by Chase Stallo
Sign of the Lap Times: Unadilla
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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PrintOne word captured round nine of the Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship from Unadilla, "Change." Ryan Villopoto made the "change" from the 2011 KX450F to new '12 model. Justin Barcia made the "change" from the 250 class to the 450 class. And Justin Bogle made the "change" from the amateur ranks to the pro ranks. You will hear plenty about all this "change" throughout the week so let's see how it all broke down with this week's Motion Pro Sign of the Lap Times.
450 Class
Moto 1
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 2 | 2:05.871 | 10 | 2:09.006 | Ryan Dungey |
| 2 | 1 | 2:05.875 | 10 | 2:08.572 | Ryan Villopoto |
| 3 | 3 | 2:07.005 | 2 | 2:09.210 | Justin Barcia |
| 4 | 5 | 2:10.076 | 4 | 2:12.136 | Jake Weimer |
| 5 | 6 | 2:10.223 | 6 | 2:12.355 | Brett Metcalfe |
| 6 | 9 | 2:10.313 | 2 | 2:14.814 | Christian Craig |
| 7 | 4 | 2:10.395 | 8 | 2:11.909 | Chad Reed |
| 8 |
7 | 2:10.905 | 4 | 2:13.010 | Mike Alessi |
| 9 | 8 | 2:11.534 | 16 | 2:13.112 | Justin Brayton |
| 10 | 23 | 2:12.444 | 7 | 2:20.984 | Les Smith |
Moto 2
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 1 | 2:07.369 | 6 | 2:10.947 | Ryan Villopoto |
| 2 | 2 | 2:09.474 | 9 | 2:11.457 | Ryan Dungey |
| 3 | 3 | 2:09.801 | 9 | 2:12.292 | Justin Barcia |
| 4 | 5 | 2:10.895 | 4 | 2:14.928 | Chad Reed |
| 5 | 7 | 2:11.522 | 4 | 2:15.140 | Justin Brayton |
| 6 | 25 | 2:11.677 | 6 | 2:23.723 | Brett Metcalfe |
| 7 | 4 | 2:11.909 | 4 | 2:14.810 | Mike Alessi |
| 8 |
6 | 2:12.337 | 3 | 2:15.098 | Jake Weimer |
| 9 | 8 | 2:12.862 | 5 | 2:15.828 | Andrew Short |
| 10 | 9 | 2:13.357 | 9 | 2:16.785 | Kyle Regal |
Ryan Dungey wasn't able to extended his two race winning streak at Unadilla, but he was able to set the fastest lap in moto one with a barn burning 2:05.871--edging out Ryan Villopoto's 2:05.875 by a hair.
Moto two was a different story as Villopoto blew the doors off the rest of the field en route to a blistering 2:07.369 put down on lap 6--which was a full two seconds faster than Dungey's 2:09.474. Villopoto now holds a seven-point lead over Dungey with three rounds remaining and has momentum on his side as the series heads to Southwick.
One other interesting note before we leave the 450 class. JGR's Justin Brayton put the hammer down on lap 16 and set his fastest lap of the race in moto one. Well done, well done indeed.
Villopoto set the fastest lap in moto two.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
250 Class
Moto 1
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 1 | 2:08.976 | 7 | 2:11.953 | Dean Wilson |
| 2 | 2 | 2:09.674 | 9 | 2:12.631 | Blake Baggett |
| 3 | 3 | 2:10.033 | 10 | 2:12.620 | Tyla Rattray |
| 4 |
5 | 2:10.448 | 7 | 2:13.124 | Eli Tomac |
| 5 | 8 | 2:10.554 | 7 | 2:14.842 | Kyle Cunningham |
| 6 |
6 | 2:10.657 | 7 | 2:14.068 | Justin Bogle |
| 7 | 4 | 2:10.754 | 7 | 2:13.212 | Gareth Swanepoel |
| 8 | 7 | 2:11.400 | 5 | 2:14.677 | Marvin Musquin |
| 9 | 34 | 2:12.008 | 8 | 2:14.443 | Malcolm Stewart |
| 10 | 14 | 2:12.080 | 8 | 2:16.573 | Martin Davalos |
Moto 2
| Lap Rank | Finish | Best Lap | In Lap | Avg Lap Time | Rider |
| 1 | 1 | 2:10.589 | 9 | 2:13.147 | Dean Wilson |
| 2 | 2 | 2:10.646 | 9 | 2:13.699 | Eli Tomac |
| 3 | 3 | 2:11.590 | 9 | 2:15.040 | Blake Baggett |
| 4 | 6 | 2:12.187 | 7 | 2:16.840 | Justin Bogle |
| 5 | 5 | 2:12.253 | 6 | 2:15.452 | Martin Davalos |
| 6 | 4 | 2:12.598 | 8 | 2:15.398 | Kyle Cunningham |
| 7 | 23 | 2:13.284 | 4 | 2:23.530 | Jason Anderson |
| 8 | 36 | 2:13.953 | 5 | 2:32.526 | Tyla Rattray |
| 9 | 10 | 2:14.033 | 6 | 2:17.967 | Alex Martin |
| 10 | 8 | 2:14.178 | 9 | 2:17.288 | Marvin Musquin |
Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki's Dean Wilson took command of the 250 class over the weekend at Unadilla. Wilson obliterated the field en route to his first overall of the season via 1-1 moto scores. Now with a commanding 25-point lead over teammate Blake Baggett, Wilson looks primed to win his first career outdoor title. But let's get back on track; this is Sign of the Lap Times after all. Wilson set the fastest laps in both motos with a 2:08.976 in moto one and a 2:10.589 in moto two.
