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PrintIf we only had two words, rather than 450, to sum up what happened at Unadilla on Saturday, this report would simply say “New bike.” Monster Energy Kawasaki's Ryan Villopoto showed up in New York on a 2012, rather than the '11 model that has carried him to the points lead in the 2011 Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship. RV was fast on the old platform—he already won the AMA Supercross title—but he had only one race win to show for it. But at ’Dilla, with the new equipment Jeff Emig has been touting for weeks in those Kawasaki commercials, Villopoto looked like a different rider out there. He was smoother, faster, and seemed very in tune with his new ride (and so was his teammate Jake Weimer, for that matter).
Villopoto dominated the field at Unadilla, going 1-1 for the overall.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
This new bike spells trouble for RV's rivals Ryan Dungey and Chad Reed. While the defending champ, Dungey, was also going fast at Unadilla, he was really no match for Villopoto (and he was getting all the roost he could handle from class interloper Justin Barcia). And Reed has not been the same since he landed in Spring Creek, having now missed the podium in five straight motos since winning the opening stanza that fateful day in Minnesota. It's not too late for the veteran Australian to recover what he's lost, but it's looking more and more like this championship will be decided between #1 and #2.
Which leads us to another battle brewing between the two Ryans. Team USA's Roger DeCoster is the enviable position of having two very fast 450 riders for the race in September, and a strong case could be made for either to be the MX1 entrant and thus wear the prestigious #1 plate. RV and his team have made no secret that they feel they deserve it, given his earlier SX championship and the fact that he's now seven points ahead in this title chase. Dungey's team could argue that he's the defending MXoN individual champion over the last two years and a proven team leader. Add it up and it spells trouble in every language for the rest of the world, because one of these two American heroes is going to go to France with something additional to prove.
Dungey now trails Villopoto by seven points heading into Southwick.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
And finally, Justin Barcia. Racer X has received a couple of emails from fans who voiced their displeasure at his joining the 450 class at this late stage and inserting himself into the championship by battling with Dungey (who made no secret of his displeasure with Barcia's aggressiveness) and beating Reed. But didn't Dungey jump up into the AMA Supercross class a few years back while riding 250Fs and end up on the podium? And didn't Reed race the first few AMA Supercross rounds of the tour in 2002 before dropping back down to a 250F? No one wants to see Bam Bam get tangled up with a title contender, but it's his right and his team's right to participate and put forth their best effort in whichever class they choose for outdoors—and for Unadilla, they chose well.
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we got treated to a great racem good for justin, if it wasnt for lappers he mighta went 2-2. dungey is just frustrated but no reason to call justin out, dungey got away unscathed and justin ate sh*t for making a poor decision, boom. move on, these guys better watch out for 17 at 338
Typical kawasucki move to cheat and bring out the 12 model while everyone else stayed with what they started with.
Dungey & Bagget need to stop whining!!! Get up there & earn it - no-one is going to pull over for you - just ask Tomac!
Whatever, how is that a kawasaki move? every team has done it at one point. The bike has been released to the public so therefore it can be raced.
LOL poor, poor Dungey.
Nice job Bam Bam. made this an interesting race.
One littttttle mistake cost #17 2nd. Could've easily gone the other way. I was gaining a little respect for Dungey til his whining about Barcia, people get hurt and need replaced. It just so happened he was better than you on the day and you want to bit## about it?...You need a new career.
@jimmy Dungey and Reed could probably go buy a Kawasaki 450 if they really wanted to. It's not Villopoto and Weimer's fault the bike they ride got released earlier, also Couldn't Chad ride the 2012 Honda? Couldn't Short and Alessi ride the 2012 KTMs? I don't exactly know the rules about it but they probably could them.
It appeared to me that Justin was blocking and brake checking...thats not racing...Dungey was clearly faster but struggled to make a pass, and passing is something he really needs to work on if he wants to win this title... RV made all the right moves early, but I didn't think he looked smooth at all until he had a big lead...RV should buy Barcia dinner for this one.
Knowing the #1 plate will be his for all of 2012, I suspect RV will be gracious and keep his regular #2 for the MxdN, and throw Dungey a bone by letting him run the #1 plate one last time.
Wish Canard was still out there too. Dungey probably would've hung himself off the podium, just to get on it.
@Jimmy-Get a clue chief.
