Racer X Race Report: Unadilla
Saturday, August 13, 2011 | 6:05 PM
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PrintThis year, the legendary Unadilla Valley Sports Center track in New Berlin, NY wasn't covered in its trademark green grass. The track owners instead covered the track with loads of topsoil, all of it dug out of the ravines and valleys around the track. It brought some traction back to the track, as well as a distinct look of its own.
But by the end of the day, the track was all green again.
Ryan Villopoto and Dean Wilson dominated the proceedings on their Kawasakis, sweeping their motos in the 450 and 250 classes, respectively, and extending their series' points leads. The series now takes another weekend off, and the riders looking to knock Villopoto and Wilson off for a championship are going to have to put in some work.
RV is a boss. He guided his new 2012 KX450F to 1-1 finishes.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
Dean Wilson picked up his first overall victory of the season via a dominant 1-1 performance.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
For Villopoto, the win marked a successful debut of the 2012 KX450F, which the Monster Energy Kawasaki team had only begun testing the Monday after the previous round of the tour at Washougal, Washington. After a week, Villopoto and his teammate Jake Weimer already felt the bike was better than the 2011 model, and Villopoto's victory proves there wasn't much risk to that decision. Weimer, also, logged his best rides of the year.
The new bike wasn't the only debut in the 450 class. GEICO Honda 250-class rider Justin Barcia got the call up to the 450 divsion by American Honda Racing, which needed a substitute for the injured Josh Grant and Trey Canard. Barcia's debut was nearly as good as Villopoto's bike, as he ran up front in both motos and ended up third overall via 3-3 moto scores. Rockstar Makita Suzuki's Ryan Dungey, winner of the previous two series' rounds, went 2-2 for second, but definitely had his problems fighting past Barcia. Barcia also finished in front of TwoTwo Motorsports Bel-Ray Racing's Chad Reed, who struggled compared to his usual standards, finishing fourth with 4-5 scores.
Barcia's 450 debut was impressive.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
Barcia holeshot the first 450 moto and led for six impressive laps. Lucas Oil Troy Lee Honda's Christian Craig also started well and ran second. Villopoto started about fifth, but made short work of everyone around him, making passes immediately to get to second, while Craig ended up dropping back to ninth.
Villopoto then slowly reeled in Barcia, who had built a four-second lead, and made a pass for the lead. RV took off from there. Dungey, meanwhile, had some work to do, making passes at a slower clip than Villopoto, and only catching Barcia near the 20-minute mark. He made the move late, securing second, and by then Barcia had a big lead over the rest of the field, taking third in his first-ever 450 MX race. Reed overcame a bad start to finish fourth, winning a race-long battle with Weimer, who took fifth.
In the second moto, Red Bull KTM's Mike Alessi nailed the holeshot and led early, with Barcia and Weimer close. Again, Villopoto blitzed the field early and quickly passed his way into second, then worked his way up to Alessi and snagged the lead. Barcia and Dungey were able to clear Alessi as well, but Alessi rode solid and maintained his spot from there to take fourth.
Dungey's two-race win streak came to an end, but his 2-2 scores keep him within seven points of Villopoto in the standings.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
Behind Alessi, everything went crazy. Reed passed Weimer for fifth but then lost his back end in a rut and crashed moments later. Justin Brayton powered his way past Weimer on his Muscle Milk Toyota JGR bike, but then crashed in the same spot as Reed. This left Weimer and Rockstar Makita Suzuki's Brett Metcalfe battling for fifth, but they collided and crashed into each other! Through it all, Reed was able to cruise past to finish fifth.
Meanwhile, it seemed inevitable that Dungey would eventually run down Barcia for second, but the Honda kid was not making it easy, rebuffing each Dungey charge. It came down to the last lap. Barcia went off the track but recovered, then bobbled again while dealing with a lapped rider heading to a table top. He got a little sideways on the jump and he and Dungey collided as they landed from the jump. Dungey hung on, but Barcia crashed hard. He managed to get up and salvage third. Dungey was not happy with Barcia's move after the race.
Eli Tomac found his old form and and snagged a podium in the 250 class.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
Blake Baggett couldn't pull his El Chupacabra tricks on this day, and settled for second overall.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
Wilson was clearly the man this day on the 250s. The first-moto holeshot went to DNA Shred Stix Star Racing Yamaha's Gareth Swanepoel, who led early. Wilson and Baggett were battling hard on the first lap, then Wilson squirted away, and Baggett washed out in a corner, dropping him out of the top five. On the next lap, his teammate Rattray fell in the exact same corner! Both title contenders were going to have to mount a charge to get back to the front.
Wilson made a move on Swanepoel to get the lead. Meanwhile, new kid on the block Justin Bogle was up front in his debut pro race, running third behind Swanepoel until Baggett came back through, dropping him to fourth. Bogle showed impressive speed, but he came unraveled around the 20-minute mark, and lost another spot to his teammate Eli Tomac. Bogle held on from there to take sixth in his first race.
Baggett passed Swanepoel to take second, then Rattray unleashed a hard charge late, moving to third and the nearly running down Baggett with two laps to go. He ran out of time. Wilson took the win with a solid gap over Baggett, with Rattray third, Swanepoel and Tomac rounding out the top five.
Jake Weimer was in the battle all day in he 450s.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
In the second moto, GEICO Honda's Jimmy Decotis snagged the holeshot, with his teammates Tomac and Bogle up there with him. But soon Wilson had sliced his way to second, then passed Decotis for the lead. Soon Tomac moved to second and held Wilson honest for the first twenty minutes of the moto. The gap between Wilson and Tomac never grew past five seconds, until Tomac made a few mistakes late in traffic and Wilson extended things further. From there, there was nothing stopping Wilson from going 1-1.