While one AMA Horizon Award winner was making headlines in his rookie debut--Justin Bogle--another was trying to resurrect a rookie season gone wrong. Rockstar Suzuki’s Jason Anderson is slowly regaining the form that made him the hottest prospect coming into the pro ranks this season. Anderson was running inside the top-10 for the majority of moto two before taking a digger and fighting back to finish 23rd. But Anderson can take solace in setting the seventh fastest lap of the moto with a 2:13.284 on lap four.
Wilson set the fastest lap in both 250 motos.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
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Les Smith, top 10? Good on ya! Only one guy within 5 seconds of the top 2, and it ain't Chad? Wow. Those two are crushing it.
The defending "2010" MX of Nations Champion and current Outdoor Champion has earned the distinction to carry the #1 plate at this year's MX of Nations !!!! RV, of course, is very deserving of that plate, butt RD is a big part of the reason why "Team USA" is the defending champions.........Just fuel for thought !!!
It's pretty obvious from the reporting/articles that Villopoto is Racer X's media darling. (Maybe they're getting a huge kickback from Kawi with all this 2012 Kx 450f talk). They just can't say enough good things about him when he does good or make enough excuses for him when he doesn't. No doubt he is great but share the love. Dungey has proven that he is every bit as fast as Villo but can't seem to win the favor of this reporting team. Villopoto "blew the doors" off the competition because he had a clear track. When they talk to the riders before a race the # 1 thing they all say is "I need to get a good start" . Why is that ? How many times have we seen Dungey reel Villopoto in as the race goes on ? (Washougal and Millville come to mind). Dungey can flat out get it on a track and is almost always up front. "If" Dungey hadn't had a DNF earlier all we would hear is more excuses for Villopoto. I like Villopoto, very humble no nonsense guy, but I'm pulling Dungey just to shut up the naysayers, including racer x.
If RV win's this title and the SX title no question he gets the #1 plate IMO. If RD win's the nat title then the combind points for SX and the Nats should deside who gets to run the #1 plate. Fair enough I think.
@rrmriding RV had a clear track AFTER he PASSED RD, JB and a few others....BOTH MOTO'S!!! So I would say that day RV did blow the doors everyone!!
I think whoever win the motocross championship should run the number one plate at the "Nations" race, since it's outdoors. Because I think of Supercross as a different discipline, I don't think it should count towards it.
Jason Anderson is finally coming around. Keep up the good work Jason!!
Makes you wonder what he could do with a PC Kawi...?
To BillC : Just putting my 2 cents out there which tends to be more objective than your blowhard subjective 2 cents. RV is good at getting to the front early (and has on more than one occasion gone by Dungey in the process) this is a weakness of Dungey no doubt. But history has shown that Dungey gets better into the moto and on more than one occasion has reeled in Villo when he isn't dealing with a rider directly in front of him. If you look at the lap times Barcia's best lap is over a second slower than Dungey's. Not trying to take anything away from Villo but Dungey did struggle and had to deal with a road block so Villopoto never was challeged. That's racin'... Maybe the Barcia factor will benefit Dungey next time or, maybe not.
rrmracing. rv started behind rd both motos???????
MX Desnations numbers. To me it is easy. The Ryans already have the numbers on there bikes. Next year if they are both selected RV2 will have #1 if he wins the championship. No brained to me even though I am a RV2 fan.
@rrmriding you call this objective "It's pretty obvious from the reporting/articles that Villopoto is Racer X's media darling" Hmmmmmmmmmm You are an odd duck.
ps. in moto 2 JB was only .327 slower than RD's best.
@Mit12... The problem is the MX2 Guy gets #2 so one of the Ryan's will have to run #3
@brymo0... Yes he did, Not only that but he was behind "the road block" as well and had no problem passing him either.
@brymo0 wrote: I guess I need to make this more clear. Villo has been behind Dungey "early" (meaning within the first half of the first lap) many times and "passes" him before the end of the first lap. Yes, it happened both motos at Uni and many more times before that. It is a Villopoto strength and a Dungey weakness... In the first lap there are many riders bunched up together and many mistakes are made in that part of the race as a result. Villopoto makes less at this time and Dungey makes more. Example, first moto Dungey cross rutted in a turn. I get it, Villopoto does pass Dungey, but many times it's in that first lap chaos. There haven't been too many times where you see Villopoto reeling in Dungey later in the Moto like we've seen Dungey do to him.
@ rrmriding,, It doesnt really matter who reels in who.. What matters is, RV has the points lead, and is looking the best right now.. Yep,,,,, its that simple...
