the moto with bike problems.

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Erik220 wrote: 4:05pm June 2, 2012

Maybe it wasnt the bike? Anyway whats up with all the "above the influence" commercials? They show it during a motocross race but not something like jersey shore?

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RCRDDW wrote: 4:06pm June 2, 2012

All you guys who get all "tingly" over James Stewart do you remember what I posted Thursday? Hete ya go...

Bench Racing Ammo: Stewart vs Dungey
Thursday, May 31, 2012


"RCRDDW wrote
Nobody's gone anywhere BillC. Dungey fans are posting more than ever on here. We are ready to light it up on here when the Dunge starts winning these things and Stewie starts planting that Suzuki and shows us all that he hasn't matured a bit.

Whatever: It is well know that Stewie has been riding a Suzuki for months now. JGR was well aware of it. He was testing that thing while he was pretending to be injured during Supercross. When RD starts spanking that butt he'll be injured again I'm sure."

http://www.supercross.com/ama-motocross-race-results/2012-lucas-oil-ama-pro-motocross-round-3-lakewood

Now that's a hole shot!!!!!

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djc259 wrote: 4:06pm June 2, 2012

You guys kept saying on the broadcast that was ktms 1st moto win but mike alessi got one in 07

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warrior462 wrote: 4:17pm June 2, 2012

HAHAHAHAHAHA, nice try James, that guy was well off the track by the time you got there and you were long past him when you ate it. Just Stewart being Stewart and then making excuses and whining about it later.

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RCRDDW wrote: 4:18pm June 2, 2012

@ Aaron Hansel: James was about to check out?? Are you kidding me?? Dungey was 2.5 seconds behind and passing for second at the very time the fastest lawn dart on the planet was crashing. Has he been checking out on Dungey Gretel, I mean Hansel? Have you watched the last 2 races? I will never understand why these grown men get man crushes on little Stewie. LOL!!!

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CrossRut wrote: 4:22pm June 2, 2012

Whoops
that was a nice cross rut crash there

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yamaha645 wrote: 4:24pm June 2, 2012

here come 2 page full of threads of haters, what does james have to do, if dungey was going to beat him he would of done within the last 4 races, why is it a JS mistake is going to make dungey know faster than stewart, we know who the fastest is, its just will the fastest win the title, whats some moron doing walking across the damn track in the middle of a moto, somebody pay to give dungey a shot at winning. What james got to do to get a break, know hes got listen to a bunch crap on from people that like to see bad things happen to him for some sick ass reason, keep it real james.

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RCRDDW wrote: 4:28pm June 2, 2012

I sincerely hope that James isn't hurt but I also sincerely hope he quits for good. He needs to go the way of Jason Lawrence. He is an immature, spoiled brat and is not good for our sport in the long run. He ALWAYS has a bad attitude and an excuse when he loses/crashes. He gets media attention for all the wrong reasons while we could be building our sport's popularity through good PR with the likes of RV, RD, TC, ET ect...

I can't wait for CR22, RV2 and TC to get back out there with RD5 to race hard and represent Motox the way it supposed to be.

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mit12 wrote: 4:28pm June 2, 2012

4 moto wins 1 lawn dart. Have we ever rears that before? Like I said before, green lawn dart, blue lawn dart now a yellow lawn dart. JS7 always has an excuse, the Yamaha made me crash, the person crossing the track made me crash. Bottom line JS7 crashes. End of story.

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porcupinetree wrote: 4:30pm June 2, 2012

if j7s is out we are going to see some boring racing

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CrossRut wrote: 4:34pm June 2, 2012

Looked to me like he was well clear of the track worker when he crashed. I didn't even see the need for him to change his line as the track worker was off the track when Bubba got to where the person crossed at. I hate to see James out, but it looks like MA800 may be able to lock up a solid second place in the standings unless Short, Izzy, or the handfull of other riders pick it up a bit.

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porcupinetree wrote: 4:34pm June 2, 2012

i cant figure why peaple bash js7 he seems cool to me. you haters are a bunch of rednecks or what he s allways good to kids my son met him he was really nice

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RCRDDW wrote: 4:36pm June 2, 2012

yamaha645: Let me splain to you. JS7 rides over his head way more than any other rider (RV is a fairly close second) and while that allows him to look awesome at times, lay down extremely fast laps and get all everybody acting like he is God's gift to Motox, it is also the reason he crashes more than ANY of the top riders. RD5 is criticized constantly for his strategy but his success, championships and lack of crashes that sit you out for long periods of time speak volumes to what a great champion he is.

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warrior462 wrote: 4:37pm June 2, 2012

yamaha645, What's Stewart gotta do? Go back in time and not do all the wrong things and be a complete and total loser for the past three years or so. Since that's impossible, he could either leave the sport (PLEASE!!!), or try to do the right things from here on out and deal with the hate from his past until it's gone, if ever.

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Epic wrote: 4:39pm June 2, 2012

Hope they get the GoPro images to figure this out!!!

A MX rider falling, that's strange!!!

Dungey doesn't fall, RV doesn't fall, Reed doesn't fall ... only Stewart!!!!

Hope he's not hurt for us all to keep having some hard fought racing this year!!!!

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Ripdown wrote: 4:39pm June 2, 2012

no doubt the dude on the track startled him but he was off the track when he went by and JS went another 150 ft before he slid out......looks like he lost focus when he needed it most ......too bad really. Hope he can still go or the lites will be the only entertainment!

