AlliSports MX Sports GNCC Racing Racer Productions TRP Racer X Shop Racer X Classifieds
close
Racer X Online

The List: Ten Fastest Riders From Florida

Wednesday, March 16, 2011 | 4:25 PM
With the Jacksonville SX this weekend, we thought we would focus The List on the Sunshine State's fastest riders of all time. The first few are no-brainers, but after that, well, the bench-racing gets interesting! With apologies to come very fast folks—from Karl Jordan to Kevin Foley, Jeff Frisz to Vince Devane—here's our top ten.

10. Don “Killer” Kudalski (Coral Springs)
One of the original wild men of motocross, Kudalski was a fierce competitor who rode everything from Honda factory bikes to Rokon motorcycles. Anyone who was around back then knows he was a badass!

9.  Matt Goerke (Lake Helen)
Another man whose career has been slowed by injuries, Goerke did pull it together for one great day at Southwick in 2009. Winning an AMA Motocross National counts for a lot.

8.  Monte McCoy (Pinellas Park)
As we mentioned in Racerhead last week, Monte has a place in history as the last man to win a 500cc AMA Supercross, which he did at the '76 Dallas SX on a Suzuki. He's still out there racing to this day!

undefined
Tichenor was the 1987 East Region SX Champ.
Photo: Moto Verte

7.  Steve Martin (St. Petersburg)
A highly respected privateer in the early '80s, Martin reached the factory level briefly with Honda, then ended up blazing the path to Japan, where he won some titles in an extended career.

6.  Kenny Keylon (Brooksville)
The father of a couple of very fast young riders himself, this former Honda factory rider won the '82 St. Petersburg 125 National. He was one of the best sand riders America ever produced, but a knee injury stopped his career much too early.

5.  Ronnie Tichenor (Palm Harbor) 
The '87 East Region SX Champion and a multi-time Japanese champ, Tichenor enjoyed a long career both here and abroad.

4.  Davi Millsaps (Orlando)
He was an East Region SX champ a few years back, and he's won several races in the premier class, but injuries have kept Millsaps from reaching his full potential.

undefined
Was there really any question?
Photo: Simon Cudby

3.  Tim Ferry (West Palm Beach)
Red Dog never won a major title, but he won some nationals, was a winner for Team USA a couple of times, and has the '97 East Region SX title to his credit over his long career.

2.  James Stewart (Haines City)
He's the all-time best on a 125cc motorcycle, he's won major titles both indoors and out, and he's third on the all-time wins list in SX. If you had to place all your money on one man, for just one fast lap, this is your man.

1.  Ricky Carmichael (Havana)
Easy pick. He's the Greatest of All Time in any state, country, or planet when it comes to motocross: 150 wins, 15 major titles, 10 straight AMA Motocross titles....

Share this article:

Did you like this article?

Check out LONE STAR RISING

in our Latest issue of Racer X available now.
LONE STAR RISING Click to Look Inside

The James Stewart Freestone AMA Spring Classic in Texas has quickly earned a place on the list of must-attend springtime amateur events. Page 182.

Look for the verified symbol Verified

The Conversation

Profile Picture
Mac wrote: 4:28pm March 16, 2011

The fastest man on the planet isn't number one... how's that?

Profile Picture
Picone wrote: 4:31pm March 16, 2011

Can for one the fastest man is RV and to he can't stay off the ground and rides over his head! This championship is over! RV1!

Profile Picture
Fan wrote: 4:32pm March 16, 2011

Maybe because being the best rider doesn't always mean being the fastest for 1 lap

Profile Picture
mxmofo wrote: 4:38pm March 16, 2011

Even RC said that JS was faster than him... But RC was better at winning championships.. The " fastest" and " most consistant " are two different things..

Profile Picture
darren wrote: 4:41pm March 16, 2011

everyone that says villopoto is the fastest man on the planet needs to look at the lap times. yea stewart hits the ground and doesn't win but if you look at his title again it says "the FASTEST man on the planet" not "the most consistent rider on the planet".

Profile Picture
Picone wrote: 4:46pm March 16, 2011

We should just start calling him the fastest to hit the ground!

Profile Picture
ScreaM wrote: 4:49pm March 16, 2011

ten fastest riders list.. and you said Stewart would throw down the fastest lap. Wouldn't that be the fastest rider?

Profile Picture
Ted wrote: 4:50pm March 16, 2011

Picone, thats money. "the fastest man to hit the ground"

Profile Picture
WMX114 wrote: 4:51pm March 16, 2011

What happened to Jessica Patterson?

Profile Picture
LINKIN wrote: 4:54pm March 16, 2011

Adam Cianciarulo is the fastest LLLOL

Profile Picture
Shredder wrote: 4:59pm March 16, 2011

Keylon won a 250 national

Profile Picture
john wrote: 5:00pm March 16, 2011

What good is being fastest for 1 lap?? The mains are 20 laps. And I'm a JS7 fan too.
He just can't do it can he? OUT OF CONTROL FOR 9 YEARS NOW.

