Racer X Race Report: Daytona
Sunday, March 6, 2011 | 12:40 AM
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PrintThings are still happening in rapid-fire fashion in AMA Supercross. Each time you think things are going to settle down, the series fires off another quick change. But one thing remains the same--the problems seem to happen around Monster Energy Kawasaki’s Ryan Villopoto, but rarely to him. And after tonight’s Daytona Supercross by Honda, he’s built a big points lead. In rapid-fire fashion.
In Daytona, early, San Manuel Red Bull Yamaha’s James Stewart threatened to make things boring. He grabbed the holeshot and laid down hyper-fast laps, while Villopoto quickly got to second. It would have been reasonable to expect a duel between Stewart and RV, but it didn’t happen, as Stewart just took off. Then, just as quickly as he built the lead, he was off the bike.
All alone, Stewart jumped front-end down on a triple and went over the bars hard on the landing. He hit the deck hard, but his Yamaha landed on its wheels and kept rolling, eventually launching the next triple all by itself. Stewart got up limping, and had a long walk over to his machine. The Asterisk medic crew tried to attend to him, but he shook them off and got back into the running in dead last.
In a wild season, Ryan Villopoto is the first to grab control of supercross.
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Stewart was on the gas early and late, but a bump in the road cost him a bunch of points.
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Villopoto simply maintained his pace out front. “I was just kind of running my pace, and he was on it on those first few laps,” said Villopoto. “I figured I was just going to stay there, and he was either going to stay on it, or maybe he would go down.”
Once Villopoto had the lead, he would face no other threats. Muscle Milk Toyota JGR’s Davi Millsaps ran second ahead of Red Bull KTM’s Andrew Short, then Chad Reed caught the gang on his TwoTwo Motorsports Bel-Ray Honda. Later Ryan Dungey caught then, too, leading to a four-rider battle.
Trey Canard went down early and again late, resulting in a 13th place finish.
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Chad Reed hung tough for second.
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Short had a few mistakes at the mid-point of the race, and Reed and Dungey were able to fight past Millsaps but never make a serious run toward Villopoto. Reed held on for a solid second and move within one point of Stewart for second in the standings.
Rockstar Makita Suzuki’s Dungey survived for third on a rough night. It started well as he fended off Villopoto for the lead in his heat race, but then his bike suddenly let go. Dungey DNFed the heat race and had to qualify through the LCQ, leaving him with a terrible gate pick. He managed a decent start in the main but couldn’t close on Reed or Villopoto down the stretch.
For a few moments in his heat race, it looked like it could be Ryan Dungey's breakthrough night.
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Short mounted a comeback and got past Millsaps for fourth. Millsaps’ teammate Justin Brayton came through next, with GECIO Honda’s Kevin Windham and Red Bull KTM’s Ken Roczen seventh and eighth. Stewart pulled off a miraculous comeback for ninth, he was nearly a lap down when he got going again, but Villopoto never got around him. Mike Alessi rounded out the top ten on another Red Bull KTM.
Honda’s Trey Canard had a rough main event, crashing early, and then getting tangled with Brett Metcalfe when Metty swapped in a rough section. Canard took 13th and Metcalfe 18th.
In SX Lites, Blake Baggett finally capitalized on his early-season speed and delivered a win in dominant fashion. The Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki rider grabbed the holeshot and checked out early, seemingly never putting a wheel wrong. GEICO Powersports Honda’s Justin Barcia ran second but never mounted a serious challenge to Baggett. Barcia is riding with two broken bones in his wrist after last week's practice crash. Barcia had an early challenge from Ryan Sipes on a DNA Shred Stix Yamaha, but eventually the pack spread out on a track that clearly sapped everyone’s energy.
After two podiums in the first two rounds, Baggett went to the box in the top spot this time.
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Justin Barcia scored solid points for second.
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Ryan Sipes pressured Barcia early and took third.
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Dean Wilson had a terrible night, crashing early and bending his clutch lever upwards. It took him several laps to pound the lever back into reach, and then he started climbing through the pack and reached eighth. This puts Barcia back into sole possession of the points lead.
The series heads to Indy next weekend, with the field of would-be title contenders needing to rally against Villopoto in the second half of the series.
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Wow! Another crazy week. The Stewart haters are loving the last two weeks. I was looking forward to Stewart redeeming himself after last week. Stewart was about to smoke everyone until that horrible crash. I didn't think he was going to finish the race much less get a 9th place finish.
I think Stewart just might be in hole too deep to dig out of. Stewart just doesn't look right this season. I don't know if he's distracted by all of his side projects or what but he's obviously not the same rider. This guy is going to have to cut down on the mistakes if he wants to win.
I think this week he was coming out with something to prove and went back to his old run and gun style. After tonight's race Stewart has no choice but to go for it every race or he can forget about the championship. Congrats to RV for winning. He's been the most consistent rider. RV is definitely in the driver's seat.
HAHAHAHA Stewart's rear fender!!!! Total C rider. Way too funny. Crash and burn.....crash and burn.
At first, I thought Eric G typed Stewart re-creamed himself, not redeemed. Stewart might be fast, but it is doubtful he could plan a redemption out of a paper bag.
js7 shows what it takes to beat him. He is taking pastrana like beatings and getting up and pretty much backflipping the track knocked out. He'll get up last and finish 9th. RC says there's no hope for him scoring points. The guy does not stop.
Hey Nic...way to cheapen one of the most inspiational comeback rides ever...i can't understand why idiots like you post such dense comments. Way to go! Kook!
Stewart was dominating. Seems Reeds intentional takeout had the intentional psychological effect of *****ing with James stewart gameplan.
I agree...Nicolai is not even an American! The guy is a Polish weanie! Ban him please!!!!
@Dungey#1fan, Yeah after last week I think Bubba was so focused on trying to get out front to get as far away from Reed as possible. He was riding crazy fast. When i saw him making that jump on else could i had a bad feeling he was going to eat it at some point. Problem with this fall is he may have dug a hole too deep to come out of.
looks like I'm buying that helmet right beside me. mmmtorstanHallmanoriganalll
Sterwart might have made a mstake but there is no way it can be denied how F&*%$! fast his is twentieth to ninth its just the facts he might have some catch up yo do but he is the man to do it RV may be up front right now but racing is racing anything can happen to any one
looks dangerously dark out there. glad baggett won
WOW, I'm not Stewart (much anymore since he and Kawasaki parted ways) but come on, seriously? All of you bashing him for an accident? Not like he was reckless or too aggressive. He got a bad take off and if any of you know, it can happen very easily. Then again, most who are bashing a "Top" rider probably never rode more than your bicycle.
Give it a rest!! I'm all the way an RV2 fan but no one likes to see that kinda thing happen to ANYONE!! Let's hope Stewart recovers and can make a race of it next week.
JS7 should not have hit the xtra traction control button going into that triple !!!!
WHAT THE HELL!! JS really needs to figure out how to balance the speed he has, which is incredible, with a reduction in mistakes!! There is no doubt that 5 good laps isn't enough to win a race, but holy shit he was flying those first 5, what was the gap on RV at when he f'ed up?? And what the hell actually happened there? Was he trying something weird in that section?? Dog him all you want, but coming back to 9th was pretty damn impressive. Is it true that he was doing some combo that nobody else was and it dropped his lap time almost 2 seconds faster?? What a drag because i dont think anybody had his speed tonight, BUT i know that speed alone is not enought to get it done!! Gonna be tough for him to get back in it!
Dungey got a decent start? What are you talking about? Dinger was in 33 rd place at the first turn. It seems that lately even the author has a bias that fuels the Dungey haters.
Give the guy credit for coming that far back to 3rd. It seems like he's had no luck this year. I believe if he had not had such a lousy gate pick and he'd got a better starlet he would have beaten RV (he was pulling away from him in his heat).
Also he was the fastest the night his chain derailed. And let's not forget he won all last years championships as a 20 year old rookie.
Congrats 2 RV,CR,RD great riding,Canard was fast but had ruff nite,but my man james THE BEAST stewart had 1 even worse but this kid is STR8 BALLS OUT riding,ole skool bubba!! WIN or LOSE this dude puts on a show,his speed,hittin jumps that no other would,RC gives this dude his props and he knows JS7 better than anyone,its not over,LETS GET IT ON
It's sorry to even comment on this board with most of you AKA guys...
for your information the SX season is half over... looking at the results and points, it's clear that the "fastest man on the planet" IS NOT JS7... It's apparent to most the guy to beat is the fastest guy on the planet... RV2... Go RV2...
More SX to go... Reed, Canard and Ryan D. will be a factor... Not JS7 he will only get in the way... I wounder if he will start next week... or "I'm hurt" "Bubba's World"
SUCKS!
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@CZWilly your either stupid or you just hate Bubba, which one is it? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you just hate Stewart because no one in their right mind watching that race would say RV was faster than Stewart. If Stewart doesn't crash he leaves RV in the dust. RV is riding very smart that's why he is winning not because he's blowing Stewart away dummy.
Best night of racing in a long time! So much better when they go 20 min, anything can happen. Nice win for my man RV. But! The JS crash made me think of a triple I once cased, and then thought I was at the fair, but never got back on the bike. Wow he frog hopped off the track and got going to get 9th. That's the heart of no quoted. Exciting nite.
i don't understand why there is so many people that like to bash on Stewart. You gotta give the guy credit for having the heart and determination to come back after a beating like that and get ninth after being way back from 20th place battered and bruised, probably mild concussion, and probably with a bike that was tweaked atleast a little bit. Like RV, CR, or RD more than stewart but #7 is definitely the funnest to watch and the fastest man on the planet. He also showed great sportsmanship for the way he handled the Reed takeout/Dirty riding. Stewart should have toned it down a tad since he was so far ahead of second place RV and made sure he didn't make any mistakes but Stewart is definitely the most skilled rider out there hands down but he just needs to learn to tone it down at times.
No matter what Stewart does from now on, he HAS to win or at least finish in front of RV every race from now on! There are eight races left! Its possible to still win this thing. Man, he has some bad luck or just some kind of curse going on at Daytona! This is the third time I think that he was leading and throwing it away like that! I jumped at my 60" screen TV and touched it when he fell! I just cant believe this! Damn!
I had a bad feeling watching Jaimz pull off that triple triple triple combo, you knew he was twisting it to the stops. Sadly, another of the infamous 'Bubba bails' was the result...his punch~drunk stagger to his bike after that endo (oof!) was painful to see. He garnered some valuable points, though...all credit to RV on the win, Canard will get another win before the series ends...this guy smokes.
In their 125/lites seasons, I thought that stewart and villopoto, were way more dominant outdoors, than in regional supercross, but I was wrong.
Villopoto won 11 races out of a possible 24, which is 46%. Not that much less than his outdoor win percentage, which is 52%. 6% better outdoors !
He finished his 3 seasons with a 3rd, 1st and 2nd.
