by Steve Cox
5 Minutes with... Ben Townley
Friday, October 1, 2010 | 10:00 AM
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PrintTeam New Zealand’s Ben Townley went out and won the second moto overall at this year’s Motocross of Nations. It was his second moto win of his comeback season, with both of them coming in FIM-sanctioned races. The other one he won was at the Glen Helen USGP. Townley is heading home for the off-season and probably won’t be back Stateside until spring, but we caught up with him after the race to get his take.
Ben Townley: I was going for it. I wanted to win.
Did you think you would hit or did you think he would let off?
I thought he would let off, yeah. Maybe he didn’t know I was there. I don’t know, it’s racing. It’s motocross. It happens and I don’t know what else to say.
Somebody asked me right afterward why you would do that, and I said, "Dude, I would take out my mom to win a moto at the MXoN."
Without a doubt. I wanted to win. For me, it’s important to get back to that level that I know I can be, and I think I proved that once I got to the front. That little German f&#$er is a fast one...
What was that like battling with a guy who is on a 250F like that? He’s probably taking slightly different lines...
Well, I think he obviously knew the track pretty well from his first moto. I was just saying to some of these guys here that I followed a few of his lines and got into my groove. I went for it after that and felt really good. I had a good moto going and twisted my ankle halfway through the moto, but the adrenaline was going and there was no way I was going to lose that one.
You and your Team New Zealand MX2 guy, Brad Groombridge, both twisted your ankles partway through your motos. What’s the story?
It was just a deep rut. It’s really difficult here with the color of the dirt and the shadow that it casts the way the sun is. When I was going through a turn, my outside foot got caught on the outside of the rut and just ripped it off. It hurt a lot.
Now, this may have been your last Motocross of Nations with Josh Coppins as a teammate...
It won’t be...
It won’t?
No, he’s going to Aussie to race next year and I’m sure he’ll be back. If not next year, in the future. There aren’t many guys in New Zealand. There’s Cody Cooper, but there’s not really anyone else.
Ben Townley won a moto at the MXoN.
Photo: Steve Cox
I just interviewed him and talked to him about you because I know you guys have had such a special friendship for so long. He sort of put you under his wing when you went to Europe. What does it mean to you to know that he’s sort of part-timing it and maybe on his way to being done right now?
Thanks for your time, BT.
No problem.
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There you go.....from the horses mouth. He parked Short. I did not give him the benefit of the doubt. I know it is racing and that stuff happens......I'm still allowed to be upset about it. This is the same Townley that cried when Alessi cleaned him out....and Alessi actually had better position and Ben should have let off. In my opinion Alessi can take the same road and Ben should just swallow it.....like if Alessi said..."I figured he would let off....I was just tryinfg to win"
Ummmm were did he say I parked him?? Cox: Did you think you would hit or did you think he would let off? I thought he would let off, yeah. Maybe he didn’t know I was there. I don’t know, it’s racing. It’s motocross. It happens and I don’t know what else to say. I have heard that from a LOT of guys over the years, if fact TC said that at Southwick when he plowed Wilson and i did not hear people slaming TC. either way Short was holding him up, i wish they did not hit but it is racing.
FU BT. Total **** move.
When did motocross become a non-contact sport. Anyone whos every lined up where money or that much at stake knows almost anything goes to get by someone whos holding you up. Mr Short (who i am a great admirer ) has every right to repay the FAVOR. I wish A.Short had a little more Townley like attitude. When did this "oh please let me pass with at least 5 ft. between us,oh thank you ,i hope i wasn't to aggressive crap start. funny RC,RV,JS don't seem to mind the bangin'......
Townley said that he doesn't know what to say???? Are you kidding me? A simple call to Short (Short said he has not talked to him on DMXS) and a simple apology goes a long way. I used to really like his intensity, but do not now.
I think motocross has been evolving towards a non-contact sport for a while... The AMA penalizes for dirty moves that endanger other riders, and fans like seeing racing, not who can take out the most people. I believe that racers and fans want to see respect on the track, and take out moves are looked down upon. For example: When Barcia cleaned Wilson out in a simular move at Unadilla, it showed JB's character and also proved that he didn't have the ability to pass Wilson staight up, much less win a moto. If the move that Townley pulled on Short and battling with a 250F on a track like that is the "level that he knows he can be", then it is aperant that BT101 is not at the level that he needs to be. I understand that WE would not be complaining no where near as much if BT had done that to another rider, or if Shorty had done that to him, but the simple fact is that that didn't happen, and all other riders / countries rode with Respect of the other riders on the track instead of using them as guard rails.