I don't think Dungey or Baggett were really that pissed about Barcia and Bogle contending for the lead. They seem to be pissed off about the agressiveness and potentially dangerous moves in trying to maintain their posistion and I actually agree with them. It Wouldn't have good for anyone if Barcia was to have taken out Dungey trying to maintain a position that in the big picture doesn't mean shit!
i say let bam-bam compete on any class he want's too, dungey should be ashamed for being mad at him for joining the 450's. And i like dungey!
You race to win, period.
RD one will be #1 the other will get #3, The 250F guy uses #2
Jimmy = TOOL
Barcia's like me. The 250f is too slow. He likes the 450. Ryan Cryin' for nothin'. In motocross, anybody can line up & race! You dont like eating roost? Pass him!
Barcia was racing point blank. He is battling for a 2nd place overall...it is not like he was a lapper. What about his carrer or bonuses...they are just as important to him as Dungey. Guys in the chamionship always want people to get out of there way...Then RV2 would complain the Bam Bam let Dungey bye.
Dungey has reason to take a slight exception to Barcia - the two of them very nearly had a ridiculous wreck on that downhill. As it turned out, RD didn't go down, so no harm, no foul.
Baggett, on the other hand, needs to man up. If i were Bogle, I'd be a "Baggett-seeking missle" from now on. "He thinks I was interfering with him because of THAT? Wait until Southwick!"
Didn't RD land on bambam? Just saying
For all those whining about Barcia jumping up to big bikes, how about kick everyone over 23 off the little bikes. like they do for the MXdN
@BillC Tool?????
This IS called the silly season for a reason! I enjoy the comments!!!!
Surprized..Honda didnt Say "let Chad bye"...on the JB17 pit board.. We seen has has the speed,but You'd think Honda Corp.wants the Title..Although I agree personally, wer'e there to Win,,or Podium..
@ jimmy,, you dont know what that means ???? hahahahah.. You are "TOOL". hahaha
@ 2R's,, If that were the case, JB would have had to pull over and take a coffe break to let Reed catch up.. He was a mile in front of Reed.
Dungey almost never says anything negative about anyone. And while I like Barcia and he was riding well, he doesn't have any stake in this 450 series so he should have not endangered the outcome. Everyone in this forum would have been pissing and moaning if a lapper had gotten in the way. What if he had taken Dungey out by doing something stupid or crazy? If these guys are going to jump up a class in the middle of a serious title chase, they should have the common decency to not get in the way.
@Jimmy.I guess your THAT GUY today.Running you head with not a clue.
PS: note to Jimmey try reading it might help you ? go read the AMA rules if you can read the big words there is one that starts whith an "H" then go look it up! good luck kid!!!
Props to Barcia for going all out. Other than the mistake on the last lap, he did nothing wrong or dirty in my opinion. If Dungey can't pass him that's Dungey's problem. All those races where Villopoto was struggling, Dungey never complained about riders not letting Villopoto by so the #2 could have a clear track to catch him.
Advice for Baggett and Dungey. Pass them or stuff them if you need to but don't cry after the race that some rookie got in your way. Bob Hannah and Kent Howerton must get quite a chuckle listening to this mx generation.
Any racer that is willing to get out of someones way when they are capable of staying in front of them just to be polite and "do the right thing" is never gonna be a champion and doesnt deserve to be on the track. Barcia was running the lead pace and did nothing wrong. And like already mentioned, I bet the bonus Honda gives is probably much better for a second than third overall. Quit whining "Cryin" Ryan Dungey!
You guys are correct, guess I am a tool. Ha Ha
Just can"t stand Kawasaki doing all the winning!
I didnt see Barcia brake check Dungey or anything...Last lap deal was Barcia fighting for second overall in his first race.....Dungey should have passed him long before then...so Barcia said, fine you dont want it...I'll take it.....and there you have it....No need for Dungey to whine.....its racing dude and I didnt see any dirty riding...just Barcia doing his thing..... I am willing to bet that if Reed was anywhere near the front or running close to Barcia in either moto, we may have, just maybe would have seen the " let Reed by" message come out....but RV was almost a full minute ahead of Reed and RD and Barcia were about 45-50 seconds ahead of Reed in moto 1....I dont think any rider is going to stop and wait ....Moto 2, Reed was lucky he got to 6...his buddy Metcalf took himself and Weimer out....