Stewart won 18 races out of a possible 24, which is 75%. Not that much less than his outdoor win percentage, which is 83%. 8% better outdoors !
I would have thought it was more than that. They both started off slow, in their rookie seasons, with villopoto getting one win, and stewart getting three.
In their second season, they each got 7 wins out of 8.
In their third season, villopoto got 3 wins, and stewart got 8 wins out of 8, for a perfect 125 regional title. He also won every outdoor moto except one (mechanical dnf), as he prepared to move up the following January, to challenge Ricky Carmichael, who was coming off of his second perfect outdoor season. January 9th, 2005 was the biggest hype ever (but the A1 track was underwater).
Villopoto raced a 250f at the mxon, 3 times, and won the overall once (against the 450's too).
Stewart raced a 450f at the mxon, twice, with no overall wins. Stewart never raced a 250f at the mxon, and villopoto never raced a 450f at the mxon.
I was surprised that their regional sx stats are almost as good as their outdoor stats. very interesting!
One of villopoto's major injuries, occurred in supercross. The origin of his other injury is not known, because that information was never disclosed (an older injury).
With the exception of the rock / knee incident at washougal, stewarts three other major injuries, have all occurred in supercross.
Both have a slightly lower win percentage, and more injuries in supercross, than in outdoors.
you guys are idiots 7 is tough if you guys crashed like that you would be out for weeks he is good for our sport give him some respect
I was telling you boys, "1. Villo, 2. Reed", even without crash, Bubba had no chance to beat RV at Daytona, like against RC, JS7 always makes fault when another rider is at the same level than him, Villo is the best outdoor's racer in the world since few years and now he's the #1 in SX too! like Alessi since 2 years, it's time for Bubba to pay for his arogance and for his disrespect. sorry for my bad English. Go Villo, Go Reed !
Carmichael said that stewarts crash, was because he was preloading the forks on that first jump face, to do what he was doing over that triple, and this time, the front end just popped up on him, and he couldn't preload it. R/c said he didn't think he did anything wrong. A very spectacular crash, and a very spectacular comeback too. I have come to expect it from stewart, at daytona, that is 3 for 4 now. But, the other time, he beat the GOAT, which is not easy to do at daytona.
In stewarts four big bike appearances, at daytona, he has ridden 53 of a possible 80 laps, after picking his bike up 'dizzy', from a very hard crash. That is 66% of his laps at daytona, while on a 450.
Yall are giving Stewie too much credit. For a rider of his caliber, coming from 20th to 9th isn't that big of a feat. Too many of the top riders can accomplish that! He was, once again riding over his head and crashed, plain and simple. He can ride crazy fast, but is always on the verge of crashing and hurting everyone in his path. He is fast, but he is far from best!
Villo King and Bubba Buffoon!!!
I can`t believe the shit I`m reading here. How did anybody of these shitheads get in to this sport is beyond me.
Wow I really have a hard time reading most of these idiotic posts, what about the time in grade three when JS threw that rock at that kid? I heard it was because he threw sad at him first... what a joke.
As far as you go Uneasy_rider get off you're hate machine and go see a doctor.
All I wanted to say was it's good to see Davi Millsaps riding good again and hope he hits the top step before the end of the season.
Keep on hating you useless Pu$$y F^rt$.....
You gotta wonder.... how will James Stewarts career be looked at in 10 years. Will he be the winningest rider of al time, like everyone predicted???
Or just a fast rider that won a few championships?
He needs to stop riding like the fast rookie with something to prove. He knows how to ride but he needs to learn how to race - before he is no longer the fastest guy on the track.
If i were him, i'd play it safe and try and win some championships before his time is up, which is looking sooner than most predicted. Too many kids coming up that will have him on toast in the next year or so.
Stewart being the most talented and fastest bites him in the ass.He had everyone covered ,why push to the next level ? thats been him his entire career "win or bust". For Villopoto congratz on a solid ride and your are showing signs of a true champion !! After all your bad times, karma is going your way so go get man... RV2 baby !!
The js haters are clowns - its obvious to everyone including rv cr rd etc that js is faster then everyone but rides on the edge making mistakes, the only chance they have is if he crashes and they know it!! HES STILL THE FASTEST MAN ON THE PLANET but not the smartest, he was doing stuff nobody else could at Daytona, keep it up js7 true entertainer!!
Stewart did put in an impressive ride after getting his bell rung. However, Reed and RV have started dead last and have finished 6th and 7th respectively.
I'm not a fan of anyone and just want to see good racing. It frustrates me that Stewart hasn't learned when to back it off a little. Sometimes you have to go slower to go faster.
RV is the most consistently fast guy this year. That is why he is in the points lead. Stewart and Villopoto had the rest of the field covered and had already pulled a huge gap early in the race. RV keeps putting himself in a good position. He appears to have grown as a rider. He's more mature and lets the race come to him.
Stewart may be the fastest man on the planet, but those who win championships are those who are remembered 10-20 years down the road. This season reminds me of the years when Bradshaw and Stanton went after it. Bradshaw lost the title but was clearly the fastest guy (won the most races and crashed most spectacularly). Stanton was Mr. Consistent and won the championship. Crazy how bikes change and riders change but there are so many similarities to seasons past.
I like both RV and RD. Some of the RV lovers and Dungey haters said there needs to be an asterisk for Dungey's Title last year. Same applies to RV for this year. He was not the fastest at most races, he got several gifts (like last weekend), other contenders had bad luck (Dungey's chain off), etc. Like the Dungey supporters said last year, the fastest guy does not always win the championship. The championship generally rewards consistency. RV and RD are proof of that fact.
pablo133 - Come on.
Anyone who has raced a dirt bike has raced against someone that road too close to the edge and crashed too much.
Fast is good and entertaining but you have to finish the race. You just had this feeling the Stewart was going faster than he needed to. I mean he didn't need to lap the field, just cross the line first. After the first couple of laps he had enough of a gap, he should have used his head and backed it down a notch.
It looked to me like RV2 is riding really smart and at a pace he felt he could sustain safely. Maybe he thought if JS7 could stay on two wheels he could have it, but odds were he would make a mistake.
It was fun to watch and amazing to see JS7 clear that big jump and equally as sickening to see his horrible face plant. JS7 needs a new manager that can help him manage his abilities and race strategy. Right now he reminds me of Paul Tracy, who won a lot of races but never reached his potential in Indy Car because he made so many poor decisions on the track.
RV2 is one hell of a talented, smart and calculating rider. The rest of the field has surely noticed! Maybe that's what is pushing some of them into making mistakes.
Wow what a race, JS showed some major heart to come back like that. RD put on an AWESOME Ride too!! How about that Jump JS was doing!!! RC and Fro were blown away by it. To bad for him he made that little mistake or he could have won by a mile.
"Hater" what a *****ing gay ass saying that every piece of shit uses these days. JS7 was down for awhile, and looked punch drunk. Getting 9th is impressive, he could have walked to the pits and no one would have questioned it. RV2 learned from last year, while JS7 still has not learned from his whole career, that it takes consistency when the comp. is this tough. Funny all the botard's hammer on the KTM 350 yet will not give it credit when credit is due....I have to watch again but I think Roczen got a holeshot in the heat.
It seems like Dungey can only podium after others have problems. He is not fast enough to do it on his own.
JonR290 are u kidding me??? RD gets questioned because there were so many guys out last year and he has NOT won yet this year so there is some proff behind the guys who said he was a weak champ. This year everyone is there and RV has a big points lead and has won 5 races so I don't see how you can say that.
DC... I really don't think JS was pushing it to the next level when he went down. RC and Fro both said so too. EVERYONE out there either went down or came VERY close a few times. RV once, Reed twice and Rd twice also came close to going down. JS went down but not because he was pushing it IMO it happens. Not saying he does not go down from pushing it, just not this time.
Yes the 350 holeshot!!!
If there was a game plan for this season I bet it just went over the bars and out the door js7 by far the fastest. I dont want 7 to win the championship but with out him races might be pretty boring still one of the best years in racing go reed go reed your going to have to pick it up
the reason he was pulling so much time was the wall jump, i dont think he was taking unnecessary risks by jumping it, especially considering he didnt crash on it or get out of shape on it, i dont understand the completely biased comments on our worlds best riders, yeah i get that youre a fan of this guy or that guy, but full on hate is just ridiculous, its just the daytona race report, stop whining about who thinks they should have an asterisk by their championship or about how much the best riders in the world "dont know what theyre doing"
That was an impressive ride by Stewart no doubt, but I gotta couple of wonderments. I really thought I was going to see him kill himself that first lap or two back on the bike. He was as close to knocked out as you can get, and he was being allowed to climb back on a bike. I was really questioning the Aterisk crew at that point as they were just helping him get back on the bike. He fell right on his ass when he couldn't swing his leg over the fender!!! He was almost out! Thankfully, he did not crumple it but he came close a bunch of times on that first lap. Second thought, how many times did they give blue flags to guys he was passing for position???!! We saw Alessi get blue flags TWICE when James came up on him for 8th or 9th, and he pulled over like he was being lapped. WTF???!! He thought James was lapping him!!!! James was only a few seconds frombeing lapped himself at that point and tom other riders may have seemed like the leader, but WHY are the track crew giving his competitors blue flags???!!! I wonder how many other guys thought Stewart was lapping them and not fighting for position.
great track finally... passing ,different rythms,and 1min17 sec laps...well all over next week back to get a holeshot and win or bad start and suc.....way to go rv where's the SPEED reed......
I gotta wonder if Stewart was pushing so hard to send a message to everyone, or maybe just to Chad Reed, but he was definitely on it. I don't know if he would have crashed if he had taken it down a notch, but it is fun to watch him ride like it's a video game. I love his style but sometimes I wonder how much it has cost him in terms of race wins and championships.
Honestly, if you have to point out every time a particular bike gets a holeshot or good start and great finish, what are you saying? That it is an underdog out there, which means it is at a disadvantage. We know a good rider can overcome deficits in HP etc. Short is in shape and got a good start in the main. A 450 isn't much use if you are dragging an anchor around like Millsaps was around lap 16. We still forget that Short pulled a TON of holeshots in MX last year? Then we have to point out when this bike gets a decent start or holeshots a HEAT? We all have seen RV holeshot the Des Nations on a 250f and that is a great feat, because it isn't supposed to happen. We all remember O'Mara in 1986 taking it to David Thorpe 125 vs.500 on a hilly track. Why do we remember it? Because it was an amazing feat and isn't supposed to happen. Keep pointing out when the 350 does well, it really shows what a huge advantage it is out there.
You cant take props away from Bubba. He was fantastic. He has the heart of a true champion. That mistake sucked,(maybe the lighting was not that good in that section) but it could of happend to anyone out there,that is part of racing. After the crash he was still busting that combo out and finished 9th place from dead last on a RC track from hell. He was definately the fastest but we all know that always doesn't win races as seen. Also you cant take props away from Barcia for racing with a broken hand.All hands up for Js7 and barcia.
