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Bench Racing Ammo: SX All-Time Starts

Tuesday, December 11, 2012 | 10:05 AM

Following last week's all-time SX win list, this week's Racer X Bench Racing Ammo dives into the career leaders in supercross starts. Thanks to our friend Denny Hartwig at Feld Motorsports for providing these stats. These riders are the warriors of supercross and if all goes to plan, we may have a new all-time leader sometime early in 2014.

All-Time Career SX Starts

1.) Mike LaRocco - 228

Matthes: The Rock sits number one in starts, and while he's only 18th all-time in wins, I’d have to think that if you added up all-time top fives, Mike would be right up there. LaRocco also comes from a different era where you tried to get out of the 125 class and into the premier class which is the opposite of what happens now. Larocco started in the 125s in 1988 and was full-time by ’90 on a factory Suzuki. No matter what color or type of bike (he rode Yamahas, Kawasakis, Suzukis and Hondas, 250 two-strokes and 450 four-strokes) Mike adapted his style and ran up front.

Weege: What's really impressive is that LaRocco was actually quite injury-prone early in his 250 career, wrist and arm injuries cost him time in 1993 and 1995. Dude missed some races but came climbing back. And while the no-flash LaRocco probably doesn't seem like a trend-setter, he really is. In a previous era, he would have retired in 1997 after a dissapointing two-year stint with factory Suzuki. Instead, he built a new team with Factory Connection (today's GEICO Honda) and rebuilt his career. This is common place now (look at number two on this list) but it was really against-the-odds back in 1998.

Also worth mentioning, LaRocco was set to race through the end of '06 but broke his wrist in practice at Indianapolis, which cut his final season about seven races short. Those seven extra starts could loom large as Windham closes.

 

2.) Kevin Windham - 204

Matthes: Windham wants to race until the end of 2014, so barring injury, he could retire in the number-one spot for total premier class main events. Quite an achievement for KW. And think about how many more he’d have if he didn’t break his femur in ’02 and basically miss the rest of that season and all of 2003.

Weege: LaRocco is also not known as a jokester, but when Windham made career start #200, they brought "The Rock" out in opening ceremonies to give Windham a plaque. And Mike (now Windham's team manager) said, “Once he starts getting up there with my number, don't be surprised if his bike doesn't start one night.” LOL, MLR.

What more can really be said about Windham? He's awesome. He delayed he quest by missing the last few rounds last year after his failed K-Dub scrub in Houston. Stop doing that!

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Mike LaRocco sits #1 on the all-time SX starts list with 228.
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3.) Larry Ward - 189

Matthes: Big Bird’s only got three wins, but he raced at a very high level for many years both as a factory rider and privateer. He remains to this day a bit of a mystery as he just walked away without much fanfare at the end of ’03. Dear Larry Ward, please come home. We miss you. Sincerely, your fans.

Weege: Is it just me or is Larry Ward all over the Racer X site lately? Funny, Ward and LaRocco started at the exact same time for the exact same team—factory Suzuki in 1990! But LaRocco's early injury woes allowed Big Bird to log more races at one point. But after a rough season with factory Kawi in 2000, Ward didn't return to the premier class until 2003, and that was for one year with Moto XXX. LaRocco made up huge ground in these all-time start stats in the last five years of his career.

 

4.) Jeremy McGrath - 173

Matthes: MC retired before the 2003 season after the two World Supercross rounds and we all thought we’d seen the last of MC. But he came back for Honda two years later and put in another twelve races over a two-year span to pull away from Jeff Ward in all-time starts. To this day, Jeremy credits racing an SX-only schedule starting in ’99 as a reason why he was able to keep racing for so many years.

Weege: Good point on SX-only. It helped extend McGrath, Windham and LaRocco. When Windham won the Steel City National a few years ago, he told me afterwards that he was, “hammered.” I said, “Wow, already? The race just ended!” But he wasn't drunk (yet), he just said his back was killing him. Hard to run national-winning motocross pace when you've got this much mileage on you!

 

5.) Jeff Ward - 160

Matthes: If you had asked me where Jeff Ward stood on this list before seeing it, I would have said top three easily, but he’s only 5th. Ward had an incredibly long career but I suppose there were some injuries in there, and he didn’t race 250SX at all early in his career. I wonder if Jeff is laying there at night cursing himself for not getting in a few extra races back in the day to stay ahead of McGrath? Yeah, I don’t either.