Profile Picture
BillC wrote: 5:03pm March 16, 2011

Here we go again!!!

Profile Picture
Mechanix1981 wrote: 5:10pm March 16, 2011

Japan is the reason any of us can argue about this stuff and yet the rhetoric on here continues. Use some energy to pray for the Japanese in this crisis instead of having a D##K measuring contest on a message board.

Profile Picture
kx573 wrote: 5:20pm March 16, 2011

Carmichael was the fastest... James didn't have nothing for him outdoors... Carmichael proved that many times, maybe James is faster indoors but he wasn't outdoors.

Profile Picture
parcans wrote: 5:20pm March 16, 2011

Injuries have held back Millsaps? Food and focus seem to have been his worst enemy. He was one rippin' fast mofo on an RM85 though...

Profile Picture
Randy wrote: 5:32pm March 16, 2011

Why is Carmichael shown as Havana? He was born in Clearwater. If Davi is Orlando, Carmichael is Clearwater!

Profile Picture
Carlsbad wrote: 5:46pm March 16, 2011

Thanks Shredder, I thought I was the only one that noticed that. Kenny got a "works bike for a day" deal and holeshotted the He** out of that race. Second, OMG!! DC, how could you omit Ferry's Summercross win........Matthes is never going to let this go......

Profile Picture
acejas wrote: 5:48pm March 16, 2011

This depends on what the article is listing. Just all out emcompassing speed? James indoors, Ricky outdoors. Speed to the checkers? Ricky. Speed to the Title? Ricky. Okay, anyway you look at it, it's Ricky.

Profile Picture
Rodney wrote: 5:49pm March 16, 2011

Yep, Ricky is the fastest MOTOCROSS racer of all times. When he retired he beat James straight up for 6 straight nationals and then retired. James DID NOT hit the ground or have bad starts all of those races.

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 5:50pm March 16, 2011

@kx573 "Carmichael was the fastest... James didn't have nothing for him outdoors... Carmichael proved that many times, maybe James is faster indoors but he wasn't outdoors."

This is why i keep plastering my stats all over the boards. SOMEBODY has to do it.

Please provide some references, so that we will have some idea of what you are talking about. maybe you should do a little research yourself, before posting such a biased, innaccurate statement.



Profile Picture
trick wrote: 5:52pm March 16, 2011

But rodney, stewart did not need to beat ricky, since he wasn't part of the title chase. If it mattered more, he would have beat a few, i am sure of it.

Profile Picture
Hulsey127 wrote: 5:54pm March 16, 2011

Monte raced the Ricky Carmichael Amateur SX in Daytona two weeks ago.

Profile Picture
L.Gregory wrote: 5:57pm March 16, 2011

Thats a great list, and i agree but, theres a few other guys, that deserve a mention, Kippy Pierce, Karl Jordan, and Mark Murphy were also some fast guys from the 70s and early 80s.

Profile Picture
reality wrote: 6:23pm March 16, 2011

if you got goerke on there , donnie mcgourty was a canadian champion , def fast to

Profile Picture
reality wrote: 6:25pm March 16, 2011

kx 573 thats not completely true at all each one was faster on different tracks

Profile Picture
Tony wrote: 7:16pm March 16, 2011

Anyone remember Keith Olerich or Glenn "killer" Lofley. He was the closest thing to Danny Magoo Chandler that I ever saw.

Profile Picture
MooseInJax wrote: 7:36pm March 16, 2011

Man, I can't believe you guys left me (the Flying-Moose!) off this list! }8-)

Profile Picture
Ryan 93 wrote: 7:43pm March 16, 2011

James Stewart is the fastest and Ricky Carmichael even said it. RC4 might be the best in that list but JS7 is the fastest

Profile Picture
Josh wrote: 7:48pm March 16, 2011

I totally agree. James never beat Ricky in a title chase. Even outdoors in 2007 when RC was part time. James only won 2 first motos, Ricky won the rest, and EVERY overall.
Bottom line is James looks alot faster, now that #4 is gone.

Profile Picture
MWS02 wrote: 7:53pm March 16, 2011

IMO- disrespecting Kyle Chisholm isn't on that list.

Profile Picture
Birdman wrote: 8:16pm March 16, 2011

You fools who can't seem to get enough of JS' butt sweat, why are you so hung up on him? He is very talented and awesome to watch but RC is plain and simple the fastest, best, hardest working motocrosser ever; why else would the entire moto community refer to him at the GOAT. JS isn't even in the same class as RC. Fifteen national titles to JS' 5, come on.