RV2 was behind JS7 for quite a few laps, I believe the Alessi blue flag was actually for RV2 coming up, but it could have been a flagger mistake. I have to say Ralph as EXTRA annoying last night.
There is a reason that the Daytona SX was held during daylight hours. As JS and others mentioned before the race the track was dark, both soil and far away lighting, making line choice sketchy. You have to admit the lighting is fine for the paved oval but probably not for the interior ground. Wasn't designed for that.
I think JS was just about to "settle" in on his pace, bringing it down to say 1:16 + from 1:15 + per lap when this crash happened. Six + second ahead of RV after 3 laps !! His strategy was to blitz out and then cruise. This crash was just bad luck for JS.
Who ever said that any of the other top guys could go from 20th to 9th after that crash is nuts !! First of all JS was clearly "messed" up, probably at least a mild concussion, second his bike had to be jacked a bit and last JS was way, way back at that point, taking almost a full lap just to get 19th.
We've seen guys go from last to win before and I don't think they got as much ass-smooching as this is getting. I guess it goes hand in hand with "going big or going home". Stewart suffered another concussion last night I'm sure. He is closing in on where that becomes a threat to a career and even a healthy life down the road. I don't think one other person has expressed concern over the fact that he was allowed to get back on the bike when he could barely stand. This could have ended with him really really hurting himself very badly. I am so glad it didn't, but shouldn't there be more diligence to be sure a guy is capable of getting back on? I was shocked when the Asterisk guys are helping him on his bike after just witnessing him fall on his ass like he was drunk.
Am I the only one disturbed that I spent 3 hours in front of the TV and only saw 4 races. I don't understand why speed channel would show only the sx heats and mains.
BillC... Had we better question Reeds's 04 SX championship because RC was out that entire SX season? Didn't RD beat JS at least twice before he took himself out? Same goes for Reed and RV till they both took themselves out. RD definitely has the speed this year but not the luck. Give him a break!
On behalf of those of us who love great racing and come on here to bench race (as opposed to those who come on here just to bash or cheer riders) Stewart was epic last night. Reed was epic in Atlanta and Stewart was epic in Daytona. How many guys get off the dirt after that wreck and not only finish strong but put in the fastest lap on the track? It's a short list, I come up with Carmichael and LaRocco, not sure who else is that tough. Stewart is one bad mofo, he proved that last night.
It was actually Don Vito who was riding number 7.
BILLC. I know what you are saying about Stewies crash, but because RC and FRO said so?? Does that makje it true then?? If that is the case, those two also said at the start of the telecast, that Reed and Stewies crash in Atlanta was just good, hard racing. Do you also agree with that?? I think it was dumb by Reed myself, just curious how you felt about it. I dont think Stewie was pushing real hard at that particular moment, but he lost it anyway, its Daytona. But what gets me is even in the above article, they are acting like the race was already over. It was ONLY THE 6th LAP. You actually dont think RV has what it takes to make up 4 seconds over the next 16 laps?? I do. Would he have, who knows. Nobody knows, Including WEEGE. But the race was far from over. I have a little more faith in a rider who has put down the fastest lap and average lap times more than once this year. When Stewie settles in 2nd for a while he is being smart, when RV does it he isnt fast enough, thats kinda hypocriticle.
Yes stewart is fast folks but being the fastest doesnt always win races or championships. all of the mistakes stewart makes are a result of simply riding over his head. when he is off the ground he is amazing to watch but i got to give the most credit to villipoto he puts himself in great positions to win races doesnt ride over his head always stays calm and that is going to win him a championship.
no one will remember Stewart in 10 yrs.,really? look up the titles dumbasses. James showed heart plain and simple,Dungey too.it's never over til it's over....
sick track decent race ,#7 is sooo fast #2 just know's what he needs to do #22 knows what he has to do,the rest are all awsome riders working hard living their dreams.i hate when people say dungey this n that.this one cant win unless that one crashes...smoothies suck untill u pet em in a blender, i love it!!
What I don't get is how people aren't saying shit about Villopoto. He has lucked into the past two wins! People are so quick to talk about Dugey and his championships but now I don't hear anyone talk bout RV! Yeah I get that being in second when the guy in first crashes out makes you the new leader but people are acting like he fought tough and nail for those wins! He wasn't anywhere near the top guys! He had great rides and was smooth but c'mon he in the right place at the right time. Its such a double standard in this sport. RD needs a comeback. Just a clean no bike problem ride and he can keep that #1 plate.
Its nice for once that Stewarts dangerous riding cost himself alone something, not taking down inicent bystandards....Stewart is fast but very dangerous and needs to stay home once and for all....
James Stewart is a SOLDIER! He needs to maintain 3 or more points then RV per race for the Championship! This feat will cement his legendary status!
The fastest rider on the planet would be RV if there was no computers because we would be reading about the race next month and all that maters is who won, that is what counts.
Bubbles has always been fast but he will always be a mind [email protected] was king of the mental games and he always took Bubbles off of his game. Now it is Reedys turn to mess with Mr inconsistant.Looks like Lil Bubbles is following in big brothers foot steps in taking out innocent bystanders on the track .
My questions and comments, Can anybody explain why we use the term "dead last" ? It has been around since I started racing in 72? I have used, done it and still think it is funny when we use it. What is the difererence between the red comment and black comment users, I haver been both? Yes this hate stuff gets out of hand. I like some of the comments by the old guys like me at least most of you make intelligent posts! Yes James has a pretty big hole to didg out of now. I hope he can do it! I am not a big fan of anyone but a fan of all. Everyone that makes the final race program is a hero to me. Lets keep racing!
Wow intense night of racing. That track was hardcore. Stewart was on another level last night. He gapped RV by about 6-7 seconds in 4 laps... @zundapp - If Stewart stayed up, he most likely would have won... that was obvious.
Last night Stewart showed the world that he mosty definitelly is the fastest rider on the planet.... Not the luckiest of smarter however.
Worse part of JS7's crash - we are going to have to listen to hours of Ralph going on and on about what a "hero" Bubba is for just riding at Indy. PUKE!!!
@MARY
The reason people arnt saying anything about villopoto is because he is winning in a much more talented field compared to last year
Trey, Reed, Stewart, all guys who were not there last year to challenge dungey
well looks like villopodshit figured out reeds stategy, cant beat him so hang around in second or third for a mistake, stewarts going to put on a show and they know that hes not just another lame ass rider riding around waiting to inherit the lead and the championship, you see how much dungeys title means, that guy sucks, he will when only if james, chad, ryan, and trey all wad up and thats a maybe. i think rv got some voodoo shit on james nobodys that damn lucky. its not over till its over we all know what happen to ryan villo late in the season anything can happen.
that track looked tough!! they were all getting kicked, back end high at some point or another. MORE gas!!!!
Stewart implodes again...Shocker! Gee Whiz we've never seen this before, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . Gotta be in it, two win it. I'm an old guy. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Now I see why those yamaha's are doin so good this season=they dont even need a rider on em' to track straight in the air! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...Real motocross racers race outdoor motocross nationals. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. The FULL outdoor natioal season...
Stewart is fast no doubt about it, that guy is amazing to watch on a bike. the risks of riding that fast and pushing the envelope are elevated immensely. Sometimes you can get away with it and sometimes you get bit, that simple. I don't see anyone else pushing like that, yet other guys are hitting the ground as well.(canard,dungey etc) So to say Stewart is win or crash isn't entirely true i mean yeah he does crash but so do others, #22 said it in an interview awhile back about riding outside of the comfort zone to make things happen, anyone of you who rides knows what this means. #7 just does it more often than everyone else, I mean he should have backed it down abit he was killing those guys.
but his comfort zone is obviously a higher pace than everyone else, so it looks like he is doing crazy sh#t but to him not so much. For the record I am a HUGE #22 fan and have never really liked bubba that much, BUT his ride last night after that crash and coming back to 9th while setting the FASTEST lap of the night was awesome. I have had a few get offs like that myself and I certainly didn't get up and put up laps like that. He is good for the sport and I hope he is OK and can continue to entertain abnd amaze us.
You know, like most of us on here, I've been watching this game for a long time. And to be honest,I knew JS7 was going to eat it in Daytona when Reed took them down last week. Now don't start callin me a hater yet. Any one who knows the history of these two amazing riders can't be too suprised by these last couple of insidents. When JS took REED high for the pass last week I KNEW Reed would try that block pass and take them both out. I was telling my buddies to "watch at daytona Stewy is going to beflyin, then hes goin to take him self out." What James was doing on that track last night was neer super hero status, but he forgot to wear his cape.
Again, I'm not a hater, I am a fan of the sport. He is , without any question, the fastest man on the planet, but I have yet to see a trophy for that. If JS want to hang his hat on that its his choice. I thought he was in it to win it, but he just can't seem to help himself. Last night we all saw vintage Stewart. What he did after the crash was EPIC to say the least, and I feel privleged to have seen it. It won't get him a title tho.
I was impressed with Dungey, Like him or not. this guy has put up with alot of adversity too but look at were he is. I thought evryone in the top ten had great rides, it was another GREAT Daytona supercross and an instant classic if you ask me.
OH yea how bout those KTM 350's, three in the top ten. WAY TO GO SHORTY!
James, is a stud. he endows hard, got up and CHARGES to 9th place! incrediable. If you cant respect that, than you cant respect yourself...
I love it! This is why this sport is so cool! Busted cases,....One rider that completely leaves everyone in the dust doing the impossible (even freaked out the GOAT!),....A huge (but scary) crash,...a comeback,....It just cant get more intense can it?!?! I'm glad Stewart is ok, that was GNARMAX!
I figured someone would attempt something with that spine. And I know how Bubba likes to save it for the main event. Nice though. As for his crash............He popped the clutch while wideopen(or next thing to it). This allowed the front wheel to continue falling after the takeoff, because it never touched the takeoff.....making it somewhat like a kicker. He was way back and failed to pinch ye seat, resulting in ye rear shock to throw him forward; making matters worse. Had he kept a finger on the clutch after letting it fly, the incident may have been avoided. Or even if he had been further front and let off the throttle sooner.............but sad to say.......while feelin' gleen........Bubba grabbed a handful.
It's clear, for anyone else to win, Bubba needs to crash. So far he's been complying.
First off-I'm not a hater. I don't care who wins each week. I'm a fan of the sport. That said--Stewart will not win this Championship. You can bag on RV, RD, and CR for not being as fast or winning as many races but it will be one of them that ends up the champion. You can't win a championship laying on the ground no matter how fast you are. You guys with your "what if's" or "he got it handed to him"--who cares. It's the end result that matters. The Championship and all the sponsor bonuses that go along with it are all that matter. It is now RV's championship to lose and he isn't going to let that happen again. Pretty soon all RV will have to do is finish right behind JS and coast the rest of the way to be 2011 SX Champion.
Shame the Mad German ain't racin' in the states for the Nationals. He would soooooooooooo kick ass outdoors..........including Barcia and Wilson.