RV and RD are very close, but overall RVs stats while racing are better than RD, the downside to rv is he has spent a lot of time injured the last 2 years. In spite of this he has logged more wins than RD in much less time racing the 450 class, SX am MX. The stats say RV is the better racer in both 250 and 450 classes.
i really cant stand u billc
@rrmriding That's the reason why they have 40 riders not 2...if it was a race between RD and RV I would be looking for RD to win, but there's 40 riders and part of racing is passing and that is probably Dungey's biggest weakness.
rrmriding - RV a media darling?....dude, up until Washougal all we heard about was Chad Reed this and Chad Reed that....Reed is the man, Reed has this championship, Reed is incredible...Then after Milleville and Washougal, there was the Dungey push....If anything, people were starting to count RV out since he lost to Dungey a couple weeks in a row ....This week the RV that many folks were waiting for showed up and at just the right time and I think a few folks are in shock how easy he made it look.......RacerX is not biased and will write about whoever is doing good or bad from a reporter point of view for us moto-geeks to read....Look at the excuses for Reed being made already...is he not a darling?..He took a good tumble (no serious injury) and now thats why he isnt running up front???.. Reed had a few 5th and 4th finishes before the "crash" , got his ass handed too him a few times by RV and can only run up front if he starts there it seems...Each race he has finished off the box, he started somewhere between 5-10th.....I watched RV start from 5 or 6th twice this weekend and moto past the best no problem.....that is worth talking about my friend
Thanks green rider!!! Truth hurts does it??
@ BillC. You are biased toward your boy and your comments confirm it. I'm just putting in 2 cents like many others and trying to be non-biased and objective in the process ( you did get me on the barcia/dungey lap time in second moto, good on you bad on me). But if you don't want to be objective in your comments you "odd duck" then direct them at someone else. Many of the comments on here bashing the riders and post are really un-warranted and easy for anyone sitting behind the mask of a screen and key board. That's why I'll take back the "blowhard" comment because I don't want to be just another guy sitting behind a computer screen bashing other posts. But it is nice to read comments that give good insight to the race action with out the needless bantering of riders and other posts
As for the MXD Who would you want in the final Moto if we need passes to be made to win it like we have in the past?? RV or RD?? We need RV to make it happen like Stanton and RJ have done if we need it.
Thanks for maning up
rrmriding and taking back the Blowhard coment, Because I don't feel my post before you called me that was bad in any way at all and you call me a blowhard. Thats how things start so good on you for stoping it...Thanks!!
MX117 has it right. Let the outdoor champion run the MXDN #1. There are great arguments for each guy. Let them decide it on the track. The guy that runs the MX3 class will have greater impact on the points anyway. He should take maximum points away from other MX1 and MX2 competitors.
PS. I am not biased, What I said is what happen, When RD ran RV down iin millvile I gave him big props and said i LOVED his agresive riding, And when they restarted moto 2 in Washougal and RD holeshot I said that sucked for RV but I also said I don't think it mattered because RD was the man that day and would have won anyway so see I call it how I see it. Whe RD does good I say it and when he does not get the job done like last weekend I say it too. Same with RV, I said he looked bad at millvile, But the I get slamed for "taking away form RD's Win" so sometimes I can't win LOL
I still think RV has an edge over RD....True, we did see Dungey reel RV2 in a couple of times, but we have seen RV2 win convincingly, hands down, no challenge from anyone more often than we have seen him get "reeled in"...I think I heard Dungey say a few weeks back (or every week for that matter) " man we are so close in speed, bike set up is crucial and every little tweek of improvment helps".....so now, RV2 who has been having some issues with his bike set up, makes the change to a better bike and set up and comes out and dominates....Like Reed says, when you are comfortable on the bike and happy, you ride your best....and RV is now in that position....
What you don't want at the MXDN is a bad day. If you look at consitancy, it is a checkmark for RD. The guy doesn't take big risks and has a better chance of finishing on the podium. RV has a better chance of finishing 1st based soley on his agression. For speed I would say they are equal.
Will Barcia " let Chad by" ?
How quick we forget about Reed! He would have easily won the title were it not for that superman stunt. He may never recover mentally from that crash anymore as he has to think about his family now. Most people are not afraid of meet the big guy upstairs, but most don't want to hurt their family and I think that is where Reed is now...at the "is it worth it stage". RV mentioned he felt the same way when he broke his leg. I hope CR does recover though and give the two young boys a run for their money.
You need to double check the lap times of moto 2 of the 250 class. You have errors ! CHECK IT AGAIN....
@rrmriding
a little food for thought.....the reason RV had an open track is because he made it happen early and got out front and took off. As I recall RD was ahead of Poto at both starts? RV was 5th or 6th out of the first turn and 1 1/2 laps later was in first (moto2).
There was nothing stopping RD from doing the same.....except he doesn't like to hang it out. Gotta force the issue a little if you want to be champ this year!
ps.....people like myself like RV for exactly that reason.....he's exciting to watch ride and he's willing to push the envelope from time to time to make it happen.
your right, RV does like to hang it out but that does not get the job done every time. last years Supercross for example RV crashed and got hurt. just sayin.