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 8:24pm March 16, 2011

2009
AMA/FIM Supercross Series Champion
U.S. Open of Supercross Champion
2008
AMA National Motocross Champion. "Perfect Season" winning 24 of 24 races.
Bercy SX - "King of Bercy" Champion
Motorcross of Nations - Championship Team Member
2007
AMA Supercross Series Champion, winning 13 times on the season.
2006
James won the "World Supercross GP", and narrowly missed winning the AMA Supercross Series Championship by two points. Stewart helped Team USA take the overall victory at the Motocross of Nations. At the U.S. Open in Las Vegas, he won both races and the overall title.
2005
Stewart won his first Supercross race at Texas Stadium in Dallas TX. He also had main event wins at Seattle and Houston.
2004
Stewart dominated, winning 18 of the 20 AMA 125 East Supercross and 125 Motocross races. He also set a new record for the most career AMA 125 Supercross and Motocross professional wins with 47.
2003
Stewart won 15 of the 17 races he entered and clinched his first AMA 125 Supercross West title. He suffered a broken collarbone at the East/West AMA Supercross shootout in Las Vegas in May.
2002
Stewart became the youngest rider to ever win an AMA 125 Supercross race (16 yrs., 21 days) and AMA Motocross 125 Motocross Championship (16 yrs., 247 days). He also broke the record for most 125 Supercross wins (14), 125 Motocross wins (10), and most consecutive 125 Motocross wins (8) in a single season. Stewart was named 2002 AMA Rookie of the Year

i can cut and paste all day you boys just keep it comin.

Profile Picture
Old Timer wrote: 9:24pm March 16, 2011

Glad to see Ronnie Tichenor mentioned, hung with him and his dad at MX Of Nations a few years ago...both great guys. RC is and always will be the fastest man on the planet, not JS as much as he tries to claim that title.

Profile Picture
PShaw wrote: 9:27pm March 16, 2011

Trick, All of Stewart's accomplishments are awesome and very impressive, certainly one of the best riders ever, and I've been watching this sport since the mid '70's, but none of that compares to what Carmichael has done and you know it.

Profile Picture
Mark Hickerson wrote: 9:41pm March 16, 2011

Can't believe they left out Mark Murphy. Dude was factory yamaha. WHat's up!

Profile Picture
Picone wrote: 9:41pm March 16, 2011

@trick

In your stats you put Stewart won 14 125 supercross races in one season? Come on buddy even if you are going to suck on his nuts, at least don't try to lie about stats!

Profile Picture
chams wrote: 10:14pm March 16, 2011

No kyle chis? He has been so consistent throughout his career when he races (other than the injuries he suffers) and he manages to improve pretty much ever race

Profile Picture
Carlsbad wrote: 10:16pm March 16, 2011

Undefeated in a title defense. Championship won every year of his career. Never took a "SX only" contract. These are the stats of a G.O.A.T. candidate. Imaginary titles aside, James Stewart will NEVER outdo Ricky Carmichael, plain and simple. I hope this settles any confusion.

Profile Picture
sec114 wrote: 10:26pm March 16, 2011

i did not know milsaps was living in orlando; thought he grew up in south georgia. in that case, rv lives part time just outside orlando area as well as alessi just north of jacksonville, as well as a host of others in the past 5 or so years.

Profile Picture
Carlsbad wrote: 10:31pm March 16, 2011

Also, if James Stewart is SO fast, why hasn't he lapped up to 2nd place in a race like GOAT has?

If James Stewart is so fast, why are all the records left by his peers still safely intact?

If James Stewart is so fast, why would Team USA not need his services?


There is a logical explanation for all of these questions, just don't ask if you're a Stewart groupie.

Profile Picture
Muth wrote: 10:47pm March 16, 2011

They are listing Florida racers here people. yes, Davi grew up in Orlando. Florida rules in sx and mx. Keep up the good work.

Profile Picture
@carlsbad wrote: 10:55pm March 16, 2011

are you kidding me about the lapping up to 2nd place, i was at the race and rc didn't get stuck in the river, ur stupid if you think that is a display of some sort of speed...

he will pass carmichael on the sx wins list, then what will you say? dumbshit

he didn't ride outdoors in time, ur an idiot

u really sound like you know nothing, keep talking

rc is god, we know that, but 7 is the next best hands down...

Profile Picture
Carlsbad wrote: 11:10pm March 16, 2011

Hey @carlsbad, why is it that all of the stewart fans resort to foul language and berating of others to make their points? Because they lack the ability to effectively communicate their points. Please go back to your Xbox and reruns of bubbas world, the grown-ups are talking. Maybe go back and try to graduate high school or take an adult education class.

I will continue to "keep talking" and others will value my input while you, my broken, maladjusted, mouth-breathing, intellectual underling will do much better to remain silent and have others think you a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt.

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 11:20pm March 16, 2011

and when did i say it did, jojo ? don't put words in my mouth. anybody out there, show me one of my posts where i claimed that stewart was better than carmichael. And picone, dont talk that way, or your mother will take your computer privelges away for good. and you know she will do it too.

and i didnt write it, i copied it from a website. so, why don't you contribute some wealth to the forums, rather than acting so cool, and calling other people names on a computer.