Hey I dont like cowies either never raced one never bought one , but they did make some good bikes?? My rival shop where i worked at was a cowi shop so I put a sign up in the sevice dept that said " if you want it done wrong , take it to the other shop" Oh boy did that make the people talk!!!
WHERE do some of you learn to spell? nowhere it seems.
Dungey was ahead of Villopoto in both motos at the start.....4 laps later RV was gone and Dungey was playing with Weimer and Alessi and finally caught up to Barcia.....Dungey also lost alot of time following slower lappers into lines when he should have stayed on Barcias tale....I think Dungey made more mistakes than Barcia.....Barcia went off the track, followed the rules, hopped back on the track and unfirtunately made a mistake that did nothing to Dungey in the end....If Dungey crashed, maybe he could piss and moan....but Barcia took the hit......
barcia held dungey off until less than 1 lap to go - they were both going for it big time - i saw it - no dirty riding
@someguy "It just so happens he (Barcia) was better than you" didn't Dungey close a 10 second gap and pass Barcia in moto one? Better? And pass him in Moto 2? get real Don't be surprized if Barcia doesn't do as well as third when not on his home track. Not taking anything away for Barcia for he is an excellent rider and rode a very good race but would hate to see him take either RV or RD out because of a littttttle mistake.
I know spell check it is just the arthriis in my hands, My mind can still typ e fasther than may fingers lol
rv2 was tearing it up
barcia is the new hannah - feet off the pegs and hitting the rev limiter - fun to watch - not like the suzuki robot
yes next is the Wick and only Kiethsburg ILL is more brutal , Ask Hannah?
i think he would have went 2-2 but got screwed by lappers twice - that is racing
@DC
Of course its Barcia's right to compete on a 450. No need to justify that. I think more than anything it is the way that Justin rides that's striking a nerve. I bet even the title contenders will tell you the more the merrier as long as its a straight race. But as soon as they see some kid sketched out everywhere making mistakes, blocking, running on and off the track, and jumping into another racer in the air then the welcome wagon is leaving and Dungey is first in line to drive the bus over him.
Not difficult to see this coming. Barcia did the same in the 250s. They should put flashing lights and sirens on his bike so everyone knows to take a wide line (far out enough he can't slam you).
Sold bikes for 17 years. If you ask me which brand is best, pick a color their all good reliable bikes nowadays. Sold Kawi in 99 when they had financial problems due to letting their inventory get out date. I asked the sales rep what's up? He said something big is coming, the zx11. They put all their money into this program and that year speed limit was limited to 187 meaning no bike can exceed 187 mph of showroom floor. Last laugh was on Kaw cause Suz Hyabusa was already there and kept the fastest production bike name. Only one rider out of forty rode a Kaw in mx that year and he was factory. Kawasaki all through the years wanted to be the baddest out there and all that time and money to build that bike which was only 3% of the market was idiotic. It wouldn't have been so bad but thats all we sold was Kawi.
Dowdy needs to do good at 338 to keep his number. Maybe he should get one of those 2012s.
Rd didn't say once that Barcia shouldn't be out there. He was mad at the way he rode. Yeah I changed my mind I like RD now. Dc... you shit stirrer.
Since when does "racing" equal "lose on purpose and move over for anybody who wants to finish one position higher?"
What's up with these pussies? Don't they race pro motocross? Damn, they're soft-asses. In the '70s it was like a knife fight out there.
Its fairly obvious villopoto won because of the new 4 way adjustable bar clamps on the 2012
Isn't the point of motocross to beat everyone you can in your race? i would be mad if a rider that i was battling with pulled over regardless of his participation in the series. If we don't race to win anymore then what's the point? Also, the kawi didn't win the race... ryan villopoto did.
there's no telling if Rd would have caught up to RV. I think Unadilla was a tricky track and doesnt give a clear indication of true speed. You Southwick Chad, Metcalfe and Dungey are gonna be fast
Not4show...RD landed on JB cause JB jumped into RD's line..aka blocking.
Mike...Dungey does have a problem passing...But a guy like Barcia forces aggressive chance taking that might take them both out...and Justin's got nothing to lose.
Big Hoop...Blockin's not racin....Barcia even took himself out jumpin into RD's line
Villo-Moto...Dungey did make alot of mistakes...looked like rear tire choice was one of the biggest...But Justin jumping into his line could have taken them both out...what if Dungey went out with a broken leg from that rookie move?