I like clyde935's analogy relating to Alessi. It does make a difference in the public opinion who does the bangin'. Does anyone here think GOAT, McGrath, Stanton, Bradshaw, et all, going all the way back to Jones, Smith, Hannah would have a problem with this??? They know the nature of the beast and picked up the gauntlet when it was thrown down. There's a place for sportsmanship and chivalry, it's called second place. There are riders that didn't partake of that dicipline, JMB and Bailey to an extent come to mind. That's fine, it's not in their DNA to have at it but, pinballin' your way to the front ala' Magoo & now Barcia is a time honored tradition that works. Don't like it, don't send 'em a X-mas card.
carlsbad... LOL well put and I agree. There is no crying in Moto-Cross
First, Short has parked more than his fair share. it is a contact sport. Second, SX and MX started becoming a non contact sport when the jumps were stretched and the bikes picked up even more speed. Listen to interviews with MC, Bradshaw, Emig etc and they all say the bikes are a lot faster and the tracks are more gnarly. I think they should de-tune the bikes to make for less speed, tighter racing and more bar banging.
I lost alot of respect towards BT after the one. I can't wait to see Short t-bone BT in 2011
Anything goes in Moto??? I could have been the GOAT if all I needed to do was clean everyone else out. I'd love to line up against you idiots that wouldn't mind me knocking you on your ass. Something tells me you girls wouldn't like it so much.
you guys are funny... Did you even watch the pass? ben squared the turn up and went under him after Short went too wide. It wasn't a takeout!! When you start hitting someone directly with your front tire there is no argument for that... Short hit the side of bens bike. just let it go.
Glad that's settled. Ping said it was a clean move and he has no reason to take... um.... wait... ugh... well, I guess it's not settled. Nice unbiased (haha) comment Ping.
People!!! IT'S MOTOCROSS!! Things like this happen, and Shorty himself said he has done the same thing to other people... All the greats in MX history has parked someone, if not more than one time. Let's which it around... If Shorty would have parked Townley in that moto... Would have made a difference? Sometimes you just have to do it or these things happen... At least they weren't being cry babies about it like some you poster are doing. No more for whimps in motocross.
switch the roles, you guys would be stoked. Rubbin's racing. I dig it. Not a BT fan, but get some.
Unbiased because I know him and respect him? i don't work for that team anymore. I'm just saying that the reaction isn't equal to the incident.
So UAW member, which one of the workers were you in the video? The one smoking weed or the one(s) drinking '40's with their buddies at lunchbreak? I didn't hear/see anyone say "wouldn't mind you knocking me on my a**". It's pretty simple really, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. Giving traction to the "wah wah's" is the pussification of our sport and I'm not the type to sit and watch it be taken away by the "fairness for everybody" comittee. "seperating the wheat from the chaff", "culling the herd", "rubbins' racin'" call it what you will, I'm all in, be forewarned though, I race harder when jerked with. "Nemo me impune lacessit" And Ping, this dustup in my eyes is no different than BT/MA @ G.P. Much respect, just sayin' it's ironic BT is the common demominator in two of the seasons biggest "incidents" with polar opposites as far as AS & MA go on the public opinion scale.
Ping, maybe the incident does not deserve the reaction it has gotten, but maybe the reaction has a lot to do with how much of a cry baby BT was over the Alessi incident. Sure makes him look like a hypocrite. His move on Short leaves me wondering why I ever supported his side of the story after the Alessi deal at GH.
I have always been a fan of Short and BT101. That wasn't rubbin, that was a clean out! Bt did the same thing to Short (but a lot worse) that Alessi did to to BT. Ping and BT threw a fit about Alessi and now its ok for BT to pull a dirtier move than Alessi. That track had plenty of lines and passing BT didn't need to do that to win that moto. If BT would have done that to Reed or Stewart he would have been arrested for assault. If Germany didn't have the bad luck in the last moto that could have cost the US the trophy. I'm not a huge BT101 fan at this point. A apology would have gone a long way in my book.
I was the same way about the Townley/Alessi think at Glen Helen... When Townley and Ping started whining... I was like... OMG!!! Do they need some cheese to go with that whine? NO WHINING IN MOTOCROSS!! Way too many whiners today in the sports period... Be a freakin' man about things... not a cry baby.