Profile Picture
motorhead wrote: 11:22pm March 16, 2011

Anyone remember the florida winter series? That was some good $h!t !
I dont wanna hear from the "bubba" is faster on lap 3 but he can't win the race/overall crowd,oh yeah,like any of those newbies know what the florida winter series is...

Profile Picture
Pao wrote: 11:33pm March 16, 2011

Imagine if you would ad the 500cc championships that ended before his time, RC would have a lot more championships than he already does.

Profile Picture
mxjoe99 wrote: 12:22am March 17, 2011

If you had to place all your money on one man, for just one fast lap, this is your man. JS7

Too bad races aren't for 1 fast lap!

Stats are great! Who has them this year? RV2 that's who! I only wish CP377 and Weimer were healthy. So here is a question, Where would they be in the series points?

Here is what I think

1 rv2
2 CP377
3 js7
4 Weimer
5 CR22
6 rd5
7 TC41

Don't need any feedback, Place your top 7. This should be fun...

Profile Picture
jairtime wrote: 12:23am March 17, 2011

Back in the '70s there was a fast Florida pro named Jimmy Fitzgerald. Sometimes fast guys don't get to all the right races to get noticed by the right people. He used to haul ass. Just thought I'd mention him.

Profile Picture
jairtime wrote: 12:25am March 17, 2011

Hey! Kenny Keylon smoked everybody at the Lake Whitney 250 National one year, I was there. He was riding a Honda.

Profile Picture
Rabbit wrote: 12:44am March 17, 2011

psssssssssssssstttttttttttttttttt................bring it in close there folks.West of California and east of New York is a place called the world. This faraway place is actually bigger than the whole of America.
RC never raced outside the US in a series (other than MXDN). How can you say he is the GOAT of any country ??????

Profile Picture
rainmanx wrote: 1:07am March 17, 2011

Rabbit, America is the world. Everyone knows it, so the very best come here from across the two ponds to test their skills and see if they really measure up. Most fail, a few have succeded, but none of them could every touch the GOAT. One thing everyone agrees on (except you) is that he deserves the respect and the moniker.

Profile Picture
DYE55 wrote: 1:45am March 17, 2011

first of all I think this is a great top 10. Yeah there is not a lot of names up there that should be, but come on! We are from Florida! There have been soo many fast guys through here we would need a top 100. I also agree with everyone about js7 being the fastest man alive for some laps, but at most races the fastest lap isnt what wins the race but the most consistent!!! I think someone should do this advertisement in a mag.... The Tortoise (2) and the Hare (7) and old wise tale of course but such a true fact in the 2 vs. 7 situtation!!!

Profile Picture
WFO_UFO wrote: 2:15am March 17, 2011

That is one fast mother fuukkkin Tortoise.

Profile Picture
KG wrote: 2:59am March 17, 2011

I must have missed the ceremony on SPEED TV last year.

Anyone know when/where they give out the giant trophy and #1 plate for 'The FASTEST Man on The Planet' ? Vegas? Hangtown? Red Bud?

chirp chirp............, chirp chirp............, chirp chirp............, chirp chirp............

JS7..., FASTEST MAN...!? Not hardly... (and who really cares anyway.)

Nothing but an Empty Title.

Unless of course you really 'own it' & you're the original 'DEAD DOG'...
ANDY GREEN, the real 763.035 mph FASTEST MAN ON THE PLANET.

Profile Picture
Pierre wrote: 3:52am March 17, 2011

Well, If topic is "FASTEST rider ever" rider i think all agree on putting James Stewart on top, even Carmichael himself says Stewart is fastest. But if you wanna arrange in order of "BEST rider ever" the list would suit pretty well. Since carmichael has more achivements.

But stupid putting stewart on 2nd, nobody can put down the laps that he can.

Profile Picture
prmxracer wrote: 8:11am March 17, 2011

WFO_UFO, that was friggin funny! I was kinda thinking the same thing. I wish I had half the speed of that tortoise

Profile Picture
Cma671 wrote: 8:12am March 17, 2011

Why can't we all sit back and watch the fastest men on the planet. We all wish we were one of them but most of us aren't. Yes Ricky and James are the fastest two guys to ever throw a leg over a motorcycle on any planet. I just wish the goat was still racing, he is amazing to watch and he IS the best rider to ever be born. James is right under him and very close but with no where near as many championships! Just sit back and enjoy, before long we will be wishing James was still racing.

Profile Picture
NikolaTesla wrote: 8:13am March 17, 2011

Gotta throw my two cents in. I traveled to a lot of races in Carmichaels career, SX and MX, especially in the years when he was racing Stewart.Stewart never had anything for Ricky outdoors. The worst was 07' @ HiPoint. Ricky had a triple triple combo and a huge double that nobody else would do. James tried the double once but couldn't do it after that, and he never tried the triple triple. The only other person to try either jump was Millsaps. I could give a lot of other examples but most of us already know the history. Trick, I have some homework for you. In races where Ricky and Bubba went head to head outdoors what percentage of those races did Ricky win? Just curious, I know your the man to look it up.