Someone Bubbaf@%ked themselves last night.
Did anyone else notice Reed's shit-eatin' grin on the podium?
All it takes to go from 20th to 9th is to stay on the same lap with the leaders.
At least Stewart won practice. bwahahahahahaha!
Stewart seems to lack the intellectual ability to temper an all-out race pace with the longer-term goal of hammering 20 consistent laps for the win. Maybe it's because the lack of sufficient frontal lobe volume simply denies him this ability. Whatever the cause, he is incapable of being the total package, and I say it's a lack of frontal lobe volume. Considering the angle of his glabelloalveolar line, it's obvious to me. The frontal lobe involves planning ability, etc.
Villopoto could go out there with an insane and unsustainable pace too, but then again, Villopoto isn't an idiot. He's there to win a championship, not to win practice or get a few glory laps, and then when he's getting lapped, to race with the race leader to prove he's the fastest.
Hadn't he had a bad start, CR22 may had been a contender for the win. Though I think RV was purposely playing it safe for the sake of the championship. Can't blame 'im for 'at. I don't think js7 is makin' the best decisions. He was probably expecting a little less of a challenge this year. Although I do believe his crash was an honest mistake......preventable......yet a mistake. I reckon he didn't get lazy, but rather...............too comfortable.
i feel bad for alessi haha. i really dont like him that much but i would of thought the same thing and pulled over if i saw blue flags and JS7 and RV2 behind me little did he know he gave up ninth that would blow.
I'm surprised........... no talk of js7's pass on Alessi. I think he's so used to getting lapped that as soon as he suspects anyone fast or catches a glimpse of a blue flag his instinct is to pull over...............Then again, maybe he just didn't want to deal with a loose cannon.
Rumors up here that js7 and his crash were the result of watching the Charlie Sheen interviews.
Perhaps Bubba suffers from bipolar disorder.
JDubya. I could not have said it any better!
Or maybe a coke addiction.
Red Bull addiction......hahahahahahahahh.......lolololololololol......I mean lots 'o' love!
Is it possible they route a copper wire from his w@$g to the rev limiter.
I'm not a bubba hater, but he needs to slow down to go faster. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out this week that he does have some kind of injury, actually I'm sort of expecting it, that was a hell of a get off. I think that when it comes down to it in the end, the championship is going to go to CR or RV, like many others have said, you can't win it lying on the ground. I don't think that the asterisk crew should have let him back on the track immeadiately either.
I thought it was a pretty good race, Im not a Stewart fan, BUT i certainly dont want the kid to get seriously messed up either, He took a VERY hard lick last nite, Im glad he rallied back, True desire to win, no question, Long Live Motocross/Supercross !! Windem up !!!
Anyone who thinks JS could have maintained that pace for 20 laps is crazy...I called it to my buddy a few laps before when he had already handed the win to JS, "the race is just getting started and JS is a time bomb when he rides this fast". Sure enough.....it happened, he made it to lap 6. I can't give JS enough props for getting up and riding after that though, it was gnarly. From the TV view the Asterisk guys shouldn't have let him ride, he couldn't stand, but that's over with and hopefully he's not too injured from that. On another note, enough with the excuses for # 7!!! All the what-if's and shoulda-coulda-woulda stuff is getting old. What does another rider have to do to get credit for winning and it not to be considered a gift? It's noone else's fault JS can't keep it together and crashing isn't a legitimate excuse for losing. On that point, besides a mechanical DNF there isn't many (if any) excuses for losing, and crashing all on your own certainly isn't of them!
What constitutes "outside assistance"?
Its one thing if the medic staff get a rider and bike off the track, but JS couldn't get on his bike, falling down, the medic held his bike and helped him up and back on the bike, he could have easily stumbled around for another 2 or 3 minuets, if left to get on his bike under his own power...... certainly helped him get another 3 or 4 points/positions.
Stewart needs more gear than just boots and a helmet. At the speed and velocity of his crashes we are going to witness a tragedy nobody wants to see.
Like him or not, for Stewart to run a 1:15 lap and pull a 9th place finish after a wreck like that was friggin heroic. Most others would've been done for the evening.
The quantity and depth of the troll field on RacerX is truly impressive.
Not sayin it wasn`t a good ride, but Bubba never would have made it to 9th on a normal SX track with 50 sec lap times. Dungy needs to go find a witch doctor or a gypsy or something, get rid of the curse.
I can't stand the idiots on here the say that chad and RV etc. have come from dead last to get better results than stewart did...stewart started from WAY back of 20th place and didn't just pick up his bike after a first turn pileup. You can't compare this comeback from other combacks from other riders...some of the people on here obiviously don't have a clue.
I would like to say thanks to RC4 for what was the very best Daytona SX track ever!
That track forced the riders to really focus, think and work hard to compete, vs. the way too easy SX tracks we often see today. I was blown away at how Bubba was jumping up and over that sky-jump while no one elsse couldor would (and doing so even after his big crash, WOW)!
Bubba's crash was super-scary, and I too was surprised that the Asterisk folks did not stop him from going back out on the track after he fell on his ass like a drunk after trying to re-mount his bike, although, I doubt it's thier call to make one way or another!?
However, I must say that Bubba showed real heart with going from dead last all the way back up to 8th place!
This has been a great SX series thus far and I look forward to attending the races held here in sunny Jacksonville, Florida!
what the hell? racerx is really starting to blow with their coverage, this site really sucks now, but even as much as it sucks it is still better than the other mx sites out there, which is really sad. Where the hell are the points standings?
in lites, bagget looked so smooth. the kid was just plain flowing. congrats. i loved fox retro gear
Speaking of lighting,WHY are the people who run daytona SO freak'en CHEAP, when it comes to SAFETY ,it TAKES time and money to rent metal halides fixtures with mini generators or the desired output for the application at hand,next time they should shut off the lights and only USE helmet lights....dim wits.....daytona Has facility electricians ???remember budds creek 2003 125 cc class stewart crashed in the 1 st turn ,he WAS dead last,at the end of the moto HE was 1st.......(F) THE REST...
woulda coulda shoulda..woulda lapped to ninth, coulda happened to anyone,shoulda been more laps..LOL. he came from allmost a full lap down not just last but DEAD ASS LAST.
oh well next week right? the season is only halfway though. and villo is the only rider to get this far without any mistakes,,that is riding smart. looks like villimoto has a grasp on the championship..last year he wiskey throttled it,,james was soo into lapping everyone he brian farted just like KW a few weeks ago
Different week.......SOS
stewart needs to stay on the hole race ,or it dont matter how quick he is.
he best sit by the track and play with his lip stick lick an old labrador that smells muff
Stewart should be disqualified for outside assistance. That assistance could jeopardize the validity of the Supercross title!
B-KR the blue flags were for RV who was close to JS, They HAD to be waveing them when they did, It hepled JS for sure but not much could be done about it.
B-KR last to first from a first turn crash, But not 4 laps in to a race. How can you down play what the guy did?? 99% of people would have gone back to the Pits. RC even said he wont get any points... Well guess what he got a LOT of points. Showed a LOT of Guts IMO.
...all it will take is a mechanical DNF to bring RV2 back into the mix. Murphy's Law 101.
Jame's crash was pretty incredible but him getting re-started seemed near impossible. What really shocked me out of my chair was when he pulled straight back onto the track on the blind side of that huge jump. God, I had visions of Travis Preston again!
Man, there are some losers on here with absolutely no respect at all (jairtime,motorhead)......just hatin' fools!!! Don't bother BillC, there are those who will downplay what JS did to salvage his race last night, just because they have to. The guy was gapping the shit out of everybody, big time, then made a costly mistake. The fact that he came back to 9th and turned the lap times he did, deserves some props kids!! He wasn't just in dead last, he was way behind 19th place. Don't forget kiddies, things can turn back around for him just as quickly as they have gone to shit for him. Lotta racin' left!!
Oh and B-KR people bring up the 350 because there were so many people that said it would never holeshot or do any good... why does it bother you that people want to talk about it??
I hear ya whatever. I would love to know everyones raceing background to put that together with what they say would tell a lot I think.
What a season so far.....I love the fact that I have no idea who will win next weekend?? Will RV have another one handed to him? Will The Dunge finally get one??? CR and JS seem to be wild cards that just make it all the more intresting to me...IMO
BillC, the blue flags were flying in Alessi's face when Stewart was right behind him, which means RV was about 5 seconds back still. They don't wave blue flags when a lead guy is a straight and a half behind. All we ask for is a SHRED of objectivity. Last I checked, that isn't a shot at Stewart anyway unless he paid the flaggers off. My original question stands if it was for RV, because it benifitted Stewart. How many times were riders given blue flags while RV was 5 seconds back (and Stewart was right on them)?
Cant believe asterisk let james ride after that crash. Only james, once again!!!! They didn't blue cross flag Alessi when he was so slow he was holding up 5 guys . But they bring out the blue flag when it comes to james coming thru the pack. Complete BU!!$hit... People get their bell's rung during practice and asterisk usually wont let them ride. I cant believe they let Tyla rattray ride A2 after ringing his bell in practice. They would never let Broc hepler ride after getting dingy like that. He was so wobbly he couldn't swing a leg over his bike, than fell over, again. The asterisk people were more worried about getting his concussed self back on the track, they even straightened his back fender. WTF??? Than they blue flag people to help him come thru the pack. WOW, i'm getting angry about this. He looked like he would REALLY Hurt someone his first couple laps back. Good ride , but I cant believe they let him ride, for his and others safety. Why does James get treated so leniently. The AMA started cracking down on Head injuries a few years back, concussions mainly. James and Hepler were both "talked" to, and told the AMA was going to start benching riders after head injuries. Apparently no rules apply to james. Go Poto. Dungey's time is coming. If it werent for his dnf he'd be right there
Did anyone else notice that James thought the red tuff block was his bike for a moment? I couldn't believe that the medical guys would actually pick him up and help him on his bike when he couldn't even stand or tell the difference between his bike and a red square. I was worried for James but he fought through it and came out in 9th. Total bummer, he had that one minus the whisky throttle.
continuation of a previous thread, where a poster had said:
"When stewart won all the outdoors and went undefeated how many outdoor champions did he beat???"
Stewart did not beat any ama outdoor champs, when he went 24-0 in 2008.