I know its motocross, and this stuff happens, but Townley was running faster. And could have gotten by without hitting him that hard. He went for it, I understand he wanted by. I just feel he went into it too hard and didnt have to knock him over. He hit him hard enough to actually hurt him in some ways. He even got a shiner out of it. That wasnt him rubbin' and shoving him out, it was a flat out takeout. And Townley cried like a school girl when Alessi did the same thing. And some of the guys here defending Townley were badmouthing Alessi for it. Bunch of hypocrites!!
And BT's original answer was simply, "Iwanted to win", "I was going for it". Period, he never said a word about him thinking Short would let off until Cox feed him that line. Otherwise he just said he wanted to win. So that is easy enough for me. He took him down. No class, if you have to take a guy down to win, maybe he should practice a litle more.
I get patriotism but it sounds like some of you are taking this incident as an attack on America. Don't bring out the guns just yet boys. If you want to critisize every questionable bump or pass why bother racing past the first turn. Just change Motorcross to holeshotcross.
Not sure how many of you guys have watched Andrew Short race. Almost anytime he passes someone he stands them up. Remember Seattle 08 where he tboned Reed on the last lap? He is one of the nicest guys you can meet but he is polar opposite on the track. This crying about contact needs to stop because whether you like it or not, it will happen.
I see a difference between getting on the brakes late and nailing someone at high speed. Townley could have hurt Short badly, and the Alessi-at-GH analogy is a good one, I think. As for some of the other comparisons, Barcia had caught Wilson and proceeded to follow him, getting wailed by Unadilla rocks for some time before finally making his move in a fairly tight left-hand turn. TC made a similar move after a similarly lengthy game of follow-the-leader (which makes me wonder if Wilson rides the ultimate "wide bike"). As for TC at Southwick, if you actually saw the crash, it was Wilson's rear wheel that bounces into Canard, so that was totally different. Bottom line, Townley's was a dangerous (and likely unnecessary) move in a momentous race, and a simple "sorry I almost killed him" would have been the least he could do.
This is a special event and these guys are riding for their countries. other countries are passionate. I think the USA fans have the right to be a little over reactive considering all the B.S. that has been done to our riders during the history of this event. Giving them bad gas. Telling them they can practice if they drive hours away and then not letting them. Watering an already muddy track. And that's not including what the fans have done. Go back and read that Jeff Ward story. As far as rubbing is racing, I knew of a guy who had a race bike and a ramming bike at the track every race. If someone wronged him bad enough he would bring the ramming bike to the gate for moto 2. There's some people you don't want to mess with.
why does it matter anyway? america won and new zeland didn't. i say let it go it didn't affect the results anyway.
Bottom line, you reap what you sow. If you ride dirty, you won't end up a champ very often...how well did Townley do this season and the last few?...exactly...RC, not dirty, lots of #1 plates, et cetera. Townley is a turkey.
Man, did Ping really get on here and defend what Townley did?? After he totally RAILED Alessi for pulling a RACING move on Townley, remember that??? Oh, yeah, i keep forgetting, Townley was one of HIS guys......i get it now. The hypocrisy surrounding things like this, depending on WHO is involved and what the relationship is between them, is just insane. "get over it" ping?? You should have done just the same thing at the GP race!!! I have always liked the hell out of BT, but i personally didn't like how he handled the "racing" thing that happened at the GP, and now that he is taking this stance on the deal with Short.......i could give a crap less about him or how he does. He got paid back in the second moto at MXDN anyway!!
.....and ya, did Short get a "call" or a walk over to the pits from BT to say he was sorry??? That is what everyone expected from Alessi, whats the difference here??
Well Ping, when you find out your just to chubby to be a firefighter maybe you can get a correspondence position with MSNBC, CNN or NPR with the BS spin you just posted.
BT 101 welcome to America, now go home.
You are all a bunch of ****. Its the MXoN you do whatever it takes to win. its motocross not ****cross.
Doesn't matter to me if it was a racing move or a whatever, BT101's interview just seems cheap. He has always come across to me as a classy decent guy, but after reading this interview with his short, blunt answers, he left a sour feeling in my gut. I am not inclined to cheer for this guy in the future. Ben could have handled this one better.
He has nice looking gear though.
Dirty rider, I hope he gets hurt again only this time not gentle like before but Badddddddddddddddddddd......