Profile Picture
moto153 wrote: 8:51am March 17, 2011

To say that Stewart never had anything for Carmichael outdoors is not exactly true. I watched them battle bar to bar for the entire race at Redbud. They ended up splitting the motos, due to a small mistake on each of their parts. This shows the intensity of both of their racing. (Carmichael took the over-all since his win was in the second moto.) There is no doubt that #4 did win the majority of the time, but Stewart was a strong challenge for him.

I respect the heck out of both of their speed and abilities.

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 8:52am March 17, 2011

Nikola, I never said that stewart was better than ricky, outdoors. I only said that the comment "Stewart never had anything for Ricky outdoors" is an untrue exaggeration. Stewart never got a single win against ricky, in 2005 outdoors , on that 250 2-stroke. But in 2006 outdoors, he did beat ricky in his very first try, on the 450 4-stroke. At that point, ricky had been undefeated outdoors, for more than two years. I will do some more detailed research, on that 2006 outdoor season. I know that ricky won most of them, but stewart still gave him more of a challenge, than any other rider in rickys entire career.

Profile Picture
endoman wrote: 9:00am March 17, 2011

Hey, we used to be the ones to vote for these guys. What's up with that?

Profile Picture
eastcoast880 wrote: 9:30am March 17, 2011

what about anthony pocorobba?

he was always making the main in sx & mx consistently for a number of years

what ever happened to that guy?

Profile Picture
rickxter wrote: 9:43am March 17, 2011

Third on the all-time wins list in SX, Perfect MX season, Most tittles on a 125cc, Was able to beat RC on his first ever mx race in the big class, beat RC in Orlando in RC's last SX race were in the interview RC said he rode his best ever... AND THE GUY CRASHES 50% OF THE TIME!!! WOW Amazing acomplisment!!

Profile Picture
wrote: 10:10am March 17, 2011

Wasn't Brian Swink from Florida? Or maybe it was Michigan.....

Profile Picture
wrote: 10:12am March 17, 2011

Dont forget all of Stewies amateur titles as well......just sayin. A lot of people dump on him but he has done a lot....lots of crashing too, but thats why he is who he is......he loves the sport....he loves the fans.....and he loves to haul ass.....nobody likes to crash.....

Profile Picture
NikolaTesla wrote: 10:36am March 17, 2011

I agree that Stewart gave RC the best challenge that anyone could, and I should say there were a lot of times when Stewart had nothing for him, but there were times when Stewart made some real good challenges. I think it is fair to say that RC dominated everyone outdoors, even James. There were times when Windham stepped up against RC but I don't think anyone is going to argue that he is as good as the GOAT.

Profile Picture
Clint wrote: 10:45am March 17, 2011

The night before RC's last SX race His wife just gave birth to twins. He was up all night and then gave Stewart a race for his money. I'm sure RC would have liked to win that race, but to say that is a notch on Stewart's belt is wrong. RC would still be winning championships today.

Profile Picture
mxmofo wrote: 10:46am March 17, 2011

But RC was on a 250, and KW was on a 450. Thats why KW was able to challenge RC a few times.

Profile Picture
mxmofo wrote: 10:48am March 17, 2011

RC would NOT be winning championships today, C'mon now,, lets be realistic.

Profile Picture
acejas wrote: 12:06pm March 17, 2011

Of course he would. He's twice the man he used to be!

Profile Picture
clint wrote: 12:38pm March 17, 2011

Maybe not if he has health issues, but if not he would. He is only a few years older than Reed. Outdoors he would have it.

Profile Picture
Java wrote: 12:49pm March 17, 2011

Championships don't lie. Everything else is just coulda/woulda/shoulda.

Profile Picture
NikolaTesla wrote: 1:35pm March 17, 2011

You are absolutely right, Java!

Profile Picture
etoney37 wrote: 2:11pm March 17, 2011

well yes, of course Ricky Carmichael is going to get the fastest award. He destroyed stewart in outdoors even when stew kept it on two wheels. carmichael was faster in nationals and outdoors is the true origin of motocross ,so to most legit racers it means more to be fast outdoors than indoors. also he and stew were pretty dang close in supercross.

Profile Picture
mxmofo wrote: 2:25pm March 17, 2011

etoney,, I agree wth you about the Nationals being the true origin of motocross.. What sucks is that SX pays way more money. RC was pretty close to JS in SX,,, when the whoops were easy.

Profile Picture
253 wrote: 2:57pm March 17, 2011

I would have been very upset if it hadnt been RC. You cant be the best layin on the ground (JS7)!!!

Profile Picture
newt109 wrote: 3:04pm March 17, 2011

um charmicheal is a girl the only reason he left is because he new he was gonna get his but kicked the next year no one just retires he was 24 and he said he was gettin to old please look and windham RC lft caue he was gonna get beat and to the ppl that say james isnt fast out doors he had a perfect season outdoors did RC do that no

Profile Picture
mxmofo wrote: 3:07pm March 17, 2011

newt109,,, Just what are you smoking ???? I would like to try it...