Having watched this race from the infield I can tell you TV doesn't do it justice! The Top 5 guys were flying! RV was insane! Just sayin
I hate to beat a dead horse and I am definitly not taking anything away from Dungey...But as we saw last year, he didnt have to "work" to hard to get that outdoor MX title series was over at the halfway point pretty much...Sure there were days that he had to pass some guys and he took a good tumble one day and even a DNF like this year, but for the most part he just rode his race and it came to him easily......Any true contenders for the title were either already hurt (RV) got hurt (Alessi, Grant) or quit (Reed)....This year its a differnet story...a story Dungey is not used too
No matter what, "The Ryans" are among the best in the world, mostly on the pointy end of that equasion.
Come September in France, the world is going to see by how much.
This will give Foreigner Mike something to disparage us over for the next 365 while we're hoisting the Chamberlain Trophy AGAIN.
Racing's been close and there's been ups & downs but, it ain't over 'till it's over.
Now, if Alessi & Barcia can get between them and Reed can come back online, it'll be really interesting........................
RV looks like the old RV on the 250 with the new bike and that means trouble for everyone else!..I am seriously thinking about going to France to see the Des Nations as I believe that the USA is going to put a serious ars whooping on the world and it would be fun the see the Ryans pull out a 45- 1 minute lead on everyone else! Wait...... I already seen RV do that at Budds Creek a couple years back!
RV had the open track because he took advantage early and took off. I think he felt if he made a mistake on the first or 2nd lap, he would have time to make it up. So he got out front early. Dungey started in front of RV in both motos. Dungey waiting for a mistake cost him dearly at Unadilla. And I dont think Dungey would have been running down RV this past weekend. RV's lap times were the fastest, so Dungey would not have caught him. Next race, who knows, but not this one.
@Carlsbad, someone on another post called Mike a Nazi, because he is German, I like that one--Nazi Mike... Check out his hate on the USA wins Juniors post.
Dungey is the number one rider until proven otherwise. A) current mx champ and contender. B) current mx of nations champ and leader of usa team. C) previous sx champ and runner up this yr. Villopoto is very capable and would be a fine choice but not choosing Dungey is rude disrespectful to current champ, hes earned the right to be number one man. Also he rode for USA when others didn't care to. I'm a Reed fan so my opinion is based on what I believe is fair.
@ jeff,, I somewhat agree with you, but you are making a little mistake.. You can't look in the past. You must look at the present.. Present = RV, for MX1.
Jeff we always pic our team by what they did THIS YEAR not last year. If it was done your way Short would be going again right?? If RV wins the outdoor title it would be a BIG SLAP in the face if he is not the MX1 guy IMO. If RD wins the outdoor title fine but if RV wins it he should be the #1 guy.
IMO Bagget gets the #1 RV the 2 (of course) and the "team captain RD" gets the 3. Or does BB have to run the 2 for MX2?
@ bd200, I let his steaming pile of rhetoric get to me again. All the end-of-year activities and championship wrap-ups have him feeling a little left out. I don't know why, his country has an awesome guy in Roczen. When the boys from Brazil can clone him, "Angry" Mike will have a MXdN team worthy of a shot at the Chamberlain trophy, until then, he'll have to busy himself with all the winning Roczen will be doing individually.
While Angry / Nazi / Foreign Mike is a tool sometimes, I blame myself for getting caught-up & dropping to his level. Frustrating to hear, though................kinda like Matthes with all the Canada stuff...........j/k
RV2 put it together at Dilla , I was there and saw it.
Note; RD1 is the rider I would like to win the title however:
RD1 had poor line choice in the back section going up the stair case and the turn before the uphill leading to srew u. What was interesting to me is in the first moto when RV and RD had a clear track RV did not gap RD at all it stayed more or less the same. Also RD1 looked almost rusty to me in the way he was riding, off day I guess, to bad because that might be the title. RV2 needs to win three of the 6 motos left and I believe the title will be his. RD1 has to learn how to pass early, that was the difference that gave the win in RV1.
Regarding JB17, I have mixed feelings. He is out their racing for a living. But I also feel that the top riders who get to that position in their careers understand that unnessary risks that would not really benefit JB17 and only put RD1 in jepoardy is
a no no . MC, Reed , RD, RV, I believe to their best to make clean passes and not put their peers in intentional harms way. Like some unwritten rule between them. JB17 can let it rip but he should understand that you dont almost take out for whatever reason one of the two guys going for the title. And yes RD1 should have passed him sooner and he did not.
RD if he had not have that DNF would be ahead on points. However the points tightend up and had a chance to be up on RV2 and he did not close the deal. Our group was let know in RD1 performance. I and getting a little tired of routing for RD1 when he just does not win and put this thing away.
Its racing and anything can happen but RD1 will have a uphill fight on his hands now. That is not new been uphill for him all season,
lets see if JB17 interacts with RV2 at Southwick. Also Metcalf did really well last year in Moto 1. Also Reed like this track.
The Moto Gods may have to get involved for RD1 to keep the title.
stats for RV and RD
won MXon 3 2
ama mx wins 21 17
ama sx wins 27 20
total 51 39
any questions on who should be #1 ?? and who has repesented us best ?
They are both awesome but i did a little research and was suprised
wasn't this about lap times? Moto 1 RV and RD over 4 seconds faster than 4th place!!!! Wow!
