Race Report: Phoenix SX
Sunday, January 15, 2012 | 2:55 AM
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A week ago in Anaheim, Ryan Dungey delivered Red Bull KTM their first ever podium in Monster Energy Supercross. For a brand that had never found success at the elite level of U.S. racing, the A1 podium was a start. For round two in Phoenix, all they needed was a start.
And Dungey got one, ripping off a holeshot in the Phoenix main event and jetting off to an uncontested race win. He led all 20 laps, and the outcome was never in doubt. But there was craziness everywhere for a lot of riders, including last week’s Anaheim winner Ryan Villopoto, who crashed in a sand section on the first lap and went to just about last place. Villopoto’s Monster Energy Kawasaki teammate Jake Weimer jumped into second place and set a good pace, pulling away from the rest of the field just slightly en route to his first career SX Class podium.
Except for what you see in this photo, Ryan Dungey has not looked back since switching to KTM.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
GEICO Honda’s Kevin Windham sat third for most of the way. Then came a torrid battle between the likes of TwoTwo Motorsports Bel-Ray Racing’s Chad Reed, Yoshimura Suzuki’s Brett Metcalfe, Honda Muscle Milk’s Trey Canard, Supercross.com Honda’s Andrew Short and others. Then James Stewart joined the fray on his JGR Toyota Yamaha. The crowd cheered as Stewart and Reed passed back and forth a bit, but Stewart seemed set to head forward and at least grab a top-five finish. But then Stewart crashed in the exact same spot Villopoto did, and went way back.
Jake Weimer scored a solid second-place finish.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
By then, Villopoto was on his way forward. He sliced and diced his way past Canard, Reed, Short and Metcalfe, then put in a huge charge down the stretch to catch Windham late and execute a pass to salvage a podium. From last place! By doing so, he leaves Phoenix tied for the points lead with Dungey. Windham took fourth and Reed took fifth. Villopoto and Dungey are now tied for the points lead after each posting first and third-place finishes in the first two rounds. Look for a pair of red number plate backgrounds next weekend!
Short took sixth ahead of Canard, Stewart in eighth, and Metcalfe and Hansen rounded out the top ten.
Ryan Villopoto, seen here passing Tommy Hahn, came from last place to third place after crashing on lap one.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
The SX class podium.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
In the Lites class, Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki’s Dean Wilson erased a bad night at Anaheim with a dominating ride for the win in Phoenix. He took the early lead away from his teammate Tyla Rattray and set sail from there. Rattray then had a battle with Red Bull KTM’s Marvin Musquin, and Musquin made the pass and got into second. Wilson pulled away from there.
Eli Tomac set some blistering laps in his heat race, but got a terrible start in the main and had to come from about 15th. He caught up to a big battle between Travis Baker, Jason Anderson, Martin Davalos and last week’s winner Cole Seely. Baker then went down. Seely and Tomac moved past the Rockstar Suzuki teammates of Anderson and Davalos,and set their sights on fourth place Zach Osborne. Osborne was fast early, even pressing Rattray at times for third, but eventually ran into pressure from Seely and Tomac. Seely made the pass and Tomac followed him through. Tomac pressed Seely and then made a bump and run pass to get fourth. They both went after the podium, but ran out of time, as Rattray hung tough in third, with Musquin in second and Wilson snagging the win. Tomac and Seely rounded out the top five.
KTM already had a great night going when Marvin Musquin finished second in the Lites main.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Tyla Rattray was third, and also took over the Lites West points lead when coupled with his runner-up ride at Anaheim.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Look for interviews, stories and analysis on Racer X Online all week long.
Results:
Monster Energy Supercross Round 2: Phoenix, Arizona
Main Event
1. R. Dungey
2. J. Weimer
3. R. Villopoto
4. K. Windham
5. C. Reed
6. A. Short
7. T. Canard
8. J. Stewart
9. B. Metcalfe
10. J. Hansen
11. I. Tedesco
12. K. Chisholm
13. D. Millsaps
14. J. Brayton
15. C. Blose
16. M. Alessi
17. K. Partridge
18. T. Hahn
19. N. Wey
20. J. Albertson
Supercross Class Season Standings
1. Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., KTM – 45
2. Ryan Villopoto, Poulsbo, Wash., Kawasaki – 45
3. Chad Reed, Dade City, Fla., Honda – 38
4. Jake Weimer, Rupert, Idaho, Kawasaki – 38
5. Kevin Windham, Centreville, Miss., Honda – 31
6. Andrew Short, Smithville, Texas, Honda – 29
7. James Stewart, Haines City, Fla., Yamaha – 28
8. Justin Brayton, Murrieta, Calif., Honda – 25
9. Josh Hansen, Elbert, Colo., Kawasaki – 22
10. Brett Metcalfe, Lake Elsinore, Calif., Suzuki – 22
Main Event
1. D. Wilson
2. M. Musquin
3. T. Rattray
4. E. Tomac
5. C. Seely
6. Z. Osborne
7. J. Anderson
8. N. Izzi
9. M. Anstie
10. T. Baker
11. M. Leib
12. B. Laninovich
13. B. Rutherford
14. V. Friese
15. T. Maier
16. S. Champion
17. G. Swanepoel
18. J. Ramos
19. A. Chatfield
20. M. Davalos
Western Regional Supercross Lites Class Season Standings
1. Tyla Rattray, Wildomar, Calif., Kawasaki – 42
2. Cole Seely, Murrieta, Calif., Honda – 41
3. Dean Wilson, Menifee, Calif., Kawasaki – 40
4. Marvin Musquin, Murrieta, Calif., KTM – 40
5. Eli Tomac, Cortez, Colo., Honda – 38
6. Jason Anderson, Edgewood, N.M., Suzuki – 28
7. Zach Osborne, Chesterfield, S.C., Yamaha – 27
8. Travis Baker, Temecula, Calif., Honda – 22
9. Nico Izzi, Menifee, Calif., Yamaha – 22
10. Max Anstie, Hemet, Calif., Honda – 17
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Zach Osborne deserves a ride in the U.S. Josh Hansen has been a surprise after 2 races also.