Trend Killer....watch it again bro...Barcia was riding a Honda the width of a mack truck...Dungey"s rear tire was making it impossible to pass out of the fast line
It might be "his right" but his riding is wrong....Well said
blake b has no case thats racing
dung has a case. justin b jumped from right to left and almost got landed on. the rest was just racing. but that jump was a bad move. #5 needs to crank it the 1st 2 laps and he can run with anyone or break them down physically.
I guess I'd be pissed too if someone was riding ragged and jumped from one side of the track to the other and right in my line, which could have ended my season when I was in a really tight title chase.
I don't get it, Dungey gets hated on for being a robot and Mr. Nice Guy, then he shows some anger about dangerous riding (I like Barcia, but that last lap reminded me of JS7) and all of a sudden he's a crybaby.
OK, so he should have gotten around him earlier, but I tend to think that it's almost easier to pass a guy when everyone is bunched up at the beginning of a race than when (like RV did) than to pass a guy when he's got more of an open track and lines to follow. There are a thousand different factors for why RV was able to get around JB early in the moto and RD couldn't. Maybe it was because he couldn't pass him, or maybe JB17 was riding sorta reckless and Dungey didn't want to force him into riding dangerous in order to protect his health (like cornering a wounded animal), etc.
With his adrenaline going and emotions riding high, not too mention the points situation, I think Dungey's reaction was very understandable and I think everyone here would have reacted in a very similar fashion if they were in Dungey's place.
One thing to remember is if JB could stay in second and RV had a problem he could have had a win.I think he was right to go for it,but without blocking or making contact.It did not look like the contact was on purpose.If he had laid down he would be getting ripped for that too.tough spot for a young man.I am a fan of all these guys.
That was a great race. Sucks to See Reed struggle. RD crying about not being able to pass JB was disappointing end to a great race. Bogle killed it and hearing Bagget cry about it was equally as lame. I thought Bagget did a good job getting back to a 2nd overall until he tainted it with his baaaatching. Would rather see JB on the MXDN team anyway. Congrats to Wilson also.
Barcia was running on pure adrenaline this week, Sort of like Eli Tomac at Hangtown last year...For those who think Barcia is going to do the same at Southwick I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I would'nt hold my breath...As for Dungey he looked extremely conservative out there...Nothing against Barcia but if I was Dungey number 17 would have ended up in the cheap seats...
DirtyNinja...Listen to post race interviews again...RD was not crying about not being able to pass JB.. and in fact.. RD gave JB a hats off for riding well...Dungey complained about Justins blocking...more to the point...Barcia's jump into RD's line...moves like that can end careers
Yeah why do some of you turn things around. Tell me when did RD whine about him being there or pulling over for him? He was mad at the way he rode. I just listened to Broc Glover on ESPN radio and he said it all started in practice. RD was on a fast lap and Barcia was just riding around and whipped it in RD face, he said maybe a credit card width from his face and could of been bad then. He said he likes Barcia a lot but he is a little dangerous out there. I think I'll go with his opinion before some of you know it alls.
Thats just Barcia being Barcia, get used to it.
Make the damn pass Dungey.
JD
Why did Barcia say it was a dumb move if he did nothing wrong?
He also said he is getting frustrated with the one line tracks. The tracks are 30 to 50 ft. wide but one line and we see very little passing.
Should Barcia be able to compete for the win or second in the 450 class? YES absolutely. The problem that Dungy had with Barcia was his changing lines over jumps. Any one that has raced knows the hardest person to pass is one that you can not trust to not take you out. RV2, RD1 and CR22 all ride clean and they had some great races this year. Dungy knew he was not going to catch Villopoto so second was limiting his losses for the day. Barcia almost took a second away from him with a stupid and dirty move. Listen to Barcia's comments on Trans World how was your weekend? He says it his self it was stupid.
ohh shit!!! dude christian craigg iss coool butt he sucks
Guys, go back and watch the vid of barcia and Dungy going up the jump face. Barcia was 10' ahead of Dungy and so he wanted to take his line when he landed, Dungy had better drive and caught up in the air. Barcia landed well before dungy and the rest is history. All race dungy did NOT have the drive to pass Barcia, and to Barcia's suprise he did this time. Before the jump Barcia was held up by lappers and then made two small mistakes giving the momentom to RD at that spot. It was a racing incedent and I blame no one,even though Barcia apoligized for it. As most of you know RD needs to step it up and pass much sooner. Many many times during the race Barcia pulled Dungy and RD made as many or more mistakes than Barcia.