Tomac held on for second, while Baggett worked his way up to third, winning a battle with Kyle Cunningham. Cunningham capped another solid outing with 8-4 scores for fourth overall.
The worst news came for Rattray, who crashed out of the moto early and scored zero points.
The 450 podium.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
Martin Davalos stayed in the battle the whole way in 250 moto 2 and took a fifth, good enough for seventh overall.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
In other news, Team USA for the Motocross of Nations was announced, with Ryan Dungey, Ryan Villopoto and Blake Baggett taking the three spots for the team race coming up this September in France.
Team USA.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
The series' takes a weekend off before resuming for the stretch run. The next round is scheduled for August 27th at MX338 in Southwick, Massachusetts.
Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship
Rockstar Energy Unadilla National
Unadilla Valley Sports Center - New Berlin, N.Y.
August 13, 2011
Round 9 of 12
450 Class (Moto Finish)
1. Ryan Villopoto, Poulsbo, Wash., Kawasaki (1-1)
2. Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., Suzuki (2-2)
3. Justin Barcia, Monroe, N.Y., Honda (3-3)
4. Chad Reed, Kurri Kurri, Australia, Honda (4-5)
5. Mike Alessi, Victorville, Calif., KTM (7-4)
6. Jake Weimer, Rupert, Idaho, Kawasaki (5-6)
7. Justin Brayton, Fort Dodge, Iowa, Yamaha (8-7)
8. Kyle Regal, Howell, Mich., Suzuki (10-9)
9. Jimmy Albertson, San Diego, Calif., Yamaha (12-11)
10. Jake Canada, Corona, Calif., Yamaha (11-14)
450 Class Championship Standings
1. Ryan Villopoto, Poulsbo, Wash., Kawasaki - 391
2. Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., Suzuki - 384
3. Chad Reed, Kurri Kurri, Australia, Honda - 366
4. Brett Metcalfe, Mannum, Australia, Suzuki - 262
5. Mike Alessi, Victorville, Calif., KTM - 210
6. Andrew Short, Colorado Springs, Colo., KTM - 196
7. Kevin Windham, Baton Rouge, La., Honda - 193
8. Jake Weimer, Rupert, Idaho, Kawasaki - 190
9. Davi Millsaps, Murrieta, Calif., Yamaha - 173
10. Tommy Hahn, Great Bend, Kan., Yamaha - 140
250 Class (Moto Finish)
1. Dean Wilson, Glasgow, Scotland, Kawasaki (1-1)
2. Blake Baggett, Grand Terrace, Calif., Kawasaki (2-3)
3. Eli Tomac, Cortez, Colo., Honda (5-2)
4. Kyle Cunningham, Aledo, Texas, Yamaha (8-4)
5. Justin Bogle, Cushing, Okla., Honda (6-6)
6. Marvin Musquin, La Reole, France, KTM (7-8)
7. Martin Davalos, Quito, Ecudaor, Suzuki (14-5)
8. Gareth Swanepoel, Johannesburg, South Africa, Yamaha (4-16)
9. Alex Martin, Millville, Minn., Honda (10-10)
10. Cole Seely, Newbury Park, Calif., Honda (9-11)
250 Class Championship Standings
1. Dean Wilson, Glasgow, Scotland, Kawasaki - 396
2. Blake Baggett, Grand Terrace, Calif., Kawasaki - 371
3. Tyla Rattray, Durban, South Africa, Kawasaki - 353
4. Kyle Cunningham, Aledo, Texas, Yamaha - 264
5. Eli Tomac, Cortez, Colo., Honda - 239
6. Gareth Swanepoel, Johannesburg, South Africa, Yamaha - 200
7. Broc Tickle, Holly, Mich., Kawasaki - 195
8. Justin Barcia, Monroe, N.Y., Honda - 181
9. Martin Davalos, Quito, Ecuador, Suzuki - 175
10. Darryn Durham, Butler, Pa., Honda - 148
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@ Trendkiller, our man finally put it down twice!! Back to back moto's for poto! No holeshots, quick passes and gone. I say RV2 wins at least 4 more moto's this year and the title. He may not sweep the wick, just because the sand is more unpredictable. He may not win moto 2 at Pala because he probably won't have to. But he is going to be damn hard to beat otherwise
It took a lot longer than I expected for our predictions to stand up, but better late than never!
@ Dgizzy eat some crow brother!!
it's not over but ewwweee Villopoto was rompen and stompen today i'll tell'ya.
Yes, Poto was on it today, great b-day ride, for the first time this year his bike seemed to be working better than Dungey's, credit the 2012 Kawasaki. Dungey will have to win at the Wick or his chances of holding on the #1 plate will be really slim. Reed needs to shed the crash memories and twist it but as you get older those things seem to stick with you a bit more, thats why the kids are so fast! Short term memory, twist crash, forget, twist, Barcia is a good example. He is very fast, but he seems to be hitting the ground alot, but he gets up an twists it. Wilson got what he deserved today, shows hard work and dedicatin pay off. Rookie Bogle showed really good speed for 10 laps then began fade, showing the differance in amateur shape and pro shape.
Shaggy and Mr. Press Release don't quite see eye to eye, huh. Dung is probably having flashbacks to JLaw.
Barcia awesome on the 450, I remember back in the day kids would move to the big class right away. Johnson, Lechein, Bradshaw and many more were all 16 years old when they moved up. Now you have guys like Hansen and Rattray that are on 250 their whole life. Shame
Right now somewhere theres a Yamaha engineer with a saki in one hand and a hari-kari knife in the other......
Right now somewhere theres a Yamaha engineer with a saki in one hand and a hari-kari knife in the other......
