Racer X Race Report: RedBud
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PrintThe contenders keep exchanging good motos and bad motos, the points remain close, and the Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship heads into a mid-season break without a clear favorite.
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Last week Rockstar Makita Suzuki’s Ryan Dungey won at Thunder Valley in Colorado, which gave the defending 450 class champion some temporary momentum in the series. It lasted but a week, as Chad Reed, who struggled in Colorado, bounced back to beat Dungey in the first moto at Saturday’s Rockstar Energy Drink RedBud National in Michigan. That first-moto win proved huge, because Reed was able to take a third in moto two to win the overall for the weekend with 1-3 scores on his TwoTwo Motorsports Bel-Ray Racing Honda. Dungey went 2-2 for second overall, the second time in three races Reed edged Dungey with a first and a third over a pair of seconds. Meanwhile, Monster Energy Kawasaki’s Ryan Villopoto crashed hard early in moto one and finished ninth, but came back with a strong moto win in the second race. His 9-1 scores made him third overall.
Pick a favorite out of those three riders? Impossible.
Chad Reed used 1-3 scores and smart riding to notch his fourth overall win in six races this summer.
Villopoto crashed early in moto one and had to dig deep to come back to ninth. He still had enough left to take the win in moto two.
Ryan Dungey was consistent again with 2-2 scores, but he was edged for the overall, again.
Andrew Fredrickson photos
The 250 class experienced a change, but this one came because a rider matched his performance last week in Colorado. Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki’s Blake Baggett proved he can win back-to-back by taking 1-1 scores to the RedBud overall win, his fourth win of the season, but his first back-to-back victories. While momentum is continually changing in the 450 class, the mo’ is clearly on Baggett’s side in the 250s. But he is not, however, the points leader, as his teammate Dean Wilson logged another consistent 2-2 day to hold onto his red plate. A third Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki rider, Tyla Rattray, went 5-3 for third overall and still sits second in points.
And perhaps the biggest swing took place in the Women’s class, as Ashley Fiolek outdueled Jessica Patterson in both motos to go 1-1 on her American Honda Racing CRF250, relegating Patterson, who went 1-1 last week, to 2-2 scores. Fiolek still leads the DNA Shred Stix/Star Racing Yamaha rider Patterson in the standings.
In the first 450 moto, Monster Energy Kawasaki’s Jake Weimer grabbed the holeshot, but Muscle Milk/Toyota’s Davi Millsaps was quickly around him and into the lead. ‘Saps led several laps, but at the halfway point Reed put his Honda around him, and Dungey quickly followed him through. Villopoto was way back after a lap one crash that also took down Tommy Hahn and Josh Lichtle. Hahn and Lichtle were unable to get back into the race. Villopooto was banged up, too, riding without a helmet visor, and eventually a rear fender or right-side panel. But he kept changing and eventually rallied to ninth.
Dungey kept the heat on Reed the entire way, and temporarily leaped past Reed on the final lap by taking an outside line through the sand whoops. But Reed stuck to the inside to edge Dungey at the exit of the corner, enough to get the lead back and hold it to the finish line. Millsaps took third.
In the second moto, Villopoto got a much better start—as in, the lead. Dungey got to the holeshot line first, but Villopoto held it on around the outside of the second turn, which set him up on the inside of turn three. He squeezed past Dungey and then logged some of the most aggressive laps of the day, opening up a gap and winning the moto handily.
Weimer (32) and Millsaps (18) battle for the first moto holeshot.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
It was not enough to salvage the overall. Reed started third, but said he got held up when Dungey made a first-lap bobble, and then he made a mistake himself. Red Bull KTM’s Mike Alessi pounced to move into third, pushing Reed to fourth. That was the end of Reed’s bid for the moto win, as the veteran admitted that as soon as Alessi got him, he knew he would not be able to make a quick pass lost touch with the leaders. Reed eventually made the move, but the Ryans were gone, so he settled for a distant third, still enough to take the overall win.
"I got a good start (in Moto 2) and got into third," said Reed. "Dungey made some mistakes and I tried to get by, but then I made mistakes and Alessi passed me. At that point I knew I had to just settle down and be smart. I actually learned a lot today. I got my butt kicked last week, and we worked on suspension. Each time I went out on the track today, it was different. I learned a lot about my bike, and a lot about myself as a person about the decisions I need to make on race days. It’s probably not a good idea to test during a race, but we learned a lot about the bike today."
"I felt good today," said Dungey. "It was just a little unfortunate. I wanted to run in contention with Villopoto, but I wasn't making it happen. Now we've got a week to work on things and get better. We'll just keep plugging away. At this point, points are valuable. I can't get stuck behind like that. I need to get up and go."
Dungey’s teammate Brett Metcalfe put in his best performance so far this year to take fourth overall over Alessi.