This should be a warning to the "big boys" that a serious competeter has arrived and they better improve or get left behind ! I hope TC adds to this and a few more each year. We are having a blast because of it, just look at all these posts !!!
I am a Dungey fan. I think the only thing Barcia did that would be considered reckless was jumping from one side of the track to the other. Isn't that how Steward broke his wrist? I think it was Partridge that he collided with (I may be wrong about that). Other than that, Barcia really surprised me. Dungey just friggen pissed me off. I could not believe he couldn't pass Barcia! Man, I was yelling at the TV. Dungey made a lot of mistakes too. RV didn't waste any time getting to the front. Dungey needs to do the same thing. Make passes early, attack early. Come on Dungey. If you want this thing, fight for it! Be aggressive early. This coming from someone that didn't make past the Regional qualifier in the 50+ class.
i thought it was a great race...RV2 seemed more confident and relaxed on the new bike..JB17 was well JB17 held on for as long as he could and got on the box..RD1 has had trouble making passes all year regardless of who was in front of him,he should have done whatever he needed to do to get to the front period!!!!
Why don't we just line up 40 riders for a national and then when the gate drops everybody not in the top 3 in points turn around and go back to the truck?? That way nobody gets in nobodys way--doesn't block lines,no near take-outs,no rookie mistakes,no excuses!!
"rut ro" said scooby doo
Racers race. And they race to win.
Barcia rode a hell of a race and if Dugey is mad because Barcia came in and cost him some points, oh well? Racers race....doesn't matter if it's the guys first race in the class or he's been doing it for 5 years, racers are there to race. Sh*t happens, work harder during the week, then don't have problems getting around a guy that just jumped up to the 450 class
So! Dungey and Bagget will not race the next round at MX338 ... cause the Honda guys will be ready for the firts practice at 8:50am ... LOL ...
What a bunch of a-holes some of you are. Dungey NEVER said Barcia shouldn't be out there. Although it took him longer than perhaps it should have, Dungey PASSED Barcia in both motos. One thing that may have prolonged the passing was that Barcia had his pick of lines, and if Dungey took the same ones, he would be pelted by the Unadilla rocks (the ones that broke Mike Kiedrowski's hand, and the ones that RC hated). Therefore, Dungey had to constantly take alternate lines. And when he passed him in the second moto (after Barcia cut the track in that left turn), he went straight over that jump, and Barcia jumped across the track and into Dungey. RD was VERY lucky Bam Bam didn't take him down. The replacement rider taking down the championship contender - that would have been just great. So now the same people who have called Dungey an emotionless robot are all over his sh!t because he showed some emotion!
barcia first 450 race and pins it
Fast riders never expect anyone to pull over and let them by. What they do expect is for them to ride their choice of lines and look ahead and they will find a way by them. This changing lines to block and brake checking BS is not racing its foot draggers and wannabes trying to secure a position they could not do any other way except making a better rider fall. When I raced off road I would never put my name on my jesey because when guys did this I would kick them or ram whatever I could to teach them a lesson. Once I passed a guy that really ticked me off and later I waited on top of a hill and rolled a big rock down at him and watched him crash while laughing my buns off. I loved how RV passed Barcia by slicing off his front fender taking that line and owning him. Now all you foot draggers that think racing is blocking someone faster need to learn how to ride or go play some Jacks.
For all of you who think some one should pull over for someone in the points battle...any of these big sponsored pro riders are going to get bonuses for podium finishes from their sponsors, so they ae going to race to win. So with that being said, should we stop a race if it starts to rain because one of the 3 guys in championship race might fall and put heir hopes in the toilet? Give me a break! If you have pro license and you line up you are going to race to win...if there are only 3 guys in the hunt why dont we just get rid of the other 37 riders and let those 3 run for the championship?
If they think there's problems with Barcia, wait a couple years 'till Roczen shows up!
We're not playing tiddly winks out there! - Bob Hannah
If he touches me again, Ill break his leg! - Bob Hannah
450 words should've been about Barcia, no doubt he made a big splash in his first AMA 450 ride.