What happened to the big surprise entry?
tonewall prob not too many of these moto genesis get your Bushido reference but I love it!!!!!!!!!!! Blue is not a bad bike by any means but they are behind the curve!!!!!!
Villopoto was riding great today. Good for him on his birthday. I think Barcia's track cutting is worth mentioning. He didn't pass anyone, but I'd argue he still benefited from it since he missed an entire corner Dungey had to ride around and entered back onto the track with a bigger lead on Dungey than when he exited. Then trying to cross lines over that jump wasn't the brightest move. I still think Dungey would've been second today anyways, but Barcia should've been docked.
congrats to deano for finally sweeping it. and at dilla too. Martin davalos rode like an animal in the second moto, good for the "grungy dungy". that suzuki was working good for him. bam bam i thought was surely gonna take out poto in moto 1 and almost took out the guy w/ the number 1 plate. what a joke
From here i can say that Wilson had the 250 championship. There's 3 more rounds but I think no one can knock him out.
Too bad Dungey can't slice through guys like Villo, would like to have seen those two battle it out. Instead he had to eat roost and rocks for two motos behind Barcia who no doubt was on it and rode a pretty wide bike. They had similar lap times but what makes more sense, out front with no roost and a new guy not slowing you down or ???
If RV and Wilson win these championships it must be the first time ever that it's took both champions this long to sweep a round...? If you would of told me at the start of the series it would take 9 races for both these guys to sweep a round I would of lol'd in your face! Fair play though, I was starting to hate watching these races being an RV fan an all, but the dude was on it! Here's to the rest of the series!
oh what do you know, looks like RV is in just as good of shape as RD. who would have guessed? glad to see him off his dog crap 2011 and onto a bike he likes and feels good on
Looper148: Villopoto won the High Point race, this is his second win of the year.
I wish Reed could come back as fast as he was before his huge crash but I am afraid he could already be out of the title fight, Villopoto and Dungey are always finishing up front. I agree with the people who said riders like Hansen and Rattray should move to the 450cc, I am not a Barcia's fan but this guy impressed me so much and it's strange he didn't do that much outdoors with the 250.
Looks like Villapoto's gonna let the good times roll on the new kawi,Great finish for Dungey and Barcia,and from the looks of it speedy reedy's gonna be the wing-man for Barcia for the rest of the season.
RV Was ON IT!!! and RD's INABILTY to make passes cost him AGAIN!! RD started infront of RV in moto 1 but RV passed him and all the othesr quick!! RV went by JB quick but RD it took 20 min in moto 1 and 30min + 1 1/2 laps in moto 2!!! Reed is now out of it unless the #1 and #2 both have big issues. Reed did not look good, must have been 1 min back!! Great day at the DILLA!!! Hit some rain on the ride home though but still a great day!! SEF154 WHERE Was you???
Just read this now, RD was mad at JB?? it was the last lap, I did not see it yet but RD you had 30min to make a pass!!! This should have NEVER happen!!
.On another note the Pic of our MXD team should make all others chringe!!! LOL
WOW I guess RD was/is PISSED!! watch the post race show!! RD goes off on JB!!! LOL.
http://www.allisports.com/motocross/event/unadilla-2011/video/2011-unadilla-national-post-show
Just finished watching the post show, wow was Dungey pissed and I dont' blame him. But then again Bam Bam qualified and rode well. I think sportsman wise Justin should have let Ryan by, he is the one thats racing for the championship.
But the guy on the #2 bike, is the same guy I saw at the opener in Glen Helen. The RV of the old, he just laid it down. I was amazed how fast he was getting things done. I guess that new Kaw is really working for him. So was Josh Strang the surprise visitor? Oh ya, great riding by Weimer too. Too bad for Reedy.
Now that they have a bunch of fresh soil on the track I whis they would go all old-school and plant grass on the track and leave it that way until next year.Do it like they used to do in the Trans-Am,GP days.That would be cool and retro.
@CZMark.Mark I found and kept a tricked out Hodaka that had the number 589 on it last week.Soooo,you beter have a chat with Tons of fun.
In the 1st moto, when RV passed Barcia, you could see Barcia look over on the drop off jump then pretty much let RV past, but he seemed intent upon making life miserable for RD. K-Dub...still 7th in points!
@Fred, ya you just can't trust old tons of fun. A Hodaka you say! Hmmm, thats not old joemotocross Hodaka your talking about is it? So she is 3 timing me?
thanks for posting that BILLC! Might have missed out on that one. Good info.
On the post show- 12:45 in- check out those little white shorts-
Lost all respect for Dungey , crying over Barcia holding him off , bigboy class , needs to grow up , learn some respect , blah blah , what a whimp , Barcia will be up front from here on out , Reed is done ,
WOW !!!! First I think the track was a HUGE improvement our the past years, same basic layout, WAY less rocks, WAY better dirt, still very rough, and the few jumps they added only helped the fans and the sport in my opionion, THANKS GUYS !!! I have loved this sport for 4 decades guy's, its better now, THESE ARE THE GOOD OLD DAY"S !!!!
The racing was awesome although not what I wanted, in the 250 class, was hoping BB would get a 1-1 to tighten up the points (usa bias here) LOVED it that bogle did so well, very nice riding style. Cant wait for the next batch of kids to start making their marks !
Kudo's to RV, I was suspecting that he was having some health/stamina issues along with not liking his 2011 bike, hopefully he has both of these resolved. Barcia rode SO much better on a 450 than the 250, maybe the extra inertia helped to smooth him out a little? He rode clean and his jump under RD was not intentioal, it was his mistake. RD has NOTHING to be pissed at, he is a better rider than JB and slightly faster, he had 30 min to get around him and couldn't get it done, RV did it easily both motos. RD should look at himself and show he is a big boy by passing much sooner, he is an awesome rider and doesnt like to get out of his comfort zone, but he is going to have to to have a chance at this title. He will have to, to beat TC, RV, JB, JS, CR, and DW etc next year.