Weege: I agree. Seemed like Ward hung around longer than anyone. And remember, this is the guy who says he once rode for 97-straight days or something! He also told me he's never been burned out on riding, ever.

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K-Dub has a chance to pass LaRocco if he is able to stay healthy over the next two seasons.
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6.) Nick Wey - 154

Matthes: Lookee here, Nick Wey sixth all-time in career premier class supercross starts! In the last decade or so, racers have made better money and taken better care of themselves, so they can race longer. Jeff Stanton and Mark Barnett both quit when they were 26 years old and now we see dudes like Wey, Larocco and Ferry go on and on. That's pretty cool, as a guy like Wey is still plenty capable of running top ten, so why not keep going? Wey’s got a few podiums in his career, yet he was only on a true factory team in 250SX for one year.

Weege: Injuries will keep Wey from getting anymore supercross starts this year, but hopefully he'll get some more in 2014.

 

7.) Chad Reed - 148

Matthes: With Wey taking the supercross season off due to injury, Reed should pass him and Jeff Ward (who’s probably not coming back—although he would probably like to) this season and end up right behind MC. Reed’s got an 80 percent podium rate in his career and that’s simply amazing.

Weege: Hmm, the industry thought Reed was done, but he started a team based around his own Honda effort and proved the doubters wrong? Hello, Mike LaRocco just called from 1998!

Matthes: Where’s the Discount Tire antenna balls?

 

8.) Jason Thomas - 127

Matthes: Say what you want about Thomas as far as his lack of wins and podiums but the sheer fact that he’s on this list and is the only guy without a factory ride at some point says a lot about the newest Racer X staff member. JT has now hung up the boots as far as USA supercrosses go but you can find him racing in Greece, Germany and God knows where else.

Weege: I think we can use this to safely say JT was the eighth best supercross racer ever. Fair?

Matthes: Seems fair to me. Stamp it.

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Nick Wey won't be able to add to his start stats in 2012, as he'll miss the entire season due to injuries suffered at Millville.
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9.) Tim Ferry - 120

Matthes: YES! Isn’t it funny that Reed, Thomas and Ferry were all weekly riding buddies? I wonder if they all looked at each other at one point and realized that they’ve all been doing this stuff for way too long? Ferry’s 250SX career didn’t start until 1998 (and he quickly blew out his knee) as he was from the era where you stayed in 125s as long as you could get paid (hello Ping!). He raced 125SX for SIX years! Give him four of those years in the premier class, carry the four, add the two and he’s in there with Big Bird and Windham. Yes, I just did some impossible math but I will soon turn it into fact inside my warped brain.

Weege: Matthes, if Timmy and O'Show are tied at 120, what was your tie-breaker?

Matthes: The tie-breaker was awesomeness. I did have to physically fight all-time O'Show fan Eric Johnson for this spot, though.

 

10.) Johnny O'Mara - 120

Matthes: O’Mara had a long, great career, and he does have a title right in the thick of one of the most stacked fields ever (1984). And he remains in the sport to this day.

Weege: Look at a picture of O'Mara and Jeff Ward and check out their boots. Dudes were wearing ballet slippers compared to today's stuff. These guys can go on and on about racing with ankle and knee injuries. And their training programs were outrageous. Did you know they would do triathlons the day after supercross races? Pure gnarliness, these guys.

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Jeff Ward sits fifth on the all-time starts list.
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11.) Ricky Carmichael - 115

Matthes: No doubt RC left some races on the table by retiring at the top, but he accomplished so much, and made so much money, that he able to walk away at a young-ish age. Giving him the credit for the 2004 SX season (he missed it due to a knee injury) would put him up there behind Reed in all-time starts.

Weege: Honestly surprised to see RC up here since he stepped out when he was still fully capable of winning races.

 

12.) Jeff Emig - 113

Matthes: A few years ago, I told 'Fro he should tell more stories from his career in today's SX telecasts. He told me, “I wasn’t really that good at supercross”. What? After I picked my jaw up off the floor, I reminded him that he actually was really good at it. He won a darned title! He also had the unfortunate luck of racing against McGrath. An injury right before the 2000 season cut 'Fro's career short, he could be much higher on this list as well. But then again, so could all the guys save for Larocco and Ward.

Weege: Also surprised to see 'Fro up here considering an injury cit him short. Had he raced 2000, he'd be be eighth all-time. He did get some bonus races in when he pointed out of the 125 class after '91, and had to run the full 250 sched in '92. There's a long and complicated story about how it all went down, which is pretty much always the case with the pointing out rules.