Profile Picture
Marcel wrote: 3:18pm March 17, 2011

Woh wars the fastet rider in the Qualis??!!!???!?!!?!?!?

................. KEN ROCZEN from EastGermany!!!!!!;-)

Profile Picture
David Langford wrote: 3:22pm March 17, 2011

Trik, RC was way better at sx than JS, he won more races than JS in 5 seasons than JS did in six,48 wins to 38, it is still 48 to 40 and this is season seven for James- the season that James won the world series, RC had a dnf due to a broken shock. James has hurt more other riders than RC by far in much less time. RCs total wins is still double what James is, and I like them both,get real man !!!!!

Profile Picture
Urban wrote: 4:15pm March 17, 2011

I thought Ferry won an outdoor title without even winning an overall that year?

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 4:57pm March 17, 2011

get real yourself david, the only season that they raced each other in sx, on 450's, stewart had 8 wins to ricky's 6. R/c began in 250/450 sx, in 1999, that is 8 years not 5. And r/c's broken shock, was a result of him casing a triple, not just bad luck. Stewart's bike would not start until the end of the race, at round 7, that was not his fault. Why dont you dig up some dirt on stewart, and show us some magazine clips and u-tubes, so that we can all understand what you mean by stewart 'hurting other riders' more than r/c. And most of all, show me one of my previous posts, where i had said that stewart was better than r/c.

Profile Picture
nic mcnenly wrote: 5:10pm March 17, 2011

I like how someone like trick will find a forum and post incorrect data. I thought the list was put together well. Even with all the nifty stats, Stewart doesn't compare that closely. Overall numbers don't lie. I don't get how people can hate so much on something put together by a guy or a team of guys who have been around the racing industry forever. To disagree is one thing, but to argue with people while using a name like trick is ridiculous. Then again, maybe someone was hitting the st. patty's day sauce a little early this morning. Thanks for the entertaining read.

Profile Picture
moto153 wrote: 5:12pm March 17, 2011

Java wrote: "Championships don't lie. Everything else is just coulda/woulda/shoulda."

Sooooo..... What you are saying is that Ryan Dungey is the "FOAT" (Fastest Of All Time). After all how many championships has he won in the last few years including Des Nations? (About a thousand!) Refresh my memory on how he is doing this year. How many wins so far?

Actually, I am not bagging on Dungey. I like him alot. What I am saying is that things arn't always a black and white as we may like to think.


Profile Picture
moto153 wrote: 5:15pm March 17, 2011

BTW... If anyone gets labeled the "FOAT" now, I think they should pay me royalties. :)

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 5:18pm March 17, 2011

nic i did not understand your post at all. and is it st pattys day already?

Profile Picture
Cma671 wrote: 5:19pm March 17, 2011

Newt109 RC had two perfect seasons outdoors! Did u just start following Mx or something?

Profile Picture
DAVID LANGFORD wrote: 5:22pm March 17, 2011

TRICK, rc only entered 7 sx seasons, js is in his seventh,JS hurt Tedesco, preston,windham,mcgrath,thomas,RC,and more by his mistakes on track.In rnd seven it was JS fault he killed the bike now wasn't it? we don't know when Rc broke the shock collar but RC said he thinks it was when he was hit at the start, which would explain why he didn't make the triple wouldn't it, by the way I was there and Roger decoster told me he was convinced that was what happened, hey I like them both , getreal !!!

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 5:41pm March 17, 2011

ok david, and thank you for not calling me any names. and please be more specific with your allegations. what exactly happened with preston, windham, and mcgrath?
I dont understand why you tell me to get real. i am posting text, copied from real articles, and posting u tubes. what are you doing ?

Profile Picture
mr.g says wrote: 5:44pm March 17, 2011

Irish car bombs for everyone!

Profile Picture
nic mcnenly wrote: 5:53pm March 17, 2011

Oh, and Newt, Carmichael did have a perfect season....twice.

Profile Picture
David langford wrote: 6:07pm March 17, 2011

Trick, its cool dude, I'm going by memory,I'm not a name caller just love the sport and this forum. Js cleaned out preston,windham,and mcgrath in 05 and 06 races just coming through the pack and hitting them so hard they wrecked. preston was in toronto I believe right after Js hit reed went off the track and reentered without looking back while preston was in the air, hurting JS ankle and downing preston. I am a fan of JS but he has really hurt a lot of people so far by being a little to much in a hurry, mostly himself I might add. I really like almost all the racers now I think they are a really good group and it kills me when people say certain riders suck, when I know they are all incredible riders and mostly awesome sportsmen with a huge desire to win. I race and have sponsered a pro racer and love this sport, great season isn't it, got to walk the 1st lakewood national track with windham and his daughter, pitted riders at a lot of them, sat with decoster in st lois while he was coaching RC and in pheonix last year, got to spend time with JS dad, he's really cool...... damn this is a good season isn't it

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 6:19pm March 17, 2011

you said : "preston was in toronto I believe right after Js hit reed went off the track and reentered without looking back while preston was in the air, hurting JS ankle and downing preston.