@ david langford In your research did you notice that RD was the overall winner both years at the MXon? Not sure but I don't think RV was overall winner on any of the times he raced in it. RD is the defending Overall champion for the last two years it would be hard to not give him the #1 plate. Unadilla is one race and the two before it RD was better than RV and this week RV was clearly better than RD. We will just have to wait to see who wins the title. Seven points with six motos left is not a commanding lead, anything can and will happen.
RV was on it at Dilla. If he keeps that up he will be tough to beat with only a few rounds left. I think Dungey will strike back at Southwick then RV will take Steel City and Pala.
I don't care who runs the #1 plate at MXDN. Both deserve it. I just hope Baggett can get a good start and not crash twice per moto at MXDN. He's the wild card.
Sherpa, RV went 3-2 in 06, in 07 1-1, in 08 he got taken out and went from 35th to 10th in 1st race and 1 in second. all on 250's against the 450's
In 09 RD went 3-1 and in 10 he went 1-1
all 5 years both of these guys scores were needed to win, Its so awesome they will both be there this year, it doesnt matter who is captain they are both top sports men and hopefully at the top of their game for the next 8 years or so
I really hope there isn't too much grief from the riders regarding who gets the #1 and MX1 class. They'll go 1-2 when together so just go out and smoke 'em all. If anything Dungey should run it since he was the top rider last year. I want to see them go across the line with their arms raised together like RJ and Bailey in 1986.
I gotta say to those saying that you don't look in the past considering the #'s for MXoN. Isn't that why Dungey has the #1 in MX this year?......because of what he did LAST year? Odd how that works........
BillC, I believe that you are incorrect about one of the Ryan's will have to use number3. David Baily, Rick Johnson and Jonny O. David was #1' Johnson #2 O show#3. Ward, Johnson and Hannah. Ward #1 Johnson #2 and Hannah #3. So RD1, RV2 and Bagget 3 No brainer to me.
last year Canard ran #2 on a 250, Short was #3, so apparently BillC was right.
So B-KR then Short Should go and not RV right?? because you want to pick based on what they did Last year right?? ......odd how that works....You don't think it would be a big slap in the face of RV if he wins the outdoor title to not get to run the MX1 class??no question to me if he wins that too he has to get it...Or maybe we send Short because he did it last year.
.or 250/125 guy has run the #2 a far back as I can remember, Will need to look up the ones you pointed out. That would seem odd cuz it seems its that way every year.
please,please,please
who ever is the 2011 outdoor champ will be mx1..............not last years champ this year 2011..........................
lol :-)
Still worried about who has the #1? Come on. Give up the pointless arguing over number plates, guys. It's petty. Like other meaningless conversations here, the better man won't care what number is on his bike.
Riders #1, #2 and #3 will just go out and 'rip-it' for Team USA , win it all and shut-up the haters who don't believe in the USA's ability to show the world, once again, how to ride Motocross.
KG the #1 means somethingh to the people paying the bills and i am sure that RD and RV would both like to be looked at as the "man" so i think you are down playing it a bit.
Somebody please give Brayton and Shorty 0H 12 Kaw's with the bars and pegs adjusted to a*s kick mode. These two are trying hard!!!!
Man, I disagree you. Too much hubris in a number choice if you ask me.
If any one of those 3 guys made a point about 'deserving' the #1, they would come off as really arrogant and catch a buncha' sh!t from everybody. The guys will do it the right way..., by taking whatever DeCOSTER gives them and then going over there and just RIPPING-IT!
RC raced most of his Pro Career without the #1 and no one ever questioned whether or not he was THE MAN. You can split hairs and say ,"Well that was SX and MX, not MXoN." So what.
Maybe in private the bill-payers are sniveling over number choices but publicly, they're just stoked that their guys are going across the pond to put on another Motocross Clinic. That's really all that matters. The record books won't be too concerned with bike numbers. The USA winning it's 22nd MXoN... that's what the bill-payers want.
RV2 has used #2 very successfully throughout his career now and several times at MXoN. Everybody recognizes the #2 Kawie immediately as VILLOPOTO. RV2 (with the #2) destroyed the competition a few years back (on a 250 no less), and everybody knew who was THE MAN that year.
From last year's MXoN and this season's SX/MX series everybody knows the Yellow #1 Suzuki to be DUNGEY. BAGGETT is the only new wild card Team Rider but I think the world will know who the Green #3 is real soon if they don't already know who he is...
I'd rather be the guy with the #2 or #3 ...and smoke everybody...
That guy will be THE MAN.
I'd lay odds on RD1 wearing #1, RV2 wearing #2 and BB57 with the #3.
Let it go.
For MXoN doesnt the # 1 ride in a tougher class and go last ? I think to me its more important for DeCoster to decide who he wants riding when than pecking order of what # is on their bike. I'm not sure but I think thats the way it works
The #1 guy races moto 1 and moto 3
.the #2 guy races moto #1 and moto#2
.the #3 guy races moto #2 and moto #3
.the #2 has been on our 125/250 bike for as long as i can reameber so RV nor RD will be running the #2.
Apparently we have an expert on the subject in 'BillC'. For the rest of us non-experts [like me], I guess we'll just have to wait on 'pins and needles' to see if Roger holds with this supposed 'tradition' or mixes it up the way he sees fit to distribute the numbers. I'm sure if BillC is right, we'll get a big "I told you so" in September. (Does it really matter? Moving on...).