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LarryWitmer wrote: 10:25am December 11, 2012

Great article as always guys. But watching Mike win his last SX in '05 at the old RCA dome was as good as it gets. He had Ryder on his handlebars on the parade lap. I have been at Colts games and the cheering and the noise was just as loud as a NFL game...unreal. Glad to have watched Mike grow up from a PW and grow into a top contender...always let his results speak out instead of talking the talk. Man, that guy is
still fast. Mike Sr. and Mae (his parents) still work for Feld and still going strong.
Another side note is the first year at Lucas Dome it showed Mike on the big screen looking over the rubble of the old RCA dome and remembering his win....good stuff.

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rickamatuzio wrote: 11:02am December 11, 2012

Mike Larocco is pretty funny. I asked him what he wanted to do after he retired and he said "get freaky huge". He loved lifting weights..
I always though he was so serious, being my hero, then I saw him watching the movie BOWFINGER and he was giggling away like a kid. He was just a magnificent icon for the sport... Both Larocco and Stanton easily my favorites of all time.
I did everything mike did from gear, to bikes, to training. I wished he were still around more.

(Sadly, I pretty much helped extend his career about 4 years and never really got a thanks or anything. That hurt..but it's a business. I just didn't realize it was so cutthroat.) very disappointing... I won't be going out of my way again to help secure sponsorships I know that much.

Iron mike is still #1

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BD25 wrote: 11:16am December 11, 2012

Funny, I usually don't think of Longevity and Supercross as going together, but those guys made it work...

How ever it ends up, the top two guys are different riders, one buttery smooth, the other, tough as nails, one laid back and easy going the other serious and intimidating! It is cool the way destiny has brought them together, going out on the same team....Such a feel good story....Hollywood better get on it!!

Interesting facts brought up also, Chad's podium rate of 80% very impressive!! I wonder what MC % was? McGrath does have the advantage in winning % at 42% to Reed's 28%..MC 2 and CR 22 - 2 Greatest Supercross riders....

They say, the journeyman workers are the back bone of America, well then, Wey and Thomas are at base of the supercross spine! Their story often untold, because it lacks the flashy riding, drama or wins, but with out riders like them showing up at each venue, the stars would not have a series to shine in. Respect to them!!

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Uncle Charlie Birmingham, AL wrote: 11:17am December 11, 2012

You should of kept that Jack in the Box gig for yourself. Never pass up a fpood thing ! ImHo

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Uncle Charlie Birmingham, AL wrote: 11:20am December 11, 2012

If there ever was a Category for Journeymen the Kyle Lewis should be thrown into that equation !

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Uncle Charlie Birmingham, AL wrote: 11:21am December 11, 2012

MX +SX of course

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tonewall wrote: 12:35pm December 11, 2012

@rickm if you really wanted to help Larock you would have bought him some starts.......one of my favorite riders ever ....always comin from the back he was a master.....if he "coulda" started.., Mac would have ALOT less wins......he couldn't.

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Red54m wrote: 1:09pm December 11, 2012

Pretty Amazing record by Carmichael as well! Considering start to win ratio, I think he is right there with McGrath and by all accounts he probably left a lot of wins on the table retiring at age 27.

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MX Bob wrote: 3:25pm December 11, 2012

I remember that those SX wins were harder to come by in RC's last season, but for sure he would have got more if kept racing, maybe just not as many per season as he once did.

Outdoors, he'd probably still be winning.

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rickamatuzio wrote: 4:02pm December 11, 2012

We all assume outdoors is much more physically demanding, but I have heard from a number of pros, including mike, that they get just as tired racing Supercross. I think the tracks 20 years ago were more difficult from a fitness standpoint, and tracks today from a rhythm standpoint.

I remember 94 SX when McGrath was going as fast a he could, but Mike reeled him in every weekend. He got smoother as the years went on, an learned how to train smarter. I could only imagine how many wins he could have with decent starts.

Milville 94.. Dead last to catch John Dowd for the lead. You just don't see that anymore.. I think mike wanted to launch a missle into Suzuki during the 96 era!! That bike was miserable for those guys, and another setback.

I wouldn't doubt Mike cracking the top 10 today at a national if he worked hard. I'm sure Jeremy, Stanton, and all these guys still have speed. I also wonder with all the injuries how Laroccos body holds up, do these retired Mx racers feel like a football player 20 years later??
I saw Pastrana soaking In ice baths for inflammation. Looked like hell!