Barcia led early in the day, but crashes ended any chance of a moto win. Bike problems on the starting line of moto two prevented him from racing the second time out.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Andrew Fredrickson photo
In the 250s, GIECO Honda’s Justin Barcia nailed the first-moto holeshot and set some blistering laps early. But he crashed hard on the base of a jump a few laps in, handing the lead over to DNA Shred Stix Star Racing Yamaha’s Ryan Sipes. Sipes held the point while Wilson tried holding off Baggett for second. Eventually, Baggett found some passing lines and made a move on Wilson for second, then tracked down Sipes and took the lead. He went unchallenged from there. Wilson passed Sipes in the sand whoops to take over second, Sipes held on for third. Rattray went down in turn two and charged from about last to get to fifth.
Baggett bagged his fourth win of the year.
Dean Wilson was fast, but not as fast as Baggett.
Andrew Fredrickson photos
In moto two, GEICO Honda’s Wil Hahn grabbed the holeshot in his return from injury, but before long Baggett and Wilson were around him. Wilson kept Baggett honest early, but at the halfway mark Baggett decided to drop the hammer, and logged unmatchable lap times. He pulled away for the win. Rattray had a better start this time and got to third, and at one point got within sight of Baggett and Wilson. But he made a few mistakes and let his young teammates pull back away.
"Going 1-1 is a pretty good day I'd say," said Baggett. "The championship is still really far out. Neither of my teammates has had a bad race yet, but if they do, I want to be there to capitalize. I just want to be there in the end, and if it happens, it happens. No matter what, I'm going to give it my all."
Kyle Cunningham was consistent with 4-4 scores and fourth overall, with the fourth Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki rider, Tickle, taking fifth overall.
After a weekend off, the series resumes at Spring Creek in Millville, Minnesota.
Fiolek showed up faster at RedBud than she was at Lakewood, and went 1-1 over Jessica Patterson.
Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship
Rockstar Energy RedBud National
- Buchanan, Mich.
July 2, 2011
Round 6 of 12
450 Class (Moto Finish)
1. Chad Reed, Kurri Kurri, Australia, Honda (1-3)
2. Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., Suzuki (2-2)
3. Ryan Villopoto, Poulsbo, Wash., Kawasaki (9-1)
4. Brett Metcalfe, Mannum, Australia, Suzuki (4-5)
5. Mike Alessi, Victorville, Calif., KTM (8-4)
6. Justin Brayton, Fort Dodge, Iowa, Yamaha (5-7)
7. Andrew Short, Colorado Springs, Colo., KTM (6-8)
8. Davi Millsaps, Murrieta, Calif., Yamaha (3-13)
9. Kevin Windham, Baton Rouge, La., Honda (12-6)
10. Christian Craig, El Cajon, Calif., Honda (10-10)
450 Class Championship Standings
1. Chad Reed, Kurri Kurri, Australia, Honda - 268
2. Ryan Villopoto, Poulsbo, Wash., Kawasaki - 252
3. Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., Suzuki - 246
4. Brett Metcalfe, Mannum, Australia, Suzuki - 178
5. Davi Millsaps, Murrieta, Calif., Yamaha - 173
6. Kevin Windham, Baton Rouge, La., Honda - 172
7. Andrew Short, Colorado Springs, Colo., KTM - 130
8. Christian Craig, El Cajon, Calif., Honda - 119
9. Mike Alessi, Victorville, Calif., KTM - 115
10. Jake Weimer, Rupert, Idaho, Kawasaki - 112
250 Class (Moto Finish)
1. Blake Baggett, Grand Terrace, Calif., Kawasaki (1-1)
2. Dean Wilson, Glasgow, Scotland, Kawasaki (2-2)
3. Tyla Rattray, Durban, South Africa, Kawasaki (5-3)
4. Kyle Cunningham, Aledo, Texas, Yamaha (4-4)
5. Broc Tickle, Holly, Mich., Kawasaki (7-5)
6. Wil Hahn, Wichita, Kan., Honda (8-6)
7. Ryan Sipes, Louisville, Ky., Yamaha (3-14)
8. Martin Davalos, Quito, Ecuador, Suzuki (11-7)
9. Cole Seely, Newbury Park, Calif., Honda (9-10)
10. Scott Champion, La Jolla, Calif., Honda (13-13)
250 Class Championship Standings
1. Dean Wilson, Glasgow, Scotland, Kawasaki - 258
2. Blake Baggett, Grand Terrace, Calif., Kawasaki - 244
3. Tyla Rattray, Durban, South Africa, Kawasaki - 242
4. Eli Tomac, Cortez, Colo., Honda - 176
5. Kyle Cunningham, Aledo, Texas, Yamaha - 163
6. Broc Tickle, Holly, Mich., Kawasaki - 143
7. Justin Barcia, Ochlocknee, Ga., Honda - 137
8. Gareth Swanepoel, Johannesburg, South Africa, Yamaha - 120
9. Cole Seely, Newbury Park, Calif., Honda - 112