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porcupinetree wrote: 4:40pm June 2, 2012

why would you want j7s out of the sport my question is why arn,t you out there loser

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fred wrote: 4:41pm June 2, 2012

Crap with this delay we probably won't get to see the second moto on nbc.

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Red54m wrote: 4:42pm June 2, 2012

Everybody has a good point here!

Stewart wasn't checking out.

Dungey was in 2nd 2.5 back when the crash happened.

The track worker did not cause James to crash, loss of concentration caused James to crash. That is exactly what James should have said and the true haters may not have gone for the Jugular. " I saw a person on the track, I momentarily lost concentration and after I had passed him I cross rutted and crashed " If he says that, perhaps nobody pops off and gives him credit for an honest take.

To date, Dungey had not proven he can pass and beat James Stewart outdoors.

All of these things are true. It was also way too early to be saying that Stewart was unbeatable and Dungey had no chance.

Everybody just relax and enjoy more good racing to come, the rest of this series and particularly the 250 class!

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KoLauGHLiN971 wrote: 4:43pm June 2, 2012

@RCRDDW ... Are you serious? Dungey has not won a championship against ANY of the top riders, 2010 was littered with injuries rendering RV, Reed, and Stewart all unable to complete in the entire series. You're calling Dungey a true champion yet Stewart has won MULTIPLE championships with top riders amidst the field of competition. Dungey is just the dude to clean up after everyone else is gone.

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RCRDDW wrote: 4:45pm June 2, 2012

porcupinetree: I'm not a redneck (in the racist sense at least) and I don't hate Stewart. But I do hate what he brings to the sport. He has the mentality of a lot of today's NBA stars and I don't want Motox to be represented that way. They're all nice when they're doing publicity and he may be the nicest person on earth for all I know but take note that you never saw "Ricky's World" when RC was dominating for 10 years. I'm old school but loving the sport more than ever. I just can't stand guys who are great while they're winning and then act like whiny babies after they lose.

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warrior462 wrote: 4:47pm June 2, 2012

porcupinetree, I could write a book about why I want James gone, you clearly haven't been following the sport. I'm not out there because I can't hang, I'm just a fan and local novice rider, and a slow one at that. I never had the time or money to get good at MX because I was busy getting an education.

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Not4show wrote: 4:48pm June 2, 2012

Well like alot of us thought, stewart is undoubtly fast, but he would throw it all away with no one else around him.

For those who don't really love MX and just ride Stewarts short hairs, you have to finish the race to win the race, and you can talk all the smack about Dungey, but he rarely crashes when racing and finishes the race as long as the bike doesn't quit. That is how he championships are won

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Retardcross wrote: 4:48pm June 2, 2012

What a crappy crash to taint the results. To be honest though, that track worker was well clear when he got there, just watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLGM1-ZRG3Y

Was the track worker there for a reason before the camera was on him? Like picking something up off the track or anything?

Obviously if his hand is truly in bad shape I understand him pulling off, but if not this would have been the perfect situation for him to gut it out and keep racing and prove he wants this thing as much as everyone else and show everyone who dislikes him what he's all about. Hopefully he's not actually hurt too bad.

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KoLauGHLiN971 wrote: 4:49pm June 2, 2012

Also, the people wishing Stewart would stop racing are not true fans of motocross... Regardless of him being a jackass, he is one of the fastest riders out there and he makes for good competition and good entertainment. Nobody wants to watch Dungey cruise to a championship since no one else is really on his level. And to the retard saying RV, RD, and Reed don't crash? Seriously how dumb are you? Villopoto is currently injured and he missed a couple seasons prior to this one also because of crashes and injuries. Reed is also out due to injuries. Please refrain from commenting until you have a legitimate argument.

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yamaha645 wrote: 4:50pm June 2, 2012

RC BJ DS whatever your hoping that some guys that have hit the ground just as much as stewart is the future of motocross im sorry ill be surprised if reed comes back at all hes going to be thinking of that pain for a long time and canard has crashed so many times im surprised hes still racing. and ill agree 100% with lolaugh dungey cant pass a lapper, how was he going to pass stewart,

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KoLauGHLiN971 wrote: 4:52pm June 2, 2012

I do agree with "Retardcross" ... If Stewart's head is where everyone was thinking, he would have hustled to get back on the bike and salvage as many points as he could. Yet he just pulls off the track, although I support JS7 I cannot defend him when it comes to being a sore loser.

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LastBikeRM250 wrote: 4:53pm June 2, 2012

The GoPro shows the track crosser was right in JS7's line when he crested the jump and first caught sight of him. Sure, the freeze-frame and slow-mo make it look like he easily cleared him. But, at speed, leaving a large jump, with an object directly in your path, it had to have been startling. It certainly didn't directly cause the crash, but obviously played a role. I hope the injury isn't serious.

I don't have a bias against any of the riders. I like watching them all race. Each one is different, but an amazing athlete all the same. I am dumbfounded by those here that are of the opinion that Stewart is bad for the sport.