Here's to a great season for 2013.. I'm enjoying these vintage articles.

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BD25 wrote: 4:29pm December 11, 2012

Red54m... Your right on both counts! Carmichael did leave a lot of wins on the table. Ricky win percentage is 41.7 to Jeremy's 41.6, so if RC had kept racing, it is very possible he could have been right there with MC for total wins....

Which brings us to the next question: How many races has James started, his win percentage should be pretty impressive also. If Stewart has started a 100 races and won 44 he would be sitting at 44%, better than MC, RC or CR! I would venture to guess his podium percentage is not near as good as MC, RC and CR's due to JS lack of races finished over the last 3 years..

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motodog77 wrote: 4:47pm December 11, 2012

JS7 has qualified and raced in 89 450 SX main events, and won 44 of those, so he's currently at a 49.4% win ratio . . . crazy considering how many times he's taken dirt samples. Here's his win/qualify per season since entering the SX class in '05:
05: 3 races/6 wins
06: 8/16
07: 13/16 - Champ
08: 1/2
09: 11/17 - Champ
10: 1/3
11: 5/17
12: 2/11
13: TBD . . .

Hoping all stay healthy and there is a 4 way battle to Vegas . . . 25 days baby . . .

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motodog77 wrote: 4:48pm December 11, 2012

** I meant 3 wins in 6 races in '05 . . .

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rickamatuzio wrote: 5:26pm December 11, 2012

Those stats are misleading a little. There will be a day when James is racing and no longer the fastest or barely able to podium. If McGrath retired in 96 his win percentage would have been 73%. He continued racing into 2002 where he was no longer the dominant force.

I'm just saying, taking a snapshot isn't really fair. Lets see where James percentage is when he retires. Also remember the supercross schedule is longer than previous.. Lots of variables

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rickamatuzio wrote: 5:36pm December 11, 2012

I'm thinking James is going to have a fantastic season this year, he looks like one with the bike again.
It's going to be hard to beat Mcgraths record because he had a knack for staying healthy. It's impressive how well RC did, I didn't realize his numbers were so good.

All records get broken, so never say never i guess.

What do you guys think Bradshaw will finish in the poll? I bet he is top 10 for sure.. That dude was win it die trying like Stewart

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jimmy15 wrote: 6:21pm December 11, 2012

Still with the "share this article" CRAP! I count 27 strips from top to bottom. Don't you guys know that NOBODY uses this????????????

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Graz11 wrote: 8:02pm December 11, 2012

The biggest suprise was Nick Wey in sixth place didn't think he had that many starts.Wow thought Jeff Ward was in third place.

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RCRDDW wrote: 8:45am December 12, 2012

All those who want to say that MC was the King of SX please notice that, while he did win 24 more races, he had 58 more race starts and sat out MX after 99. So the GOAT raced about 3 less years (counting the 2004 year missed with injury while in his prime), he had 58 less races and he raced outdoor EVERY year. Add to this the FACT that he retired with at least another 2 or 3 years of his best racing left and I'd say that the GOAT was not only the undisputed best MX rider ever but also the best all around SX rider.

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motodog77 wrote: 1:24pm December 12, 2012

The best all around SX rider would be the guy with the most wins, doesn't matter how long it took. 48 wins is 2nd fiddle by 33%. That's like saying another SX racer that had 32 wins (RJ in 5th with 28 is nearest that number) is better all around than RC . . . he isn't, that's why RJ's 5th on the win list, RC's 2nd, and the King of Supercross is (and always will be) 1st. Anyone who attempts to think different were obviously having their diapers changed during the mid 90's, when MC was opening cans of whoopazz every Saturday nite on 19 other fast dudes, once he was out front it was over. He wouldn't make mistakes and his control was on another level. Every race since then, when RC or others have been out front, there is always the threat of disaster in the whoops to throw it away, or another racer chasing down the leader. That is the difference. Don't think for a second that RC thought he'd get to 73 if he stuck around for another 58 races.

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Cftr331b wrote: 12:29am December 15, 2012

I think if Carmichael raced the whole 2007 season and raced full time in 08 and 09. I think he might have won 1 more supercross championship and maybe 15 supercrosses at the most. Still 1 championship and about 10 wins short of McGrath. I still think McGrath is the supercross king. But I think Carmichael would have won the 07, 08, and 09 outdoor championships with about 23 more wins. Which would give him 125 outdoor wins.

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