If you were there you may understand the emotion of many of the comments. BT was clearly faster than Short that moto, and would have easily passed him in the next corner. It just seemed very unnecessary at the time.
At the end of the day, there is a BIG difference between "bangin' bars" and taking someone out. The reason I am against takeouts (even if you rule out any safety arguments) is that it makes the racing boring. What? Boring? Why? Because a successful takeout means that the race between those guys is over. One is on the ground, one keeps going. Yep, it's exciting for one second, and then boring for the rest of the race. Remember Chisholm's bonehead move on Reed in SX? Way to ruin an awesome battle for the lead, and make the outcome in Las Vegas that much easier to predict. Save me the "no wimps in MX" crap. If I want to see a demolition derby, I'll go to one. As was mentioned earlier, RC didn't have to resort to cheap shots to get the job done - he let his riding do the talking.
Haha, you guys need to get some concrete pills into you and harden the f### up!!! You won the biggest race on earth and your still crying!!
@Waikato: True that my brother, harden the F up peoples, this is motocross on the worlds biggest stage. Townley's no dirter rider than the rest of the them, even by Shorts own admission. They all race hard once that gate drops, any claimed wrong doing always has the option of lodging a protest, as in most forms of motorsport. Shorty wasn't happy (understandable, who would be) but didnt complain, DeCoster never brought it up as an official complaint, so wheres the crime? The Americans did a great job, and well done to them in re-enforcing the level of motocross that the rest of the world continues to chase. BT = Dirty Rider? No. BT = Aggressive Rider, dam straight.
I feel sorry for his and Cox's mom.
I see nobody crying here, just bench racing and giving opinons. O ya USA did put a whoopin on the rest in moto 3!
In '91 Stanton straight up said he "parked" Dirk Guekens. We cheered! 19 years later we're pissed it can happen to us!!! Oh well, they both have years of racing left in them and they will both pay what is due. Here's cheers to bar bangin' MX: Geobers/Roberts, Weinert/DiStefano, Hannah/Howerton, Chicken/Bradshaw, Stanton/Bayle, Hughes/Henry, Hughes/Lamson, Hughes/Langston, Stewart/Reed, Barcia/who's next. The day they bring out the pink flag (inconsiderate riding) I'm checking out.
That little german is a fast one.
PatPipes - you have to effen kidding me saying you hope someone gets hurt. That is sad and inexcusable. I say again - unless you saw it in person, probably best to be quiet. At least Ping was at the race. He describes the point of impact on BT101s bike so he saw it in person/heard it from someone that did and he saw the tire marks on BT101s bike in person. All I see here are a bunch of never-been pro wanna be's providing opinions based on second or third hand reports. Get over it and get on with life.
I used to be a BT fan, Stay in New Zealand. " I thought he would let off". Complete takeout. Maybe if you waited you could have made a clean pass and not possibly put someone in the hospital. I'm sick and tired of hearing " Its racing". " Its motocross"..........
LOL take up needle point than. This happen ALL the time, Why is it this time its a big deal?? OH ya because it was at the MXD and a US guy got hit. I want the US to win but we play just as rough so don't be a cry baby when we get some too.
It's funny you never see champions doing all this rubbins racing sh#t thing. Example........The Boss.
..the dirtiest rider n MX got taken out. What could be better ..Dean Wilson cleaning out Barcia. Or Dungey lapping J-Law, oops thats been done n burnt
patpipes you are going to hell. you never wish that on anyone you ****.
Here's a video clip http://vimeo.com/15349049
Alot of guys are talking all tough, I garuntee you any of those guys where on the track and got hit that hard, to bruise them up and down that side, and even black thier eye in the process. They would be either laying in the dirt crying, or bit@hing up a storm and comfronting the guy at his pit. But when its something like this, they are all tough saying "its racing, happens all the time"' Bull crap, it does not for one thing. At least at that level, and at a race of such significance. You are all hypocrites. Or just didnt want SAhort on the team in the first place. Its a good thing it was Short, or the US may not have won..
If BT really didnt knock him down on purpose, he could have easily went over and said so. just to see if he was O.K. But he never mentioned it to Short, and said. "I wanted to win, and I went for it", Enough said.