Don't be a dick Kg, All I said is what has been the way it is done. Why so Pissy? So many of you "guys" on here are VERY sensitive...to the point of it being freaky!!
Thanks Bill, I bet r DeCoster is more worried about who he wants riding in which race than who gets the #1 or 2, he will probably look at the strong points of aech rider and do the best for us all, can't wait !!
Come on BillC..., I'm not being a "you"!? No one can pull off the weekly train-off-the-tracks soliloquies you manage to spew out. No one! Calm the f*ck down and stop p!ssing all over yourself and everyone else when one of your "So it shall be written, so it shall be done" mantras is interrupted.
Never said I was quoting the AMA rulebook, reading the bylaws of the MXoN or pretending to know what DeCoster was planning to do either.
Are you so hostile and bent out of shape by my post [that simply said I disagree with you] that you can't respond like a semi-intelligent adult? Instead you gotta use the word 'dick' in your response? Just because someone has a differing opinion from your self-appointed, expertise know-it-all-ness? That's the way a child-like-mind responds. You're kinda' pathetic in that regard and I'm not the first to notice it either.
Most of the time it's pretty funny reading the often unbelievable sh!t you come up with..., until you get defensive & twitchy..., like now.
Go have a Mai-tai..., it suits you.
Hey BillC,
The Horse is dead. Put down the baseball bat.
How funny, david langford says thanks for the info but YOU seem to think I am a nut...OH well if you take my post's as "So it shall be written, so it shall be done" thats YOUR problem not mine. And I was NOT hostile with your post that disagreeed with mine, All I did was say what had been done a 100x's in the past. YOU seemed to have issues with that because YOU came at me with your smart ass "Apparently we have an expert on the subject in 'BillC" so i would say you are the one who has issues the someone disagreeing with you. Go read read it, Yes I called you a dick(because your were acting like one) but YOU started the insults not me. Then in your next post again trying to berate me wile telling me i am not acting like an adult....... Really go reread how it unfolded.
BillC, BillC, BillC..., 100x MXoN races...? Really...? Now you've expanded your range to include smart Ass AND d!ck? Still prone to your usual exaggerations and continued juvenile, child-like responses?
Com-on..., be an adult and agree to disagree. Had you done that initially we could be having some fun here... but you digress, right? Thank you for proving yourself to be the same, over and over and over and over...
I see the coonection you made between Villo and the Kenyan usurper's political message from a few years back, nice pun. Villo and Dungey are only 1/2 sec different in both motos' fast times and traded fastest laps, I don't think this ices the cake for Villo.
it was 2sec in moto jairtime.
KG .... WOW... If you go back and read I answered david langford's question(whitch he thanked me for), then the Very next post is from YOU berateing me, So I think you are way to sensitive and or so self centered that you think everything is directed tord You. You keep telling me to act like an adult but some how you are unable to comprehend that you are know dif than i in this coversation.
.EX:I'm not being a "you"!? No one can pull off the weekly train-off-the-tracks soliloquies you manage to spew out. No one! Calm the f*ck down and stop p!ssing all over yourself and everyone else when one of your."So it shall be written, so it shall be done" mantras is interrupted.... .....Sound like something an undercontrol adult would say now don't it??
Hey BillC,
Good thing you're one person defender [D. Langford] has your back. WOW, what an Army of solidarity you have there. Sheer awesomeness!
Guess I'm the one who needs to give you a review of our 'chat' since you seem to be having so much trouble remembering (or is it re-reading?) the key points that were made -and 'how they unfolded' in the conversation, as you put it.
This whole topic of 'who runs #1' was pretty lame from the beginning.., that was my first comment. I stated that no one can argue we're well represented at this year's MXoN and the #'s issue seemed insignificant overall..., in my opinion.
You disagreed with my 'opinion' about the #'s topic and then offered up how you knew the bill-payers thoughts on the subject. I disagreed with you and offered my reasons why..., remember? Your next reply in this dialogue included, in your words:
"the #2 has been on our 125/250 bike for as long as i can reameber so RV nor RD will be running the #2". Well written stuff, BillC.
Sounds like you were quite certain..., proclaiming to have all the facts there. Maybe you do and maybe you don't. It's a subjective and open for discussion kind of statement, BillC. That's all I was inferring and questioning.
However, that kind of disagreement was apparently too strong for you. When I then 'jokingly' referred to you as an expert (and lets face it, you do portray yourself that way often) it was a tiny bit of sarcasm, BillC. Thats all. It was meant to be a little fun in the conversation.
I shot back nothing blatantly condemning..., no calling you an @ss or a d!ck [like you gravitate to so easily in these blog conversations], just some very mild sarcasm....,until you started dropping your bombs. Yeah, at that point it seemed that following your 'lead' was the only way to possibly get through to you. If that's the way you want to go, I can drop down to that level of dialogue and play along anytime.
Although, if you could manage to toughen your tender heart up some and also use your brain just enough to keep the level of conversation up a bit higher [instead of acting like you're 10 words away from wanting to get in a fist-fight], this stuff might actually be mildly entertaining for others to read.