Osborne and Masquin pleasent suprises. Didn't Hansen take ot his team mate. I told me wife that JS7 was going to winn tonight. I am thinking this is mentally going to be tuff for him. Good racing never the less. It was a shame that CR22 rode terrible. But good to hear from his podcast that he didn't have a problem with the track. Also really happy to see KW and Canard with good results.
Oh and GOOO DEANNNO! haha
Also sad day to be Aussie watching Moss ruin Sipes season.
I just love seeing the ktm crew showing the haters whats up!!!
Jake Weimer, HOW ABOUT THAT? Congratulations Jake, great job! Such a good day for KTM aswell. But who the heck is that James Stewart there, fighting to get into the top 10? Is that the well tanned guy who had his own reality show on TV or what?
KTM just needed a fast rider to shut all the crap somebody has been talking about it. This bike can only improve, I hope there will be more to come. Anyway Villopoto is still the favorite for the title, he looks super fast but he can make mistakes like anyone else.
Where's now all the ignorants who think that Jake Weimer is not a great sx rider?
I dont hate dungey but he won only bcause poto went down and that esa Davis fault I think villo will be the champion this year ive said it before he looks a lot like rc ultra fast but also smart and about james I dont know what the deal is but its not looking to good for him this year maybe hes getting old fighting for top ten? Js7? Im sure he will come around but when? Rv1 2012 champion mark my words
@KICKLIARSASS
Your a moron... take your political mumbo-jumbo BS elsewhere.
Is the excuse for stewart still the tires? or has he found a new one for this week,(sick?) Great ride for wilson despite being not feeling good. Rv was flat out flying!! Kudos to Ktm also.
stewart should have gone with a different brand of bike. every time he tries to push hard, the yamaha puts him on his head. it may be a great bike for average joe but, james is far from average. the list of pros that have had major crashes and injuries on that bike is a mile long. after watching numerous old videos of james, (2006-2008) he looked so much smoother on the kawi. smooth for him, anyway...lol. jeremy albrect said last night that james can go straight to the top of jgr management if he doesnt like something about the team. get on a kawasaki, use sx season as testing and wax everyone in the outdooors.
racerx article last month said stewart was most comfortable on a suzuki before he signed with jgr,guess he should have gone with comfortable rather than more money.glad to see dungey get the win on the ktm,not sure his speed and villopotos are the same.rv looks strong even when he makes mistakes,i dont think dungey can move through pack like villopoto.i also think reed can run with dungey but not villopoto,so barring mistakes the championship is potos to lose.stewart wont be a factor till he can come to terms with the yamaha,jgr can make all the changes to the bike they want,you cant polish a turd...the yz450 while very revolutionary ie backward cylinder is not a worthy platform.and i used to be a big yamaha fan ,they dumped all their factory support claiming a bad economy...its bad for all of us right?
Great ride by RD5, Weimer and Windham. And RV was an animal! Shame for Reedy, dunno what was up with him, he looked great in his heat race till he got passed by JS7. And surely JGR are hitting the panic button right about now..? Very smart ride by Canard, he will only get stronger! Great racing last night, roll on next week!
Stewart could have demanded anything or any bike he wanted when JGR recruited him. He could have had naked women serve him brown m&m's before every race. He chose yamaha. Quit blaming the bike, apologists. Are you serious. Two finishes outside the top 5 are all the yamaha huh?!
plain and simple, stewarts results have suffered since the advent of the "revolutionary" ride. good or bad, sx would be kinda boring w/o him in the mix
Congrats to Dungey and KTM for the win, however when all the riders view the race tape there is going to be some massive depression when they see how RV tore the place down. JS was riding good until that rider bobbled in the sand directly in front of him.
JS7- It it your family advise you sign for more money?? Its like taking a Mini Cooper to race a Camero. ( Mini Coopper - Yamaha
I wonder if Dungey will insist he should be the only one with the red number plate for the next round. Nah, he's not a drama queen, like you know who.