Once again bd Knows us all, Calls anyone who does not agree with him on this a hypocrite... bd I got taken out and tore my ACL and Cartilage in the first moto, I wrapped it with an ace bandage and racesed the 2nd moto, went down in the first turn and still finished 12th that moto also raced the last 3 races because I was top 5 in points, So unless you can u can top that DON'T call me a hypocrite, Man you are something!! And please stop with the "did not want short on the team" crap, I for one had no problem with it, Was he my first pick for MX3... NO but I had no problem with it.One more thing, U don't think RD could have goten up from that and do ok?? Why??
ssavage10 , I run Hell n thats not going to get him n [patpipes]. CARMA took Shorty out. Im gonna have a cold Italian pizza with a lemon squeezer,gotta make some calls for that. Sure is warm UP here. how many times has Barcia taken Dean Wilson out,I loose track but he`s in.Shorty is considered the dirtiest racer out there according to the actual racers he lines up against. And i`ve heard one of him tell a group of us 1st hand. can`t hide behind the man above [as he puts it] Shorty, because CARMA has its own powers . Im a double dipper,hoo hoo hoo. Cant play both sides.pick it n stick it Short
How do I find the shot of BT and AS ?
Hey Savage, now I am going to wicrap on you dude. May you take a bar in the teeth next week just for the school. I guess it must be the undertaker in me Jake.
Anybody see TC take out Jay Marmont?
Time to eat crow bd... Watch the VID...http://vimeo.com/15349049... Nice find warren113... What ya say now BD???? No take out there buddy. Lets hear it?? All you that slamed BT lets hear it!!!
No take out there, maybe you lot should complain that Shorty's not allowed to be passed by a 250f as well, seeing the video before you posted, could of saved you from looking like a D!!!!
Warren 113 - thx for the video confirming my points all along. Ping - you were right. To Clyde935, UAW_Member, Stevied721, TKW101, BD, sef, whatever, pxh911, byrner99, GraciousOne, and fleece192 - you all need to apologize to BT and Ping & STFU. PatPipes - still a loser.
Good to see you guys starting to catch on to what really happened; 0800 said it best - "The Americans did a great job, and well done to them in re-enforcing the level of motocross that the rest of the world continues to chase. BT = Dirty Rider? No. BT = Aggressive Rider, dam straight."
I think the move was racing but what everyone is upset about is how BT and his boss complained about the Alessi move. He threw dirt on him, ****ed up a storm, heck Ping even got on here to make a fool of himself. Now did Shorty or his boss ever say one thing?
CR500Af.. You got the list right, "To Clyde935, UAW_Member, Stevied721, TKW101, BD, sef, whatever, pxh911, byrner99, GraciousOne, and fleece192 I am sure there are more too- you all need to apologize to BT and Ping & STFU. PatPipes - still a loser" Now lets see if ANY of them are man enough to say SORRY guys, expectually BD200, He has been on every thread calling out people, saying just get over it BT took him out, Called anyone who disagreed with him names .. Telling BT he needs to say sorry to Short, Calling BT a dirty ridder..ect... SAD... He looks like a FOOL now!!
Garjan111 you are VERY wrong thinking what everyone is upset about is how BT and his boss complained about the Alessi move. He threw dirt on him, ****ed up a storm,.. The big fight all week mostly with bd200 and SEF154 was they kept saying BT was dirty, he took shorty out and would not listen to people like me that said there is no proof, They made up there mind without even seeing it, through BT under the bus with NO proff. BD got so mad that people would not agree with him it was crazy.There are many that bashed BT over this right off the bat with NO PROOF. I said right after the race that you could not tell from what we all saw on line the day off the race and to give it some time but THEY knew better... LOL at them now..... So why should have Shorty or his boss ever say one thing about this?? There was NOTHING to say and I think Shorty knew that... as well did his boss.
some qoutes from SEF154. "I've always liked Townley, but his standing took a big hit with me after that take-out move on Andrew. He threw a fit when Alessi did that to him at GH earlier this year. WTF! Fortunately, it didn't ruin our des Nations, and how can you help but feel it was karma for him to have to drop out of moto three"
Here is one right at me. :"Here we go again. Leave it to you to see everything differently, BillC. Let me explain to you some differences regarding the Townley/Short take-out. Both instances you compared it to involved riders catching another rider and following for a good deal of time before finally forcing their way through (funny how it was Wilson in both cases). Here you had a guy who threw a fit (literally) when Alessi knocked him down at GH, yet did the same thing as soon as he got to Short - and I saw enough of it to know that it was no "bump" ... he cleaned Shorty right out! But no doubt you'll have your usual contradictory opinion."....... LOL cleaned him right out Eh SEF?? LMFAO!! Know it all!!
one more from sef154. " agree, Elsinore, we didn't see as much as we could have. But what we did see was Townley hit Short HARD"........... LOL AGAIN!!!