Carmichael had 2 perfect seasons, 2002 and 2004, and he did not beat any ama outdoor champions either, except Larocco, who had 2 national titles, but that was 8 years earlier. larocco was 31 years old against r/c.
stewarts perfect season 2008
1. stewart 2. ferry 3. short 4. byrne 5. cody cooper 6. wey 7. hill 8. j. alessi 9. hamblin 10. m. alessi
Alessi finished second in every moto, thru 5 rounds, then crashed at red bud, and was run over by the entire field, knocking him out of the season for good. Langston, a world champion, was out with an injury during this series, but was present for stewarts entire 125 outdoor career.
carmichaels perfect season 2002
1. carmichael 2. ferry 3. lusk 4. tortelli 5. lewis 6. reynard 7. larocco 8. ramsey 9. no more info beyond 8th place
carmichaels perfect season 2004
1. carmichael 2. reed 3. windham 4. vullemin 5. fonseca 6. byrne 7. wey 8. tortelli 9. voss 10. hamblin
tortelli had 2 world titles, and beat ricky before, but as you can see, he was not a factor in these series.
another interesting tidbit about stewarts last 125 outdoor season, that i ran across, while searching:
"James Stewart switched from his KX125 to the KX250F for the final round. Although Bubba says he's always been a "two-stroke guy," he rode an amazing race on the KX-F, opening up a tremendous lead. In a rather surprising statement after the race, Stewart admited that the KX-F made it easy for him, and perhaps he should have been riding one all along. After wrapping up a record-breaking, nearly undefeated season (one DNF), Bubba is moving on to the 250 class for the '05 season."
To my old buddy YZSean... "VILLIPOTO RULES!"
The blue flag should have never been out at that point but Alessi didn't have to pull over, stop, and take a breather while Stewart blew past him. Red means stop--not blue Mikey. Stewart was definitely dazed and confused. I've never seen such a effort made to get a guy that took such a violent crash back out on the track.
Stewart can't be hurt with an impact to the head. That might be why they let him go. His head is like an anvil. The padding around his brain might be three inches thick.
JAIRTIME_____ Your with me on this. It was clear that James had a mild concussion (maybe a bad one). First off, The Medical people should have never let him on that track after the crash. He couldn't stand on his own 2. Their jobs is Medical, Yet they picked his bike up (because james didn't know what end was up from down), They straightened his fender and got him back on the track ASAP. Complete BS. Would they have done that for Milsaps, stroupe or hahn??? Helll no. They'd make them sit there till the medic unit could check them out. Not golden boy. He gets a golden ticket with everything in Motocross. Those riders have to be trippin seeing that tape of the crash, and knowing they let him ride still. Hopefully someone brings it up. And the Blue flag. Alessi's just that kind of punk who might have taken james out for that 9th spot. But the coorporate doesn't want that, so they flag alessi off. WTF???
I wasn't really a huge Bubba fan before- but I am now. Not one person would have said a word if he would have laid down and quit. That was one of the gutsiest rides I've ever seen and he just gave a huge lesson to any up and coming rider on what it means to ride with courage.
I hope he learns to back it down just a tiny bit. He should be running away with the championship this year instead of 20+ points back.
It was not whiskey throttle, he was revving it to get the front end back up. And it took him 6 laps to catch the 19th place guy.
I felt a little sick to the stomach watching Stewart stumble around after, I'm sure more than a few of us actual racers here have been blackout drunk like that from a big hit to the head and it's a sh!tty feeling. Regardless of his ride after the crash he shouldn't have been out there, and his first move was to pull on to another blind landing without looking. That could have been really bad, he could have been bleeding inside his own head for all we know when they let him back out. Really scary, I have a feeling there are going to be some major reviews of the rules and head injury practices trackside. Nevermind the fact they basically put him on the bike because he wasn't capable himself. If Larry Brooks was around crying the blues and that was Reed down on the ground it would be a DQ for sure for outside assistance. Just stating it how it is.
A friend of mine took a digger like Stewart at a district MX race. They wouldn't let him back out. He went to the doctor the next day and they found he had cracked the vertebrae in his neck. The Doc said if he would have so much as sneezed he could have been paralyzed. I feel it was very irresponsible to let Stewart back out after that crash.
*****in piece of shit
i forgot what what i was gonna say now.
piece of SHIT.
Stewart didn't even reach the second to last place guy, until lap 10, after crashing on lap 4. He was WAY behind. It was not just a simple, last to 9th ride. he must want it bad.
this thing aint over yet.
I bet he told the medical crew that he was going back to the pits so they would let him go.
Its clear when you watch the replay, they were telling him its done,,,,he had other plans.
Its just getting hotter for the top 5 and James just made this even better..everyone else had allmost crashed too however they were'nt going as fast as he was...you guys that think he's outta control have obviously never ridden at your peak..$hit happens catch22 hahaha,no pun intended
I think the flagger screwed up with the blue flag. But does anyone on here really believe Alessi would have held Stewiie off?? NO WAY. Not in a million years. Stewie shook off the crash after a lap or so, and he was on a mission, Alessi wasnt going to do anything about him getting to 9th place anyway. AQnd I dont think Stewie was riding over his head at all, it was just the Daytona track attacking back, it does that sometimes. I remeber RC hitting the asphalt before, it happens to the best of them.
Here is my perspective, comparing it to boxing, which i was a huge fan of, during the 80's and 90's.
Mike tyson was only the 12th greatest heavyweight of all time, according to a well done espn analysis.
But man, he was the most entertaining fighter to watch, no one else even comes close. Did it allow him to reach 'ALI' status. No way. Was it fun to watch. HELL YES !
Isn't Tyson also a convicted felon and broke? Prolly don't want to follow those footsteps although I think they both have "reality" shows.
Stewart crashed hard at daytona in 2009, going from last to 7th, on a very bent up bike. He left daytona with an 11 point deficit to reed, but still won the championship anyway, by a small margin.
That is only 13 points difference from where he is at right now.
Also, in 2009, rv's first season, he finished 6th, 144 points behind stewart.
It can be done, but will he do it? I dont know and i dont care, but it is going to be FUN to watch.
you are right JDubya, tyson is a BAD example, for anyone to follow, but you cannot deny that he ENTERTAINED us. That is all i was saying about stewart. I dont think he is half as dumb as tyson, and i doubt he will rape anyone, or be broke in 10 years either.
shall we put an * by both of these past wins for rv?? regardless if stewart starts the race or not. if hes own the ground as rv goes past he might as well have been at home on the couch. hahaha just a thought. Stewart rode lights out. 2 seconds a lap faster than anyone else it was clear that he was gonna win. Its a shame a small mistake took him out. Hope dungey can get a win this season so everyone will get off his back. Excellent track. Can't wait til Indy.
GREAT TRACK design & execution by RICKY CARMICHAEL & MARK BARNETT. However, disaster was averted by sheer luck last night in DAYTONA.
Rarely is there a bellwether moment in motorsports that is acted upon before a TRAGEDY befalls one of it's heros. Last night JAMES STEWART'S crash was another bellwether and not the first one we've ever had.
The AMA should MANDATE NECK & KNEE BRACES for all riders. These are simple, low-cost (relative to salaries & bonus money) preventative measures some riders already voluntarily use, to their credit.
The speed & risk levels created by today's supercross/motocross tracks & bikes has crossed a threshold and if you don't see it, just look at the weekly injury report.
Have we already forgotten the great DAVID BAILEYs, DANNY 'MAGOO' CHANDLERs and DOUG HENRYs of Moto/Supercross racing?
Its time the MANUFACTURERS of these SAFETY DEVICES 'supply' all PRO RIDERS with their products at NO COST to each rider. Retail sales alone will cover such a minimal expense. Amateur & upcoming riders wear & use what the pro's use and it's always been that way.
Those with the power, knowledge and acumen should step up now and equip the riders before another great RIDER is BADLY HURT or lost.
It's not a perfect fix but WE SHOULD DO WHATEVER WE CAN DO, to minimize the potential damage of current & future riders in this great Sport.
nealbo - precisely. RV is doing exactly what Dungey did last year. Using the mistakes and misfortunes of others to win a championship. It does not make an ounce of difference if a guy is out with a broken wrist or down on the ground. That is what we call "a distinction without a difference." Consistency and smarts wins championships. If I recall, Langston won the 2003 125 outdoor championship without ever winning a race.
I am sick of hearing "fastest man on the planet" if you can't keep it on two wheels it doesn't do much good. Stewart was pushing it to try to gap everyone and make them look bad. He could have backed it off and rode smart and won the race, he had the holeshot and a decent lead. But that's not how Bubbles does it. And catching and passing all those no name guys who roll around the track after the first half of the race is not that impressive.
The reason stewart was unable to re-mount the bike on the first try, is because the rear fender was pointing straight up in the air. His leg hit it, and then the bike fell away from him. Had he fallen forward, onto the hot bike, he could have been burned, so instead he fell backwards, still dizzy from the crash. But he must have cleared the cobwebs in those first few laps, when he was riding all by himself, trying to catch up to the 19th place rider. He still looked very fast after the crash, which is insane IMPO.
Looking at some of these post's make me laugh! The track was biting everybody in the butt and just so happens it caught James. I am a fan of all the riders and I will say James was killing everybody out there before the crash. He was still posting fast laps times after the crash and he got mad props from me just for finishing in the top 10. I was actually surprised they let him continue racing after the crash.
Unforgiven, here is that race on u tube:
you have to add the characters "http" at the beginning yourself, it wont let me paste it, since it is a hyperlink.
://letgame.net/video/fZHk_PI3bTk/2003-budds-creek-125cc-moto-2-part-1.html
://letgame.net/video/96jQZPHSjVU/2003-budds-creek-125cc-moto-2-part-2.html
I said it a couple of seasons back and I'll say it again: Stewart will never win another championship, but he's fun to watch, just hope he doesn't end up in a chair.
Bubba is the best he only has to stay on his motorcycle !!!!
The fastest man on the planet is Usain Bolt.
And Stewart was unlucky on that jump. The guy has the speed but always seems to race it like it was the night of the tittle on every night. A man with his speed got to be more smart.
Look at RV, he learned fast. Always ridding at his pace and not being affected by the pressure of trying to be the fastest.
And it´s only halfway of the championship, a lot of points still avayable for everyone.
THANKS RACER X FOR THE TWEETS, it´s the only way i can follow the races here in Portugal.
@ ktm144
I get what your saying,I do but whats the difference in the top guys showing up if they just crash out or take each other out and them not even being there..?
RV2 2011 AMA SUPERCROSS CHAMPION! No asterisk here guys... EVERYONE was HEALTHY and PRESENT.
Poor Poor Bubba lol. Arrogance gets ya no where!! he wouldnt have gotten 9th place if the dip***t flagman throw the lapper flag at mike alessi, alessi slowed & bubba rode right thru~~ check it out!! bubba should have got 10th!! Cmon Dungey ya gotta pick it up dude
I'm not a fan of JS, but awesome ride! He has got the speed and talent. Reminiscent of #199.
Awesome series so far and it looks like it will go to the end!