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ToFast2stop wrote: 4:56pm June 2, 2012

some people are silly, sayin the guy is way off the track . regardless if he off or on , it takes 100% concentration to compete at the highest level. if some1 randomly walkin across the track would throw any rider off of their concentration if they moving at high speeds . u dont see people walkin across the track in nascar or formula 1. the ama should fine that guy who did that. ive seen a rider in moto gp crash because of a bird flying across the track .

and lol at the guy who said rd , cr, and rv dont hit the ground, wonder why cr and rv arent even competing and why rd missed a few races during supercross

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RCRDDW wrote: 4:57pm June 2, 2012

KoLauGHLiN971: Yes I am serious. Go back and see how many championships JS7 won with the best riders competing. None outdoors and maybe one indoors-Rc's last full year. But even then, RC was the only one to match his speed that year. In Dungey's 450 SX championship, he beat RV (arguably the best in the sport) 4 times straight up and he was a ROOKIE-eventually winning a couple more races after RV went out with 5 to go. He was leading RV by either 13 or 15 points when RV left with an injury(due to his overriding the bike imo). The following year was screwed from the get go with his entire team changing. Last year his entire team and bike changed. He is 22 dude. He is a great champion imo and has a lot of class. RC, RV and CR are also great champions in my book. James has earned every championship he's won but his influence is greatly exaggerated. How many championships has he won since going to the 450's? You'd think 10 or 15 if you didn't check.

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CrossRut wrote: 5:02pm June 2, 2012

Looking at the photos of the crash in the link RCRDDW posted it looks like Bubbas hand was in the area of the back wheel when it was doing a burnout on his helmet. If his hand got anywhere near the spokes or chain and sproket, Bubbas hand could be in very bad shape.

I hope it didn't get into the back wheel and he can continue to compete this year.

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Speedster wrote: 5:04pm June 2, 2012

I'm not a huge Stewart fan either, mostly for his on screen/off track jackassery, but I wouldn't wish him hurt just because I don't care for him. I wouldn't want him gone from the sport or from the series either. I do think he's fast, I do think he's a crasher, and my money is usually on him to plant himself by about the 4th lap.

I don't think that all the smack talk about him being a "loser" (not in a competition sense) is too cool though.

In watching the youtube footage, I can see where the crossing track worker would break concentration, the guy is on the track while Bubbles is still in the air, but he definitely made it past him quite a ways before he went down. Considering all the input and stimulus we process in each second (at any speed) of riding, I don't think it is a legitimate excuse for taking a dirt nap.

That's all I gots to say about that.

Speedster

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Retardcross wrote: 5:05pm June 2, 2012

What are the rules regarding track workers anyways? I'd assume they are allowed on the track to clear any kind of hazard or debris, haybales, etc. That guy appeared to be just strolling across when the camera was on him anyways.

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ditch wrote: 5:05pm June 2, 2012

JS7...fastest excuse on the planet.

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AtxMX wrote: 5:05pm June 2, 2012

It's really disappointing to read all of the negative comments. Regardless of whether I am a fan or not, I respect every rider out there. I find it humorous that someone who's posts are obviously ignorant, claims he isn't fast because he spent all his time getting an education.

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Blink wrote: 5:06pm June 2, 2012

Everybody relax until JS actually says something. All that is being reported is just hearsay.

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mit12 wrote: 5:07pm June 2, 2012

That Suzuki sucks, Stewart should leave and ride a Honda. May be he can lawn do a red lawn dart. Face it JS7 is the human lawn dart. The fastest mon on to the planet.

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Mazza159 wrote: 5:08pm June 2, 2012

James stewart can fustrate people when he crashes because we want to see great racing and in order for that we need the greatest riders and James is one of them undebatable. So dont hate just hope hes back on the bike soon to watch great racing. who ever says he should quit isint a fan of this sport.

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Not4show wrote: 5:08pm June 2, 2012

@KoLauGHLiN971

who was the top guys when stewart had his perfect seasons? Nobody!!

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Epic wrote: 5:17pm June 2, 2012

@KoLauGHLiN971 - Man, I was being sarcastic about those 3 not crashing!!!
You don't think you're the only one who follows AMA MX on a daily basis, do you???

I love to see Stewart ride, it makes racing a lot more interesting because of his ability to do something different than everyone else, but I'm not blind though I follow the sport not the rider!!!!

I also don't remember calling no one "retard", so stop the insults!!!



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KoLauGHLiN971 wrote: 5:33pm June 2, 2012

Cause you people are so predictable... no one says shit until Stewart has one crash and pulls off the tracks... it's ridiculous. As for Stewart not beating any top riders in his championships... that's funny because there wasn't as much competition up front, plus... Stewart clearly edges Dungey, maybe not by much but he has proven to date that he is faster. So, if they both didn't beat top riders, yet Stewart beats Dungey, and holds more championships... I put my money on Stewart. Also, Stewart OBLITERATED competition as a Rookie as well so you really can't claim Dungey is the only one who rode well as a Rookie. Stewart is one, if not the only rider to match Carmichael's speed out there, face it people only hate him because of his attitude and tendency to crash and provide bullshit excuses/injuries.

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call-it wrote: 5:49pm June 2, 2012

What a bunch of idiots, finally coming out of your own buttholes to spew your crap now that JS had a bad race....i'll bet you losers are the types that go around killing the neighborhood cats. You lead the charge RCRDDW..you are a douche...."Idont hate james stewart"....bull sh i t dude...look at you posting away now. That guy has more class than your hatin a s s ever will...i hope some bad luck comes your way in your life real soon a s s hole!! Why in the hell do you think James said he was affected by someone on the track?? Huh?? He obviously didn't make that up, some of you jerks have no idea the concentration it takes to go that fast out there, you have no idea and no right to say it had no effect on him.....you vultures are totally pathetic!!