I was bummed for CR, and hope he doesnt beat himself up, it's VERY tough to get the demons out of your head after a scare like he had. Been there, done that, You go REEDY, we all like you now !!!
Guys there was some really good racing going on behind the top three, and I am still bummed for TC, hope this femure nightmare doesnt get him down.
The MXoN team is what we all would pick, and I hope BB finds a little more consistancy the next 6 motos.
" Barcia held me back the whole day, and since my goal is a CHAMPIONSHIP, I decided to wait patiently for the clown to run out of fitness, and then move in salvaging a second. When I attempted to make a clean pass after watching Barcia making mistake after mistake, including going off the track, I was as far to the left of the jump face as possible, so hopefully I could get on the inside for the next turn. Barcia was in the middle so I had plenty of room, but apparently out of pure frustration knowing I was coming through, Barcia decides to cut me off, almost ruining my championshp hunt and causing both of us injuries. Luckilly, the man above decided just to teach Barcia a lesson which I hope he remembers."
Dude i was there, i was really impressed with barcia`s speed that was incredible. i cant believe he was able to hold dungey off like that for so long he must have been so tired but man did he hang on. im a little bummed out cause im rootin for dungey but villopoto was clearly hauling ass haha so good for him. im super pumped on this series and i cant wait to check out southwick in 2 weeks.
and i think RD should have been taking barcia`s line on that staircase section it looked a little faster to me. rd needs to act like a gentlemen and not get caught up in what happened on the last lap. lets go rd you`re the man
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Dungy's statement... Maybe you should pass him instead of waiting 30min + a lap... You need to beet RV not play around with JB!!!.
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rrmriding... he could not pass JB so I don't think he is passing RV that day. But i am with you I was hoping for a battle, But RD has no excuse he was in front of RV in both moto's and did not get the job done on this day.
@BillC, you quite possibly are the biggest RD hater on the planet, you can actually feel how satisfied you are when he doesn't succeed.
The 2012 Kawasaki nonsense is a marketing ploy, anyone who thinks that RV is feeling the 12 more than the 11 is a retard.
Baggett makes me nervous for a MXdN pick, hopefully he pulls off one of his good days, although compared to his competition he would be the most logical choice.
Hondas only chance for Reed to win the championship is to plant a land mine on the track to take out the Ryan's. Barcia is the perfect timebomb for the job. it's only a matter of time before he blows up.
Barcia was trying to take Dungey out along with himself in that pass Dungey made. Replayed it about 3 times on the DVR and Dungey kept the same line all the way through and JB cut into his line, the reason Barcia ended up on the ground is simple... KARMA! No lapper (barcia's claim), Dungey rode his line the whole way down and Barcia's intent was to bump RD! Ryan could have chased RV down but Barcia was being cheap plain and simple. Go get your championship Ryan you deserve it!!!!! The best MAN did win in that battle!
BillC is a tool. He usually hides when RV loses, then comes out swinging when he wins. A sore winner and loser if I ever saw one.
Gills your a fag!!! no the 2012 kawi is no promo just the best bike out there, why don't you get on your knees and let RD give you a tee bag, Bagget is the best 250 american rider that we have and is solid as a rock,
Barcia didn't cut the track or benefit from going off the track. He went wide on the exit of a turn and went off the track there, then got back on at the entrance of the next turn. He was only off the track on a straightaway.
Dungey's smoking crack if he thinks somebody ought to get out of his way when he's going for a championship. Everybody is going for the RACE WIN, and it doesn't matter SQUAT what one goober on the track wants. Barcia ought to stuff his ass just for saying that.
Has anyone every heard the term "respect for you elders"?
Guess Barcia fans finally have something to cheer about! Considering the fact that the kid has been on the ground pretty much the whole series (no exception yesterday). No he doesn't need to get out of Dungey's way but he also doesn't need to be cheap and almost hurt himself (which he cleary could care less about) but also Dungey (which is what Dungey was saying when he said Barcia is in the big boy class!). Enjoy your time this week Barcia fans because it will be short lived!
Funny how swarms of you come out to rag on Barcia when he "bam bams" his way around the 250 class, but if you like RV2, suddenly you're jumping to his defense. As a New Yorker (state, not city), I was glad to see Justin riding so well, but seriously, there's a championship at stake and while there's NO reason for Barcia to "move over" for Dungey, there's plenty of reason, as a replacement rider no less, to make sure you don't take out a championship contender trying to be a hero. And I've noticed this on TV, but it was pretty clear in person that these tracks are a b$tch to pass on. Yes, Villo did it, but we know he's more aggressive than Dungey (which is also why he crashes more and harder). Props to RV for a great performance yesterday, but get off Dungey's ass for being pissed about a dangerous maneuver. You want emotion, then you want to crucify him for showing some. I really think there's something to this "best lap" qualifying creating one-line tracks.
@BillC - Once the racing started, I was glued to the track and never noticed the Monster backpack. We'll have to try again at Southwick.
@Gills You are a fool, I PICKED RD TO WIN at the Dilla so stick it, I call it how I see it, RD DID NOT GET THE JOB DONE.
@Har Har Stick it dumb ass!! I am on here after EVERY RACE so don't say things that and not true. Pull your head out of your ass and get some fresh air!!
I agree Sef154, JB should ride hard and clean, RD NEEDS to be MORE aggressive, There were a few good passing spots, RV plassed guys with no trouble and never even got close to them. Look at the pass he put on JB, Went WAY out side and just smoked by him. There is no reason RD could not do the same thing. RV looked very smooth and in controle the whole race, Was not riding out of control at all.