Nice pic of Dungey over the finish line! Question? To move up out of the (250) class it requires a championship or three (3) years of 100 points per season right? I 'm thinking Tyla Rattray has done neither gotta be his last year. Didnt see Broc Tickle in the main,
The Yamaha didn’t put Stewart on the ground..." Stewart " put "Himself" on the ground.... Its not the bike, as Stewart stated I don’t know how many times, That the minute he rode The JGR Yamaha he said It was already WAY better than his other teams Race bike, and he had a choice to ride ANY brand bike he wanted with JGR, That’s why JGR took so long to sign back with Yamaha because they were waiting for Stewart to make up his mind.....
For the last time..... ITS NOT THE BIKE!!! Sometimes you just think your better than you really are and " One" fast lap in practice doesn’t give you first place in the main. Also you have plenty of competition going the same speed and faster. The fact is, Stewarts days of domination are OVER ! He now has whats called “competition” and its not just one guy he has to worry about anymore, those day are over……………
Why aren’t you guys blaming Chad’s Honda for his crash ? or RVs Kawasaki for his crash ? Its just plain silly to keep blaming the bike for someone’s own faults, I don’t care what bike hes on, he would have the same results.
KTM has begun their quest for world domination. I was riding KTM's in the Canadian circuit in the late 80's and early 90's when everyone thought KTM was a spin off of Kawasaki.....my how times have changed. Yamaha needs to scrap that "revolutionary" bike and start over. JUNK!
I see RC got rid of that redneck GQ jacket he had on last week, but this week I think he was standing on a box in that opening segment. He was taller than both Emig and Sheehan. O
KTM on the box lites and big boy class is great. Good job KTM!
Great racing, RV was by far the fastest out and I dare to say that it's his championship to loss. I know it's only the second but he's the best prepared rider and bike out there.
Is it me but does JS7's bike look like it's set up too stiff? the rear end is always kicking up.
Great racing none the less.
i would be willing to bet that any of these guys would have the same shitty results as james if they were riding that roach of a bike!!!!!! tommy hahn is a perfect example. he chose to go full privateer instead of a taking the chance of another season on the yamaha. james is riding the yamaha for the $!!! he is the true "rockstar" of our sport. sit back and enjoy the show
i would be willing to bet that any of these guys would have the same shitty results as james if they were riding that roach of a bike!!!!!! tommy hahn is a perfect example. he chose to go full privateer instead of a taking the chance of another season on the yamaha. james is riding the yamaha for the $!!! he is the true "rockstar" of our sport. sit back and enjoy the show
jgr having to completely redesign the gas tank and shrouds on the #7 just for james to be comfortable says it all about the P.O.S.
That Yamaha is to hard for Stewart to rde at his level Yamahas are for beginner rdes and Stewart s not a beginner and should have went with the Suzuki to make the podiums
KTM is the fastest bike on the planet.
Did you guys see the rooster tail the KTM throws off compared to the Yamaya
I recently bought my first KTM and i will never go back. build quality and reliability are second to none
I am seling all three of my Suzukis and am going to get an SX450 KTM
Oh and going to add ahole shot button to the KTM before I even take it home. R Dungey is going to dominate the holeshots this year.
Villopoto is an animal. So much faster than last year.
He even got close to Weimer in the end.
As for Stewart, let´s say the yamaha is a pos. Why would he ride that bike when he could get whatever brand he wants? Can only be the money.
I hope he enjoys getting paid a lot for top ten finishes.
@biker143 - That was an outstanding post!
I'm not a Stewart hater, but I AM beginning to dislike the Stewart minions. What will be the next excuse they come up with? First it was tires, now it's the bike. Next week it will be the gravitational influence of Jupiter that throws him off!
I knew Stewart wasn't going to dominate, but I have to say I didn't think he'd be doing THIS badly. Was it my imagination or has Shaheen stopped calling him "The Fastest Man on The Planet"? He must have realized he'd sound like a complete fool if he kept saying that. Maybe they can call him "The Fastest Man in 8th Place".
So RV goes down on the same place JS does and remounts and charges forward. Then JS goes down and goes backwards, bike was flopping all over the place.
So all the JS "lovers" want us to think that he was doing great until that point and that he should get another pass until "wait until next week". He's 17 points back, pretty soon he will be a full race, 25 points, back, then what.
Damn RV charged the entire race
CR was steady but did not look like he wanted to hang it all out like RV.
RD showed what a great start will get you - 1st Place
Starts are everything and becoming a must if you want to get on the box.
Love the action, but three hours and all the dead air time is a bit much.
Need to find something to fill the non-racing time
So the KTM, which has never made a podium, let alone won a sx race, is a better, more proven bike than the yamahas? Yamaha's have won a lot of races. Would stewart have won the race if he was riding the KTM? I guess so.
80% rider 20% bike
He's still the " fastest black man on the planet " !
I could be wrong but was JS7 forks not moving at all in both races this year.
Aldo Andy Short was bashing the KTM and said the Honda was so much better. His results are the same this year as last year.
I didn't really care much for Dungey until he took a chance and went to KTM. It would be great to see KTM win East Coast, West Coast and SX Championships this year. I can hear the chatter now. Some people will even say the bike is a cheater bike.