10. Martin Davalos, Quito, Ecuador, Suzuki - 111
WMX Class (Moto Finish)
1. Ashley Fiolek, St. Augustine, Fla., Honda (1-1)
2. Jessica Patterson, Tallahassee, Fla., Yamaha (2-2)
3. Tarah Gieger, Aguadilla, Puerto Rico., Honda (3-3)
4. Vicki Golden, El Cajon, Calif., Kawasaki (4-4)
5. Sayaka Kaneshiro, Osaka, Japan, Suzuki (6-6)
6. Jacqueline Strong, Cottonwood, Ariz., KTM (5-7)
7. Marissa Markelon, Bridgeport, Conn., Yamaha (9-5)
8. Kasie Creson, Vallejo, Calif., Honda (8-8)
9. Lindsey Palmer, Albuquerque, N.M., Honda (7-10)
10. Jackie Ives, Visalia, Calif., Yamaha (10-11)
WMX Class Standings
1. Ashley Fiolek, St. Augustine, Fla., Honda - 185
2. Jessica Patterson, Tallahassee, Fla., Yamaha - 177
3. Tarah Gieger, Aguadilla, Puerto Rico., Honda - 148
4. Jacqueline Strong, Cottonwood, Ariz., KTM - 108
5. Kasie Creson, Vallejo, Calif., Honda - 98
6. Marissa Markelon, Bridgeport, Conn., Yamaha - 97
7. Vicki Golden, El Cajon, Calif., Kawasaki - 95
8. Sayaka Kaneshiro, Osaka, Japan, Suzuki - 83
9. Lindsey Palmer, Albuquerque, N.M., Honda - 83
10. Sara Price, Canyon Lake, Calif., Kawasaki - 79
11. Alexah Pearson, Rocklin, Calif., KTM - 79
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HOLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHIT, SHOT SORRY
Still wondering why there was no penalty to poto for finishing with no silencer?
@Myear, who cares, give it up, you have cried about it in 2 or 3 threads. You cant punish a rider for losing a bike part in a crash. His bike met all sound requirements when the race started. He lost it in a crash, you dont penalize a rider for that dork, give it a rest.
Just to let everyone know, Whatever and Jairtime Suks is the same guy. Whatever is from Iowa, he has said it before. And in another thread Jairtime suks praises Justin Brayton for being a "badass Iowa kid" which tells me its the same guy. So have some sack Whatever and just admit it. Your a Stewtard who hates jairtime because he rips Stewart, So dont be a phony and admit it. And I'm pretty sure you are "keepinitreal" also.
I want to send out a big thanks to Davey Coombs for directing me to the Media Tent after I showed him the Red Bud sign I made up for tv. He took one look at it,said how good it looked, and told me to go see photographer Andrew Fredrickson and have him take a picture of me with my sign. Not only did he take my picture, but I was on the NBC Broadcast twice with my sign. Now maybe I will show up in a future issue of Racer X in the "Pit Pass" section. Thanks Davey and Andrew.
Was there and man it was awesome. ALessi sits 9th in points after missing 2 rounds, pretty cool. Also I was surprised that Reedy stayed behind Alessi for that long in the 2nd moto. You could tell that Reedy was not even trying hard to win the 2nd moto. He gave up on it the 1st lap. If Reedy was as motivated as say RC, he would win a lot. but he likes to play it safe but what can I say he is the points leader.
It is interesting that some people thought Reed was rolling backwards after last weekend at Thunder Valley. There were some felt who that he wasn't going for the W. But I guess Reed is a very smart and calculative racer. After winning the first moto he was able to size things up and knew where he had to finish in the 2nd moto to take the overall. Just chipping away at that championship race by race. It looks Like Dungey might need a little more incentive to get another win, I wonder what that could be? Hmmm, let me think on that for a while. As for Poto, somewhere in this season he is going to string 2 moto wins. but the clock is ticking. So maybe this dog fight will go down to the last moto a Pala. Good job guys, keep it up and rubber side down.
looks like ol'Baggett might have that magic#51 for'real now
Has anyone read anything on Reed hiring a rider for next year, thats why Dungey was going so fast, he was auditioning for Reed?
Why would Dean Wilson decide to huck Larocco's leap on the lites parade lap of the last moto. Someone should let him know that, yeah it was awesome, but really, really boneheaded.
If this were 1993 Reed would be your 250 national champion and eyeing up a battle with RV to take the 500cc crown. Dungey wouldnt be able to compete as his twin shock, drum brake, water cooled RM500 would be a waste of space. But hey maybe the fuel wouldnt boil out of that thing.