GO RV2
You guys think Alessi even had a chance at holding off James for an entire lap, seriously??? ...The flag guy was waiving the blue flag at both Alessi and Stewart since RV was coming up behind him....Alessi is an idiot and has pulled over like that before (uh ..who isn't paying attention to the other racers???)....JS7 would have passed him either way on the next straight with ease, don't kid yourself......JS7 wasn't riding over his head at all..RC and FRO both agreed it was a fluke thing and it just happened to be James (again)...Reed almost crashed the same way with the nose down....and the only reason why Reed was grinning like that is because he got his ass handed too him on "his track" as he says...The heat race with James says it all..Reed was right behind JS7 after he fell and JS7 went on to win the heat and pulled to straights ahead of 22.....James may be in a big hole to win the title, but like 09 he will make it interesting...I hope RV can hang on for the title...now the battle is on for second!!
chadley75.....while what you said is correct it will be wrong in here. To everyone here it seems there is no such thing as beating Stewart fairly. No matter what happens when he loses it's considered a gift to everyone, and when he wins everyone says he's on cruise control and noone can touch him. Every time Stewart is on the track and doesn't win the real winner's victory is tainted by a laundry list of excuses. The only way I have confidence with my opinion is that the results speak for themselves and don't lie. While everyone pisses and moans every excuse on the planet for him and praises him non-stop, at least people like us have the record books to look at and know we're right. Bring on the hate people, it's expected since I'm not a # 7 superfan. And by the way, Bubba looked unreal last night and big ups for gutting that out. Tough as nails. I don't hate the guy I'm just sick of hearing him being called the best constantly just because he can put a fast lap down. I think Stewart was doomed last night trying to ride that pace he was going even though his crash was on one of the easier obstacles and could have happened to anyone. But the thing is, it didn't just happen to anyone, it happened to JS....again. How much longer can we keep calling him wrecking himself bad luck when it's a pretty clear trend?
not only did the 800 get the blue flag, Bubba done gave im da pipes!!! weeeeemow!
Wow, it's really bugging you that Stewart made it in to 9th isn't it ORGANDONOR?? DO you really think he would not have gotten past Alessi?? That was just Alessi being Alessi!! How is it possible for someone to harbor that much hate for such a talented dude?? You and your pen pal "jairtime" find something to whine and cry about every week when it comes to James STewart. Pretty lame!!
Stewart is damned at daytona, the same way carmichael was damned at A1, and DeCoster was damned at carlsbad. In all 3 of his huge crashes there , it didn't appear to caused by a mistake on his part. That track just hates him.
you've got to give JS props after standing up and race. He could barely walk and very dazed after that huge crash, and still managed to get 9th place.
Love him or hate him, but the guy has b@lls to race given the consequence he sufferred.
But watching the race, stewart should have just backed off a little bit, knowing that he already had a 7+ sec gap with RV.
I was stoked to see Stewart riding at full speed, and after watching that race, I'm a bigger Stewart fan than ever. I thought he really showed some heart, toughness and incredible competitiveness too put in that effort after the crash, most guys would have been carried off on the golf cart and noone would have blamed them. Little mistakes that often turn into big mistakes seem to plague his career, but I don't think it makes much difference whether he is going balls to the wall or riding conservative, the mistakes just happen. I'd much rather see him go all out, that is what he does best and that is his best hope of still winning the championship. Just try to win every race and let the rest sort themselves out.
Regardless of his career stats, Bubba will always be a huge figure in the history of the sport for two reasons, because he has changed the way racers ride, and just for his pure speed. He has had his rash moments, but for the most part he's been very professional, raced super aggressive but mostly clean, worn that big smile even when he wanted more, he's been good to the fans and shown a lot of heart, really a hero for the sport. So you can accuse me of liking chocolate covered nuts, but you haters are just that, haters, STFU.
Villipoto - so solid and fast.
Dungey - the dude gets a bad rap. He's a nice guy and super fast. Maybe he needs to turn up the aggression a little more, and I think he did last night. I'm still pullin' for him to get a couple of well earned wins this season.
Reed - I'm impressed with his current speed. He always been tough and consistent but some of the things he does on the track, I can't call racing. ( like Vegas '09 when he was waiting for Stewart in the main just to try to crash him so he could get enough points difference to win the championship, c'mon, that ain't racing)
Canard- is having some consistency/ start issues in the last couple races, but we haven't seen the last of him. He can race very aggressive, but a nice guy none the less.
Carmicheal - why did you quick just when things were getting good? Make a comeback!
You know, Daytona pretty much sums up James Stewart (and I`m not a hater, by the way). Brilliant, but all too often he manages to take himself out and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
The word "gnarly" gets thrown around a lot, but make no mistake, JS clearing that "wall" in a single leap was the gnarliest thing I have ever seen on a supercross track. But, four laps in, JS takes himself out in a big crash. He salvaged 9th, and that`s impressive given how hard he crashed and how far back he was, but the bottom line is that RV now has an even bigger lead.
How can someone that fast lose so many championships? It`s the paradox that is James Stewart.
Come on DC, we need a mover and shaker, and I'm calling you out on this one.The Asterik crew does a great job just not this time. . Guys can perform with sprained wrists but those pesky little brain injuries are overlooked ? Oh an add chest protectors to the list of mandated safety equipment
Jimm
Stewart is extremely fast - and maybe The Fastest Man on the Planet for half a race - but he is a moron on track. The guy has no track smarts whatsoever as evidenced by his clobbering Jason Thomas from behind earlier in the season, his messing around with Reed and falling off the podium last week and his solo mistake at Daytona. He is simply less smart than the other top guys and it shows.
And I'm so tired of everyone talking about how unlucky Stewart is - it's not luck, he simply screws up. He made a mistake on that jump and paid for it, no one took him out and nothing else caused it.
Oh, can someone please tell Erin "Brain Dead" Bates that I can't hear half of what she says when she stands next to a starting gate full of 450 riders revving their engines. Geez...
Good call 800 ! That was a stand up decision my man.
JimM
CarlsbadCA
You know, I think that a lot of people hate too much about the TV coverage - the fact that there is decent coverage in the first place is something to be VERY thankful for.
But I have to say I was very disappointed with Speed`s live coverage. No lites heat races? No LCQs? But boy, plenty of commercials. I know that they try to get the commercials out of the way so that they can show the racing uninterrupted, but man, I thought my eyes were going to roll out of their sockets if I saw another commerical.
And there is NO EXCUSE for not having ALL of the heat races and LCQs. I know that Daytona had significantly longer lap times than usual, which would create some timing problems. Tell you what - I have a solution - lengthen the broadcast!!! I wouldn`t feel nearly so cheated by the number of commercials if I actually got to see all the races, rather than some of the races, way too much filler, and 8 trillion commercials.
Sorry Speed, gotta climb on the hating bandwagon when it comes to the Daytona coverage - you guys dropped the ball big time.
I also give props to Bubba for that impressive ride last night. Some need to remember just a few races back RV wadded up his bike early in the race, was also way back in last and proceeded to salvage an impressive 7th in a race that was a lot shorter. I realize Bubba is truly capable of still winning this championship. But right now RV is earning it.
I think the performance Stewart put on after his crash was impressive and for all you retards on here bashing about the wreck and saying he was riding out of his skill or whatever I'd just like to say that the wreck looked like a total one-in-a-million type thing. I mean when he was going up the face his bike just pulled too much and it was almost like a freak thing. I'm not saying that Stewart doesn't ever ride beyond himself because we all know he does but I really don't think this one time he really was. He looked smooth and comfortable he didn't look like he was really pushing himself, usually when he does you can tell by the way he rides that he's pushing the limit. Either way the come-back was impressive and for all of you whining about the blue flag for alessi - it wasn't for stewart they were throwing it for RV who was right behind them both so stop crying about it, besides i'm pretty sure Stewart would have still made it around him anyway but whatever.
I'm happy for RV he's being smart and consistent but I'd still like to see him and Stewart really go at it together without either of them crashing, they are both amazing riders. Also as for Stewart being so concerned about Reed, after watching him go right by him in the heat race I'd say Stewart couldn't have cared less, he looks pretty focused on just racing - not what Reed is doing...
Can any of you Stewart haters explain a 1:15 lap time compared to Villipoto's 1;18??????????// Keep hating, I just get a really good laugh out of all this hating! Yet NO ONE can explain why Stewart was the fastest one on the track!
"How can someone that fast lose so many championships? It`s the paradox that is James Stewart."
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Stewart dominated, before he faced Ricky Carmichael, in a field every bit as deep as this one.
And, he is still the winningest rider, since Ricky Carmichael's departure.
No one else has ever beaten ricky for a title either. Ricky Carmichael is the winningest racer in the history of all motorsports.
"Can any of you Stewart haters explain a 1:15 lap time compared to Villipoto's 1;18??????????// Keep hating, I just get a really good laugh out of all this hating! Yet NO ONE can explain why Stewart was the fastest one on the track!"
eric goodtime, this is probably the wrong time to call out the "haters" and try to make villopoto look bad considering he was checking out last night while your boy was gathering his head trackside.....just sayin. I can explain why Stewart was the fastest guy on the track, because he's a phenomenal rider and some weekends he is that much better than everyone else. In the end sometimes it doesn't mean sh!t just like last night showed. His 1:15 lap time could have just cost him a championship...was it worth it? I know the jump he crashed on was basic but there was no way he was going to carry that pace and aggression for 20 laps on that track without it catching up to him at some point. There's a reason noone else was going that fast, and before you say "because they can't" just remember JS has been beaten more than once this year by guys with faster lap times on those nights. JS needs to use his head more, which is unlikely to happen since he hasn't figured it out after this long.
In san diego RV2 rode from last to 7th with a fenderless banged up bike and none of you are giving him his deserved respect,quit being so narrowminded.js7 did'nt ever beat RC!!!!!!! let's enjoy the racing!!!! alessi stopped and gave js7 7th hope he enjoys the bonus check.
Hey moderators,
what would it take to get some stats/data around # of starts and finishes, etc.
I'm think something like total for a rider, not necessarily broken out by 250/450.
Maybe:
# starts, #1st, number podium, number finishes. Perhaps throw in the % next to numbers.
It would be good to see how a rider has done over a career.
I gotta think that Reed's % podium to starts must look good and Ricky's 1st to starts must be in a whole different class!
Include some of the recent retired folks as well, like Ricky, Ferry, Brown, etc.
#star
Hi! RacerX/Jason, nice job calling that James was going to make the evening boring!? He was jumping something no-one else even thought of TRYING, and THAT's why he was so much faster than anybody else. Likewise, you totally missed to acknowledge that after he scraped himself off the floor he, after a warm up lap, continued to do that safe spectacular show over and over again! Definitively something unique...
Is JS7 a stupid rider? I think he his, he's screwed himself last 4 wkends, but man does he give a brilliant show and he absolutely is the fastest by far. I'm not his biggest fan, but his is a brave man that follows his own plan.
Oh, and for someone before here: you can't mention names Alessi and Stewart in a same sentence when referring to SX. Outdoor, that's a different story.
Yo retard...
Are you?
It is a race to the checkered flag, 20 laps, first person to get there get the girl, the check, the points. Seriously dude, you should get off the couch and actually compete in something and maybe you will understand.
Sorry Retard, looks like you where quoting Eric. Eric, quit picking at your pimple, get off the couch, and go compete at something.