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call-it wrote: 5:50pm June 2, 2012

@Handlebardragger.....i want to meet you and kick your a s s dude.....lets make it happen....you need to be quieted!! I'll do it!! You say when!!

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sprocket31 wrote: 5:54pm June 2, 2012

As much as i dislike stewart I cant believe you people talking about how bad of a rider he is. Every rider crashes when their pushing to go faster. You never know whats gonna happen on a Mx track lines change, lappers get in the way ect. He's proved he can beat anyone on any given sunday. Mcgrath didnt ride outdoors for a number of years and no one talked about how he was a baby. Guys get burnt out on racing. I think its got alot to do with the top kids getting paid so much money before they are even legal to vote. If js7 stays healthy its his title to lose.

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whatever wrote: 5:57pm June 2, 2012

Just watched it retardcross, don't embarrass yourself by saying the guy was "clear".....if you are going that fast on a track and you see somebody in the middle of the track WHEN THERE SHOULD BE NOBODY THERE, it is going to throw your concentration off......you make it sound as if the fact that he didn't hit the guy means it had no influence.....i know you are smarter than that. You obviously ride and you know damn well if you saw what that video shows it would affect you....please don't be that negatively biased about this!!!

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Green-59 wrote: 5:58pm June 2, 2012

NBC PLEASE dont ruin the moto 2 coverage like last time. PLEAAAAAAAAASE

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motoxracr170 wrote: 5:59pm June 2, 2012

What a bunch of idiots here! Everyone of these riders is 500% more athlete than anyone in here sitting at their stupid computer making assumptions about things. Shut the F%CK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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yamaha645 wrote: 5:59pm June 2, 2012

RCRDDW, Not going to bash, but i dont see stewart being disrespectful of the sport, im glad you posted im not racist nor a redneck, i think thats is a issue with a lot of people, ive been racing since 1979, my two older brothers started in 75, i personnally think people see stewart a threat, say what you what you want the dude has won everything there is to win, he has nothing to prove, he has busted his ass to get were hes at, some of us know how much work it takes to to win, he didnt come from money he earned it, the stradegy you talk about is the stradegy that tells me as a racer im going to sit back here in second at wait for an oppurtunity, example, dungey took three laps to get by riders stewart passed in on turn, its his i want to win, and pit an explanation point on thats earned my respect, your going to sit there and say stewart shouldnt race, who else has a chance at this time to beat Dungey Villo, Reed hes always been 3rd to ricky and james. Do you think for one minute the a Hannah or a Johnson after finish second in an interview that we did good the team did good im pleased with being the second loser, we just need to work harder, if any one know anything about MX it was im going to knock his ass down next time, if stewarts out i dont want to watch, whats there to watch some boing ass riding and falling asleep everytime dungey pretends it doesnt bother him to get second because hes afraid it will hurt his image.

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sprocket31 wrote: 6:03pm June 2, 2012

And its gonna be awhile before RD5 comes close to JS7 wins and lets all remember JS7 beat the goat. rd5 couldnt be rc if he had a lap head start

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mntbikerodi wrote: 6:04pm June 2, 2012

One thing for sure, he's getting payed and living the dream. You haters will

have too wait till, next punching bag comes along, or just deal with the fact

that JS7 is not as good as you guy's, because we all know how easy it is talk

the talk.

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mntbikerodi wrote: 6:06pm June 2, 2012

oops! the next punching bag comes along......my badd.

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LBiggie wrote: 6:06pm June 2, 2012

Repeat after me: "I have no idea what its like to ride a dirt bike fast just by watching it on tv"

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KELSTER wrote: 6:09pm June 2, 2012

I watched the race live on Allisports and I saw Stewart try to keep going but he looked like he was favouring his right shoulder. It was reported that it was his hand though. Tough to tell but he was in obvious pain and he won't be riding the second race.

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redrider24 wrote: 6:19pm June 2, 2012

Some guy on the side of the track shouldn't ruin the concentration of a PROFESSIONAL rider. Should we expect a crash every time he passes a downed rider? (well maybe) HEE HEE

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Retardcross wrote: 6:20pm June 2, 2012

@ whatever, he went quite a ways past the flagger before he crashed by the looks of the video. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a distraction but it's not uncommon for riders to see a track worker or obstruction on the track if they're clearing debris or an injured rider's bike off the track or something like that. Those guys deal with just about every situation possible on track and have a lot closer calls with each other and other obstacles like bales lining the edge of the track pretty much all the time, then again bales don't move and are predictable.

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Pooptooth wrote: 6:21pm June 2, 2012

Here we go again, Dungey wins the title with the fast guys out hurt.

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dim377 wrote: 6:21pm June 2, 2012

it is ridiculus for some people to say that dungey wins championships because everyone is getting hurt..thats nuts!!yes 2010 he was alone in the mx series..but last year he battled hard with reed and vilopoto..he pushed hard vilopoto until the end and if he didnt have the mechanichal issue in southwich or the bad luck with the lack of fuel in freestone he might had taken the title..best riders are not fast only in practice.it doesnt mean anything to be the fastest guy in practice or to have the fastest lap times..champs are fast in all of the 24motos,they are consistent,concertrated,they take good starts..they are well in all conditions,mud,sand.hard,stormy weather.....