Barcia is in the best position of any of the 450 riders right now.
He's ''in their heads'' some now with the showing he had at Unadilla, has nothing to loose and everything to gain by repeating what he did Saturday (or even coming close to that) in the last three 450 rounds. Bogle 's probably got a few 250 guys thinking too much as well.
But all this crap about Barcia & Dungey is pretty lame. Barcia went down like RV2 went down a few weeks ago 'cause both times RD1 had the better line and more momentum. Same thing (sort of) with Baggett & Bogle, though nobody hit the dirt. Just close, tough racing..., as it should be.
Would have been great to hear RD1 & BB57 respond post race with, " Hey, we're all just racing out there..., sh!t happens...., next question?"
Anybody realize if JB17 or RD1 had been a bike-length further ahead or behind there would have been no incident at all? You really think either of them planned to land on nearly the same piece of real estate at the very same time?
A couple of weeks back @ Millville had RV2 been next Reed and on the left side heading up that jump, the Kawie Rider could have been mid-air KO'd by REED -or his bike! Reed d@mn near could have actually ended up riding b!tch in mid-air on the back of RD2's Kawie had they launched side-by-side...!
As much time as Barcia has spent during this outdoor season taking soil samples, the last thing he must want is to crash with anybody out there. He's just fast & aggressive and what any Team manager wants in a Factory-backed Rider.
These are just Racing incidents.
Wow, half of you guy's are acting like you've never raced before.
Oh..., wait..., that might be accurate.
It won't be long untill Bubba opps ! I mean Barcia crashes his brains out and is done for the season, I just hope he dosen't take anyone else out when he does.
Jimmy is Gay
I thought Bacia had Mono and a broken wrist?
Must be the Gayness giving him the boost.
Not buying that it was the bike that made the difference this weekend.
What´s your point? Barcia led his first 250 until he ate dirt. The kid is quick outta the blocks, but a few crashes later and he´ll get a bit more respect for where he´s at. Hell, you just gotta look at the goon. Ain´t no one at home there.
Quote:
"Add it up and it spells trouble in every language for the rest of the world, because one of these two American heroes is going to go to France with something additional to prove."
Let´s hope so. It will increase the chances of whoever it is, ending up in the medical centre. LOL.
Yanks are going to get their asses handed to them in France. Wait and see. I mean, who´s this Baguette character who flying the zionist stars and Mexican stripes at the MXON? He´s going to get eated if you ask me. LOL (that probably went over the heads of you ingnorant bums, but try to work it out anyhow) LOL.
SEF154, RV made the pass both moto's with no problem Not bashing RD but look at the passes RV made on JB, VERY Clean and safe. I saw a few lites guys come from WAY back making lots of passes also. Don't blaim the track and the rocks, RD just did not get the job done fast enough.
Dungey can't afford to let Barcia get into his head. We saw what JLaw did to him and he clearly couldn't handle certain aspects of the mental game. They all better watch out for Barcia at Southwick. If you all remember, Barcia went from last to first in that second moto last year. He has the speed and talent to do well there.
Weege, I like your take on the whole thing, nice read!
Go getem' Bam Bam,Dung E's 1 year wonder is over.
Barcia ran the whole race in front of Dungey. Simply AWESOME! Would RD of had a chance of passing RV... considering he couldn't pass Bam-Bam for 30+2 ??
Put it in perspective. RV was on fire.
So impressed with Justin Barcia- Great Job!!
Stop your crying RD, when a guy lines up to race, he races, are far as the points you earn them they are not given. Barcia is the real deal and is one tough guy. He won the East Lites with a broken wrist and was sick with mono during the nationals. He never complains or makes accuses, he's here to stay so get use to it. One other thing, he got personality compared to the two Ryans who when interviewed keep saying the same thing over and over....Blah Blah Blah!
Wow! It must be all the hormones in the food today because if this forum is any indication of the new generation, I've never seen such LITTLE GIRLS in my life!
That Dungey is the biggest Cry Baby I've ever heard. Look at the tape, Barcia is in front of Cry Baby when they go over the crest of the hill. MotoX unwritten rule since the beginning.......whomever is in FRONT can chose any line he wants to! It's up to the guy behind to make a pass! Cry Baby could have put an end to both of their careers with that stupid move of desperation. As far as Barcia screwing up his precious championship, how come NOBODY peeped a word when they let "Crash Master" Canard jump into the 2010 Supercross season a the end???? Cry Baby better get used to it because there is a lot more talent coming up real soon!