.See ya at the wick Sef154!!
I just think that it's not that good when a very fast rider who was not supposed to enter the series starts to race when there are 4 races to go with 3 riders battling for the championship, in my opinion it can altar the final result. I don't wanna discuss the race episodes between Dungey and Barcia, but it's obvious that Barcia's presence already changed something in championship standings and Barcia was supposed to be on a 250 and end the season in that category.
Alot of Dungey hate, lol. He calmed down and gave Barcia credit for his speed and admitted he should have gotten around him sooner in How was your weekend over on TWMX. Though he comes off as a bit of a robot, Dungey is human too, and gets frustrated, whether with his own inability to make quick passes, or having a rookie run his pace for a whole moto, while Poto is getting away. Then to come that close to losing a season worth of work on a rookie mistake. Alot of stress on all these young men, they for the most part handle it very well, so to see RD fired up is unusual, but maybe he will wake up and come out a bit more aggressive him self, something i think he needs to even have a chance to hold his #1 plate. Thanks to all the riders who risk it all to entertain and put on the show, another great season winding to an end .
OH yeah one more thing Gills, You may be the Mentally challenged one if you don't think these guys can tell the dif between two bikes. Hell K-Dub can tell the dif between an AL skid plate and a carbon one on his bike. Maybe bfore you go telling us we are retarded you might want to give us a little background on your riding abillity so we know what we are dealing with....as if I don't already know!!
Manes I see your point but there is no rule that says you can't race this class because of...., bottom line is You need to win no mattter who is out there. But I agree and i even said before the race I would HATE to see anyone of the top 3 to lose the title because of a bad move by JB... because we all know he makes them. Really its no dif then when a guys comes back mid year form and injury... hell back in the day teams would stack a class to help there guy witch IMO sucks and is not to fair.
Dungey needs to spend the off-season w/ Bob Hannah; I think if RD got a bit of a mean streak in him, He'd probably win a few more races & championships. He is a very talented and very fit racer, but...he needs to get a bit nasty if he wants some more #1 plates before he calls it a day. If Barcia (or anyone else for that matter) wants to test his a$$ at Southwich, he should punt them into the cheap seats. It worked for guys like Hannah, Johnson and Emig, it'd work the same for him too...
@CZMark, yeah you might want to have a little chat with ol Joemotocross while you at it.
There are clearly some kids on here that have to turn this sport into a hate and slam session. I can't remember a better group of top riders than what we have now. I am not dissapointed in RD at all that he was pissed, he's over it now because in truth JB didn't hurt him at all. RV was on it yesterday and RD never reeled him in at all even when he had a clear track and said so himself. I saw many small mistakes of RD's and he will have another chance at southwick.
YES the new bike will make a difference, and RV had a choice and was struggling with the old and has said so all season. Any small change makes a difference at their level, I still say there was some fitness/health issues RV needed to figure out. RD will be strong at southwick, and I feel CR and JB will also. The ONLY ones that need to get out of the way are lappers, I race to win and if you are faster you have to get around me, I will NEVER give it to you, if I did it's not racing.
BillC, I am with you, but it's different when a rider comes back from an injury, like Canard, who anyway was supposed to start the season on a 450cc. Anyway, let's see in Southwick, I heard from some people that JB is fast there, Dungey needs to gain points with a 1-1, a 2-1 against a 1-2 won't help him anymore, he will have to face JB closely again. Last note: it's curious that JB on a 250, outdoor, was not doing that much and here he is so fast, he looks like Frossard, an ok rider in MX2 and a top 3 rider in MX1.
Manes Don't forget reed loves Southwick, RD can't let reed win either. Reed is out of it now unless the 1&2 both have a real bad moto. But By all means it is far from over but be carful RD because when RV gets on a roll......I would prefur RV win the title but I would take RD wining also and not complain. as long as there where some great battles between them for it. I don't want "LUCK" to win it for either.. I want to see a fight till the end!!!
BillC.........I knew you would come out of the woodwork. After the last two races when your boy [and mine] got beat straight up you was no where to be found. You was called out by me and several others and still you were in hiding so don't say you are on here every race. You always kick RD in the nuts when RV beats him but not one word when he beats RV, why? How many post do you have already? .........geez.
Barcia's team has got to be pissed at him for not riding like that in the 250 class. Does he have any friends to tell him to cut his hair. The 70's are over.
If any of you have been in a championship battle you would know how RD and Bagget feel. Oh and Honda great move to take points away from Reed.
Haven't seen the Barcia-Dungey last lap deal yet, couldn't watch the last 5 minutes of the race, so i wont go too hard one way or the other, but i will say that in my opinion Dungey was more frustrated than pissed off after the race. Barcia held him off CLEANLY for the entire first 30 minutes of that race and that is nobody's fault but his own!! He knows that too!! If JB intentionally did something dirty then that's BS (once again, i haven't seen it yet) but for Barcia on a Honda to get out of the way of Dungey on a zook?? No way in hell!! RV owned 'Dilla this year!! Predictions for Southwick anyone??
WTF was Barcia thinking when he jumped a crossed the track into Dungy? This is the same idiot that crashed his way out of the 250 championship. Now Honda sends him to the 450 class??? Is it such a big surprise that in his first race he dam near takes out Dungy???? Grow up Barcia before you hurt another rider this season.
Looked to me when Barcia saw he was angled into Dungey he threw the bike over trying to move back to his right and that saved Dungey and took himself down. Dungey should be thanking him. Just think if Barcia had been Stewart... Stewart would have taken them both out!