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Heywood_Jablowme wrote: 6:24pm June 2, 2012

If he is such a bad rider, and he is bad for the sport than all of you retarded donkeys who believe all that need to stop talking about him. Some of you on here should be let out of your booster seats and actually go outside and ride a motorcycle. Grow a set of nuts and try to do half of what these guys do instead of trying to be a message board hero.

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motoxdog1977 wrote: 6:36pm June 2, 2012

GoPro Evidence Folks! Some DUMB arse SPECTATOR crossing the track...RIGHT IN THE LANDING ZONE OF A GIANT DOUBLE and RIGHT IN FRONT OF BUBBA! HOLY CRAP! Dumb arse spectator needs to be beaten to death!

In-freaking-credible...

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Saddleback wrote: 6:42pm June 2, 2012

Being a motox racer myself, my view is that the track crosser broke #7 concentration for a second, causing him to crash, very sad indeed.

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KELSTER wrote: 6:45pm June 2, 2012

The spectator definitely affected Stewart's concentration going into those giant ruts at a speed very few of us could even comprehend so i think all those of you who are bashing Stewart should think about that for a minute before unleashing your hate!

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tonewall wrote: 6:49pm June 2, 2012

Funny how all the pus*ys who haven't been on here in weeks (rcrddw) are now on here to gloat about an injured rider...and of course the dumbest idiot on here always handlebore/scrubjs7nuts/jair has to try to get a racial blast in(the same sh*t over and over)..you sir are a dumbf&*k and a racist pig. Not really interested in seeing one guy run around by himself or listening to complete as*holes gloat about a riders misfortune. Hopefully Havoc isn't out for the season...some of us like the racing and are not just on here as a way to show our racism or hate.@call it....i so hear you........also ,Why do you idiots continue to bag on guys who win when others are out....its part of the show and its not the winners fault if NOBODY shows up..he did. Just shows you've never actually raced or you would no better than to think who WASN"T there matters...I hope ALL the injured riders get back ASAP ...

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tonewall wrote: 6:59pm June 2, 2012

therealpugue(puke) your just another ignorant f-ing racist pig. How about a moto take and not just your childish racist garbage.I thought i'd never say this but Racer X needs to deal with this one...c'mon.!!!

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buckeyeracer104 wrote: 7:08pm June 2, 2012

@yamaha I don't think Dungey is happy to be in second but I do wish he would show some more emotion. But bringing up Hurricane and RJ I also don't see either of those guys blaming someone crossing the track for the reason they would have crashed out. I am not a Stewart hater I respect the heck out of his speed but the dude came in to the sport with a big head and it got bigger when he was in the 125 class. He never won an outdoor championship against the G.O.A.T. And when RC was retiring and road like 6 races in the outdoors he spanked him on his way out. His t.v show didn't help his image either. I think a lot of people seen a few mistakes out of him last week and then as soon as Dungey moved into second and he saw it he felt the pressure. I know he wasn't up there yet but you have to admit Dungey has matched his speed and that alone is in Stewart's head so he pushes and this is what happens. I hope he gets better I loved the race last week it was a lot of fun to watch, but I think people are just tired of the excuses. First it was his Yamaha and now its someone crossing the track. There is a definite pattern. Dungey switched teams and although he has the supercross season under his belt, outdoors are a completely different animal and he hasn't been making excuses as to why he is not winning and he never does. He more than likely would have won the outdoors last year against RV and CR had he not boiled over gas in Texas and for whatever reason the bike wouldn't start at Southwick. There seem to be as many Dungey haters in here as there are Stewart haters. I hope they both are at full speed all season because the racing is fun to watch. It's also too bad RV and CR are out because this could have been and Epic season with them out there as well.

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amoreno199 wrote: 7:11pm June 2, 2012

you guys are more ignorant than I thought , yes I'm talking to the ones who make statements such as "dungey will beat stewart"

Look at Dungey's facial expression when he interviews, he doesn't even seem confident when asked about how his defeats against stewart. He always looks bumbed, and dissappointed, and really quite frankly does not know if he could beat him.

And for those who are saying "that was BS excuse for crashing", stfu. He's a pro, and your a spectactor who comments on MX blogs. yes he was in the air, but part of mx is setting your lines and with a track that gets beat up with rutts, that becomes a crucial part of staying on the bike, and with his speed, the crash can get very bad, like it did in this case.

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bigtireguy wrote: 7:16pm June 2, 2012

Anyone who races knows you are looking 100-300 feet in front. The guy distracted James. But he did ride 200+ feet before going down. Hopefully he will be back next week. SHORTY!!!!!! I've been pulling for him, and he gets a podium!! good for him.

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Welker wrote: 7:24pm June 2, 2012

OK all I got interupted when the race was on. From what I understnd Stewat cross rutted to avoid a spectator's stupidity? Now I have had that problem a long time ago maybe before most of you were born? Shit happens, We will know for sure later in the week. I am tiered of stupid. ya typing with one hand again, someone pulled out with out looking and I tried to get out of the way?
Anyhoooooo it just made it more interesting. Need to put a sign on the front door that says "Motocross is in action" ?
Now I gotta check everything els out. Or I will wait for Mr MX to figure it all out????