://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3TOIfy85s

At 5:58 in: Toronto 2006. Reed and stewart battling hard for the win, on lap seventeen. Reed hits stewart's bike from behind, coming up the face of the finish line double. Stewart goes off the track, and is blindsided by the huge jump to his right, which is the second jump of the double, (The only flagman that I can see in this video, is standing on the first jump, there is no flagman on the second one). Stewart has just gotten his ass punted off the track, by his old buddy Reed, and now it is ON, with three laps to go ! ! So, he pulls out onto the track, and pursues reed to the finish. However, preston does not see him, until he is already in the air, and hits stewart upon landing. Note that this is the infamous incident, which branded stewart as being a careless rider, who will just 'pull out onto the track, without even looking'. Does anyone know of any other u-tubes of him pulling out onto a race track ?

So, your account, varys a bit from what actually happened. So, what about the others? can you dig up some more info?. so far, no one has provided any proof , only their 'memory'.
but, you sound like a cool guy david, no hard feelings.



Profile Picture
dts#46 wrote: 6:30pm March 17, 2011

Fastest Floridians #15 Mark Murphy (fort myers) & The man Paul Murphy RIP.

Profile Picture
david langford wrote: 6:37pm March 17, 2011

Trick, I am laughing at you right now mr facts, u r correct about the reed JS part, however I was focused on the JS/ careless riding w preston,he did pull out in front of preston and that was his fault, I believe this has hurt James more than anyone, and I have felt his incredible speed has been hampered by many moves he has made with this type of inattention, I am a fan of his but a realist wishing he would quit making so many little mistakes that have cost him dearly. I also hate it when he goes down because all those impacts are adding up and its going to really catch up to him, I don't want him or any rider hurt. I don't remember the races but have them on bar to bar where he took out mcgrath and windham and it was totally his fault and unnecassary, he was definatly faster but was in too much of a hurry and went down himself too with mcgrath for sure, its been awhile but I'm suprised you don't remember. later dude you r obiously a fan too which makes you cool w me !!!

Profile Picture
bd200 wrote: 7:34pm March 17, 2011

the STEWTARDS on here kill me.. What else does RC have to prove. 10 STRAIGHT National Championships. End of story. If Stewie was faster, he would have gotten to the finish first.. He didnt because he was riding over his head trying to catch RC. Not sure how the Stewtards can even argue the point. Its why RC i9s called THE GOAT, by everyone in the moto world..

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 8:40pm March 17, 2011

david please explain to us what stewart should have done in the preston incident. how would r/.c have handled it?

Profile Picture
bubbakush wrote: 11:54pm March 17, 2011

stewarts first 2 years in the premeire class were carmichaels last 2. how can you possibly compare those 2? if you want to do that what about carmichaels first 2 years in sx class? always picking his ass off the ground and finishing 10th and 5th. the only reason he won his first years outdoors was because he was racing against mc who was so soft outdoors and the ferrys and laroccos and windham who today are like the shorts, millsaps and again windham. bubba brought true competition to carmichael, the rest of rc career was like mike tysons career, all other wins were against a bunch of bums!

Profile Picture
HipHopStewieFlops wrote: 12:05am March 18, 2011

Stewart is a careless and wreckless individual coming through the pack! He has taken out numerous riders on numerous occasions. He puts other people at risk all because of his enormous ego! Let's make a small list. McGrath 2.Windham 3.Partridge 4.Carmichael 5.Reed 6.Thomas 7.Preston just to name a few! He is a fast, careless and wreckless rider! Oh but everyone boo who's win Reed goes for a W and takes both of them out! Think about it! He is no Carmichael nor a McGrath, NEVER will be! He is NOT the fastest rider on the planet that is a media stamped tag they put on him. Outdoors is all about sheer speed and fitness Stewart never had nothing for R.C..........Consistently! 1 moto maybe but the sun shines on every dogs butt every now and again!

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 1:03am March 18, 2011

" McGrath 2.Windham 3.Partridge 4.Carmichael 5.Reed 6.Thomas 7.Preston just to name a few! He is a fast, careless and wreckless rider!"

why dont you clip some articles, and find some u tubes, so we can all understand what a careless, 'wreckless' rider he is.

i think that your hate has gotten the best of you.

Profile Picture
david langford wrote: 1:23am March 18, 2011

come on trick, 99% of the riders look back before reentering the track,like RC did many times,James didn't

Profile Picture
trick wrote: 1:39am March 18, 2011

it sounds like just an 'opinion' david, unless you can back it up with some documentation, i dont know exactly what you are talking about. .Surely there must be some proof of it somewhere? So, why cant anybody find it????