It is the Bike for Stewart, It dosen't work for Him and he dosen't trust it or believe in it. When RC mentioned that he thought the KTM would shine if the track got rough did anyone else pay attention ? There's a reason why KTM never went alluminum, the frame is not forgiving enough, Unlike the japanese companys KTM thinks Motorcycles First ! If alluminim was better it would have been on KTM's in the 80's or 90's. For the youngsters, KTM put Disc Brakes on the rear first, Digitial Ignition first Developed the First advanced 4 stroke back in the 80's (that they just stopped selling as a dual sport a few years ago) and many other things, FAce it any offroad race IN THE WORLD looks like a Pumpkin Patch They Know what there doing !
Last night Villopotto prove why he will win the championship. The 450 class is stacked and he is the only rider capable of coming from last, up in to a podium finish. In the past there were mabye 3 other guys who could do that. Nobody else could do what he did last night. That is the deepest 450 class in a long time.
Congrats to Dungey and KTM. Didn't think he'd get even one win this year with this class in SX. Now, I hope Dungey doesn't let this make him think that the hard work is over. I';m confident he won't. Looking at the results not many made a move forward much and 1, 2, and 4th place all pretty started where they finished. The people trying to make a case against what RV did last week wanted to see what he would do with a 9th place start, well how about 20th place after turn 3? Reed was 10 seconds ahead of him after lap 1 and finished 14 seconds back with no crash? The track and holeshot were supposed to be why RV did so good last week. I think the rest of RV's competition are going to look at video of this race and wonder WTF?
So much more racing ahead , anything can happen , and it will !
KTM fans, I just read some of the posts here. Do any of you find Stewart fanboys irritating? Well do everyone else a favor and try to avoid being a KTM fanboy. KTM, I mean Dungey, didn't win because KTM was smart enough to use a steel frame. Dungey(KTM) won because he is the 2nd best rider out there right now, and he got a holeshot and the best rider had problems. I would guarantee Stewart would be having the same types of problems with a Suzuki. He just isn't as good as he was a few years ago and it seems like he is less than adequately prepared. Throw in that it seems like he quits and stops trying once things go bad these days.
Congrats to KTM for their first win!!! Musquin did awesome as well. Would have been really interesting if Roczen was in the mix. Could have been KTM's night in both classes!!! Oh well. Congrats to Leib for making the main as well. I guess the Honda suits him better than the Husky!!!
Once again 80% of the comments are about the 8th place rider! Let's give it up for Dungey, Weimer, and RV for that awesome recovery and not mention that other guy.
JS7 face looked like it was dirty after his face plant in the sand trap. Did anyone else notice that?
Everyone paid attention to RC's "steel frame" comment. They have always had steel frames and raced plenty of hard pack,slippery tracks and not even PODIUMED. Fact is, dungeys bike is all new and unproven. Give him 90% of the credit. Love dungey, great kid. Agreed on stewart, time to move on.
.Good racing last night, i am so happy for Dungey, Musquin, and KTM..what a great night for them....i'd like to hear from all the people who said RD would not get a single win on that bike this year.....Keep it up Ryan!! Everybody wants to say "it's the bike" or "it's not the bike"....to me, whatever it is, Stewart does not look right out there, fitness? preparation?state of mind? Who knows..... he made pretty easy work of Reed both in the heat and the main, but i'm well aware that doesn't mean crap if ya can't stay up, and i do think he rode like crap after he went down too. Reed looked a little off too though. Stewart had the WORST jump off the gate i think i have ever seen him get, just horrible........ ..he better figure it out quick!! Real quick!! Trey Canard will be mixing it up in the front real soon too! Once again, big props to the KTM crew on their night!! Good stuff all of it, but we don't get live coverage for a few weeks now, do we ?
The impressive part about RV is when he's passing everyone he consistently seems to make it as clean as possible. Unlike some who make a charge and just go for broke. This season has a lot of respectful racers vying for the championship it's gonna be great racing.
I Agree that RV has the talent and speed o make clean passes instead of block passing in the other riders line.
Anything, and I mean anything, that people on this thread espouse about bikes, money, etc. are "stories". The "facts" can only come from the source and they would have to tell us directly, AND even then there is likely some politics involved as sponsors and sponsorship money is involved.
This is only about bench racing and theories. Ok, opinions as well.
Here s a theory for you:
Joe Gibbs is a very successful business man. The brand decision is ultimately up to him. He and he alone signs that contract. Stewart could not have picked any bike he wanted as the JG would need to have a comparable money and support deal in place for his business.
JG could however make assurances and promises within and outside the MX community. Full custom development efforts for his bike including one off parts. NASCAR opportunities in the future, etc. JG is already getting into the hard parts development and sales space. Goals of competing with Factory Connection and PC in parts maybe?
Here is an opinion:
Can James and the bike mesh? Very likely. While he hit the dirt a lot last year he did have the speed to run up front and to win. So the bike was close and he has the development arm to make it better.
James may very likely be in a transition of changing his approach and moving away from the win or crash trying paradigm of previous years. He is likely putting a lot of pressure on himself and not comfortable yet.
I am not a fan of James, but like many before him he does seem to be maturing in font of us and the media as I see someone who at least now trying to engage and take ownership. Bouncing of less riders even :-)
RV on the other hand.....WOW.
Go RV and Weimer too!