Now some from BD200.. "BILLC. we know you did not want Short on the team. And he rode great, so now you wont admit he got taken out" ......Oh did he BD?? LOL
BD again "Short rode great, got taken out by Townley, and still rode great after that"
bd again!! "read the post by Eagle1, he worked the race, and "HE SAW' the takeout by Townley. Witnessed it himself. Read it, and then admit that you where wrong and Short was great at the Des Nations. When you have been saying for weeks he was the wrong choice. Short did great, and Townley took him out with a dirty move" ... LOL
bd again 'robj118. HUH!! Maybe you need to reread my post. I never said anything of the sort.I was on YOUR side in the discussion dude. You need to work on your comprehension when you read. I said that BILL was calling people whiners when they talked about Townley taking out Short,"
SKD937 "Nice take out move BT!! I was hoping Short would have paid you back in the last moto!!!!"
bd200 again " it was a blatant take-out. Defend him all yopu want i could care less"
rmz26 "Dude BillC....dont be blaming short. Townley was the one that took Short out when he was in 2nd place"
jojo "Townley is a peice of S@## for taking out Short. He had the inside line going into a left hander and could have forced Andrew to go wide but instead cleans him out when he clearly had him passed anyway'
I need to stop this is too easy. LOL
BillC, Go fire up the TTR 125 and let some aggressions out bud!!! lol
LMFAO pants!! I am at by shop, finishing up an 83 hr week, This helped :) .. It is nice out so maybe I will have time to break out the bike when I get home and unleash some aggressions!!
BillC - Sorry man, didn't mean to get you that wound up. I like bench racing as much as anyone, but I'm tired of people with lots of opinions and no facts.
CR500AF That was my whole point from day one, I said we did not gat a good shot of it and I am not bashing BT who has never shown me he rides dirty, But people like BD and Sef slamed me with NO FACTS and many others slamed BT. This is pie in the face to them all. I too love the bench raceing and love facts. 99% of the time we argue it about opion but this time I don't see how you could have one without seeing what happen. BD took it to another leavel and bashed anyone who did not agree with him.
All I'm gonna say is I gave Alessi grief when he had his incident with Townley at Glen Helen and I see it the same now on Townley's part with Short. The whole I thought he'd shut off thing is just saying "I really don't care if he shuts off or not". If Townley thought HE would go down if Shorty doesn't shut off, he doesn't make the same move....just as Alessi did at the Helen. Ben was super-pissed after the incident he lost out on with Alessi and needs to see it from both sides of the fence. If his thought process is that he will take out his Mom for an MXoN win, he better expect others to do so as well, elsewhere. I'm glad it all worked out for USA, but Ben took a hit in my eyes for it. Still like him, just a tiny bit less now. I better not hear anymore complaining if he gets the short end of the stick again (pun intended). Short on the other hand has gone way up in my book, not just as a likeable dude but as a dig deep MXer. He really came through out there, both motos.
GraciousOne, I think you just re-posted one of my old posts on this subject. Just kidding. I couldn't agree more. Would watching Short tumble across the track be more fun and exciting to watch than them battling turn after turn for the next 10 laps? To people that consider it wimpy to be against knocking each other down....it doesn't take anything away from your toughness or masculinity if MX doesn't go that route, so stop worrying about it. No one is going to accuse you of liking a sissy sport if that happens. The same mentality was against facemasks for hockey GOALIES, helmets in hockey, helmets in baseball, or any stoppage of a multitude of moronic activity in football.....from biting to eye-gouging down in the pile. They call it MX "racing" and you don't have a race if one guy is lying on the ground with a broken bike or body.
Perfectly routine. He didn't t-bone him, he didn't run him wide, he didn't sweep his front. Shorty was passed but rode on as if he wasn't. Was never gonna work out. http://vimeo.com/15349049
Nope just you BILLDO, and it worked. You are so ate up with it its hilarious. God, you are so easy. I love it. Get a life dude. You may need professional help.