Profile Picture
kdepalma wrote: 8:12am March 18, 2011

bubbakush.. RC never raced against MC in the outdoors in the 250 class. Last year MC rode the nationals full time, was in 98'. RC was still dominating in the 125 class.
RC was supposed to ride the 99' outdoors on a 250.. Because of his many crash's in 99'.. He decided to remain in the 125 class... Which was a smart move by the way by RC.
Also bear in mind... Rewinding back in 99'... MC initiated the SX only contract... Plus, the coverage of SX was on a far more superior level than MX...
Nevertheless... RC loved the outdoors, and what he has achieved will always stand.. Whether there was a strong field or not... He won 7 championship in a row... Which is a achievement never to be beaten.

Profile Picture
kdepalma wrote: 8:26am March 18, 2011

HipHopStewieFlops... Who cares about being careless? I think Stewie is part of the same breed of riders who went really, really fast. I remember RC first yr in the 250 class back in 99'. He would post impressive qualifying times.. Just mind boggling!! And everyone said.. RC keeps it on two wheels.. He will be unbeatable.
RC was smarter to control his speed.. And he said it himself.. He learned how to slow down to become fast. Stewie just does not get this.
But in the past.. There were reckless riders... Bradhsaw was one.. Ask the riders back in the 90's how they thought about him.. They hated the guy.. Ha,ha.. But he sure was spectacular to watch and FUN!
Reed is also another case.. He is very aggressive.. And I remember when he was making a name for himself back in 03' & 04' especially.. How many times did I read Reed being criticized... RC was not riding in 04'.. Reed is a crybaby blabla..? And if I had to believe the magasines.. RC & Reed were never the best of friends.. But RC remained the ever professional.
If only people knew.. Reed's mother is part aboriginal.. ha,ha.. He's just fortunate to have the right colour.. ha,ha
Do not like Reed.. But he is good and has loads of talent... And he achieved more success than a JMB on the US continent. He brought some well needed colour to the sport.

Profile Picture
Snowman wrote: 9:51am March 18, 2011

Congratulations Everyone!!! We have officially ruined Racer-X comments section. Every friggin' conversation leads back to James Stewart being the FMOTP.

I have never in my life seen people argue over semantics with such aplomb and passion. People are arguing over their interpretation of the word "fastest" ...lol... It's ridiculous.

I think you're all wrong anyway, I think Travis Pastrana is the "fastest" man on a dirtbike, even RIGHT NOW... But of course, he's only "fastest" for about 30-seconds before he gets tired and has to back-flip into a foam pit for a nap...

When you use "fastest" in any context, it has to point to a subject. And since that subject is always different and open to interpretation, you can use it any way you want. But "fastest" cannot be quantified. You cannot even with extensive scientific analysis say for certain that someone is the "fastest" and leave it open to interpretation.

I would say the REAL "fastest man on the planet" is probably whatever US Air Force test pilot is currently involved in the top secret testing of the next super fighter...Of course, technically, he's only the FMOTP while he's standing on the ground... so is he really ever the "fastest" ....

See how silly this is? You people are arguing over your definition and interpretation on how a WORD is being applied to describe a person. How freaking LAME...

I though you guys were all "cool" and "hip" hard-core motocross racers.... you guys eat roost and peel blisters off your hands.... take gnarly hits and launch dirt bikes across massive gaps.... wow.... to read some of this stuff I'd think rather it was a bunch of 12 year old girls arguing over whether Justin Bieber looks better in blue or red....

If James want's to call himself the FMOTP ....whatever... I don't care and neither should anyone else. I think it's kind of funny.... He can call himself whatever he wants...it doesn't mean he's right.... I'm going to start calling myself the "fastest fat man on a Suzuki" .... take that ....you can't prove me wrong because if a faster fat man comes along I'll just change my moniker to "fastest fat man on a Suzuki with blue goggles" ....ha.... we can do this all year....

Profile Picture
TC249 wrote: 1:11pm March 18, 2011

Millsaps is from GA.

Profile Picture
SCOOP wrote: 2:53pm March 18, 2011

Mark Murphy , 1984 - 500cc MX National Championship Series, 4th overall and placed in the top 10 overall a number of times

Profile Picture
brocky2727 wrote: 3:41pm March 18, 2011

So with exception of the top 3 riders on the list, Florida hasn't produced much...

Profile Picture
david wrote: 12:05am April 19, 2011

Monte McCoy was incredible and had style that had never been seen in the 1970's

Profile Picture
dmorgan817 wrote: 4:46pm November 6, 2011

What about Greg Ferrell?

Profile Picture
WhoWinsMostWinsRoast wrote: 2:06pm May 29, 2012

James gonna gain at lease 10 more titles before his career is out...just saying

Profile Picture
Grinder wrote: 2:28pm September 11, 2012

You forgot one of the fastest!!! Joey Gratton (RIP)
Not only was he an incredible motocross rider back in the 70's, but transferred that talent into a World Championship offshore boat racer.

Look for the verified symbol Verified

Sign In to leave a reply



Sign in with your account from

  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • Google
  • Yahoo!
  • AOL
  • MySpace
  • OpenID

Sign up now | Forgot your password?