I love my 2012 KX450 also ;-)
matt moss that was a BULL$HIT move on sipes. holy crap, a block pass is one thing but that was pathetic. hope he returns the favor and punts your ass next week
@Thgnrck is KTM giving you a discount for your comments, Getting rid of three Suzuki's, Yamaha's are beginners bikes, your retarded. If you ask me you are pretty gullible to buy a bike based off of pro results. PS I kicked some dudes butt racing multiple times this past season on his brand new fancy orange KTM 450, me I'm racing my 2009 YZ250 and loved every second of it. I think I'll buy another YZ 250 screw all you dummies on four strokes.
Dungey is going to be Champ this year! He doesn't make the mistakes that Villopoto makes, it's that simple. When was the last time Dungey wasn't on the podium, not including his bike failures of course? If Dungey hadn't thrown a chain at A2 last year he would have been the 2011 Champ,easily beating Villopoto.
Anyone who says JGR wasted there money on Stewart is a fool. do you think the money they are paying stewart comes out of joe gibbs pocket ? NO it comes from toyota , and who else could they have got better than stewart that can win a championship ? nobody !
Am I the only one that notices the front end on that POS Yamaha. I guess not, thats why there were only two on the main event last night. Nobody wants to ride them... Yamaha must be paying JGR a ton of money and I really hope they spend all of it trying to fix the bike.
I frequently have the same problem as James when it comes to my bike set up. I want to hold the throttle wide open regardless of terrain ( big sandy single jump ) or body position ( off balance out of a corner ) but the damn bike wants to crash. James will win some races before the season is over but to this point the crashes are on him ,not the bike. New WR450 has 250 style frame and new fuel inj standard motor, could this be the predecessor to the new YZ450.
To all of you that think that JS7 doesn't have what it takes to win anymore, you are all correct, its called a good bike.
I wonder who will be the winners and loosers in bike sales this week? Love it or hate it, that's why these manufactures race, it all boils down to dollars and cents. I see clear winners and loosers so far. That's going to be interesting to watch too.
James looked awsesome in his heat race.I think his head is the problem and not his bike.If you watched his heat race you had to say "this guy can win".
All you KTM braggers better find your excuse when it gets a bad start and cannot advance because it does not have a pass button. RV he just flicks that little switch and zooms right on by any time he pleases. I had to laugh about RD's KTM domination comment afterwards, when he is being dominated and owned by RV.
Typical excuses. Tires, bike, sick. The guy looks gassed when he comes off the track, it's called being ill prepared after having more time than any other person out there to get ready for SX. He's not the best anymore and it's not the bike, get over it. Everyone makes it sound like he only started crashing when he got a Yamaha, he's been crashing his brains out since he got to the big bike class. His natural talent can't take him any further without some serious hard work he apparently doesn't look like he's putting in. Who fires Aldon Baker? Really? JS can't deal with competition and pressure, bottom line. He says his bike is better this year than last year, and last year he looked on rails when he was up until he'd crash. He can't handle the pressure of good competition out of 4 or 5 people, he could barely stay up against one guy on his level in RC. This whole JS excuse thing is out of control, just look at the result sheets and suck it up.
His JGR Yamaha handles works fine when he's winning practice and dominating heat races (he won like 15 or 16 out of 17 last year or something ridiculous like that).
@zinger, i guess you forgot about RV2 not even quailfing at a SX last year.If you want to add in Dungey's dnf points then you need to add RV2 dnq points.What about JS7 points at Daytona.Point is bla bla bla.
NEWS FLASH!!!! James Stewart was overheard telling JGR that he wanted to race a YZ250 2stroke!!!!
@Thgnrck.Riders get dirty when they race in dirt.What did the rooster tails look like from the Zukis and Kaws.You must be about to run out of TardPills.Do you need some more?Hahahahhahaha.
a mechanical dnf is the same as failing to qualify? I guess it's not bulls#*t if YOU really believe it.
I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER MONSTER DRINK. TV barley showed the winner, RED BULL KTM Ryan Dungey won the race and got the least air time, we are not fools Monster Energy, we know what is up! LAME.
@fred, Villopoto doesn't get a "What if" for making mistakes and not qualifying for a main, that was rider error and Villopoto's fail. And Villopto has made one bad mistake already this season and he is going to do it again.
The difference between a DNF and DNQ is at least a minimun of one point.Point is you can get points with a DNF and not with a DNQ.
@zinger I was going to award todays RockHard DA award to @Thgnrck but I think I'm going to give it to you.Hahahahaha.Like bla bla bla.
all of you js7 EXPERTS apparently didn't notice that AS29's back wheel that was heavily involved in his crash...uh, he clipped the wheel, lost the front end...
its not a bike problem, mind problem, racial or social issue, or racing philosophy...it was a racing incident...simple...
he was moving forward fast before that...lost his momentum after...
stop overcooking it...seriously...its sunday at noon and I am already annoyed by the haters/philosophers...
STEWART UPDATE!!!!!! Mr. Motorcross has just got this news from a reliable source that james stewart WILL BE RACING A YZ250 2STROKE at the next round!! He has been turning faster lap times at the test track every single time he rides it and says he has always liked the smaller,quicker 2strokes!!! Its official!!! Its on!!!
Mr-Motocross I will believe that when I see it with my own two eyes.