@you bet you are full of crap too, Find 1 race that I did not post about and I will give you $100. You can't because you are blowing smoke out your ass too!! I post about EVERY race prove me wrong and get your money!!!
just saying, you are dead on. Barcia wrecked trying to avoid Dunge contact. I am no Barcia fan (x10), but it is easily seen unless one is determined not to.
About the 2012 Kawi, it is easy to believe there was room for improvement. RV has hinted at this for a while, Reed flat-out hated it (esp after the Suzuki). Factory bikes are not production, true, but when stressed as pros stress them other things emerge that shake up the assumed order given the production bikes they are based on. Given the frame is one of the mandated "stock" items, is seems very da*n possible that a change there has big factory bike implications. Everything I have ever heard is that for about the last 4-6 years the Suzuki has been the best factory bike. Whenever someone criticizes the factory KX450, it is always regarding width, feeling big overall, and seeming heavier than it actually is. Pre-season, Mike Fisher was talking about "we have always been stable, now we are trying to make it turn." No comment needed.
To Jairtime: You are an incredible jackass.
BillC the best rider of the day won no doubt. I kinda had a problem with Honda bringing JB up he isn't even help out the two two get points to keep him in the game! IMO
JB can win at Southwick. But I hope 22 can get his S together and get a couple of holeshots were JB can be some help. And yes RD should have passed JB for the chase to RV. Everyone knows JB takes up alot of track. Southwick could be the the track that breaks things wide open. That track really tough on bikes blown motors, run out gas. We'll see!
Looking forward to Southwick
Ya.... Barcia definately gave RV a good B-Day present keeping RD from passing him so late in the race. RD is gonna have to go J-Law from now on I think..lol
im so sick of hearing that el chupacabra crap i wish they would shut up i dont know who came up with that but it has to be the gayest nickname ever in motocross
I feel bad for the dealers that have 2011 KX450s to move, especially with RV talking about "the problems" with the other (11) bike. I'm guessing RD was mad because when Barcia ran off the track, he actually gained enough time to be able to try his jump across the track move. There is no rule about letting the contenders race for the title, but I'm sure Barcia wouldn't have been happy if in a late SX East round, Hansen dropped in from the West during and started chop blocking, cutting over in mid-air etc.
So if RD "gets more aggressive" and ends up on the ground, then he gets the choker label back.
@g.man776 while I don't feel as strongly as that I do admit it's really lame. And Manes I meant Wilson and RV goin 1-1, can't believe it's took this long. I also I can't believe the season is almost done, 3 g.p's, 3 nationals and the MXdN and then it's all about A1 again!
(on a positive note, I get to see K.Roc ride next weekend!) boom.
http://www.motocrossmx1.com/reslists.aspx?ct=16&c=1
click there for the FIM World Junior Championship results
Chadapult is gun shy and maybe not as "tough" as everyone tries to tell me. - RD5 sucks at passing and needs to stop worrying about his stubble length - JB17 rides the same, no surprise - RV2 in moto2 made a SICK pass on JB17 in the "wall" section. - I say the rest of the world create a team and have the USA vs The World MXoN.
Haha I love reading what you guys have to say! So many opinions.
As far as poto's new 2012 and all that garb, its been a perfect weekend for Kawi and their marketing team is in overdrive, watch the ads pouring all over the web now after the Dilla sweep. His 2011 bike was not rubbish or anything like it - I remember this time last year when the 2011 came out and everyone was saying the same thing - the bikes weren't that much different.
I feel terrible for Reedy, as an aussie I just want him to win! He has the speed, we know it! We've seen him take the Ryans easy. Just gotta get that head straight and twist that throttle son!
Here's to Barcia doing a backflip and making ryan x2 dnf and giving reed the championship. yay!
Glad to see Regal out there. That tabletop in the back is HUGE - side by side scrubbing/whipping it sure is good to watch.
Finally a perfect 1-1 moto sweep. I guess I won't have to call him "One Moto Poto"anymore. This is just what he needed right now. I couldn't have given him a better birthday present if I tried. WAY TO GO RV!
I don't know why Dungey's mad at Barcia. That's racing. If he would have went down with him then maybe he has a legit reason to be pissed, otherwise, get over it. It was the last lap and you weren't going to catch RV anyway. Honestly Dungey, did you really think the way Barcia was riding he was going to make it easy for you? Bob Hannah wouldn't have cared if you were in title contention or not. He would race you no matter what. Same with Barcia.Talk about being a man in the mans class. Sounds like you should man up.
Go to Transworld how was your weekend and listen to Barcia say him self that his move over the jump was "stupid" his own words. both Dungy and Barcia were lucky to not get hurt in that stupid move. Barcia needs to grow up before he hurts another rider.
I'm sorry everyone, I just can't control myself when RV wins. I know I keep posting about how much I love him and how I hate RD so forgive me, please. RD you suck!
I don't think the move he made over the jump was intentional. He wasn't set up very well as he hit the jump, which is why he crossed into RDs path.
Just watched the post-race video. RD is such a piece of pamperd bulls@#t !! If Barcia was holding him up-why didn't he just pass him like RV did??? Does he really think that Barcia should have just pulled over and let him by?? Just lost all respect for the crybaby!! I hope Barcia hands his ass to him the rest of the year!!
BillC - If anyone really cares, they can look back at your comments about Dungey and how you rag on him or give him left-handed complements. When Villopoto loses you say "Well, Dungey rode well, but RV didn't look right, blah blah blah". When Dungey loses to Villopoto you say "DUNGEY CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE, HE CAN'T PASS, RV IS AMAZING WITH HIS BURST SPEED, RV IS JUST LIKE CARMICHAEL!!!". You are an utter fool, and a moron. I take great pleasure in telling you how much better I feel about myself knowing losers like you exist. Thanks for the self esteem boost!
yz692:
Wouldn't it be cool if RD could dismiss his political correctness long enough to plant a 4-knuckle welcome to Barcia's nose.