New T.V. format for the NFL next year. Fox will be airing the first half of each game, then ESPN 8 will air the second half. For NASCAR NBC will run the first 250 laps of each race then Speed will run the last 250 laps. Do you think that anyone will put up with this? So why are we puting up with it? It's B.S. that we have to watch one race on 3 different channels. Oh and if you dont't get one of the channels you can contact your cable provider and spend an extra $35 a mounth to get one channel you only want to watch one thing on.
BillC will be along shortly to tell everyone how impressive RV's thrust speed is, and how it turns him on.
I cannot understand how all those riders say they like that track. I thought that track looked like a big piece. I think if everyone would stop acting like hard asses, and have them rip the track in between motos, all the riders would have way much more fun on the track then riding it with no maintenance at all. I dunno, to lay it into an off camber rut, and it stop you dead in it like its full of wet concrete, just doesn't look very fun and flowing.
@czmark the flour was old". My bust. ;0.....Is it just me, or am i see'ing alot of high dollar 4 bangers go up in smoke, or burnin up all the high tech electronice on the rigs? Now I know ya'll have heard it,....but I think someone should run the Hodaka super combat wombat, just dont DNF, and it should be good for a point or 2. And the back section of red bud where the 1 line off cambers are, have always been a pain,...since like 1977 its something ya deal with at red bud.
Perhaps the Reedy fans will disagree, but it looks like this series is going to turn into a battle between Villo and Dungey. Any agreements and/or disagreements?
Anyone know what happened to Kyle Chisholm and Kyle Partridge? I was surprised to see neither in the show.
@Hot Stuff, I was wondering how long it would take before someone commented on BillC's love for Villopoto. So he is finally coming out of the closet?
@joemotocross589, thats ok buddy walmart is having a 2 for 1 sale on flour this weekend. I'm not sure about the whole Hodaka Combat Wombat. If my memeroy serves me right, when you crashed on one of those, good luck getting it started. I remember the motor would load up. You would have to lay those things on their side to drain the fuel out of the carb, then upright them to get it started, then let that thing idle forever until it ran clean. Back in the days of no reed valves.But Joe what do you think its going to take for Dungey to pull off other win? Mas chicas goditas?
correction: GORDITAS
Has anybody heard rumors of Jeffery Herlings coming to Southwick? He is to be the sand specialist from Holland. Good story about him in Racer X mag. I guess the kid just tore Roczen up and K Roc is fast.
By golly thats ok,....we'll turn her upside down,....clean her out,..(ill wear a catch bucket for the fuel) regas her, and finish. If she makes 1 lap in like 38 mins were in the hunt.LMAO! Good deal on the flour, we need the stuff that sticks real good.
I remember Herlings name and sand. Bout it, if he beat kid rocz, he's still fast.
Dear RacerX,
Get a clue. El chupacabra is literally translated as "The goat sucker". The name comes from the animal's reported habit of attacking and drinking the blood of livestock, especially goats.
Please educated yourselves before you start calling a guy something and then posting a ridiculously inaccurate definition on live TV.
Read about el chupacabra ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra ) and then tell me how this describes Blake Bagget in anyway. Especially when it is rumored to be the size of a bear and Bagget is the size of a mini horse.
I beg you please, put a stop to this stupidity.
Once the riders get to some tracks that have more than one good line,I bet we will get to see some really good racing.I think the best is yet to come.The first motos at every track have been just one fast line.
Question: 450 class, how does a 1 - 3 beat a 2 - 2 for the overall? The way I understood it, a mathematical tie in motocross was decided by the results of the 2nd moto... In this case doesn't Dungey's 2nd beat Reeds 3rd? Hey just asking...
@Nivek, its 25 points for 1st, 22 pnts. for 2nd, and 20 pnts for 3rd. Points are scorded for each moto. In the event there is a tie in points, the best finish of the 2nd will be the tie breaker. Reed was 1/3=45 points and Dungey was 2/2 44 points.
Reed won!
These Honda professional liars. This is MX. How about just say that Bam bam hit the deck and racked himself and couldn't handle another grueling moto. Gotta pull a JS7 and "my bike gave out on the parade lap". I've lost ALL respect for the dirty Lying justin barcia. No wonder Martin davalos left MTF because of him. Speaking of Martin. He got hung up w/ another rider right off the start. He started about 2nd to last in the 2nd moto. within 5 mins he was top ten already. Nobody ever mentions good rides like that. These new EFI 4 strokes cant even last a 30 minute moto of hard abuse, what about the average joe who pays over 8 grand and wants to get 30 hours out of it before breaking the bank??? I'm waiting for Reeds bike to have a mechanical, than the racing will be on. Weege you moron. La chupacabra??? cummon man, get a clue. what goat is he sucking, surely not carmichael. If i were blake i'd be tweeting to weege to stop that BS. YZSEAN would be proud. I think his boy is the guy to beat this season. Go Deano!