@retardcross I AGREE 100% !!!!!!!!!
the point is it is amusing to see the excuses from the people who accuse dungey of making excuses. A bike taking a s#*t while leading on the last lap doesn't make a difference ( unless it's pourcel, then it does ) 2 races this year have been nearly identical. A "Ryan" holeshots and goes wire to wire while stewart comes back from a bad start and crashes and the other "Ryan" comes back from his own crash to finish third. The biggest difference I see is one week it's "total domination" but the next week it's "luck" or "being in the right place at the right time". Anyway, I hope Ryan Dungey can someday find some consistency and stop choking. If he doesn't he's never going to reach the same level as Josh Grant or Josh Hill ( or even the other big mouthed turd ).
The Lcqs were stacked!
PLEASE!!! If you aren't serious dont leave a comment,this site is for real motorcrossers ONLY!! I used to race motorcross and i know what im talking about!!!
I wonder how many more outside of the top 5 finishs jgr are going to take before bubba gets CANNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KTM = Keep Talkin, Morons
Brilliant … unbelievable insight! You guys are awesome!!!
"@Mr-Motocross ... I'm not entirely sure it is legal to race a 250 2-stroke in the supercross class."
Yes, it is as long as the YZ250 has been homologated for 2012. Besides import numbers, a fee needs to be paid (by Yamaha) with the necessary paperwork. Of course if Dungey's bike can run.....
Better question is why it not OK for the Lites class, but that another issue having to do with MXsports siding with the manufactuers over readers/consumers/industry bill-payers/local tracks, overall health of the sport.
Congrats to Marv.. 4th in his 1st SX, 2nd in his 2nd. Not sure why that is not a headline.
of course we are, we used to race "motorcross". duh.
did james thank pirelli when he won his heat race ?
@mxchampion . Funny comment ... U sound like a fool .. U2 @Mrmotocross ... I know I used to race motocross... so what , most of us on here still do ...Its been 2 races , big deal , If u all know moto , then u would know ANYTHING can happen ! >> next week will be a different storie , and the week after that , and on and on ETC ETC ...blah blah blah !!!!..
Why is everyone giving Stewart so much crap? He made a mistake, was pushing forward after a bad start, probably could have grabbed a top 3. Made a mistake where a lot of people did. Lol give the guy a break.
Unfortunately reiyon6192, NOBODY ever gives Stewart a break on here, they are a bunch of angry, know it all haters who get their nut off by trash talking the dude........losers all of 'em!! GO DUNGEY!!
!!!!!!!! FREE BIKE REPAIR 101 !!!!!!!!!! Ok everyone, im going to share some of my motorcross wisdome so listen up!!!! ALWAYS REPLACE YOUR POWERBAND BEFORE A BIG RACE !!!!!!!! I used to race motorcross and i know what im talking about!
!~!NEWS FLASH!~! James Stewart anounces retierment on ESPN!!!
Hey Zinger. What mistake has RV made this year???? You talking about Milsaps falling right in front of him? He had no time and no option but to hit him.
Sorry guys but I watched last nights race 4 times now and if that's the bad night out of the way for RV it's over for everyone else! If that race was a few laps longer he would of won the whole thing. If you PVR'd the race go back and watch his pass on Winham in slow motion! People bag on him for a lack of style? That's because he's too busy pulverizing the track.
Watch the clip and tell me I'm wrong!
wow this is a tough crowd! lets just have the same guy win every weekend
What is the Deal with Moss purposely running Sipes off the track?? Watch his front tire and he never turns showing it was intentional. Ridiculous! Ride at least half way clean or go home. Disgusted long time motocross fan here.
Ripdown, Poto shouldn't have been there in the first place, that was his mistake, if he is going to be Champ he can't be in the back. A real champ is out front, away from the chaos like Dungey was.
hey rip half the races ive seen or been in were a lap or two longer someone else would have won
***BREAKING NEWS*** YAMAHA PULLS all SUPPORT from JGR and FIRES JAMES STEWART,,,JGR WILL RACE an ALL NEW HONDA 350cc 2-STROKE with Mr. Motorcross at the controlls.....Stay tuned for more news soon....!!!!!!!!!!!!
My 2cents first I would like to say how happy I am to have. Super cross back !!! As far as the racing goes so Ryan v is on his ride game thanks to Kawasaki and Alden baker before Alden baker rvs ride game was good but not great give credit where credit is due Ryan dungey i like this kid from what I hear and see he all about working for his results I think his results reflect more of his hard work ethic than natural talent the ktm and rodger decanter and dungey work and work well... Last year when rodger wasn't there dungeys results we not there Stewart I have been and always will be a James Stewart fan remember when he was riding for Kawasaki how muchnhe tapped the field and how good he looked on the bike and when he switched it was like his talent made the bike work ok let me bring up Chad reed I like his style it sick however him and the Kawasaki never got along I would say it's similar to James and the yamaha I ride a yamaha because of the rep for durability how ever I have suffered because it is not the bike that is best for my riding style ...... A lot of what Ifs the facts are I give the ryans credit for there results and getting the job done James Stewart will be back as long has he does not dnf he will have the ryans losing sleep
Nobody is gonna hole hot every race. You have any idea all the variables involved on the gate and in the first couple laps? Fact is if RD holeshots he has a chance. If he doesn't he may get a podium. Just a fact. He's not an aggressive rider and does not make a lot of passes. Wish I was wrong but I'm not. See A1 for confirmation.
dman581. You may be correct but I can't recall too many coming com dead last to win a Supercross. RV was goin that fast that he just might have. That would be the point I was making!