Thanks for correcting yourself Open.....I almost went into a rage and smashed my computer when you called me out. This snow up here is making me stir crazy and also making me go on this website too much. I do the doubles.
When Stewart gets 4th, people say he rode smart. When Stewart crashes in the lead, people say he's dumb and needs to ride smarter. When Stewart wins, people admire how good he is.
ERIC gOODTIME ! Yes James was blazing and that jump surprised even the GOAT but no need to BS the stats. .........JS7 first two lap times were 1:15:556 and 1:15:617 and Villo's were 1:17:36 and 1:17:12, diff of 1.8 and 1.51 . Laps 4 thru 19 RV put about 11 seconds on James. Your move.
Stewart's riding was the most impressive part of the night! I cant believe he was jumping that section that no one else was cutting 2 seconds off his lap time.... amazing... just amazing!
The first few races, we saw a "new" calm collected James Stewart who was content with finishing second or third and getting good points on the night. Then all of a sudden he decided to go back to "old" James Stewart where he's undoubtedly the fastest rider on the track and jumping crazy obstacles at high speeds, which results in a win by several seconds or crashing and finishing outside the top ten. I wonder why he decided to change? I guess he doesn't have it in him to play championship points. In his mind winning every race is what you need to do to win a championship. You don't get any extra points for winning by a large margin. He always crashes at Daytona. Just not his track I guess.
JS CLEARLY THE FASTEST MAN ON THE PLANET!!!! He is only human if you have rode you have made a mistake to. RV is just being consistant with his laps. Even after the crash james had the fastest lap if you js7 haters remember.
I don't think even geoff aaron could get on a bike with no centerstand, and rear sub-frame and fender sticking staight up in the air like that.
Is it illegal to bend down a fender?!?
They didn't straighten his bars, fix his levers, or put his chain back on. just bent down his dang fender. more of a courtesy than anything else.
Dlouc eel ecurb ebyam.
so what i'm getting from all this is the guy who gets to the checkered flag first doesn't count anymore if someone else turns a faster laptime during the race?
5 or so fast laps doesn't win a 20 lap race.Anyone can ride fast but it takes a Talented Champion to stay on and finish the race. RV rode great and CR22 well he shouldn't even be there according to you lot he doesn't have the big Factory Dollars like the other guys and he is running in third I'm thinking he is in with a chance of winning the whole thing he has a clear psychological advantage over everyone else because they don't know what he is bringing to the table.So instead of hanging Shit on him give the credit he deserves he may not be as fast as JS7 but i think he is a lot smarter and he a very good racing mind and also he is an Australian beating Americans in an American dominated sport is that why he has so many Haters.Look outside your borders and you might realise that the USA isn't the only Country on the planet Go Aussie CR22 you are a champion
The way I look at it is this..... Stewarts history, since turning pro in 2002, (and leaving his rookie sx season behind), has been to win titles, then get hurt, then win more titles, then race ricky, and not win any titles. Then win more titles before he gets hurt again. Then win more titles before he gets hurt again. ......and THIS is where we are right now.....
He has just concluded a 1 year hiatus, due to injury, and now he will win more titles before he gets hurt again, if history does repeat itself.
At no time in history, (besides the rookie sx and the 2 years against R/C), has he finished a season healthy, and not won the championship (2003 he began the season injured). If he crashes and takes himself out of this series, it will be the first time that he has not won a championship, in between injuries. If he stays healthy, and doesn't win the title, it will be the first time in history that he has lost a championship to anyone.
That is the only reason i am picking stewart to win this championship, because it follows the pattern of history, un-altered since may 2002 .........................................................
Was Cudby using his iPhone to take pics this week?
AMAZING season.
JS7 showed a heap of guts imho to get back on and claim those points. I respect that.
Right on rezzdogg, mikey always beats stewart, strait_up that was a bad move by the flagg man. Ive seen it too.
No doubt a tough ride by Stewart. But no different to other tough rides Reed 2008 Detroit i think, riding with a broken collerbone...riding with a dodgy shoulder multiple times, Carmichael multiple times....like when Stewart landed on him, Indianopolis I think last to first 2002..........last 9 years we've seen the GOAT......The Fastest Man on the Planet and the Thunder from Downunder....I think we should all feel pretty lucky!!! Nascar has had the same guy win the last 5 titles!!!
Stewart got lucky the way he rolled on that crash, man that could of been so much worse. Does anyone else think he was trying to make a statement with those laps before he crashed? It must be demoralising for the riders who finished behind Stewart, he knocks himself hard & can't start his bike yet still finishes 9th. I'm with whatever, how can you rag someone after that ride? Well done James.
Looked like James had a large amount of help with his machine from a trackside pit crew. Not sure how quick he would have been to remount without the aid of two "medics".
@jailtime: You are talking about Tyson, not Stewart
Stewarts ride was awesome but is it any real surprise he got up to 9th? Who did he have to beat to get to 9th? The same guys that are getting lapped by lap 8 in a dome. With lap times 15-30 seconds longer at Daytona I'm not at all surprised what Stewart did. You guys and your lap times--who cares. Doesn't count for anything. Some of the current FMX guys could probably lay down some super fast laps but none of them will win a Supercross title. Lap times mean nothing. Crossing the finish line first is all that matters.
"Fastest man o the planet". An interesting if not meaningless moniker.
What does it actually mean? For a single lap, or even several one person can go faster than all others? OK, but if that rider is hitting the dirt then what is the point?
Could not other riders ride beyond their ability and set a fast lap....but then find themselves laying in the dirt?
Perhaps focusing on a more appropriate stat, title, moniker would e better.
Let's call James:
"Most exciting rider on the planet" (Barcia might not like that)
Or
"Most creative rider on the planet"
OR
"Most fearless rider on the planet"
Or
"Most inconsistent rider on the planet"
Or how about
"Most creative fearless exciting and inconsistent rider on the planet!"
How is it impressive that JS made it back to 9th place? If he stayed up he would have lapped up to at least 5th. It should be acceptable that he made it to 9th and that it was him just ridding at his potential. The inferior CR raced to a 12th with a broken shoulder bone. It is the level these guys are racing at that is impressive. RV is ridding smart, remember last year when he took him self out on an jump that he said himself he didn't like? Rv really has a comfortable lead and only needs to place second to gain a championship. I'm sure if he was trying to make up points he would be ridding on the edge him self doing the "impossible".
yamahaa....I totally agree. RV has been smooth, for him that means he's not hanging it out....at all. I think RV is capable of running Stewart's pace most weekends but he doesn't have to now. He showed us he can and got that out of the way in the first month of the series. Now he's in the driver's seat so why would he take unnecessary risks riding in that next zone where things becomes even more dangerous than they already are? We have seen what that leads to when someone hangs it out all the time, and not just RV or JS. Everyone always saw JS is riding below his potential, well there's just as much evidence to say RV is riding below his to keep it together for what matters, the # 1 plate.
Reading these posts clearly has tell tells. All the ones who are posting this rider sucks this and that rider dominates that, all the drama creating posts, are obviously guys who either don't ride, pretend they ride, or their bike sits in the garage while they sit on the couch watching reality TV.
Those of us who ride and are fans of the sport give credit where credit is due. True riders respect every guy out there down to Matt Boni who is out there doing his thing week after week regardless wether or not he is fastest or on the podium.
Those of you dis-crediting JS7 and praising RV2 based on "riding style" must have short term memory issues. Just last year, RV2 was laying it on the line while RD1 was winning. Riders and there different styles are what makes this sport what it is. Can you even imagine how boring this sport would be if every guy out there rode the same. No one would learn anything and progression would die.
I respect all the riders. I praise JS7 who lays down the fastest lap time as well as RV2 who keeps the bike up right and takes the podium win. I praise CR22 for his accomplishments this year. Hell, I praise Matt Goerke for going out there and giving it all he has!
Lets knock off the negativity and support the guys that make Saturday nights at the Stadiums amazing.
My Two Cents!
JS7 said in regards to his crash via twitter, he didnt expect the bike to wheelie like it did and the front end came up and through him in to the endo......
Now, any of us who ride has had this happen and know there isnt anything you can do about it....It has nothing to do with riding over your head..JS7 actually looked really smooth out there and just got more traction than expected....yes he crashes alot due to over doing it, but sometimes its just happens. ....just like K-Dub in Houston....Great ride for JS7 to comeback from that disaster.....RV is in a great position to play it safe and take the championship.....couple more wins and consistent top 3 and 4 finishes and he will be the champ!! GO RV!!
Rick Melon, perfect. Stewie wheelied into the jump, its why he nosedived. But I dont think he was really going that hard at the moment. He built a 4 second lead and was trying to hold that lead. it happens. But he put in a great ride after the crash, no question about it. But RV had to have his rear fender removed, and missing a front number plate, and came back to 7th on a muddy track and I dont remember anyone talking about how "inspirational" his ride was, or title saving his ride was or nothing like Stewie is getting from some "fans" .. And some of those same fans will call a guy a hater for not kissing Stewie's tail every post. I will agree or disagree on several topics during the season, but if I dont cheer for Stewie or love everything he does I am a hater. Its really funny how hypocritical some of these "fans" are,
RIDE4LIFE summed it up very well
There are a lot of rounds left before anyone can say, "Looks like another SX champ will be crowned b/c the real contenders crashed out." RV crashed out last year trying to beat Dungey, & it could happen to the young rider again. However, even if he wins the title he is still not the fastest rider. I have rooted against JS for too long, watching him come from behind battered and concussed while laying down better lap times than my hero’s, to say he can’t do it. We all know it’s not over yet. RV has the tortoise vs the hare mentality, and he's the tortoise here...Reed's just a rat.
The endo in Daytona was rough. JS was probably trying to keep the front end light because the entrance to that triple was full of acceleration chop; almost whoop section-like. Any of the riders on here know what that’s like and would certainly choose the same technique to get through that section. JS was just looking on to the next obstacle after the front wheel lifted up higher than planned; he was committed and it was too late.
good one RIDE 4 life
Like JMG,Travis and RC. JS7 is amazing to watch ride a motorcycle.
That was a great race. Mega props to RV! Reed is getting better, and another win is coming. Unless RV crashes out, this is his! He is very confident, and that is bad for everyone else. James is a trooper! That was scary, and props to him for getting up and riding. Glad he is ok. I'm curious to see if RV stays healthy. He crashed out of a few titles before, last year comes to mind.....
Stewey 'stewey'd' himself again while leading by a large margin. Seem familiar? Yes we've seen it before. He's riding along like superman & all of a sudden, the dreaded ENDO pops up.
Obvious the dude is super-fast but I thought (hoped) he'd gotten past the old 'checkers or wreckers' scenario. JS7 could never be labeled a boring rider that's for sure!