@joemotocross589, we'll turn her upside down and clean her out! Are you talking about the bike or somebody's girl friend? he he
@RH709, To being know as a goat sucker is not something I would want to take to the grave or the track. But his speed reminds of someone very close to me, so we will call him "Mini Me". lol
another baffler to me. WTF happened to the regal beagle. he was supposed to be more of a threat than Pourcel. When james bought out L&M racing did he cut regals contract. REgal broke his wrist in SX, but its literally been at least six months. where he at? 800 is a freakin joke. waste of space out there. he's never gonna win anything. His loretta days are done, hopefully so are his factory rides. I was wondering if Dean had been hitting larocco's leap here and there would that have made time on baggy. He would have to go way wide to do it and it wouldn't be something he could do every lap. stopp calling baggett la chupacabra. Lets change Bam bam to LawnDart or yardsale. K weege???
I think you're right. Whatever = jairtime suks = keepinitreal. What an orangutan.
I have to say that this outdoors there is not one rider that I do not like or want to do good and that is what we want are sport to be like ! So stay home any drama queens ! Oh I think they already did ! What a great year !
I do wish Trey was in the mix !
I think Regal is healed up. He just got screwed in the "We're not ready for the outdoors" decision by JSE. Not to divert this to a "rag on JS" thread.
I was thinking Bilbo or Froto would be better nickname for Baggett than Chupacabra. Not that being associated with a mythical, three-foot tall, furry-footed being that lives in a tree is very complimentary either, especially for a short guy, but it's gotta be better than being called a goat-sucker.
dweeb i mean weege comes up some stupid crap and is probably a dick off camera, but hes better then ralph and studdering emig
@Villomoto, you must be talking about the 2 guys who are fighting for 2nd place spot at the end of the series, correct?
AVillomoto...what race were you watching?
Reed has a plan that is working...Dungey isn't fast enough to keep Villopoto under wraps, and Villopoto is the only one who can ruin his own chances...he is clearly the fastest but has to stay off the ground...
simple...
ur comment is confusingly ignorant
Lame outdoor season so far , Supercross was much more exciting !, cant wait until the monster energy cup , should finally be some fast guys , you know what I am talking about ! s
The fastest riders are already racing the outdoors, who could there be left?
LAWN DARTERS NEED NOT TO APPLY!!!!!!!!! iTS A GREAT OUTDOOR SEASON
@czmark: Cheers for clearing that up
Thanks to poto i'm deaf in one ear and can't hear out of the other. Thanks for caring a$$hole
They should have made him stop for another silencer or dq him
Poor race experience for those of us trackside
Myear
This is who people who arent into MX and might be listening for the first time have to deal with. If I wasnt a rider and someone tried to get me into the races and riding, listening to uneducated morons on TV would turn me off this sport pretty quick.
Honestly, this season hasnt had too many exciting battles. Its still been better than the one man shows in the past.
To the guy complaining about Poto running straight pipe: either grow a pair, take some earplugs with you or don't go to the races. Poto lined up to the gate with a AMA approved silencer. Im sure he would have rather kept it on the bike too. The is no reason to black flag him for wrecking and then charging from last to nineth.
So stop being a little girl. I thought you Redbud fans where suppose to be the rowdy type not the cry baby type.
I'm not going to wear fag earwear. My cousin was wearing those on a jobsite and got run over by an excavator.
Never heard it coming
@myear said " mommy said daddy used to ride a green bike and go away all weekend and ride it and now my new daddy rides a car thats real quiet. We had a poor trackside experience" WTF at Red Bud?????hahaha ! PLEASE don't ever go to Red Bud again you are PU&*Y and don't deserve to .GO RV2 with your loud bad self....@organ donor I see 98 yzfs that have never been apart and most modern four strokes that don't get endlessly overreved and get normal care last seasons. Heat and a top pro works them for sure..If you had the heart or skill of Barcia you should be out there racing and not on here with us 'old' guys. Stuff breaks ,stuff happens ,thats racing ..how could he possibly benefit from lying?.Looked pretty dissapointed to me. And to all you chupacabra haters Baggett was holding a chupa. t-shirt and didn't seemed to mind. it's a joke and he gets it, F'ing grow up.@lame outdoors season wrote.....answer CANARD. Anybody on here thats not jairtime the racist stalker pig have a great 4th of july
Tonewall, you and I differ in that I have served my country in the military and you have spent your life suckling on James Stewart and the like. To those who have served, I say a heartfelt THANK YOU for your unselfish service to this country. To you, tonewall, all I can say is that I guess you'll be moving to New York to get married in 30 days. Good luck to both of you dudes. Who's giving you away?
czsmart, you're right. I thought Reed would fade away this weekend and what does he do? Takes another win lol. Can't count the guy out anymore as he's in it for the long run. I'm a big fan, but I always feel like he's going to fade away and he never does. Just don't know how he does it, but that's why he has so many titles to his name.