Fortunately/Unfortunately his nature won't allow it...... and I respect him for that as much as his ability to haul the mail on a mx track.
Gills is an idiot. Sorry, cannot exercise patience any longer!
Do you own the 2012 KX? Do you or did you own the 2011? or 2010?
No, I did not think so.
I owned the 201o (loved it) and I got the 2012 about 4 weeks ago. yes, the chassis is THAT much better.
I cannot believe how much better the 2012 comes into corners, softer feeling and the front end goes where I want it too.
Now, add the confidence factor that is REALLY important at their level and I can assure you the 2012 is not marketing hype.
Still not a believer? Did you freaking watch the race? You could see how much better RVs bike was working. no rear end hop, front end tracking smooth into corners....his dominance of the field. Oh yes, Jake puts in his best ride of the season as well.
Unless you owned the 10 or 11 and are now on the 12...keep your mouth shut. You just sound ignorant.
Dungey handled himself fine in the interview. Called out JB and then owned it for not making the pass. He called it right in my opinion.
JB will take care of himself. He keeps riding like that and he will auger in and be done. Still, nice work for your first big bike ride.
piece out
Har Har,
you actually are not to bright are you? While I have no opinion one way or the other about BillC, your post actually sounds pretty stupid.
"When Villopoto loses you say "Well, Dungey rode well, but RV didn't look right, blah blah blah".
This is actually a correct statement. Have you been watching? Anyone who knows the sport can clearly see RV has been fighting the bike this season. Hell, he even said it. So, you are incoreect and BillC is correct.
BillC 1, Har 0
"When Dungey loses to Villopoto you say "DUNGEY CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE, HE CAN'T PASS, RV IS AMAZING WITH HIS BURST SPEED, RV IS JUST LIKE CARMICHAEL!!!".
Please see comment above. RV blitzes past competitors to get out front in 5 minute and RD takes 20+ or 30+. Hell RD himself has said that he needs to work on getting past people faster.
BillC 2, Har 0
"You are an utter fool, and a moron. I take great pleasure in telling you how much better I feel about myself know"
You are "O" and 2. If this is a victory for you and you feel good about yourself. Well, you have told all of us something...have you not?
Sleep well, if you can.
All I know is the battle between RD and JB was exciting to watch.RV was the fastest rider for that day.If your battling for position then why would you pull over to let the guy your battling with get buy only because he is a popular rider. Im not going to get into the bla,bla,bla of who did what to who,because I am not them and will leave it between them.
There are 40 pro,s on the starting line who have earned there right to be there and race for position...It would be pretty boring if everyone just pulled off the track or didn't race to let the top three championship contenders race by themselves
5th, 6th, 14th, ktm still sucks! and shorty has always been a top-3 guy on honda! the two others are world champion and ama 450 winner!
Open Class - You are clearly a biased KX rider. If you think RV won this weekend because he rode the 2012 model, you are a fool. His bike looked fine plenty of times this year. You should be worried that you and BillC are on the same wave length.
Poor Dungey. the guy can't win for losing... He wins a race its only b/c (insert whoever finished 2nd) had bike/start/line choice problems. He loses a race and he just flat out is slow and can't keep the pace of (insert whoever wins). If he had some emotion he would do better... He finally shows emotion and now is labelled a whining girl... And before everyone jumps on the barcia train, lets see if he can duplicate this performance again. B/c we all know there have plenty of riders debut and have great rides and then fade into 6-10th place finishers. And we also know that barcia will torpedo himself into the ground for 12434645th time before the year is over
Unadilla was great.Been going for 31 years.How is Bob Hannah not in the Unadilla Hall of Fame?Nothing against The Jammer.
Open Class,
You cannot compare your 2012 and how you ride it to Villopoto's 2012, they are 2 different bikes. If you think the 2011 bikes suspension wasnt on par with any other bike out there then you have no idea.
RV stated that they put his 2011 motor and suspension on the 2012 chassis.
They HAVE to run production frames. So yes it is very clear from watching the races this weekend that the 2012 chassis (w/ 2011 suspension/motor) was working better.
I also have personal experience that the new chassis is better.
But hey, I am sure all you arm chair quarterbacks who have no actual experience with the KXs must know better. Try and be open and learn a little something, instead of espousing ignorance by ignoring facts and experience.
Open Class let it go you will end up with blisters on your fingers if you try to educate these guys ... I loved my 10 kawi but my 12 kawi is farkin heaps better ... it turns heaps better than all the previous models 06 thru 10 ive owned em all...
Got your ass handed to ya there HAR HAR. Like I said before find a race i did not post about and get $100... So find it our shut or pie hole!! I guess looking like a fool makes you feel good about yourself eh?? If You took RD's nuts out of your mouth you would see what OpenClass sees, I call it how it happens If you don't like hearing that RD did not get the job done then you are in denial and we can't help you.
I am still in shock over the "NON" racers who think the bike did not help RV and he could not tell the Dif!! Let me guess you guys "raced" once 11 years ago... So YOU KNOW...Right??