***UPDATE***James Stewart pays JGR $1,000,000 to ride with and learn from Mr. Motorcross....!
***UPDATE***James Stewart pays JGR $1,000,000 to ride with and learn from Mr. Motorcross....!
i like stewart but the pressure is too much, he never should of ever mentioned MC's record of 72 wins unless he someday made it to 71...
i think he will get better though, am still a fan, am a fan of all of them though...
Also I happens to to look at the final results and what bikes made it to the top ten and what bikes the privateers choose to ride take a look .... Where is yamaha ??
Im a fan of Mr.Motorcross,hes the best motorcrosser on earth.
Yamaha was 8th,your welcome!
Forgot to mention a big shout out to Jake Weimer!!! Good job Jake!!!
Also happy that Trey got some valuable points. Trey was pretty down on himself when I talked with him at Anaheim. Good job as well Trey!!!
Mr G I thought the same thing then I watched it again, and he got his handle bar caught up in sipes bars or something and was trying to turn but by then too late, I agree he took it too far, and I think he (moss) knows that now,
bummed for sipes
Anyone else disappointed with Canard's ride?? I know he was hurt, but he flew at Millvillle last year after coming back from injury.
Another thing: get rid of those %$(&*) singles that break up the flow of the track!!
Some people need their keyboard taken away. :(
Stkx.....how many fast lap times and race wins did JS have las year? What was wrong with the bike then?
Didn't reed win a title on a yamaha? Just sayin......................
Mr Motocross: keep your bull**it away from here, who cares about your crap retard?
@zinger-
Dude you must know nothing about racing as it is not Rv's fault for having no where to go before a sand wall and when DM fell, RV was I believe in 3rd and came close to going right over DM's bike and most likely would have won the race by +20 seconds had he stayedd upright.
RV was killing it out there and was by far the fastest guy... Plus for him to "salvage" a podium from last was awesome to watch!
Tomac and Sealy have everything, and then some the PC guys if they can get good starts! Ratray is just boring to watch and also dissapointing for a "World Champion" to be racing the 250 class for so many years in a row!
Congrats to RD5 and the people at KTM for putting the new bike on the "top level" of the podium after only 3 races. RV1 will still be the man to beat this season, but it is only 2 races into the season. Nice to see all the Bubba fans blaming the bike, but isn't he the one that has the crew set the suspension up so it rides like a pogo stick? I have seen Bubba post many fast times in practice and in heat races, to bad you get no points there. Bubba needs to get his head and his conditioning into the game to be a contender, he is 16 points back right now so he needs the front runners to have some bad luck and the rest of his season to be flawless. I think I will root for Dungey this season, he works hard stays in shape and can take a totally new bike and put it at the front of the pack after a very short time with it. I know RV1 will be very strong this year and has the best shot at winning, but I really like the underdog. Lets hope the rest of the season stays as exciting as the first few races have been.
its good to see how drastically alessi and short's results have improved since getting away from ktm.
Not one true Californian in the SX top 10? Nice.
@Saddleback I feel your pain but I think you need to keep buying Monster drinks.Moster did sign up to be a title sponser until 2016 in this uncertain economy plus they are the reason that we are getting to see so many live SX's instead of being split up and shown on Sundays and Lites on Tuesdays.
I like to run the green powerband in my 2 smoke because I'm a fan of Green Arrow.Green Arrow smokes Red arrow everytime.
Was reed on the new fuel injected s beam twin spar yamaha just saying!!! Oh I went to the dealer ship and could not find a slimmer profile one off aluminum tank with slimmer profile rad shrouds ??? Just saying .... I love the sport I'm a fan of the sport worked in the sport at a AMA level .... Give credit where credit due to those whom have done well .... No excuses for anybody just Can't get enough of the sport.... And want good racing!!!
Two Thoughts
1. Big emphasis in the JBone interview on tires being about solving James "head" problems.
2. Difference in hunger/conditioning seen in the "get up time" when RV fell verses James.
Do you honestly think that Yamaha, with all of its years of R&D, experience, and champonships has built an inferior bike? C'mon man, this is not even the first year of its production so that excuse is total BS! It is more the rider than anything else. Yamaha just does not have the star power that the other brands have. Put Dungey on a bike that has "never" had a win in the premiere class and within a couple of races he is on top of the box, and on the box the other races, so get off of the crappy bike excuse. Put RV on a yammy and he will make it a winner!
@mr motocross, what do you mean used to race motocross? You still should be racing motocross if you still ride a motocross bike. If you only play ride and are professional practice rider I dont care what you think.
@misoheye Wasnt to long ago Carmichael was smoking people on A two stroke against mostly four strokes Stewart did to. Bet if you gave RV a two stroke 250 he'd still win some races.