Oh, well. Gotta go and put food on the table. I'll check back in about 10 hours and see what kind of a ridiculous reply you counter with this time. I'm sure it will be classically predictable 'BillC speak'..., like no one else can do.
Have yourself a nice day, little man and stop taking yourself and your opinions so seriously..., you're ruining all the fun I was having with you.
Its Motocross, not brain surgery.
No..., wait. I've changed my mind. Keep it up. Leave the hook in your mouth. It's hilarious reading how bent out of shape you get over so little.
Cheers!
Billc
After reading your reply I will say you are correct that the number system last year and the year before the MX2 rider used #2. I am not saying that they did not do that. What I am saying there is no rule for number use, there for the riders could use the numbers 1,2 and 3 as they wish. All I care about is that USA wins this thing again.
KG thats the real funny part...That you think I am pissed.... I have so much fun on this site with people like you..( you know the kind...They think there better then you type) Its almost a crime I have so much fun. The way you talk down to me and others really cracks me up.
.As for you saying "When I then 'jokingly' referred to you as an expert"... I would have taken that as jokeing around if you did not add this "I'm sure if BillC is right, we'll get a big "I told you so" in September" Sure does not sould like joking around now does it??
.Another fun thing about people like you is how you say "your done, or moving on" then post about it 5 more times........Thats when I know I got ya!! LMAO!!!
MIT12, Your right I would bet, There is no rule most likely but it seems all the team do it that way. Also I am with you I don't care if they use letters and long as we win it!!....Corse RV should get "A"....Right?? LOL
Calming the kids down before bedtime.
BillC; I appreciate your insight, even when I do not agree with your position.
People speak from their knowledge and their beliefs. I am clear which of these you are coming from when you post and you are a valued contributor to this forum.
Although I am breaking one of my cardinal sins now, I would advise all of us to simply use our "powers to ignore" the posters of inanity and idiocy, and not reply, ridicule, or engage with people who are clearly on another level of thinking.
I know this may infringe on your having fun with the sparring, but it would raise the average level of discourse on this blog.
Also, seeing a rank rookie (Bogle) run with the talent, and Barcia a real competitor in the mx class, lifts my heart with anticipation of yet another fantastic 2012 SX and MX.
Finally, The numbers run by USA (traditionally #1 to our mx1 rider, #2 to our mx2 rider, and #3 to our mx3 rider) matter not one iota. I wish all of our riders bon chance at MXoN and salute the former champions who have made us all so proud of our country and our sport.
Let the Racing Begin.
T payne.... Thank you very much, I love this sport and will till the day I die, There is none that come close.
Unexpectedly perfect response, BillC. You're a gift that keeps on giving. More!
oooops almost forgot to check in, Did not want to ruan your day...And don't look now but my Army is growing!!! LOL and what with the short post?? Most are very long. You tired?? LOL
Just keepin' it real. Actually 'tired' is accurate. Tight working schedule yesterday & today. But what's up...? Your off your subject lately!? Your last couple of posts have nothing from you about the MXoN #'s 'debate'. Just you (still) railing on me 'cause you thought my original couple of mildly sarcastic remarks were too much for you and/or mean spirited.
Thought I (re)explained myself pretty well in the last l-o-n-g post of mine. Also, I noticed several of your 'Army' are now in disagreement with you and saying your theory about this #'s deal is inaccurate. I'm sticking with it being THE MAN's call, however he sees fit to distribute the #1, #2 and #3, as I originally alluded to and you took exception to...
Since they seem to agree with me that there is no absolute hard & fast rule about the subject, What are your thoughts on the silly season? Could be several riders switching teams, moving up or down the food chain of factory or Privateer Rides or possibly loosing their ride altogether and 'looking' for something new for 2012? Always fun..., gotta' run. Check back in tonight.
The #'s are out, The #2 will be on the 250F bike, Just like all the other teams like always.
.the silly season i think RD will be KTM...I really hope so too. Think it would be cool.
.JS...Who knows...To many storys... Would love to see him on a Suzuki somehow.
.Cust be back in a min
Oh yeah...As for the #'s I NEVER said it was set in stone, All I said is thats the way it has been done for a long time.
. back to the silly season. I think Short might be moveing down the food chain. He was at Factory honda for a long time and never delivered and did worse this year so I could see him on a smaller team. The 800... has shown flases but... Then there is the Hodna rumor there and the team 22 rumor aswell..... Grant.... another one who has yet to deliver..has he finished a whole series in the last 4 years?? Is Reed's head in a bad place now?? he sure sounded and rode like it last week... If that hunts him will he hang it up? Or make that one last run at a SX title....On a KTM maybe!! along side RD?? hmmmmmmm My head is spinning and I type slow so i will stop now LOL..What do u think?
Agreed about Short he may be gone from KTM. Crappy luck for him this week. Guy can't get a good break (Sorry Shorty) can he. Both Arms..., d@mn!
I think MA800 might be on thin Ice with the Austrian Factory too. Is Grant gone from Honda? Like you said, not much in the results column for JG33 in a too many of the last few SX & MX seasons. Up-hill climb for him mentally and physically...?
IS RD1 firm for KTM in 2012? Roczen's coming here so I imagine that team will be tough in both classes in '12.