Then stop complaining.
Guess stupid just runs in the family lol.
@Jairtime the racist stalking pig. You don't know what i've done you f'ing idiot. This week its people who haven't served and gays you hate. You never run out off people to hate do you you inbred backwoods cornholer. Do you even realize what a liar and hypocrite you are, i kind doubt your brain works that good. I've had to many friends and family die for this country to keep its freedoms (remember this part ahole -regardless of race ,creed or color) just so you can be the a*s you are. Doesn't mean I have to like what you say or who and what you NEED to hate this week.You can't hide the fact that you are a racist stalking pig. How about one of your craphouse raps ,they make you look dumber than I ever could and I get a kick out of the OBVIOUS racist trying to sound black.
I'm offended that no one thinks I'm capable of commenting under a fake name. Well, I got news for you jerks: I'M JAIRTIME!
The plot thickens...
As for the Chupacabra thing (@HR709)...does it also trouble you that Bob Hannah is nicknamed "Hurricane" and yet is not a destructive, whirling tropical storm with wind speeds in excess of 72mph? No? Don't lie to me, HR709. I can see the answer in your eyes. Yes, you are troubled by that fact.
Chupacabra is a pretty stupid nickname, though, so I guess I won't bother defending it. The name and its history were discussed at length in the podcast, though, so I'm sure they're not completely ignorant of its oranges.
The clear favorite is Ryan Villopoto. Don't try and confuse us weege.
I can't believe Reed can lose by so big, (a minute with no issues, no issues what-so-ever) and then turn around and stomp the champ. It seems this type of champ stomping is happening a lot, and by different riders taking turns. Nice to remember the days when Ryan Dungey was once considered a threat to James Stewart's speed, like last summer. Remember wondering if Dungey could beat James Stewart straight up in supercross just because he was racing without stars in his class, and a 100cc-less mike Aless. Always nice to be clear on just who the fastest man in the planet is.
There is big difference between being fast and having wisdom on the track, Chad has both. Its something he learned over the years of racing that makes him the veteran he is. All those riders who gate up have something in them that got them there in the first place. I would think of Reed as the crafty Aussie and I am sure the 2 Ryans will get over it as soon as the season ends.
If I had just charged from 38th to 9th in an AMA national and someone tried to DQ me for racing with no silencer I would go back out on the track find the silencer then beat that person to within 96 decibels of their life with it :)
@ cz mark ... we have not yet seen if reedy can retain the points lead
@@villomoto ... resorting to ad hominem attacks in an example of faulty logic
@ niveks ... cz mark did not clear anything up because the series is not over
thanks to all three of you for your attempts at argument ...
@ Villomoto ... It is time for a wager! Instead of being inappropriate like the other "readers" who responded to you, I will challenge you to a bet and say that CR22 wins the series. Well?
Will MX EVER get good TV Coverage?.....Why are the fans being punished every weekend?.......We make or break the sport. Give us one weekend on one channel......thats all Im askin. Please.
I am not really a villipoto fan but there should be no way he is punished for finishing without a silencer. I am sure he would have rather it stay on because you lose horsepower without it. Also I am not really a reed fan but I think he is looking at the championship at the right angle. Why push the last moto over his head to get 2nd when he is winning the overall, gaining series points on all, and avoids riding over his head and crashing an losing 20 points. I know everyone wants the champ to win all motos but to put it in perspective. Jean-Michael bayle, who won it all in 91, I don't think he won an overall in the 250cc class that year, but was champ. And as for the title of the fastest rider out there, there might be a reason they are the fastest and that might be because they push it as hard as they can, which is cool, but there is so many times you can push it and save it before it bites you in a crash. Barcia was the fastest and ended up down. And like the comment about Wilson clearing laroccos leap during the parade lap. If he was doing it during the race and was catching Baggett and turning the fastest laps, how long and do you think he could have been doing it the whole moto and not made the slightest mistake and pay the cost? Don't get me wrong, I like the fact that if you can go out there and run the fastest and give your competition a physical and mental beat down you do it, but sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture. Can't argue with reed with 4 overalls out of 6. Didn't think he would have won more than 2 for the series. I also do miss James and canard. Would have been more interesting with them there. Anyway, just my opinion
OMG how come every week someone jumps on here and asks how a 1-3 beats a 2-2 ??? Seriously WTF lol..