Gills, har har and you bet go read the Post race thread, Lots of RD bashing going on there but I see you all don't post there, Do you just like me or something?? I am flatered but I don't swing that way so move on!! LOL
Oh yeah, I really got handled there. All I read was a fanboy spouting Kawasaki and Villopoto love. I was actually pulling for Reed to win this year, since I like his attitude and I ride Hondas. If he can't do it then I just want RV to lose. Simply because his fan base is by far the most ignorant and illogical. It's amusing seeing how RV fans get so defensive. I try not to take things over the internet quite so seriously. It's sad that you do. Nice homosexual references, by the way. They really showcase your mentality; that of a twelve year old.
great ride rv ,the dung his bike setup looked to be shit 2 laps to go in 2nd moto he hit his head on the bars chasing jb........he looked like rv in past races ..the bike beat the shit out of him...............great race hope to make steel city.close to home..go rv rd and now trey canard fill in jb
@Beth - I was at the race, and about 30 feet from the Barcia/Dungey incident. And there is no way in heck Barcia did that on purpose. I was standing right on the side of that jump and there was definitely a lapper there. Barcia came out of the turn and gassed it around the lapper, but he hit the face of the jump and got a bit cross-rutted. That sent him over into Dungey's line.
Dungey drew a perfect line around that previous turn, and closed in on Barcia very quickly and they came together. In fact, I give Barcia credit for seeing Dungey at the last second and laying his bike flat to try and minimize the impact. If Barcia had not done that they would have hit "bar-to-bar" and they both would have gone down no question about it.
I can see why Dungey was mad, because Barcia could have backed off instead of trying to skirt that lapper on the approach to a jump... but that's racing. Dungey could have let off too when he saw Barcia gas it.
The reality is if Barcia was in the hunt for the title, no one would have questioned the incident. But some people think because he's a fill-in rider that he should bow out and give up the position. Or at the very least ride conservative and take no chances... well that's what MX racers do, they take chances at every turn. Barcia is a 19 year old kid, he wants to win, wants to prove he's ready for the 450cc bike. He has a lot at stake too for his future and career. So I can't blame him for wanting to prove himself capable of running it the best riders in the world.
I like Dungey, and I understand his frustation. But I can't blame Barcia either... I think Dungey is just frustrated that Villopoto just walked away from him....
dave250,
You are right, these yahoos are beyond help.
I agree with your assessment or the 12 over previous years. My only gap in models since the KXF was released was the 11, and the 2012 is better across the board.
Either way Har Har your first statement was challenged and you did not take the bet so that is proff that you are a blowhard just trying to start crap...
.ps. You want reed to win because YOU ride a Honda...Now there is some fanboy love!! >>Now thats funny. I want reed to win because we both ride honda!! LOL How sad you are!!!
@ RYAN DUNGEY, just clean him out as hard as you can. Teach him a lesson just like Pourcel did on 250s. Anytime Justin is around you go for his front wheel, same as he does. Don't give this guy any respect because he doesn't respect you............if he's going to endanger everyone he's around on the track you'd be doing everyone a favor by putting him on the ground.
It killed me seeing the #17 / #1 wreck but, no harm, no foul. Racing incident, shrug it off, it was no ones / everyones fault. Sometimes that happens at mach speed in a AMA Pro race.
I'm for sure not a KX guy but, it's hard to argue the 2012 KX's didn't do ANYTHING for RV & Weimer as RV went 1-1 & Weimer had his best day to date. If I was a Kawie P.R. hack, that's how I'd be coming at it.
Barcia finishing in front of Reed? Huh????? If you're not going 1-1, you'd better get behind the "A" team / rider.........if you like your job.
I asked BillC about all of this and he said I was correct.
Not 100% correct IMO, Was JB expected to stop for almost a min and wait for Reed?? IMO Reed is done unless the 1 & 2 both have a real bad moto. To bad too because he was killing it, now his head is all messed up.
So much for Barcia being Reeds " wing man"..If Barcia didnt go 3-3, Reed would have been 3-4 most likely and not lost as many points.......Reed had a knarly get off in 2009 and it didnt seem to mess with his head, so i dint know if that is his issue or not....Reed was charging the first half of the season but I also think RV and RD stepped it up at Washougal and Reed can not match that pace. When RV is at 100%, he walks away from Reed.....
@snowman, it is a different perspective being there and seeing what NBC shows in between commercials (that is really annoying). But from the way it looked Barcia sailed over to Dungey's line, but they did not show the lead in to the jump. I just know how dirty Barcia can be (he admits it openly... see Moto inside the outdoors last season!) but I see your point for sure. So good to know what was happening in person.
As for everyone talking about Dungey being agressive does anyone remember Millville? Or Thunder valley not letting Villopoto take him even though he was on his fender and Dungey held his ground! I am just saying I love how when he wins they call him the best but then he gets second and is still only a few down he is a cry baby. Or that he is a robot but then when someone asks him his opinion on Barcia and he shows some emotion people 'lose all respect'. I will give it to RV he was on it Saturday and you gotta respect that. It is sad that RD will be one of those riders who can't seem to please anyone, and get the respect for what he has done in his career.
A bit off topic but...
Since when is the Screw-U called The Wall???
Dungey gained respect with me. I've always felt Dungey has been a little too diplomatic at times........almost to the point of being fake. So It was good to see the fire after the race and the honest comments. Calling Barcia a clown was 100% on target. That was a stupid move.
I find it hard to root against a guy who's riding on my brand of motorcycle unless he's a jerk. I've ridden Suzukis since the late '90s, and I like Dungey; so it's a win-win. Too bad Suzuki is going BNG on their bikes this year. It makes KTM and Kawasaki look much more appealing.
Beth and Payback is a beech are both idiots that need to get a life. Barcia got cross rutted and tried to get out of Dungey's way. I used to really like Dungey, but lost a lot of respect for him for all his whining...
bmd policital correctness my eye!! Dungey IS one of the nicest guys out there---but this is motocross--and he needs to man up and admit that he could not hang with RV instead of blaming somebody that he wasn't able to pass!! Didn't RV pass Barcia both motos?
Reed, Villo, Dungey; three great champions, Barcia; a helluva rider! with Windham, that's the top-5 in the world !!!!