JS7 over to Suzuki in 2012? That would be really interesting. Wish he would loose the SX only contract and focus on both Series next year. Would be really great for the sport, wouldn't it?
REEDY admittedly got spooked from his hi-flying act. Man, that could have been so much worse but I can Imagine it got in his head some. Hope CR22's back to his old self (pre-crash) as it will help make the last three Outdoor rounds that much better. Team Two-Two again is my guess..., with more under-the-radar Factory support from Big RED?
Have a feeling BT20 will be gone from Pro Circuit. Even though he squeaked out the SX West title this year, he's not been seen much this outdoor season and with the other 3 guys killin' it weekly, I say he unfortunately will get his walking papers from Mitch in a few weeks.
Think DD37 (Darryn Durham) or KC35 Kyle Cunningham could be under a Factory Canopy at Anaheim? They've both shown very strong this year outdoors.
All I can squeeze in right now. Not lightning fast on the keyboard either, especially with a recently broken finger getting in the way... LOL. Out the door.
I only use one finger!!! LOL I hope Darryn Durham and cunningham gat a shot!! I am Thinking one if not both will be on PC bikes next year. JS has said he wants to do the nats and is working on it, I hope that is the truth. I too hope Reed finds himself again even though its to late unless both RD and Rv have some bad luck.
.Going home been a LONG week. not much sleep all week need to get some tonight. Will be back in the AM, working till noon tomorrow then taking dad to get his B-Day gift (big gun safe) then a 68mi bike ride on Sunday morning.....Oh yeah gota moe the dang lawn at some point too :(
Maybe REED can hire a hypnotist and have the memory of his big get-off wiped from his brain...?!
What about the Troy Lee Designs Riders (Baker, Craig, Seely)? Those guys are having some good Motos Outdoors aren't they? I suppose next to Pro Circuit, TLD is probably the next best Non Factory operation out there so if your not moving 'up' then it's a pretty good place to be. Wonder if Ben Townley will get back over here...? Thought He was doing well last year, then he had some tough breaks later in the season...
'Nice' on taking your Dad out for his B-day gift. Very nice. So important to appreciate parents, if you had good ones, and spend the time isn't it? They're here and gone too fast..., the older we get. Lost my Father a little over two decades ago (I was 19) and my Mother and her Husband (of almost 20 years) a year ago at the end of the month. Ah Sh!t, man..., sorry for being a downer. Hey, have a great day with your Dad. I'm a little envious, but in a good way. Just wish my Dad could have been here long enough to have know my wife & kids. At least my Mom had that.
Whoa, 68 mi. on Sunday!? Is that a Road Bike loop (bicycle..., ah la Lance Armstrong?) training run, or just out to enjoy the scenery? Either way, sounds like a really great way to spend part of a Sunday. Nice.
A week off from TV Moto-coverage means work around here (does it ever stop?). Yeah, I'd say my lawn needs some attention too. The kids were out kicking the soccer ball around today and I could see the grass actually slowing down the ball. LOL... And then there's an unfinished project or two in the garage..., you know how it is. Always something here that needs fixing, building or re-building.
I think I've figured out that you and I might actually be able to agree/disagree and still have a decent Moto conversation... Provided I don't get too smart-@ss-like about things 'cause it sounds like you are as passionate about MX as I am. Okay wait, stop right there. Let's not get into an argument over who's more passionate about Motocross... (just jabbin' at you some). Have a good one, BillC. You're okay. Shout at ya again soon I'm sure.
Glad we can get along, I know i come across the wrong way sometimes. Its not on purpos its just the way I word things I guess, Just blert it out!! LOL. The passion runs very deep here about MotoCross thats for sure.
.Reed may need something. I will be at Southwick maybe i can give him a pep talk!! LOL
.Yes the TLD team is good, I expected more out of Seely though. I don't know if the the #2 team that might be the factory conection team NO? I always liked BT also but you are right he had some BAD luck last year for sure.
.Very sorry to hear about you dad ...and mom. I know I am VERY luck to still have them both.(don't feel like a downer...I feel for ya) The older I get the more I see that. Sometimes you need to stop the madness to make time to go see them. Its so hard because i work so much and have so much going on..... Looks like we are close to the same age too...You just spell better!! LOL
.Yup 68 miles on the road bike, I just started pedaling again about 3 months ago, use to ride a lot for traing when I was raceing MX, Then got into MTN bike raceing after MX but them built a house and then moved my shop into a much bigger building so I had no time anymore but finaly getting back to it.
gona moe the grass after i get out of here then off with dad But like ya said alway something to do around the house.
.Pretty sure I am more passionate ;-)...Wana bet??LOL.... Your a good egg too and if you see me getting out of line let me know I will try to tail it back a notch. I get along with a few guys on here now even though I started out fighting with them too but we learned to know each other and now its better. have a great weekend..Well as good as it can be without MX!! Can't wait till next weekend I will be riding the street bike to Southwick with my Bro and a good friend or 2. We all road up to Unadila last weekend. Got up at 5m rode 200mi watched the race and rode home half way in the rain got home at 10:45 pm...WET....LONG DAY!! But would do it agin in a heart beat...and will next year :)