Grow up my little girls, this is MotoX racing!
I understand racing to win . But Barcia was not racing to win. He was blocking to maintain second or cause a crash( for Dungey, himself or both). The fans were cheated out of another down to the wire battle between the Ryans. Also, Team Honda's decision to run Barcia hurt Reed the most in the points chase.
Dungey was not whining. He expressed frustration at an incident that could have ended his (and JBs) season, or worse. RD also owned that he needed to make the pass.
Done! No need for further discussion
JB, hmmmm... His name is bam bam for a reason and it is not good. Exciting to watch for sure but he rides the hairy edge and not sure he is making smart decisions. That will ultimately right itself with either maturing or crashes.
Done! stay away from him on the track and make your passes quick
What else is there for folks to complain about? I will solve that for you as well.
So much baggage is brought to these discussions that have nothing to do with the... wait...for ...it...the discussion!
People who understand MX can identify what Barcia is ... and it is obvious that he is a loose cannon. This type of rider exists is the amateurs as well as pros.
Stewie made a career out of being a loose cannon, and Stewie won championships.
Loose cannons are part of the sport. Anyone who knows racing will also make another observation "It's racing." Dungey needs to deal with Barcia and not whine.
Wow Unadilla is the best race of the year look at all the posts. The other side still sucks!
Whats all the hoohaw 17 rides a wide track and 1 can't make an aggressive pass to save his life (Championship), Besides the stupid move in moto2 17 rode well.
Come on Southwick!
@DeeJay... if RD was good enough to battle with RV on that day he should have been able to get around JB.......get it??
Dungey is the Man who earned the right to bear the weight of the number one,RV may be the super-x champion but this is outdoor,old school,Euro,natural terrain Des Nations. Get in line.
I check out 250 / 450 words to get my morning fix and there's Mike, spewing his Anti-American agenda.
Mike, Claim a country, or is it just anybody but America?
You have the right to root for anybody but America, same as we have the right to denounce your pinko, commie bastard, hogshizz comments as just that.
Americans have commented on your posts before, your B.S. is unwelcome.
We're all tired of your nut-shot comments so keep it to yourself.
awesome posts.......Whether Barcia made a mistake or not, I still think Dungey handled it wrong....He was visibly upset on the podium and almost let it out on live TV...but just shook it off and swallowed his pride...but once his mouth opened during the post race interviews , it was over....I think he was more mad at himself ...just like with Jlaw, Barcia is in Dungeys head now and he cant deal it seems
Bottom line is a defending champ should be able to handle "racing". the rookies and welcome the challeng and deal with it...Barcia did not delibratley square him up, cut him off, run him high or take him out....aside from the line crossing on the final lap which Barcia tried to correct in the air, the rest is all on RD...Barcia had the same gap over RV in moto 1....RV caught him and passed him and took off....RD did the same in moto 1 and was able to pass Barcia, however moto 2 Dungey was making mistakes, RV was gone and he couldnt stick with Barcia long enough to make a pass until the "mistake" happened....Barcia didnt do it to take out himself or Dungey...
I just want to see somebody in the big boy class return a little treatment to Barcia, and punt his punk long haired hippy looking ass off the track.
Can they not wait until the MX series is over to decide who wheres the #1 plate at MX des Nation??
It would be interesting to see what the riders think... I am betting RV can give a shit and Dungey will be the one pushing to be #1..... In my opinion, RV has been on the Team USA more times, he has more outdoor titles and more SX titles if you include the lites....so he is the #1 guy overall...and if he wins MX this year, case closed....but i doubt he cares....
I think RD was waitin on JB to crash to get by and when he didnt, RD was PO'ed big time !!!! He sat on his bike for a long time after race with his team all around him...... very PO'ed !!!
@ KG and Trend Killer Well said. Unfortunately your trying to tell it like it is and like its always been to a over sensitive get in touch with your feelings group of people. Like it or not Dungey doesnt have the aggression to force the issue when he has to and that will be his downfall IMO.
MX1 class will be the harder class I would want RV in there. He can come through the pack much better if he has to. Could you Imagine needing a pass to be made on the last lap and have it up to RD? We need RV in there to get it done in the last moto like Stanton and others have done if needed!!