Villo and Dungey are going to shred milville... Reed says he likes the track but I just cant see him running the pace...
Still waiting for a battle.. Can we see some stats for lead changes during a race in the 450's?? It seems only 1 or 2 riders get to lead laps each moto.
Need More Bar Bangin !!!
ABR
lets go back to the old system of the better 2nd moto finish gets the overall when there is a tie. dungey would of had the overall if this were the case. i was there and booooooed reed every lap. i cant stand the arrogant s.o.b.!!!!!
ANYBODY BUT REED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@joshuamccollum my nephew raced am race on sunday, said they didnt prep track @ all
Seriously, you have to have just fallen off the turnip truck to not understand why 1-3 beats 2-2. Hello? 25+20=45 ... 22+22=44. I can't remember a time when that wasn't the case.
And if I have to read too many more times how the guy who has won four out of six overalls isn't even a factor in this series, I may beat myself over the head with my laptop. Naw. I should just stop reading this foolishness.
And I really think they need to do a little track maintenance during the day. I get the whole "let the track get rough" mentality, but we can all see for ourselves that if you're only a little bit faster than the guy ahead of you, there isn't a good enough line to get by him.
Also, those who try to compare motocross to the NFL (or MLB, NBA or NASCAR) really need to come out from under their rock. The viewership, and therefore the advertising dollars, isn’t even in the same broadcasting universe. Don't get me wrong, I'll watch MX over football any day, but we are in the VAST minority. The only one of these channels that would be willing to show the whole thing is FUEL, and I can just IMAGINE the b!tching that would go on from all of you who don't get that little channel. SPEED makes WAY more money from cars (again, not from me), and NBC? Forget about it.
Sometimes it's embarrassing to be a fan of the same sport as some of you.
if you dont remember when a moto score tie was determined not by points but by the better finish in the second moto, you are the one living under a rock!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone ask why a 1-3 beats a 2-2, because people who actually race at local events know that an Olympic style system is used. Where you finish is how many points you get, so the person with the least amount of total points on the day wins. In that type of system a 2-2 ties with a 1-3 because both equal 4, but the victory goes to the 2-2 because of the better finish in the second moto.
@JAIRTIME
Of course it DOESN'T bother me. Because it's said as Bob "Hurricane" Hannah. As most nicknames are, it is an alliteration. However, Blake "el chupacabra" Bagget is not an alliteration and either is Blake "the goat sucker" Bagget. So logically you have to deduce that el chupacabra is intended as a literal depiction of Bagget. Which of course it is not because Bagget does not look like this creature nor does he suck the blood from livestock.
Please educate yourself before you try to insult someone.
that was cool to watch barcia run sunday at redbud in the a class on laroccos 2 stroke honda 250 how many pros do that
The crowd looked a bit off this year. Perhaps Tim is aggravating enough amatuers to drive people away... i.e. you travel 5 hours to race and Tim cancels because turnout is too low for him to make his expected profit margin,, he does it all the time.............
I really should not respond to the imbeciles known as "jairtime" and "whatever is jairtime suks"....but you extremely immature people could not be more incorrect!! I have never been afraid to express my opinion about the loser known as JAIRTIME, and i've done it under my "WHATEVER" name on here!! Your detective work leaves a little to be desired "Whatever is jairtime suks".....i am a little curious to know which one of the regulars YOU really are on here. I could give a shit less anymore what "j-time idiot" says on here anymore, or who he says it about. I think RV is gonna be the guy who slowly starts to creep away with this thing, he was unbelievable in that second moto yesterday, hell the first one too!! If Reed ends up winning it, it will be because of that "C" word.....consistency...i will never again say that consistency isn't key to winning titles......BUT, i think a little luck is thrown in with it, or i guess in this case a little bad luck (Dungey at Freestone).......consistency and that little bit of trouble both Ryans have encountered might just get it done for Skippy!! Good stuff so far!! Happy 4th people!!
@jairtime, so you were in the military, then we salute you! So was that under the "DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL" policy?
In my opinion it would be completely idiotic for Reed to hire Dungey...Why would you pay a guy a huge salary to compete against you and is pretty much the same speed as you and is pretty much just as much of a threat to win the race as you? I know Reed plans to keep this team going even after he retires but why go after a guy that you are battling with every week. Do you want everyone buying twotwo gear to support Dungey? Just seems that it would make more sense for him to go after a 250 guy
Clearly you know a lot about nicknames, RH709. I'm sure I could learn a lot from you on the subject, but I won't hassle you about it now.
Looking over what I wrote, I don't know why you think I insulted you (or tried to insult you), but I promise you I would never intentionally hurt anyone with my words. That's just not my thing, and I apologize if I came off as too aggressive. I hope you don't hold this against me, and I hope that future discourse between us can be more playful in tone, you quaint little dandelion.