P.S. As far as him stumbling trying to get back on the bike, we need to cut him some slack. If you ride & have wrecked (hard) before, you know what it's like trying to get back on your bike & get back in the race & how much of a 'mad scramble' it is. He obviously didn’t see his fender was all jacked-up
Hey there "whatever&billC;" maybe you two should get a room...I'll quote my wife who has been to many a race (pro and local) since 84'. My first MX was in 81",I've been racing ever since. When Stewart crashed in Atlanta she says from the kitchen "he crashes alot!" Now like others on here,I'm thinkin' at Daytona Stewarts either gonna decimate the field or crash trying or get caught up in a p1$$1ng match w/22 and crash. Either of the last two options are OK w/me as Stewart lost me with the sprinkler(spodefest),or was it when he dropped 259 (poser)Oh never mind, I never did like him. With that out in the open let me say that when he first hit the scene (and many times since,like sat. night daytona) I've been awestruck by his blazing speed and creative lines=the guy just hits things a gear higher than mere mortals with the mental capacity to make it work for a short period of time (AKA less than a main and or moto) and there lies the problem,the whole unvarnished problem. OK, were watching daytona and first she says "I cant believe those medical personel allowed him to get back on that bike" than after the race's completion "with that big of a lead that early in the race couldnt he just back it down a notch and still beat everyone?" Ten,twenty years from now the record books or google wont show that stewart made a risky,gutsy,"rocky" like comeback after a spectacular crash at the daytona super-x but it will list the 2011 AMA supercross champ and I dont think it will be him.
ChampRV*: "However, even if he wins the title he is still not the fastest rider."
You are right sir, if RV gets the championship the BEST rider won.
When stewart raced against ricky for those 4 seasons, ricky did everyting that stewart was doing, at every race. How is villopoto any different? If he could do it, then why doesn't he?
The 'quad', the 'wall', and whatever comes next. Ricky never failed, or refused to do ANYTHING that stewart was doing, even though the other riders, would not/could not do it.
Not an argument against rv riding "smart" (might work out for him in the end) just an argument that villopoto is no match for r/c, since people on here, are frequently bashing stewart, because he did not measure up to r/c status. We can say the same thing about villopoto. How many of ricky's records has villopoto broken? stewart has broken one. Even dungey broke one. But rv is so 'smart', that he will never break one.
Nobody ever called rv 'the fastest man on the planet', so he has nothing to prove, does he?
"RV has the tortoise vs the hare mentality, and he's the tortoise here...Reed's just a rat."
i just choked on my cereal !.
funny stuff LOLOLOL
Do you understand what a razor's edge of input~ differential, it takes to crash, or not crash, when riding so close to that edge?.
R/c was a master of riding 1% below it at all times. When stewart was racing him, he rode 5% above that edge, probably sensing the urgency to get it done, since it was his only chance, with ricky retiring next year.
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championships are won by the rider who is the most consistent over the course of the series,whether it's 5 races or 100 races, granted he may not be the fastest lawn dart on the planet,he may not even be the slowest.he may not even win a single race all season,but he is the most consistent, thats why it's called a series. i personally don't care who wins i have no favorites. i work in this industry and have been involved with it my whole life as a racer and an official. what i always seem to read here is, oh he won but he wasn't the fastest guy on the track. who cares, he did what he needed to do to win the race on that day. thats why it's called racing.
"Obvious the dude is super-fast but I thought (hoped) he'd gotten past the old 'checkers or wreckers' scenario. JS7 could never be labeled a boring rider that's for sure!"
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Man, i TOTALLY agree with the very last sentence, but not the rest, and here is why:.
If stewart really IS this..... 'checkers or wreckers mentallity' ... type of rider,
then how do you explain him winning 83% of his "lites" outdoor races, and 75% of his "lites" supercross races ? And, breaking r/c's record of' 27 consecutive moto wins' ?
Heck.........villopoto only won 46% of his "lites" outdoor races, and 52% of his "lites" supercross races?
I thought "checkers or wreckers" was supposed to be a 50 - 50 sort of a deal ? ! ?
stewart has taken a LOT more checkers than wreckers. look it up.
SOME of you guys need to learn how to use 'google', and stop relying on the event programs, and message boards, to gain all of your 'knowledge' about this sport.
I honestly think JS7 is done. Unless he can redeem himself in Indy. THis year though, is RV's year.
sorry for that typo.
Heck.........villopoto only won 52% of his "lites" outdoor races, and 46% of his "lites" supercross races?
my bad.
Heck.........villopoto only won 52% of his "lites" outdoor races, and 46% of his "lites" supercross races?
and he still won championships in both series exactly my point.
@kevin18p,
52% and 46% is a LOT of wins.
PLENTY to win a championship by... some championships have been won, with only one win, and some regionals with zero wins. see my point?
i guess what we need is , an analysis of the points margin from first to second, in the final standings, of rv and js lites career series.
I'll get started on that right away.
I wish more people on here, would learn how to use google.
i agree 100% your stats just helped prove my point is all, even thought he didn't win as much as stewart he still won championships being consistent. obviously every rider out there has mad skills,my point is the ones who can manage it all the best are the ones who will get the championships.
I'll also do a championship percentage for rc js rv, see how that turns out. gotta go.
By the way, winning 83% or 75% of your races,
is being PRETTY DAMN 'CONSISTENT' too, dont'cha think ??!
Trick you are forgetting one extremely important fact with your win percentage comparisons. When Villopoto or Carmichael lost, they took second. When Stewart lost, he was lucky to get top ten. Also Stewart did not beat Carmichael's outdoor streak, or his indoor streak for that matter. Stewart has also never defended a title. The only thing he has over Ricky right now is most lites wins. Ricky has him in everything else. Never losing a championship outdoors and winning every championship he entered from 00 outdoors till his retirement is something we may never see again.
"Also Stewart did not beat Carmichael's outdoor streak"
"In May, at the Hangtown National near Sacramento, Stewart became the first rider in nearly three years to beat Carmichael. It marked the end to the longest winning streak in AMA Motocross history. But then Stewart suffered a hard crash in round two at Mt. Morris, Pa., and after taking some time away from the series feels he’s finally getting healthy enough to perhaps challenge Carmichael this coming weekend.
“Ricky’s riding really well right now so it’s going to be tough,” Stewart admits. “I’m going back to work in practice during the week to improve a few things. By the time we come to Unadilla I hope I’ll be back close to 100 percent physically. I like that track a lot and have always done well there so we’ll see what happens.”
I am spending my time, surfing the web, putting together stats, clips, and fricken u-tubes, and all you guys have to say is "When Villopoto or Carmichael lost, they took second. When Stewart lost, he was lucky to get top ten"...............wth
"Stewart has also never defended a title".
I agree with you. for the record, villo has 2 lites outdoors titles, that were defended. no other rider in this decade, has defended a title either, it's not just stewart.
one damn broken collarbone, in a race that didn't even matter, with a championship in hand. bummer.
"The only thing he has over Ricky right now is most lites wins"
more importantly, is the 28 consecutive moto wins, which came to an end, with a mechanical failure in a mud race.
they are both great riders, i am not bashing either one of them.
Also, Carmichael's overall win percentage was once quoted as 82%, for all ama events (excluding the sx regionals).
that is one of the attributes that got him recognized, as the "winningest racer in the history of all motorsports"
stewarts 125 outdoor win percentage was 83%.
stewart was more dominant in the 125 outdoors, than R/c was for his whole career.
He is the goat of the 125/lites outdoors, even if he has fewer titles than villopoto.
villopoto did not break any records that belonged to the GOAT. only stewart did.
villopoto is easily the next best IMO. peace.
And, of course r/c defended EVERY one he raced for.
what a GOAT.
You said he beat the streak, as in break it. I thought you meant he had a longer streak than Ricky. But you were just saying he snapped the streak. Misunderstanding is all. Ricky did come from last and lose his goggles that race, while Stewart stalled the bike. Had Ricky not lost his goggles that would have been a great battle to the finish. Stewart's consecutive lites wins came to an end because he crashed in the first turn and then again coming through the pack. Only after all of that (and probably because of all that) did the mechanical failure happen.
You also say that nobody has defended a title but Carmichael. That's the point I'm making here. Stewart hasn't even done that once, whereas Carmichael did it year in and year out for a decade.
I hope you're not really comparing Stewart's 125 motocross win percentage to Carmichael's career win percentage. If you are, that's just silly.
I'm glad you said you aren't bashing either one because it sure seemed like you were backing Stewart more. They're both great riders. One is the best ever and the other is already top five in my opinion. Stewart is the faster Supercross rider and Carmichael is the faster National rider. However, Ricky was better at both.
hey, thanks for the info of that race that broke the streak !
you are right , that would have been a tremendous battle to the finish, with r/c protecting such a HUGErecord . Hah!
did i say 'break'? im sorry, i thought i cut n pasted that from somewhere else. my bad. no, i dont compare it like that. it's like mcgrath. he is the king of sx. i'm just saying i think stewart is the best 125 rider to date. better than villopoto and barnett. by better, i mean that if i could twist time, and make them be in the same race against each other, for a series. 'Im not saying that about r/c vs stewart on a 125. i call that even. i dont back stewart or cheer for him, i just enjoy watching him race, even with all of the 'on' track drama. i am entertained whether he wins by a mile, or wads it up bigtime. it's good racing.
i didn't know that about bubba either, thanks for the info. i couldn't find it on the web, i just remember him sitting on that steaming bike, with his arms up in the air . wonder if theres a u-tube of it.
yeah i had to rethink that one and call it even. dont ever bet against the goat.
@ bd200-----"But RV had to have his rear fender removed, and missing a front number plate, and came back to 7th on a muddy track and I dont remember anyone talking about how "inspirational" his ride was..."
They never televised Villopoto's wreck, did they? I think it's fair to label Stewart's performance 'inspirational' after watching him hit the dirt as hard as he did and stumble around for 30 seconds afterward. Which is more inspirational: a) finishing a race with a banged up body, or b) finishing a race on a bike that's had cosmetic alterations? (If you answered B, you lose.)
Agreed Whoops_Blitzer!!!! Anyone who downplays what he did in any way is out of their mind...like him or not. Those who say "its no big deal to pass the guys he had to pass out there" are being ridiculous.....whether you think it was wise or not, simply getting back on the bike after having that kind of get off and putting in those kind of laps is impressive, and gutsy!!! Period!!
js raced 125/250 was it 4yrs. RC raced 3yrs with 3 championships, then 7yrs with 7 championships in 250/450.jeff ward, ricky johnson,jeremy mcgrath,etc. js shouldn't be in the same conversation. GIVE RESPECT WHERE IT IS EARNED.js gets help from lapped riders.now lets get back to enjoying the racing!!!!!!! RIDE4LIFE is right
@wayne, maybe you should do some better research, so that you can
GIVE RESPECT WHERE IT IS EARNED
people talk shit to stewart just because he is the best , you all dont know shit about motocross i think he knows what he has to do stop trying to tell him!
people talk shit to stewart just because he is the best , you all dont know shit about motocross i think he knows what he has to do stop trying to tell him!