LETS RACE!!!!!!!!!!

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ridenbutter wrote: 7:49pm June 2, 2012

anyone would be distracted if you were leading a pro national going into a 150 yard rut thats a foot deep in 4th gear. and a darnel was standing in the middle of the track...Now do it at the speed JS was, which was clearly fast as he had just gone from 9th to 1st in 2 laps...
Just a crappy thing to have happen in what may have been a great season...he did try to get back up , but obviously he was hurt after torpedoing shoudler first into the dirt ... get off his back, JS hasn't been riding "out of control". he has been smooth as silk and a amazing to watch.

Congrats to RD and KTM but RD he even said he wanted to race james heads up and RD would eventually beat JS as they are both in another class...

we can only hope JS is not that bad...otherwise ATV moto will be more exciting this year

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penguin_bob wrote: 7:49pm June 2, 2012

I'm not James Stewart and I don't race on a track going that fast and that rough, however, I don't see how that could of ''distracted'' him. The track worker (I don't think it was a spectator..) was at least 10 feet out of James' line well before James got there. Obviously it was in slow-mo but I don't see how that effected him.. Anyway, bummer for James, hopefully he is okay for next week and can try to get the 36 points back.

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dd4130 wrote: 7:57pm June 2, 2012

As soon as the moto's ended I wanted to see if whatever was on here with his CAPITAL LETTERS again. As predictable as a Bubba flip, love it. Hope JS7 bounces back next week or this 450 season could be over.

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Erik220 wrote: 7:58pm June 2, 2012

lmao, here we go again with absent minded fans threatening to fight someone over an internet comment about somebody who they don't even know. I'm pretty sure the riders couldnt give a flying f about any of you. grow up

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kram wrote: 8:08pm June 2, 2012

That dude crossing in front of Bubbles had nothing to do with him taking a soil sample,that helmet cam speaks volumes,anyone who's been to a Nat knows that from time to time track personal cross it during a moto at a point of clear view with no oncoming traffic.

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B-KR wrote: 8:09pm June 2, 2012

Well the James' fans wanted to know where all the "haters" were. Sometimes be careful what you ask for. Anyway, that was a crummy deal now it looks like James is hurt. I agree that the guy on the track certainly is distracting but as others stated, he was by at the point he crashed. Maybe slowing down a tad would be helpful as well? I actually said to myself he was going down when I saw all those ruts a lap in, next thing we see is the red cross flags. Green plastic, blue plastic, yellow plastic.....it all breaks the same when crashed. As for checking out, this was the 3rd timed lap he crashed on and Dungey made up half a second the previous lap. Sucks as we were having a great year.

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whatever wrote: 8:10pm June 2, 2012

Wow, is that really what you think about "dd4130"?? Me?? You should work on that!! What a bummer, i mean i didn't expect him to continue going 1-1 at all and i said that a couple days ago, what sucks is that going down (whether because of an idiot on the track or not) resulted in him missing the whole damn day!! 4-0 coming in, starting around 10th and looking flawless as he made his way around everybody including Dungey again to get to first and then this!! Truly sucks!! We don't know yet, but i don't have a good feeling about the hand the way it looked when he got back to the pits!! We'll never know what RD might have done had JS stayed up, but what the hell is his deal with letting James pass him in the beginning of nearly every moto, oops i mean EVERY MOTO (that was for you dd4130)......if you wish the guy harm, you suck plain and simple.....hope he is able to come back or else you will not see another good moto like the previous 3 had been for the rest of the year. I'm sure Dungey and DeCoster are sportin' some wood right about now!! Bad day MX fans!!

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whatever wrote: 8:12pm June 2, 2012

....and B-KR shows up for the first time in weeks.....you now have a "reason for being" again don't you part-timer?? Sorry, but it's pretty lame that you stayed quiet until today man....whatever!!

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uneasy_rider wrote: 8:14pm June 2, 2012

Why is it that when Stewart finally get's it together for a few races there are a 1000 new people on here on the boards talking about, "Where are all of the so and so fans" like they are a main stay on these boards? Fair weather fans?

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Graz11 wrote: 8:16pm June 2, 2012

How many excuses is Stewart going to come up with? Hope he didn,t break his hand the racing between him and Dungey was starting to get good.If he is out for a couple of races,then the racing is in the 250 class.

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B-KR wrote: 8:20pm June 2, 2012

Oh, and I don't think that was a spectator or a track worker, I bet it was a photographer or media guy. He was wearing a backpack. Maybe it was J-Bone from JGR? (kidding) Wonder if it will come out who it was as someone in the know saw who it was after the fact. Nice to see the cameras getting all of the action though. I waited for a replay......still waiting.

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uneasy_rider wrote: 8:39pm June 2, 2012

Don't know why this is even news. How many times has he crashed when he was having trouble carching someone? He thought it was another rider in front that he couldn't catch sooooooo crash it!!! Just kidding Stewie fans, but this really isn't news worthy. did it break his concentration? No different than another rider on the track in front of him. how many times have you seen theses guys (including Stewart) turn on a dime in a corner to avoid/pass another competitor? EXACTLY!!!

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dd4130 wrote: 8:40pm June 2, 2012

As I said I hope JS OK for the next round. I just love that your whole world revolves around justifying real reason for JS winning, crashing or WHATEVER! I love fishing.