No doubt that RD should have made an aggresive pass on Barcia. He is too kind to his competitiors. Particularly a wet behind the ears 250 rider. Any 250 rider stepping up part time to the 450 class should expect to get punted by the 450 front runners.
RD should be mad at "the man above" if he helps him win he makes him lose right?
@BillC........Got it
@ Billc
Right on man !!!
Obviously there are several factors involved with DUNGEY not dominating the 450 class this year but one thing stands out above all and no one has mentioned it lately: ROGER DeCOSTER's departure from Team SUZUKI last year.
Having 5-time world Champion DeCOSTER as the Brain-Trust, leading the team's decision making in all areas, from the shop to the starting line -simply cannot be replicated. It was a huge void in Suzuki's program entering 2011.
If 'THE MAN' is on the verge of turning things around at KTM, and RD1 switches over to the Austrian bikes in 2012, it will be really interesting to see if He and RD1 (RD5 in '12 ?!) can re-capture the same magic they had before.
If DUNGEY & ROCZEN are together at KTM in '12, that will be a motivating factor for both of them. Does that leave SHORTY & ALESSI looking elsewhere?
RV would have won on the 2011. Just sayin...
read that clement desalle was out for whole 2011 season, to bad, had been fun to see him and RD battle it out one more time on the mxdn... And one more thing, RD should be in the mx1 class because he has been the team captin the last 2 years and have done a exellent job..... just sayin....
Not much else to be said, so I'll echo all the people who seem to know what they're talking about:
Yes, Dungey should've passed Barcia sooner. Moving quickly to the front is not his thing, though, which is why team USA should let RV ride MX1 in France. Without Barcia in the way he may have been able to catch Villopoto, but of course that's only half the battle (or, in Dungey's case, two-thirds).
Metcalfe obviously thought Weimer was going to rail around that corner instead of squaring it off. No biggie.
Yes, Barcia caused the wreck, but he probably wasn't expecting Dungey to be RIGHT THERE, and anyway he got the worst of it.
Dungey still had the right to be upset, though: He was probably frustrated, being unable to pass Barcia, relieved to see him run it through the banners, re-frustrated when Barcia refused to lift and popped back onto the track in front of him, superpumped when he saw that he (Dungey) would at last have the momentum for a pass, and, finally, horrified and having visions of a race/season unfinished because Barcia was moving over to block his line IN MID-AIR, which--and please remember that I'm no expert--probably isn't safe for anyone. All this in the span of maybe 15 seconds. Rolla coasta!
I haven't seen any post-race interviews besides the podium speeches, but Barcia's initial excuse of "I had nowhere to go" didn't work quite as well as it did for Bubba when he cut in front of Partridge in '10, since, you know, he had somewhere to go.
Seems to me that the generations of Motocross racers and fans have wonderful opinions. Tech inspection at sign up provides the rules of being fair. When the riders line up and the gate drops, all bull$hit stops, game on! Who ever cross the finish line first win, case closed. Go on to the next event and stop the crying. Way to go RV2, it's been a great road. You certainly proved that you want this Championship. As far as the competition goes, if pulling the holeshot is the only way they have a chance to beat RV2, they better learn to hold onto it and not worry about what goes on behind them. RD1 has had a good couple of seasons and his MXDN speaks for itself. Let you finishes prove to the non-believers. JB17 just keep the rubber side down and you will do just fine.
This post has had a lot of input, it quite nice to see the following.....
Dungey rode like the dangerous rookie for a lot of the race, not in complete control.Props to JB for an exciting debut!
Now, on to the MXoN Maybe they should let RD wear the #1...the rest of the world will think "we've already seen their #3 guy (RV) absolutely decimate everything, and everybody we have lined up next to him and he was only on a 250! (ref. Budds Creek MXoN 07) If he (RV) is the third best american, we might as well pack up cause we are never going to even see the Chamberlin trophy.
Justin 'Barge-in-on-ya' lived up to his name once again! He had NO business looking back and trying to block Dungey in moto 2. It turned out as I predicted though, the 'Journeymen' schooled the rookie, and #17 ended up taking a dirt bath as requested.
Yeah, I know I don't moto for a living,(moto just gives me life), and I probably should not judge, but that's the way I see it; blind in one eye, and can't see outta the other!