Hey "Whatever", good to hear from you. Long time. @villimoto, I disagree with your comments. Reed has won 4 overalls. RV2 and RD1 each with a win. points and overalls show a different view. If Reed was running around in 3rd in both motos, like last week, I would dare say you are right. But he is winning motos and overalls, so its his to lose...
You have to remember with no disrespect ,when a guy calls himself Villomoto,
he will be very biased on his thoughts. Its funny how a lot of posters here seem to think Reed will win the C. To me it appears its going that way and the numbers(results) don't lie. We are already halfway through the season, I dont think he is likely to quit on himself now, besides he having fun. If it had been any other rider in the same position with the same over results, I would have to say they are likely to be the next champion. So lets see how the rest of the season plays out.
@myear, dont be such a pus#y, I was at Red Bud, and had a great trackside experience. If you didnt like it, stay home. Red ud is awesome. It didnt bother me in the least when RV lost his silencer in a crash, It was Awesome watching him go from 37th place to 9th. What a great ride.
And I have to say that I am not a fan of this scoring system. Dont get me wrong, I understand how it works, but a 1-2 is scored exactly the same as a 2-1. Yea, the guy who wins the 2nd moto gets the "overall" but big deal, all it gets you is the bigger trophy.. It doesnt get you a single point. They both get 47 points. How about no points given until after the second moto, and the overall winner gets 25 points, 22 for second and so-on and so-forth. That way the overall actually means something.
@jairtime wrote!.
"@jairtime, so you were in the military, then we salute you! So was that under the "DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL" policy?"
Yes it was. How else would I have been able to stay in the military. Since then though I am out and proud! I will be marrying my life partner in NY in the coming months. So excited.
@motoracerorange
So you booed CR22 at Red Rud every time he came around huh.
Wow... you must be so proud of yourself... A true fan of the sport aren't you.... and to proudly admit that on a forum like this. The depths of utter losers on here continues to amaze me. If it weren't for a few guys who have decent things to say I wouldn't ever bother reading.
Oh and you guys questioning the points system - go buy yourself a calculator and ask mommy for some help! Your lack of basic education is far too evident for all to see so please stop displaying it so freely.
@motoracerorange and MX117 - I would hardly qualify for living under a rock for knowing the difference between local scoring and AMA National scoring, which has been the same for decades. @bd200 - You're trying to rewrite the rulebook. Why is it that in the context of a championship series one moto is worth more than another, just because it came later in the day? GPs don't do it, superbike doubleheaders don't do it. That's not the way it's done. My irritation, though, is with the fact that every race or two, someone comes on and says, "Why does 1-3 beat 2-2?" Read! Absorb! Put down the crack pipe!
The only ones complaining are those who are not happy with Reed being in the points lead. Also congratulation to you jairtime you old dog you, so you are tying the knot. lol
@ villomoto ... speedy reedy is going to do the deedy, bigtireguy and cz mark will probably agree with me
yup!
I know what you are saying sef-- somew guys cant do math. But why is it a big deal to "get the overall" if it doesnt get you any more points if you just swap positions with another rider for 1st and 2nd?? Like RV and Reed did a few weeks ago. The both won a moto, and got 2nd in a moto, and had exactly the same points and Reed got the overall, which really meant nothing except the big trophy.. No more points.
@Whatever, you say if Reed wins this title its because of "consistancy"?? Really?? Considering he has won 4 of the 6 overalls this year. It has a little more to do with him winning than just being consistant. He has the most wins.. Not hard to see that. I know you hate him, but he is fast..
It's true, Reed's proven to be fast. I'm sure he's gotten around Dungey more than Dungey's gotten around him this year, correct? Dungey is now Mr. Consistency, and he has the 2nd place hardware to prove it.
Hey, Dungey, here's an idea: Start your charge on Reed HALF A LAP EARLIER, or don't start it at all.
He could've had Reed, though, if he had railed around the outside (which he did) and then moved back inside to avoid Reed blocking his line. :(
Let me take a crack at this, I'm guessing the guy with the most points at the end of the season, is declared the winner, correct? So I never understand what all the confusion is all about. So does it really matter how he got there, as long as he makes it. We have had some great racing so far, without any runaway championships. This has been the closest it's been for years. Still people are not happy because the rider of their choice is not out front. And the who got what and all the controversy over the overall is getting insane. The rules are system and plain cut, as is the points system. So let the best man win. Give them hell Skippy!
Also looking forward to Southwick so we can get off this page!!!!!!!!
@bd200 - I think the average fan wants to be able to say "such-and-such" won the race today ... thus, the "overall." Long-time devoted fans know that each moto is of equal value, with the rider having the most points through 24 motos being the National Champ.