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offroadnomore wrote: 8:41pm June 2, 2012

That guy did not cause JS to crash..that's cleary evident on the footage...he didn't throw a pole in JS wheel, or yank him off the bike, or leave behind a brick in his line etc. JS REACTION to the guy might be the cause....and if it was, the question is why? Would, RD, CR, RV or similar crashed because they reacted to a guy crossing in front of them? That's what JS needs to think about. These guys are able to process so much so fast, that is part of what makes them so good. I'm not saying the guy is not at fault..he should not have been crossing the track like that. But, should someone with JS skills be able to... or be expected to handle that kind of situation?

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JimboMX374 wrote: 9:05pm June 2, 2012

Looked to me like JS7 took his eye off the ball and cross rutted. I thought for sure it was CBone or shoulder.Hope he is ok.

James is down 36 , exactly where he doesnt need to be.

JImM
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groundy056 wrote: 9:22pm June 2, 2012

Damn bad news for the series. But they showed the crash from another angle (during moto 2 ). James is concerned about his hand right away. Dare say its broken.

Not a JS7 fan, but I was already yawning come moto2. (though pumped for tickle).

250's are the one to watch this year.

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Laker23 wrote: 9:23pm June 2, 2012

Regardless of your opinion of either rider the 450 class took a hit that it (and MXSports) will be unable to recover from. Not a fan of either guy, but respect the heck out of both. Was looking forward to seeing them both battle at Budds and Unadilla. Now I have zero interest in spending time and $ watching 5 in person out run everybody. Plain boring. Shame.

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joshuamccollum802 wrote: 10:44pm June 2, 2012

This season in BULL CRAP!!!! Would be nice to see the races on tv when they are suppose to. I go to work and want to come home and watch the race and my dvr missed it cause of the delay. THis crap is turning into a flaking joke!

And how in the heck is it possible for some idiot to be allowed to touch his feet on the track? Im so mad right now.

the 2012 mx series is a freaking joke! Trying to make it so main stream, you idiots are ruining it!

And who in the heck's idea was it to bounce around the broadcast from network to network? Some dumb idiot thats for sure! Yeah right Davey, Great tv package you guys put together!

BULL CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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jmann54 wrote: 11:05pm June 2, 2012

JS7's sure fast on Dungey's old ride. He should thank RD for building that bike for him. When RD gets his KTM dialed in be expecting more JS7 excuses to be tossed out there.

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jamesecox wrote: 11:09pm June 2, 2012

All the crap aside that section of track was insane! Without distractions.

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chainlube wrote: 11:53pm June 2, 2012

You Stewart haters are morons. The simple fact of the matter is that ALL of the pro MX'ers crash...ALL of them. Reed, Windham, Villopoto, Dungey Barcia, Wilson, Tomac, Canard, RC, Rick Johnson, David Bailey, Johnny O'mara, Chuck Sun, Malcom Smith, Roczen, Townley, etc, etc, etc...f**king ALL of them crash. Yes, Stewart rides by the seat of his pants sometimes. But you clowns have the audacity to arm-chair quarterback and say he doesn't ride 'smart.' It takes balls and calculated risks to go that fast, and sometimes those gnarly track obstacles sneak up and bite you. Oh, and for those who say the guy walking across the track was not a distraction, explain why Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson and all of the other PGA golfers have to have it completely silent before they swing away! It takes EXTREME concentration to perform at that level of any sport...something you Attention Deficit Disorder clowns don't have. You morons would whizzle in your pants if you had to clear jumps, whoops, table-tops, and berms at that speed. STFU. You have no clue what you are talking about and you make yourselves look like fools when you play MX analyzer on here. The guy just came off a gnarly crash, and suffered either a hand, arm, or shoulder injury (or all 3) and all you doofwads can do is label his explanation of the crash as an excuse? What a bunch of moronic wussies! STFU you cerebral freaks! It regards to his TV show, who cares? So it was a little stupid. So f**king what! Oh, and I'm so tired of hearing how James disappoints you because he brings a certain 'image' to the sport of MX. Are you infants referring to his arrest? In regards to his criminal arrest a while back, who cares? I'm sure all of you readers on here were perfect little saints at that age...right? F**king hypocrites. I'm sure James learned a life lesson from that incident and won't do anything like that ever again. Get over it and move on already. Lastly, in recent weeks, James has shown a new level of maturity and it appears that he has turned a page. Give the guy some credit..he just won 4 AMA nationals in a row. The sport of MX would NOT be better off with JS7 out of the picture!

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Osteo wrote: 11:57pm June 2, 2012

An objective opinion could be that the crash was the result of a lapse in racer concentration stemming from the racer's over-reaction to the "track crosser."



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mit12 wrote: 12:25am June 3, 2012

JS7 always has an excuse. It is funny that JS7 can make passes using any line he wants. The guy is a great rider. But when he crashes and he does it often he always has something to blame it on. 4 moto wins 1 lawn dart and -48 points. Ouch.