Ok my last post let's talk about dungey he's was approached by jgrmx and refused to even ride a yamaha so last bit of that because of yamaha r&d I purchased a yamaha and love it five valve thumper with reports of 250 hour engines still running to answer the question dungey chose not to even try the bike Kyle chilsom won bercy on it had better results with the bike than with the Kawasaki different strokes for different folks reed kawi didn't work alessi on ktm didn't work etc etc hope to spark healthy debate not useless my rider your rider pheonix was great enjoyed a lot also glad to have a place to discuss our sport thanks to racer x and sx.mx fans monster energy thank u
mbmoto, "Dude you must know nothing about racing as...... , Rattray is just boring to watch and also dissapointing for a "World Champion" to be racing the 250 class for so many years in a row"
This is Tyla's SECOND season of SX, Marvin's FIRST. Just curious; were you saying this last year about Hanny? He is just short of 4 (FOUR) years older than Rattray, and was in (at least) his 7th year in Lites SX. I will guess not.
Since you know about racing then you know that GP guys seldom get 450 outdoor rides and never in SX. And you also know that it makes little sense to denigrate his World Championship by putting it in "World Champion" scare quotes and then use it's authenticity to disqualify him. It's called critical thinking and it is not standard equipment, unfortunately.
Lol on motoonline.com.au facebook. Matt moss mum is going nuts at people for saying her son was being dirty. If that was a racing incident I would like to know what people think is dirty?
It may be very possible that JGR doesn't have whatever bike manufacturer options they want. Toyota probably would not like JGR to use or allow the use of a Honda or Suzuki bike for example for obvious reasons. Stewart signed for the possible race car opportunity in the future is just my guess/opinion.
"uneasy_rider wrote:
"Do you honestly think that Yamaha, with all of its years of R&D, experience, and champonships has built an inferior bike? C'mon man, this is not even the first year of its production ..."
What? Inferior only means it is not the best one. Every mfr has built inferior bikes unless brand X is always best. Problem: since your claim is that "with all the years of R&D, experience, etc" that all the manufactures (not just Yamaha) possess it is impossible that any of them are inferior. So they are all best? Is this Lake Woebegone?
" C'mon man, this is not even the first year of its production ..." You are right, it's the THIRD. Best of luck.
ElsinoreRacer,
Was your response meant to contradict what I wrote? I'm confused. I was stating the fact that the bike plays a small, insignificant role in a championship. Nick Wey could barely qualify for the main event on the same brand bike that won the championship and first race. Why would the rider that half the people claim is the FMOTP pick the same bike for the past couple of years for 2 different teams? Cause it is a contender! Yes it is the THIRD year of production, hence the "not even the first year" statement. Who is saying the Yamaha is the worst? People on this board? It must be so then!
Zinger, RD has gone down already this year all by himself, and if you call a 5th place start an failure on RV the RD had that same failure last week. Rv came from last to 3rd and RD came from 5th to 3rd. Milsaps caused RV to go down it wasn't RVs mistake at all. HMMMMMMMMMMM do we all see some bias here or just a unrealistic fan ??? I like RD and RV but RV's not qualifing at Jacksonville was totally caused by other riders and NOT his error causing him to lose MORE points than RD lost by losing his chain. Try again chump !!!!
getting taken out by tufblocks trying to re-enter the track wasn't his fault?
You don't win heat races in the premier class of Supercross on a bad bike. Consentration, determination, fitness, and focus are the keys. Think about all the past champs multi-time champs and the differences from the "some" of the riders were talking about here. All the champs including Stewart at one time were focused and at the top of their game. Some are late starters and some are early starters. Unfortunately it doesn't last forever. What place are you at in your head?
Poor Villopoto nuts swingers. Villopoto got his championships handed to him last year, you're blind if you think otherwise. It took Dungey mechanical fails for him to win. Dungey is going to win this year just watch. There was no catching him last night, no one was even close, and he wasn't even trying.
I am pulling for Dungey, but you have to give it up to RV. He didn't even make the main event for a race and won the title. I hope Dungey wins the title, to silence the critics, but I will not discredit anyone who wins the title because of this and that. I am sure quite a few people on here will discredit Dungey's title. Not me though, you have to be there to win!
Okay it is either Dungey or RV's title this year. Dungey was only 2 tenths or a second offf villos pace last night. Its either those two, there both worthy or it.
of a second
Zinger there are no what-if's about RV's titles, you're out to lunch. He was the best last year and currently looks the best prepared this year. Dungey isn't the only person that DNF'd, they all had their ups and downs. RV has Dungey's number right now. And I don't dislike Dungey either I am happy for how he's riding the KTM.
Hey zinger, you know what seperates RV from RD?
RV has speed and can pass.
The only way Poto win this year is if he takes out Dungey, Dungey is the better rider, the more consistant rider and is just as fast.
Weimer and Canard are going to be a threat for the win at anytime!
Also, i agree with Saddleback about the lack of the air time of Red Bull and Dungey.......complete BS, but thats corporate America for ya!! Dungey is leading his first race and the first for KTM in that class and they barely show him.....then at the end as he crosses the finish line they IMMEDIATELY, and i mean immediately cut to Villopoto.....that is bull s--t!!
@mxchampion, hopfully only one or two more. lol.