Yeah try and flip flop BIG D-BAG, We can read, It's easy to see what kind of person you are. And try to be original, Billdo was started by someone else and I was the one who told you to get professional help already today, God you can't even come up with your own insults, The only thing thats hilarious is the fact that you look so stupid because of how this turned out after how you acted all last week now you have egg on your face and can't even admit you jumped the gun on bashing BT. You are pathetic, I feel bad for your family
BillC Idon't know what you see in that video that makes you think BT made a clean pass. That pass was exactly the same thing that Alessi did to BT at the GP. You act as if this video makes that dirty pass clean. Not only was it a dirtier move than Alessi's but BT's attitude about it couldn't have been worse. An apology would have gone a long way. The fact that could have taken the trophy from the US if Germany hadn't had the bad luck in the last moto and BT doesn't care about anyone but himself, I will do whatever it takes to win!! I'm not a BT fan after that and my guess is he lost most of his US fans after that.
Well if you think that was a take out move by BT all I can say is you must be one he!! of a good racer!! You ever make it out of the "C" class?? LMFAO!!! Maybe they should put turn singles on the bikes and the guys can wave the other guy by when he gets close.
HA HA!! its a riot you think you actually accomplished something. You really must have nothing in your life. Its actually sad. You worked so hard at this, and YOU are the only guy one here who thinks you are right. I look stupid and you are the one moving quotes from other people to another post and all. Well i have to go I actually have things to do, you know, a life and all. You relax today Billdo, and take it easy there. ha ha ..All over a crash you have no control over. ha ha this is great..Do you see how you act,you have a neutral guy above who gives his honest opinion(which is how I started) and you insult the hell out of him. Its how all your arguements start. But I dont know why I try, you act like a spoiled little kid who is mad he didnt get his way. There that line should keep you busy for 3 or 4 hours..
Well.....i watched the video and i will agree it has a better vantage point than i had from where I was standing. I will repeat what i posted on another thread discussing the incident......Short made bad decisions by not even tripling the quad in traffic which,in this instance,let Townley sneak right up there and get in position. Certainly some weird line choices by Short. It was his race to ride as he saw fit. I really would have liked to see about 2-3 seconds more video on this one. If Short would have jumped the quad....he would have passed Roczen right back....I have no doubt. It does appear that Townley did work himself into a better position leaving the responsibility on Short to let off. Is that not what we all do...try to get position to force the other guy to let off? Much like Aleesi did earlier in the year.....work himself in better position to force Townley with the responsibility to either crash...let off....or make enough contact that they both go down. Townley certainly gained position in this case and,although the result was Short going down,it does look less like the take out move it appeared from where i was standing at the race track. I apologize.
Well if you think no one agrees with me you realy don't know how to read then BD, and you say you started out neutral...Now thats Funny, You bashed BT from the start, More proof that u are a waste, You don't even know what you posted. Some Guys are MEN and admit they were wrong but not you. What do you have to do?? You don't work so i can't even guess.
clyde935 You are a real man, That can say they made a mistake. ElsinoreRacer and others have said the same thing but BD can't figure it out and thinks i am the only one.
I don't really know what you and bd have going there Bill....and i don't need to. I do know that my younger brother,who really is not as big of an MX fan as i am.went along with me to MXoN and this is how our conversation went regarding what happened. I said..."now why in the hell did Short only table that quad.....now Townley is going to catch him". My Bro says..."it appears that way" From where we were standing we lost sight of them for a fraction and then I never caught that they kind of criss crossed over the finish line table....or right after it really. Anyway the next thing I say is "Did Short just take out Townley?!'....and my Bro says....."you got that backwards....it was the other way around....Townley just cleaned out Short!' My point is that,again,from where we were standing....it sure looked like somebody got taken out!
I also got down on Townley because his interview pretty much read to me that he was taking no prisoners. I bring up the Alessi deal because they do seem to be a bit hypocritical. i also remember wanting to crucify Alessi before seeing the video.....a lot because I'm not a huge fan of Alessi's. I did watch the video and I really thought that Alessi was only guilty of racing hard and holding his line and he and Ben collided when Ben crossed into it. The video that is out there on the Townley/Short incident would be better with a couple of more seconds of viewing time......and I think this is a less cut and dried that the Alessi/Townley incident,but,it is still Short who kind of put himself in a bad position to begin with. It also speaks volumes to me how Ping explained the two different riders(alessi and townley)......and he certainly knows everyone involved here better that i ever will. i also feel that Ping is an American first......and obviously,so am I.