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250sxPilot wrote: 12:41am June 3, 2012

Wow so many of the above posters are idiots. Yes james should have tried to soldier on. But to say that, when you are mid air and see someone crossing the track, whether he was close to hitting him or not (he wasn't), that is still enough to throw off your concentration, and on a very rutted track, even though he had already probably mentally thought to himself "okay, didn't hit him", it was still definitely enough to throw off concentration. Any of you pos(t)ers that say it's a BS excuse ride anywhere near as fast as james? As soon as he was airborne, I guarantee he saw the dude, though, oh sh*t, and even though he probably quickly realized he wouldn't be hitting him ,it took his mind off of the task at hand. I'm not a JS fan, I'm a motocross fan, and a motocross racer. I'm not one for kissing his ass but some of these above comments are just absolutely retarded.

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Chilllmatic wrote: 1:37am June 3, 2012

I have not seen 95% of these names post here in the last couple weeks. Seems like you all had your fingers ready to pounce on your keys once James slipped up. Stewart has proved for 4 motos that he can pass, and deal with Dungey on his back wheel for a full 30+2.

I really hope he is ok. I know he was not expecting a championship this season but it would be cool to see him come back and win one after all this.

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Red54m wrote: 4:04am June 3, 2012

@ joshuamcollum802 , dude set your DVR to record the programs after the live coverage is scheduled also JUST IN CASE THIS HAPPENS TO YOU FOR A 3RD TIME and you have not figured it out yet.

@ Bigtireguy.... Way to go Shorty!! a nice 2nd in moto 2. It looked like both Weimer and Tickle were coming after him but he dug deep found another gear and gruised to a 2nd and an overall podium. Good to see a good guy do good.

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bigtireguy wrote: 10:52am June 3, 2012

@Red54m, I was really happy to see Shorty live up to my pre-season hype I was giving him!! LOL, Hopefully Bubbles will be OK to continue making this summer series fun. He is dealing with bad luck regarding his hands/wrists. twice in one season? That sucks. I think he can only blame himself, took his eye off the track for what ever reason, cross rutted and ate soil. Alessi surprised me, I thought he would do better......

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kram wrote: 12:54pm June 3, 2012

Did chainlube compare moto to golf?Idiot,1 is very loud and fast and well the other is for dead people,chainlube is for chains NOT what your obviously using it for,LMFAO.

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Claxton wrote: 1:55pm June 3, 2012

Dungey could not pass my dad on his Penton.

Dungey wins another title with no one around to race with.

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uneasy_rider wrote: 1:58pm June 3, 2012

I have not seen 95% of these names post on here period, until Stewart pulled out a couple of good runs, now the Stewie train is in full motion. Don't talk about "where are all the so and so fans" when you only come out when your guy is on fire and then get all defensive when he does poorly. Fact of the matter is, he crashed like all of the top guys have this year, but lose the excuses! That guy was off the track by the time Bubba landed from that jump. He is too good of a rider to say that guy was the cause. He just crashed!

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chainlube wrote: 3:29pm June 3, 2012

@Kram,

You are a moron. I wasn't comparing MX to golf. I was using "extreme concentration" as an analogy to focus on the aspect of athletes becoming distracted. When high caliber athletes are performing at such high levels (especially at those speeds), the slightest noise, movement, or interference can throw their entire game off. I was simply making the example that, although Stewart passed the spectator/worker cleanly, his concentration was likely affected, which obviously resulted in his subsequent crash. You, my friend are a dolt. Now get back to work little kid.....the drive-thru window is backing up.

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uneasy_rider wrote: 5:02pm June 3, 2012

@chainlube, not trying to get in a pissing contest, but there are always (well, usually) 39 other bikes on the track to be quite distracting at all times, so, while I agree the dummy on the track would be a distraction for me, it should not for a rider of JS7 caliber. Those guys don't get to that level in the sport by being easily distracted by anything on the track. I have seen JS7 change course mid-air with great ease quite a bit over the years. If the guy did distract him, it was his fault for loosing focus. He was a couple hundred feet past the guy when he went down. He messed up!

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therealpugue- wrote: 9:56pm June 3, 2012

@bigtireguy I thought it was dont take your eye off the ball.Numb Nuts get your Jargen correct......

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chainlube wrote: 10:16pm June 3, 2012

@uneasy rider,

Well, I beg to differ. You are comparing something that is part of the sport to something that is not part of the sport. Yes, JS7 expects to battle with 39 other screaming dirt bikes on the track. He's been doing it for years and that's what racing is all about. However, that's completely different from a guy walking across the track. Now, if avoiding pedestrians was a regular part of the race/rules, and James lost his concentration because of a 'regularly' scheduled pedestrian occurrence, then I could cast some blame on him. However, two-legged deer crossing the track is not part of the usual "routine." I'm guess he doesn't have a game plan for that scenario and I'm guessing none of the other pros do either. He hasn't been trained to expect to see a blowhard walking across the track in the middle of a professional AMA moto. He HAS been trained, however, to deal with 39 other blazing MX bikes. So, the end result, in my opinion, results in a mental distraction.

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uneasy_rider wrote: 9:41am June 4, 2012

Have you ever seen Stewart avoid a downed rider who is walking on his 2 feet? I have! And he kept going. Come on, he went down 200 feet after that idiot was crossing the track. Get over it, he messed up! A game plan for someone walking across the track? Really? Hasn't been trained to deal with someone walking across the track? WTF? You gotta do better than that. How about a couple 2 legged things on the track? Say....oh, the asterisk medical crew, a flagger, the guy who just launched his bike off of the track. No, I don't think so!

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